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Getting a pontoon boat to plane
A friend of mine built a custom pontoon boat roughly 34' long with
beautiful woodwork. It is powered with a 90 hp and he claims he had the prop pitched by an expert. He attains 18 mph so he is planing some but gets very bad fuel economy, I'd estimate 1 mpg. Underway, most people sit on the foredeck so she probably is bow heavy. Is there some way to get her to plane better? He does have one of those Dol-Fin things on the motor but I think he needs more planing surface along the pontoons. |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On 11/1/10 11:15 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
A friend of mine built a custom pontoon boat roughly 34' long with beautiful woodwork. It is powered with a 90 hp and he claims he had the prop pitched by an expert. He attains 18 mph so he is planing some but gets very bad fuel economy, I'd estimate 1 mpg. Underway, most people sit on the foredeck so she probably is bow heavy. Is there some way to get her to plane better? He does have one of those Dol-Fin things on the motor but I think he needs more planing surface along the pontoons. This might do it: http://tinyurl.com/367x6pm I don't know what a custom 34' pontoon boat weighs, but I'm guessing two tons or more. That's a lotta weight and length for a 90 hp outboard to "plane better." I doubt a lower unit wing is going to make a difference. |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 08:15:54 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: He does have one of those Dol-Fin things on the motor but I think he needs more planing surface along the pontoons. How is the running attitude - level, bow down, stern down? What about the size of the wake? If he's throwing a big wake and plowing a lot of water, he may need more power to get it on top. 90 hp is not much power for a boat that size. Many guys are running 90 hp on much smaller pontoons. We have some really big pontoons around here, 50 to 60 ft, used for running tours. They usually have a pair of 200s or more. |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Nov 1, 11:15*am, Frogwatch wrote:
A friend of mine built a custom pontoon boat roughly 34' long with beautiful woodwork. *It is powered with a 90 hp and he claims he had the prop pitched by an expert. *He attains 18 mph so he is planing some but gets very bad fuel economy, I'd estimate 1 mpg. *Underway, most people sit on the foredeck so she probably is bow heavy. *Is there some way to get her to plane better? *He does have one of those Dol-Fin things on the motor but I think he needs more planing surface along the pontoons. Maybe one of these would be the ticket? http://www.pontoonwaterglide.com/index.asp Factory "performance" pontoons typically have lifting strakes which help the toon plane. In their most basic form, think of taking angle iron (a piece of L shaped metal) and welding it to each side of the toons maybe a quarter of the way up the side, giving them some flat sutface area on each side, thereby increasing the lift. That would be tough to add to an existing toon. |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Nov 1, 11:15*am, Frogwatch wrote:
A friend of mine built a custom pontoon boat roughly 34' long with beautiful woodwork. *It is powered with a 90 hp and he claims he had the prop pitched by an expert. *He attains 18 mph so he is planing some but gets very bad fuel economy, I'd estimate 1 mpg. *Underway, most people sit on the foredeck so she probably is bow heavy. *Is there some way to get her to plane better? *He does have one of those Dol-Fin things on the motor but I think he needs more planing surface along the pontoons. Wouldn't happen to be this guy, would it? http://www.pontoon.net/fusetalk/foru...VIEWTMP=Branch That's just amazing. |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Nov 1, 12:42*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 684491dd-d398-4420-9784- , says... On Nov 1, 11:15*am, Frogwatch wrote: A friend of mine built a custom pontoon boat roughly 34' long with beautiful woodwork. *It is powered with a 90 hp and he claims he had the prop pitched by an expert. *He attains 18 mph so he is planing some but gets very bad fuel economy, I'd estimate 1 mpg. *Underway, most people sit on the foredeck so she probably is bow heavy. *Is there some way to get her to plane better? *He does have one of those Dol-Fin things on the motor but I think he needs more planing surface along the pontoons. Maybe one of these would be the ticket? http://www.pontoonwaterglide.com/index.asp Factory "performance" pontoons typically have lifting strakes which help the toon plane. *In their most basic form, think of taking angle iron (a piece of L shaped metal) and welding it to each side of the toons maybe a quarter of the way up the side, giving them some flat sutface area on each side, thereby increasing the lift. *That would be tough to add to an existing toon. I like the setup someone (forget which poster) has on that fast toon... Down at the same lake as Tom iirc. Anyway, the strake is only on the inside of the outboard toons so it can get lift on takeoff and plane, but still corner like a round chine hull with no strake on the outboard edges of the toon... That's my Premier you're thinking about. It's not the fastest in a straight line, but I believe it's the most maneuverable pontoon. I can sling a kid off a tube in a heartbeat! :- |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Nov 1, 12:47*pm, Jack wrote:
On Nov 1, 12:42*pm, I am Tosk wrote: In article 684491dd-d398-4420-9784- , says... On Nov 1, 11:15*am, Frogwatch wrote: A friend of mine built a custom pontoon boat roughly 34' long with beautiful woodwork. *It is powered with a 90 hp and he claims he had the prop pitched by an expert. *He attains 18 mph so he is planing some but gets very bad fuel economy, I'd estimate 1 mpg. *Underway, most people sit on the foredeck so she probably is bow heavy. *Is there some way to get her to plane better? *He does have one of those Dol-Fin things on the motor but I think he needs more planing surface along the pontoons. Maybe one of these would be the ticket? http://www.pontoonwaterglide.com/index.asp Factory "performance" pontoons typically have lifting strakes which help the toon plane. *In their most basic form, think of taking angle iron (a piece of L shaped metal) and welding it to each side of the toons maybe a quarter of the way up the side, giving them some flat sutface area on each side, thereby increasing the lift. *That would be tough to add to an existing toon. I like the setup someone (forget which poster) has on that fast toon... Down at the same lake as Tom iirc. Anyway, the strake is only on the inside of the outboard toons so it can get lift on takeoff and plane, but still corner like a round chine hull with no strake on the outboard edges of the toon... That's my Premier you're thinking about. *It's not the fastest in a straight line, but I believe it's the most maneuverable pontoon. *I can sling a kid off a tube in a heartbeat! *:- This is in Florida. The boat seems to be almost completely level at speed. She does have "lifting strakes" but I think she needs more. She does sit too low in the water I think. I re-calced the MPG and got 1.7 mpg. I do not know the pontoon shape underwater. |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Nov 1, 10:47*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 08:15:54 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: He does have one of those Dol-Fin things on the motor but I think he needs more planing surface along the pontoons. How is the running attitude - level, bow down, stern down? *What about the size of the wake? * If he's throwing a big wake and plowing a lot of water, he may need more power to get it on top. * 90 hp is not much power for a boat that size. * Many guys are running 90 hp on much smaller pontoons. We have some really big pontoons around here, 50 to 60 ft, used for running tours. * They usually have a pair of 200s or more. I was gonna say. 90 hp on a 34' loaded w/ people on the bow end? it seems a chore for my 30' with an old 85 hp 2-stroke. But I can't imagine that rig. Mine sucks gas, too, so Frog's friend shouldn't feel too bad. Yeah, he needs twins or a conversion. |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Nov 1, 5:51*pm, W1TEF wrote:
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:36:59 -0400, HarryK wrote: On 11/1/10 11:15 AM, Frogwatch wrote: A friend of mine built a custom pontoon boat roughly 34' long with beautiful woodwork. *It is powered with a 90 hp and he claims he had the prop pitched by an expert. *He attains 18 mph so he is planing some but gets very bad fuel economy, I'd estimate 1 mpg. *Underway, most people sit on the foredeck so she probably is bow heavy. *Is there some way to get her to plane better? *He does have one of those Dol-Fin things on the motor but I think he needs more planing surface along the pontoons. This might do it: http://tinyurl.com/367x6pm I don't know what a custom 34' pontoon boat weighs, but I'm guessing two tons or more. That's a lotta weight and length for a 90 hp outboard to "plane better." I doubt a lower unit wing is going to make a difference. This would do it. http://tinyurl.com/29cbqav*:) It should.... |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Nov 2, 7:35*am, "Paul@BYC" wrote:
On 11/1/2010 10:52 PM, wrote: On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 18:38:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Nov 1, 5:51 pm, *wrote: On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:36:59 -0400, *wrote: On 11/1/10 11:15 AM, Frogwatch wrote: A friend of mine built a custom pontoon boat roughly 34' long with beautiful woodwork. *It is powered with a 90 hp and he claims he had the prop pitched by an expert. *He attains 18 mph so he is planing some but gets very bad fuel economy, I'd estimate 1 mpg. *Underway, most people sit on the foredeck so she probably is bow heavy. *Is there some way to get her to plane better? *He does have one of those Dol-Fin things on the motor but I think he needs more planing surface along the pontoons. This might do it: http://tinyurl.com/367x6pm I don't know what a custom 34' pontoon boat weighs, but I'm guessing two tons or more. That's a lotta weight and length for a 90 hp outboard to "plane better." I doubt a lower unit wing is going to make a difference. This would do it. http://tinyurl.com/29cbqav:) It should.... This is what the boys over on Pontoon forum are doing http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3386 http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3390 http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3018 http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3019 Don't see too many pontoon boats out on LI Sound. *:) They tend to be popular on inland lakes and places where the weather is warmer than LI Sound. :- |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On 11/2/10 7:52 AM, Jack wrote:
On Nov 2, 7:35 am, wrote: On 11/1/2010 10:52 PM, wrote: On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 18:38:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Nov 1, 5:51 pm, wrote: On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:36:59 -0400, wrote: On 11/1/10 11:15 AM, Frogwatch wrote: A friend of mine built a custom pontoon boat roughly 34' long with beautiful woodwork. It is powered with a 90 hp and he claims he had the prop pitched by an expert. He attains 18 mph so he is planing some but gets very bad fuel economy, I'd estimate 1 mpg. Underway, most people sit on the foredeck so she probably is bow heavy. Is there some way to get her to plane better? He does have one of those Dol-Fin things on the motor but I think he needs more planing surface along the pontoons. This might do it: http://tinyurl.com/367x6pm I don't know what a custom 34' pontoon boat weighs, but I'm guessing two tons or more. That's a lotta weight and length for a 90 hp outboard to "plane better." I doubt a lower unit wing is going to make a difference. This would do it. http://tinyurl.com/29cbqav:) It should.... This is what the boys over on Pontoon forum are doing http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3386 http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3390 http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3018 http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3019 Don't see too many pontoon boats out on LI Sound. :) They tend to be popular on inland lakes and places where the weather is warmer than LI Sound. :- I remember several warm days out on Long Island Sound when I was a Connecticut Yankee. Several, at least. |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Nov 2, 7:56*am, HarryK wrote:
On 11/2/10 7:52 AM, Jack wrote: On Nov 2, 7:35 am, *wrote: On 11/1/2010 10:52 PM, wrote: On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 18:38:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Nov 1, 5:51 pm, * *wrote: On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:36:59 -0400, * *wrote: On 11/1/10 11:15 AM, Frogwatch wrote: A friend of mine built a custom pontoon boat roughly 34' long with beautiful woodwork. *It is powered with a 90 hp and he claims he had the prop pitched by an expert. *He attains 18 mph so he is planing some but gets very bad fuel economy, I'd estimate 1 mpg. *Underway, most people sit on the foredeck so she probably is bow heavy. *Is there some way to get her to plane better? *He does have one of those Dol-Fin things on the motor but I think he needs more planing surface along the pontoons. This might do it: http://tinyurl.com/367x6pm I don't know what a custom 34' pontoon boat weighs, but I'm guessing two tons or more. That's a lotta weight and length for a 90 hp outboard to "plane better." I doubt a lower unit wing is going to make a difference. This would do it. http://tinyurl.com/29cbqav:) It should.... This is what the boys over on Pontoon forum are doing http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3386 http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3390 http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3018 http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3019 Don't see too many pontoon boats out on LI Sound. *:) They tend to be popular on inland lakes and places where the weather is warmer than LI Sound. *:- I remember several warm days out on Long Island Sound when I was a Connecticut Yankee. Several, at least. Those mods to the pontoons look interesting. Now, if he went to a larger engine and added planing strakes, could he expect better MPG or just higher speed. (fuel flow meters ought to interface with impeller knotmeters to get mpg). |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On 11/2/10 10:44 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Nov 2, 7:56 am, wrote: On 11/2/10 7:52 AM, Jack wrote: On Nov 2, 7:35 am, wrote: On 11/1/2010 10:52 PM, wrote: On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 18:38:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Nov 1, 5:51 pm, wrote: On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:36:59 -0400, wrote: On 11/1/10 11:15 AM, Frogwatch wrote: A friend of mine built a custom pontoon boat roughly 34' long with beautiful woodwork. It is powered with a 90 hp and he claims he had the prop pitched by an expert. He attains 18 mph so he is planing some but gets very bad fuel economy, I'd estimate 1 mpg. Underway, most people sit on the foredeck so she probably is bow heavy. Is there some way to get her to plane better? He does have one of those Dol-Fin things on the motor but I think he needs more planing surface along the pontoons. This might do it: http://tinyurl.com/367x6pm I don't know what a custom 34' pontoon boat weighs, but I'm guessing two tons or more. That's a lotta weight and length for a 90 hp outboard to "plane better." I doubt a lower unit wing is going to make a difference. This would do it. http://tinyurl.com/29cbqav:) It should.... This is what the boys over on Pontoon forum are doing http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3386 http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3390 http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3018 http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3019 Don't see too many pontoon boats out on LI Sound. :) They tend to be popular on inland lakes and places where the weather is warmer than LI Sound. :- I remember several warm days out on Long Island Sound when I was a Connecticut Yankee. Several, at least. Those mods to the pontoons look interesting. Now, if he went to a larger engine and added planing strakes, could he expect better MPG or just higher speed. (fuel flow meters ought to interface with impeller knotmeters to get mpg). Impeller knotmeters? Better a fuel flow meter interface with a GPS. |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:44:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: Those mods to the pontoons look interesting. Now, if he went to a larger engine and added planing strakes, could he expect better MPG or just higher speed. (fuel flow meters ought to interface with impeller knotmeters to get mpg). If you increase speed without increasing horsepower, mileage will improve. |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On 11/2/10 2:45 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:44:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: Those mods to the pontoons look interesting. Now, if he went to a larger engine and added planing strakes, could he expect better MPG or just higher speed. (fuel flow meters ought to interface with impeller knotmeters to get mpg). If you increase speed without increasing horsepower, mileage will improve. Wayne...I think the guy has "tapped" out on performance with the engine he now has. |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 18:38:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Nov 1, 5:51 pm, W1TEF wrote: On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:36:59 -0400, HarryK wrote: On 11/1/10 11:15 AM, Frogwatch wrote: A friend of mine built a custom pontoon boat roughly 34' long with beautiful woodwork. It is powered with a 90 hp and he claims he had the prop pitched by an expert. He attains 18 mph so he is planing some but gets very bad fuel economy, I'd estimate 1 mpg. Underway, most people sit on the foredeck so she probably is bow heavy. Is there some way to get her to plane better? He does have one of those Dol-Fin things on the motor but I think he needs more planing surface along the pontoons. This might do it: http://tinyurl.com/367x6pm I don't know what a custom 34' pontoon boat weighs, but I'm guessing two tons or more. That's a lotta weight and length for a 90 hp outboard to "plane better." I doubt a lower unit wing is going to make a difference. This would do it. http://tinyurl.com/29cbqav :) It should.... This is what the boys over on Pontoon forum are doing http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3386 http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3390 http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3018 http://www.pontoonforums.com/download/file.php?id=3019 I think that in a time, long long ago and far down the river, my pontoons were all shiny and pretty like that! |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 14:54:42 -0400, HarryK wrote:
On 11/2/10 2:45 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:44:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: Those mods to the pontoons look interesting. Now, if he went to a larger engine and added planing strakes, could he expect better MPG or just higher speed. (fuel flow meters ought to interface with impeller knotmeters to get mpg). If you increase speed without increasing horsepower, mileage will improve. Wayne...I think the guy has "tapped" out on performance with the engine he now has. That may be true but unless they try to get more of it out of the water with lifting strakes or similar, they won't know for sure. I'd agree that more horsepower is probably easier and cheaper but it certainly won't improve economy under most circumstances - only if it is now operating "on the hump". |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Nov 2, 10:49*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 14:54:42 -0400, HarryK wrote: On 11/2/10 2:45 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:44:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch *wrote: Those mods to the pontoons look interesting. *Now, if he went to a larger engine and added planing strakes, could he expect better MPG or just higher speed. (fuel flow meters ought to interface with impeller knotmeters to get mpg). If you increase speed without increasing horsepower, mileage will improve. Wayne...I think the guy has "tapped" out on performance with the engine he now has. That may be true but unless they try to get more of it out of the water with lifting strakes or similar, they won't know for sure. *I'd agree that more horsepower is probably easier and cheaper but it certainly won't improve economy under most circumstances - only if it is now operating "on the hump". I believe his pontoons are not big enough for the weight so he should weld planing strakes on the pontoons that are enclosed with extra floatation. OR, he could resign himself to cruising at 7 kts to save fuel. |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:13:20 -0400, Hairy Crotch wrote:
In article , says... On 11/2/10 2:45 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:44:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: Those mods to the pontoons look interesting. Now, if he went to a larger engine and added planing strakes, could he expect better MPG or just higher speed. (fuel flow meters ought to interface with impeller knotmeters to get mpg). If you increase speed without increasing horsepower, mileage will improve. Wayne...I think the guy has "tapped" out on performance with the engine he now has. Why do you think that? Another goodbye. Damn, this is a great way to cut down on the number of posts to read! -- Hope you're having a great day! John H |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Nov 3, 10:27*am, Frogwatch wrote:
On Nov 2, 10:49*pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 14:54:42 -0400, HarryK wrote: On 11/2/10 2:45 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:44:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch *wrote: Those mods to the pontoons look interesting. *Now, if he went to a larger engine and added planing strakes, could he expect better MPG or just higher speed. (fuel flow meters ought to interface with impeller knotmeters to get mpg). If you increase speed without increasing horsepower, mileage will improve. Wayne...I think the guy has "tapped" out on performance with the engine he now has. That may be true but unless they try to get more of it out of the water with lifting strakes or similar, they won't know for sure. *I'd agree that more horsepower is probably easier and cheaper but it certainly won't improve economy under most circumstances - only if it is now operating "on the hump". I believe his pontoons are not big enough for the weight so he should weld planing strakes on the pontoons that are enclosed with extra floatation. *OR, he could resign himself to cruising at 7 kts to save fuel.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Or he could get a boat that was designed to plane. I don't have much sympathy for people that get one thng and then spend a lot of time and money trying to make it work like something else. I don't care what you do to a pontoon, any ordinary go fast boat will blow it away on half the gas. |
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Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Nov 4, 3:38*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:06:23 -0400, HarryK wrote: Or he could get a *boat that was designed to plane. *I don't have much sympathy for people that get one thng and then spend a lot of time and money trying to make it work like something else. *I don't care what you do to a pontoon, any ordinary go fast boat will blow it away on half the gas. I have a pontoon and I agree with you. This is not supposed to be a speed demon. I like mine because it is a very shallow draft boat with lots of deck space and very low maintenance, Most pontooners have a deck full of furniture and end up with a high maintenance boat you can barely walk around in. They then want it to perform like a bass boat so they end up putting huge engines on them. The one that really makes me laugh is they also polish the toons to a mirror like finish. I can't get them to say what percentage of the time they spend using the boat vs working on their boat in the driveway. In that regard, fuel consumption is probably not that big a deal. They only run them 20 or 30 hours a year. That is about a month for me and we are not getting out as much as we used to. The few I have seen out on the river here don't seem to "corner" too quickly...and they seem to need a really wide area while on plane in order to make a tight turn. Or maybe it's just an optical illusion. Mine turns pretty quickly but I don't really go that fast. I assume if you have strakes and a huge motor you could get pretty squirrly in a turn but bass boats can have the same problem. Again, for the 47th time, here's what a properly designed pontoon can do. Mine is like the white one with the red stripe with the two bucket seats up front. :- http://www.pontoons.com/ptx_performa...vantage_video/ |
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On Nov 4, 8:53*pm, Gene wrote:
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 17:27:27 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: On Nov 4, 3:38*pm, wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:06:23 -0400, HarryK wrote: Or he could get a *boat that was designed to plane. *I don't have much sympathy for people that get one thng and then spend a lot of time and money trying to make it work like something else. *I don't care what you do to a pontoon, any ordinary go fast boat will blow it away on half the gas. I have a pontoon and I agree with you. This is not supposed to be a speed demon. I like mine because it is a very shallow draft boat with lots of deck space and very low maintenance, Most pontooners have a deck full of furniture and end up with a high maintenance boat you can barely walk around in. They then want it to perform like a bass boat so they end up putting huge engines on them. The one that really makes me laugh is they also polish the toons to a mirror like finish. I can't get them to say what percentage of the time they spend using the boat vs working on their boat in the driveway. In that regard, fuel consumption is probably not that big a deal. They only run them 20 or 30 hours a year. That is about a month for me and we are not getting out as much as we used to. The few I have seen out on the river here don't seem to "corner" too quickly...and they seem to need a really wide area while on plane in order to make a tight turn. Or maybe it's just an optical illusion. Mine turns pretty quickly but I don't really go that fast. I assume if you have strakes and a huge motor you could get pretty squirrly in a turn but bass boats can have the same problem. Again, for the 47th time, here's what a properly designed pontoon can do. *Mine is like the white one with the red stripe with the two bucket seats up front. *:- http://www.pontoons.com/ptx_performa...vantage_video/ A rose by any other name.... it is a new take on the old cathedral hull..... Not quite... Have you ever ridden in a Premier? That's like saying every V-hull boat is just like every other V-hull. Which, of course, we all know isn't true. |
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On 11/4/2010 8:27 PM, Jack wrote:
On Nov 4, 3:38 pm, wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:06:23 -0400, wrote: Or he could get a boat that was designed to plane. I don't have much sympathy for people that get one thng and then spend a lot of time and money trying to make it work like something else. I don't care what you do to a pontoon, any ordinary go fast boat will blow it away on half the gas. I have a pontoon and I agree with you. This is not supposed to be a speed demon. I like mine because it is a very shallow draft boat with lots of deck space and very low maintenance, Most pontooners have a deck full of furniture and end up with a high maintenance boat you can barely walk around in. They then want it to perform like a bass boat so they end up putting huge engines on them. The one that really makes me laugh is they also polish the toons to a mirror like finish. I can't get them to say what percentage of the time they spend using the boat vs working on their boat in the driveway. In that regard, fuel consumption is probably not that big a deal. They only run them 20 or 30 hours a year. That is about a month for me and we are not getting out as much as we used to. The few I have seen out on the river here don't seem to "corner" too quickly...and they seem to need a really wide area while on plane in order to make a tight turn. Or maybe it's just an optical illusion. Mine turns pretty quickly but I don't really go that fast. I assume if you have strakes and a huge motor you could get pretty squirrly in a turn but bass boats can have the same problem. Again, for the 47th time, here's what a properly designed pontoon can do. Mine is like the white one with the red stripe with the two bucket seats up front. :- http://www.pontoons.com/ptx_performa...vantage_video/ I can see the practicality of such a boat, but they sure aren't pretty! :) |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On 11/4/2010 10:19 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 18:03:08 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Nov 4, 8:53 pm, wrote: On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 17:27:27 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Nov 4, 3:38 pm, wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:06:23 -0400, wrote: Or he could get a boat that was designed to plane. I don't have much sympathy for people that get one thng and then spend a lot of time and money trying to make it work like something else. I don't care what you do to a pontoon, any ordinary go fast boat will blow it away on half the gas. I have a pontoon and I agree with you. This is not supposed to be a speed demon. I like mine because it is a very shallow draft boat with lots of deck space and very low maintenance, Most pontooners have a deck full of furniture and end up with a high maintenance boat you can barely walk around in. They then want it to perform like a bass boat so they end up putting huge engines on them. The one that really makes me laugh is they also polish the toons to a mirror like finish. I can't get them to say what percentage of the time they spend using the boat vs working on their boat in the driveway. In that regard, fuel consumption is probably not that big a deal. They only run them 20 or 30 hours a year. That is about a month for me and we are not getting out as much as we used to. The few I have seen out on the river here don't seem to "corner" too quickly...and they seem to need a really wide area while on plane in order to make a tight turn. Or maybe it's just an optical illusion. Mine turns pretty quickly but I don't really go that fast. I assume if you have strakes and a huge motor you could get pretty squirrly in a turn but bass boats can have the same problem. Again, for the 47th time, here's what a properly designed pontoon can do. Mine is like the white one with the red stripe with the two bucket seats up front. :- http://www.pontoons.com/ptx_performa...vantage_video/ A rose by any other name.... it is a new take on the old cathedral hull..... Not quite... Have you ever ridden in a Premier? That's like saying every V-hull boat is just like every other V-hull. Which, of course, we all know isn't true. Glad I don't have a dog in this fight ;-) http://gfretwell.com/electrical/The%20Butt%20Ugly.jpg Now that looks like every pontoon boat I've ever seen, though I haven't seen many. |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 17:27:27 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote:
On Nov 4, 3:38*pm, wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:06:23 -0400, HarryK wrote: Or he could get a *boat that was designed to plane. *I don't have much sympathy for people that get one thng and then spend a lot of time and money trying to make it work like something else. *I don't care what you do to a pontoon, any ordinary go fast boat will blow it away on half the gas. I have a pontoon and I agree with you. This is not supposed to be a speed demon. I like mine because it is a very shallow draft boat with lots of deck space and very low maintenance, Most pontooners have a deck full of furniture and end up with a high maintenance boat you can barely walk around in. They then want it to perform like a bass boat so they end up putting huge engines on them. The one that really makes me laugh is they also polish the toons to a mirror like finish. I can't get them to say what percentage of the time they spend using the boat vs working on their boat in the driveway. In that regard, fuel consumption is probably not that big a deal. They only run them 20 or 30 hours a year. That is about a month for me and we are not getting out as much as we used to. The few I have seen out on the river here don't seem to "corner" too quickly...and they seem to need a really wide area while on plane in order to make a tight turn. Or maybe it's just an optical illusion. Mine turns pretty quickly but I don't really go that fast. I assume if you have strakes and a huge motor you could get pretty squirrly in a turn but bass boats can have the same problem. Again, for the 47th time, here's what a properly designed pontoon can do. Mine is like the white one with the red stripe with the two bucket seats up front. :- http://www.pontoons.com/ptx_performa...vantage_video/ That is a fine looking boat. I'm astonished at the maneuravibility of the thing. It wouldn 't do on the Chesapeake, but it would be great on Lake Anna. -- Hope you're having a great day! John H |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Nov 4, 10:19*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 18:03:08 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: On Nov 4, 8:53 pm, Gene wrote: On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 17:27:27 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: On Nov 4, 3:38 pm, wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:06:23 -0400, HarryK wrote: Or he could get a boat that was designed to plane. I don't have much sympathy for people that get one thng and then spend a lot of time and money trying to make it work like something else. I don't care what you do to a pontoon, any ordinary go fast boat will blow it away on half the gas. I have a pontoon and I agree with you. This is not supposed to be a speed demon. I like mine because it is a very shallow draft boat with lots of deck space and very low maintenance, Most pontooners have a deck full of furniture and end up with a high maintenance boat you can barely walk around in. They then want it to perform like a bass boat so they end up putting huge engines on them. The one that really makes me laugh is they also polish the toons to a mirror like finish. I can't get them to say what percentage of the time they spend using the boat vs working on their boat in the driveway. In that regard, fuel consumption is probably not that big a deal. They only run them 20 or 30 hours a year. That is about a month for me and we are not getting out as much as we used to. The few I have seen out on the river here don't seem to "corner" too quickly...and they seem to need a really wide area while on plane in order to make a tight turn. Or maybe it's just an optical illusion.. Mine turns pretty quickly but I don't really go that fast. I assume if you have strakes and a huge motor you could get pretty squirrly in a turn but bass boats can have the same problem. Again, for the 47th time, here's what a properly designed pontoon can do. Mine is like the white one with the red stripe with the two bucket seats up front. :- http://www.pontoons.com/ptx_performa...vantage_video/ A rose by any other name.... it is a new take on the old cathedral hull..... Not quite... Have you ever ridden in a Premier? *That's like saying every V-hull boat is just like every other V-hull. Which, of course, we all know isn't true. Glad I don't have a dog in this fight *;-) http://gfretwell.com/electrical/The%20Butt%20Ugly.jpg After re-reading my posts, I seemed a little... abrupt. Didn't mean to. :-) Cathedral hulls were OK on smooth water, but would beat you to death with even mild waves or chop. Pontoons, even the tritoons with strakes and such, have a very smooth ride through the rough stuff. Until the wave height starts impacting the bow, it's the best ride on the water. Of course they have their limitations. And while having a fast pontoon can be useful at times, it's not that practical in the long run. No one really wants to sit there in a 40+ mph wind for long. Greg, it looks like you have the ideal boat for sneaking around those backwater mangroves. That sounds like fun! |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Nov 4, 7:49*pm, L G wrote:
wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:06:23 -0400, *wrote: Or he could get a *boat that was designed to plane. *I don't have much sympathy for people that get one thng and then spend a lot of time and money trying to make it work like something else. *I don't care what you do to a pontoon, any ordinary go fast boat will blow it away on half the gas. I have a pontoon and I agree with you. This is not supposed to be a speed demon. I like mine because it is a very shallow draft boat with lots of deck space and very low maintenance, Most pontooners have a deck full of furniture and end up with a high maintenance boat you can barely walk around in. They then want it to perform like a bass boat so they end up putting huge engines on them. The one that really makes me laugh is they also polish the toons to a mirror like finish. I can't get them to say what percentage of the time they spend using the boat vs working on their boat in the driveway. In that regard, fuel consumption is probably not that big a deal. They only run them 20 or 30 hours a year. That is about a month for me and we are not getting out as much as we used to. The few I have seen out on the river here don't seem to "corner" too quickly...and they seem to need a really wide area while on plane in order to make a tight turn. Or maybe it's just an optical illusion. Mine turns pretty quickly but I don't really go that fast. I assume if you have strakes and a huge motor you could get pretty squirrly in a turn but bass boats can have the same problem. My mod-V bass boat slides in the turns. *It stays flat, much like a pontoon. *I just have to slow down for a sharp turn. It figures you'd own a faggot billy bob special....LMAO !!!!!!! |
Getting a pontoon boat to plane
On Nov 4, 8:27*pm, Jack wrote:
On Nov 4, 3:38*pm, wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:06:23 -0400, HarryK wrote: Or he could get a *boat that was designed to plane. *I don't have much sympathy for people that get one thng and then spend a lot of time and money trying to make it work like something else. *I don't care what you do to a pontoon, any ordinary go fast boat will blow it away on half the gas. I have a pontoon and I agree with you. This is not supposed to be a speed demon. I like mine because it is a very shallow draft boat with lots of deck space and very low maintenance, Most pontooners have a deck full of furniture and end up with a high maintenance boat you can barely walk around in. They then want it to perform like a bass boat so they end up putting huge engines on them. The one that really makes me laugh is they also polish the toons to a mirror like finish. I can't get them to say what percentage of the time they spend using the boat vs working on their boat in the driveway. In that regard, fuel consumption is probably not that big a deal. They only run them 20 or 30 hours a year. That is about a month for me and we are not getting out as much as we used to. The few I have seen out on the river here don't seem to "corner" too quickly...and they seem to need a really wide area while on plane in order to make a tight turn. Or maybe it's just an optical illusion. Mine turns pretty quickly but I don't really go that fast. I assume if you have strakes and a huge motor you could get pretty squirrly in a turn but bass boats can have the same problem. Again, for the 47th time, here's what a properly designed pontoon can do. *Mine is like the white one with the red stripe with the two bucket seats up front. *:- http://www.pontoons.com/ptx_performa...vantage_video/ Only good for small Lakes. Rough weather would be ****ed on that junk. |
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