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On Oct 27, 3:12*pm, John H wrote:
Hope you're having a great day! John H Hope you're having an excellent weekend, John! |
Youse guys must be rich
On 10/30/10 7:16 PM, Tim wrote:
On Oct 27, 3:12 pm, John wrote: Hope you're having a great day! John H Hope you're having an excellent weekend, John! You need something faster than that 300-bps modem, Tim...that post from herring is three days old. :) Perhaps 1200-bps? |
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On Oct 30, 6:20*pm, Secular Humouresque wrote:
On 10/30/10 7:16 PM, Tim wrote: On Oct 27, 3:12 pm, John *wrote: Hope you're having a great day! John H Hope you're having an excellent weekend, John! You need something faster than that 300-bps modem, Tim...that post from herring is three days old. *:) Perhaps 1200-bps? LOL! Oh, I know, but still it's a good thought. ?;^ ) |
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On 10/31/2010 9:19 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says... My bozo bin includes: Tosk Justwait Herring BAR Harry? Canuck Jack Three pontoons Larry and his every-three-week ID change for the past 2 years GC Boater jp christian insurance salesman ...among others Most of these bozos post under several ID's, so I plonk 'em as they come up. Unfortunately, I see their drivel if someone responds to them. You are a liar. Hmmm. And you would be? |
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"Paul@BYC" wrote in message
... On 10/31/2010 9:19 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... My bozo bin includes: Tosk Justwait Herring BAR Harry? Canuck Jack Three pontoons Larry and his every-three-week ID change for the past 2 years GC Boater jp christian insurance salesman ...among others Most of these bozos post under several ID's, so I plonk 'em as they come up. Unfortunately, I see their drivel if someone responds to them. You are a liar. Hmmm. And you would be? All the above would fit nicely in your bozo bin. Don'tcha think? |
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On 10/31/10 12:56 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:20:25 -0700, wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:52:03 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 07:43:04 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:55:26 -0400, wrote: Most of the profit is in marking up chinese goods and selling them. We still do not make much here anymore. There are some notable exceptions however including your old employer, IBM. One of the things that stood out on our recent European trip is the large amount of new looking John Deere and Caterpillar equipment that is being used over there. Both of them are obviously doing something right. IBM doesn't make much here. They are very profitable because they sell offshore equipment at premium prices and broker offshore technical assistance. They make heavy use of contractors and business partners here in the US. They are hiring because they have laid off or retired all of the higher paid employees. My only warning to kids taking those jobs, is watch your back. When would that not be the case? Hardly anyone stays at a company to retirement any more, but that's been the case for a while now. That is usually not by choice. We need to separate non-disability retirement from employment by making the former portable. Your employer contributes to a fund, and so do you, and when you move on, all the funds stay with you. Get rid of the concept of "vesting" with a particular employer. 401-k's don't actually do this, and neither do IRA's. Another discussion would be what happens to those retirement funds. We need options other than what the Wall Street casinos offer. Many unionized construction workers have portable, controllable pensions. It's entirely their money and when they move from one signatory employer to another, the "retirement" portion of their earnings can be credited to the retirement account at their home local or to their international's retirement plan, if it has one. It's a good model for health care, too, until we really have universal health care coverage. |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:55:19 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:19:29 -0700, wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 07:43:04 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:55:26 -0400, wrote: Most of the profit is in marking up chinese goods and selling them. We still do not make much here anymore. There are some notable exceptions however including your old employer, IBM. One of the things that stood out on our recent European trip is the large amount of new looking John Deere and Caterpillar equipment that is being used over there. Both of them are obviously doing something right. We've got exports up quite a bit, since the dollar has fallen. That's the reason why it's not so Obama or white (sorry, couldn't help it) that a falling (or rising dollar) is good or bad. It's a mixed bag. Cat is actually building plants in China so this is not as cut and dried as you would think. There is also a deal in the works for GM to build cars in China. Chinese love Buicks evidently. It is the highest selling car there. Please show me where I said it was "cut and dried." I said, "it's a mixed bag." I stand by that statement. |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:52:32 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:17:52 -0700, wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:55:26 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:07:36 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:03:37 -0400, wrote: The fact remains the US was the engine of democracy and the growth leader of the world in these times The fact remains that we still are. Our economy is improving, big corporations are making record profits, but it's going to take a while to recover from all the years of bs. The "record profits" do not seem to be trickling down to the workers (Bob help me out here) Most of the profit is in marking up chinese goods and selling them. We still do not make much here anymore. So, the gov't is to blame because corps are hoarding cash and trying to influence the election, so that more Republicans can get elected, who will gut the regulations. Please cite the profit numbers. Exxon/Mobile is making huge profits right now. I don't think they're marking up Chinese goods. Exxon is making money because world energy profits are up. China is the #2 user of energy (maybe even #1) So, we shouldn't sell to China? Exxon is a US-based company I believe. You will have to fight this out with Bob. He certainly thinks you are wrong ... but you are likely also in the top 5% Yes, admittedly I'm in the top few percent... certainly not mega rich, but I can't complain. I don't mind paying a bit more in taxes either. By your standards I am poor but I also think taxes are too low right now. Certainly I don't want to send any more money to Washington but they will spend the money anyway. It is better not to foist it on our kids. Huh? This nonsense about the deficit is out of control. Sure, it's a problem, but certainly not a fatal one. As for environmental laws. under our current law, there would have been no Hoover Dam, the LA water system and hence the development of most of Southern and central California. There would also not have been a TVA, and that probably meant no atom bomb. So, we should go back and keep on polluting? That's going to make us great again? We only have to look at the super fund sites to see what industries would not exist with current laws. That may have been horrible environmentally but it was the opportunity that let us dominate in technology. And, again... you want us to dominate what exactly? How about we actually get our collective sh*t together, which means getting our sh*t cleaned up, and actually competing through intellect . I don't think we ever really competed on intellect. We were just very good at bringing products to market cheaply and quickly. They were seldom the best product, nor were they particularly innovative, we just made a lot of them. Huh? We have more Nobels than any other country and we're ranked 11th out of 40 per capita. So what? That is just intellectuals patting each other on the back. It has very little to do with the average working person. There is no Nobel Prize for creating jobs. You claimed we don't compete nor have competed on intellect. When I cited actual numbers, you claimed it has nothing to do with the "average person" or for "creating jobs." That's a total non-sequitur. The Nobel Prize has very little to do with the average worker. I bet 99% of them can't even name more than one current prize winner in any category. Again, this has nothing to do with your original claim. Sounds anti-intellectual to me. What would you rather have, a 58 Chevy or a 58 Mercedes Benz? Depends on it's condition of course. I imagine that there would be some 58 Chevys that are worth quite a bit. In the same condition, the Benz is worth a lot more What if I don't like the look of the Benz? What if I like the look of the Chevy? It was a trick question, nobody liked the look of a 58 chevy ;-) LOL As for personal freedom, we did not have the woman's right to chose, civil rights, the EPA, OSHA, CPSC and other things the chinese lack. Yet we do now. So, you're saying that a woman's right to VOTE or Choose or be a full citizen was required to be competitive? You're claiming we should scrap OSHA and the EPA for the sake of competing with the Chinese?? I agree we do not want to go back to the bad old days but that also means we will lose significant market share. China is not going to dominate the solar PV market because they make the best solar collector. They will dominate because they make the cheapest one. You can have a 100% market share of the buggy whip industry and still lose. Are you saying solar technology is a buggy whip business? What I said, poorly, is that cheapest isn't always best... nor is market share the end all and be all of business success. It has been the best business model for the last 2 decades. Walmart is the nations most successful retailer, McDonalds is the most successful restaurant and most of our electronics come from China. Ummm... 2 decades is a pretty short time frame. Maybe you want to rephrase. The fact is, the first company to actually produce that mythical dollar a watt solar collector is going to rule the world. That is about where solar actually starts to make sense. http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...r-wind/4306443 I guess we're the ruling country. Let's see if they can deliver that panel for a buck, It's your claim that producing a panel for that cost is a ruling event. Cheaper isn't always better. Example: McDs. And, it's not even clear that cheaper is actually cheaper in the long run. Humm, lets see. Ruth's Chris Steak house stock was $20 in 2007 it is $5 now McDonalds was $40 in 2007 it is $70 now. Maybe cheaper is better. As long as you don't factor in health... I doubt there is much difference between a steak and a burger, health wise. It's all about fat content. Pick the right steak and the wrong burger (e.g., McDs) and there's a big difference. Yet Bob says those were the last days that the middle class actually got a raise. (pre 1973) I don't know what Bob said. He said just what I said. The US Middle Class has not had a raise since 1973 ... and he said it 30 times or more here. Take it up with Bob. I am not his savior. It is a statistic that is all over liberal TV, I know you have heard it. A statistic? There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. :) I know you liberals are fast and loose with statistics. Bob was quoting Andrew Sullivan. I'm not a liberal except socially. Andrew Sullivan isn't a liberal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Sullivan |
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