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On 10/24/2010 9:12 AM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 08:57:57 -0400, wrote:

On 10/23/2010 7:49 PM, A.Boater wrote:
On 23-Oct-2010, wrote:

There are far fewer boating-related posts here than I imagined, and
that's for sure. Wouldn't it be great if some of the remaining posters
just bit the bullet and tried to be more agreeable? Especially those who
are boaters. I don't know who is and who isn't, but there seems to be at
least a few here whose only interest is stirring up the pot and
insulting other posters.

Paul, you know what is and isn't here; I know who you are.

But, since we are having this dance, certainly it would be better if people
were more agreeable. But, what would they agree about? They don't boat
anymore, so there won't be any "Your Bayliner sucks" or "Chain Rodes Rip Out
Cleats" or "What is the best boat" threads. So, what do they talk about?
Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Hate. Racism. Politics. Creeping Socialism.
Liberals. NeoCons. This is all about people that have huge vacuous spaces in
their lives and the drama that you read here on a daily basis is their
artificial fix of passion that makes life bearable.

Years ago, the anonymous Smithers threw the gauntlet down and now it has
fallen so far out of reach, it can't be recalled. Not even a nice-guy-newbie
is going to fix the mess that was artificially created.

I'd like to bring "the answer" to this. When faced with a problem, I
generally try to offer a solution along with the acknowledgement of the
problem. I just don't have one. I don't know if there is one.

Take this away, there will be nothing different until this newsgroup is
again filled with actual boaters.


It seems to me that the remaining boaters here could try to keep posts
on topic or at least close to on topic, and ask those who seem unable to
control themselves to try a little harder to behave like reasonable
adults. It wouldn't hurt anyone to give it a try. After all, what is
there to lose by being reasonable?

One can discuss politics as it affects boating. Here's an example: I
don't know much about the government's budget for updating charts. I
know I have encountered sandy and rocky shoals near the shorelines of
Long Island Sound that are not indicated in any way on any of charts I
have seen. Is it a political decision to not spend money on surveying
the waterways? Is this common elsewhere? Who is in charge, politically,
and what can be done about it?

I don't know the Smithers whom you refer to and I probably wouldn't care
to.

A discussion about "chain rodes rip out cleats" would be on topic and
possibly very funny!

I'd go along with the idea of 'no politics', 'no religion', and 'no personal
attacks'. To say 'politics as it affects boating' is OK is simply asking for
political fights. The answer to your question, for example, is, "Obama is in
charge, and he doesn't give a rat's ass about your problems in the waterways
unless it will get votes for Democrats in the next election."

See what I mean?

Sure. Good point, though a "reasonable boater" would know that the
ignoring of our waterways has been going on for decades and is due to
bipartisan neglect and has nothing to do with the boater voting bloc,
which is pretty small and relatively powerless.

I certainly agree with "no politics," "no religion," "no personal
insults" and would add "no ID spoofing," either. Our credo should be:
"Here's to swimmin' with bowlegged wimmin!"

It should be easy to see who wants a better, more fun and topical
newsgroup and who does not.

It's cloudy and cool now. I might bike down to the boat and putter
around a bit. It's a good bike ride.

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On 10/24/2010 10:10 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On 10/23/2010 7:49 PM, A.Boater wrote:
On 23-Oct-2010, wrote:

There are far fewer boating-related posts here than I imagined, and
that's for sure. Wouldn't it be great if some of the remaining posters
just bit the bullet and tried to be more agreeable? Especially those who
are boaters. I don't know who is and who isn't, but there seems to be at
least a few here whose only interest is stirring up the pot and
insulting other posters.

Paul, you know what is and isn't here; I know who you are.

But, since we are having this dance, certainly it would be better if people
were more agreeable. But, what would they agree about? They don't boat
anymore, so there won't be any "Your Bayliner sucks" or "Chain Rodes Rip Out
Cleats" or "What is the best boat" threads. So, what do they talk about?
Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Hate. Racism. Politics. Creeping Socialism.
Liberals. NeoCons. This is all about people that have huge vacuous spaces in
their lives and the drama that you read here on a daily basis is their
artificial fix of passion that makes life bearable.

Years ago, the anonymous Smithers threw the gauntlet down and now it has
fallen so far out of reach, it can't be recalled. Not even a nice-guy-newbie
is going to fix the mess that was artificially created.

I'd like to bring "the answer" to this. When faced with a problem, I
generally try to offer a solution along with the acknowledgement of the
problem. I just don't have one. I don't know if there is one.

Take this away, there will be nothing different until this newsgroup is
again filled with actual boaters.


It seems to me that the remaining boaters here could try to keep posts
on topic or at least close to on topic, and ask those who seem unable to
control themselves to try a little harder to behave like reasonable
adults. It wouldn't hurt anyone to give it a try. After all, what is
there to lose by being reasonable?

One can discuss politics as it affects boating. Here's an example: I
don't know much about the government's budget for updating charts. I
know I have encountered sandy and rocky shoals near the shorelines of
Long Island Sound that are not indicated in any way on any of charts I
have seen. Is it a political decision to not spend money on surveying
the waterways? Is this common elsewhere? Who is in charge, politically,
and what can be done about it?

I don't know the Smithers whom you refer to and I probably wouldn't care
to.

A discussion about "chain rodes rip out cleats" would be on topic and
possibly very funny!

Smithers is not the problem here. Stick around, or just look who has
attacked your post and my posts so far and you got your problem... Like
I said before, we can try all we wish, the troll of rec.boats will be
heard no matter what he has to do. It's a history of over a decade, but
give it your best shot;) Most of us are up for it.



Since yesterday, I have noticed repetitive "troll" posts from a handful
of users:

Harry with a "registration" mark.
someone called etc
Secular Humoresque
Someone posting as Dr. Dr. Dr.

I don't know if I have the spelling of their handles correct.

Just about everyone else seems to be reasonable, so far.

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On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 06:14:26 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

A discussion about "chain rodes rip out cleats" would be on topic and
possibly very funny!

Probably , that is as long as it's someone else's boat.

Well I'm here to tell you that they don't rip out cleats, not if
rigged with a properly sized snubber line and hook.

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On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 06:34:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Oct 24, 8:20*am, John H wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 06:14:26 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Oct 24, 7:57*am, "Paul@BYC" wrote:

A discussion about "chain rodes rip out cleats" would be on topic and
possibly very funny!

Probably , that is as long as it's someone else's boat.

Good mornin', Tim.

I'm off to get my boat. Sandy and I are going up to the Georgetown Starbucks for
a cup of coffee.

Have a spectacular day!
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.


Have fun, John.!

Well, this is what I get for a fast decision to go boating. Usually I pick the
boat up the night before and check the battery, etc. Today I just hooked up the
boat, drove to the ramp north of the airport, launched the boat, and hit the
starter.....nothing. ****!!!

So, I'm back home, battery is on the charger, and we're waiting for it to get
charged. Hell, even the hot shot didn't have enough juice to crank the engine.

Oh well, live and learn - not to take shortcuts.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

What is worse
 

On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 13:06:16 -0400, John H
wrote:

Well, this is what I get for a fast decision to go boating. Usually I pick the
boat up the night before and check the battery, etc. Today I just hooked up the
boat, drove to the ramp north of the airport, launched the boat, and hit the
starter.....nothing. ****!!!

So, I'm back home, battery is on the charger, and we're waiting for it to get
charged. Hell, even the hot shot didn't have enough juice to crank the engine.

Oh well, live and learn - not to take shortcuts.

Might be time for a new battery assuming that you left it with
everything switched off. It should really stay up better than that.

What is worse
 

On 10/24/2010 1:06 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 06:34:14 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Oct 24, 8:20 am, John wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 06:14:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Oct 24, 7:57 am, wrote:

A discussion about "chain rodes rip out cleats" would be on topic and
possibly very funny!

Probably , that is as long as it's someone else's boat.

Good mornin', Tim.

I'm off to get my boat. Sandy and I are going up to the Georgetown Starbucks for
a cup of coffee.

Have a spectacular day!
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.


Have fun, John.!

Well, this is what I get for a fast decision to go boating. Usually I pick the
boat up the night before and check the battery, etc. Today I just hooked up the
boat, drove to the ramp north of the airport, launched the boat, and hit the
starter.....nothing. ****!!!

So, I'm back home, battery is on the charger, and we're waiting for it to get
charged. Hell, even the hot shot didn't have enough juice to crank the engine.

Oh well, live and learn - not to take shortcuts.


From your post I am guessing you just have the single battery. Maybe
you should double up and if you don't have one get a good battery
switch, too.

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On 10/24/2010 10:56 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On 10/24/2010 10:10 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On 10/23/2010 7:49 PM, A.Boater wrote:
On 23-Oct-2010, wrote:

There are far fewer boating-related posts here than I imagined, and
that's for sure. Wouldn't it be great if some of the remaining posters
just bit the bullet and tried to be more agreeable? Especially those who
are boaters. I don't know who is and who isn't, but there seems to be at
least a few here whose only interest is stirring up the pot and
insulting other posters.

Paul, you know what is and isn't here; I know who you are.

But, since we are having this dance, certainly it would be better if people
were more agreeable. But, what would they agree about? They don't boat
anymore, so there won't be any "Your Bayliner sucks" or "Chain Rodes Rip Out
Cleats" or "What is the best boat" threads. So, what do they talk about?
Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Hate. Racism. Politics. Creeping Socialism.
Liberals. NeoCons. This is all about people that have huge vacuous spaces in
their lives and the drama that you read here on a daily basis is their
artificial fix of passion that makes life bearable.

Years ago, the anonymous Smithers threw the gauntlet down and now it has
fallen so far out of reach, it can't be recalled. Not even a nice-guy-newbie
is going to fix the mess that was artificially created.

I'd like to bring "the answer" to this. When faced with a problem, I
generally try to offer a solution along with the acknowledgement of the
problem. I just don't have one. I don't know if there is one.

Take this away, there will be nothing different until this newsgroup is
again filled with actual boaters.


It seems to me that the remaining boaters here could try to keep posts
on topic or at least close to on topic, and ask those who seem unable to
control themselves to try a little harder to behave like reasonable
adults. It wouldn't hurt anyone to give it a try. After all, what is
there to lose by being reasonable?

One can discuss politics as it affects boating. Here's an example: I
don't know much about the government's budget for updating charts. I
know I have encountered sandy and rocky shoals near the shorelines of
Long Island Sound that are not indicated in any way on any of charts I
have seen. Is it a political decision to not spend money on surveying
the waterways? Is this common elsewhere? Who is in charge, politically,
and what can be done about it?

I don't know the Smithers whom you refer to and I probably wouldn't care
to.

A discussion about "chain rodes rip out cleats" would be on topic and
possibly very funny!

Smithers is not the problem here. Stick around, or just look who has
attacked your post and my posts so far and you got your problem... Like
I said before, we can try all we wish, the troll of rec.boats will be
heard no matter what he has to do. It's a history of over a decade, but
give it your best shot;) Most of us are up for it.



Since yesterday, I have noticed repetitive "troll" posts from a handful
of users:

Harry with a "registration" mark.
someone called etc
Secular Humoresque
Someone posting as Dr. Dr. Dr.

I don't know if I have the spelling of their handles correct.

Just about everyone else seems to be reasonable, so far.

Yeah, there's a pretty good start... You will find two more as time goes
on, they seem to have been keeping on the downlow since you showed up.
There is a looooooong history here that so far most of us have spared
you, but it's all out there. Quite frankly, I hope you turn out to be a
real poster, and not another one of our most prolific posters'
sockpuppets, At the same time, we have been disappointed before;)

Either way, I say, keep up the good work. It's nice to be able to post
with out etc and Secular Humorist jumping all over it. You see, neither
of them think my boat is enough of a boat to qualify as a boat;) The
other two guys are soldiers in the same war as the rest of us, just
shooting from another hill top;)

Cheers Scotty







A boat is a boat.

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On Oct 24, 11:29*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 06:14:26 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

A discussion about "chain rodes rip out cleats" would be on topic and
possibly very funny!

Probably , that is as long as it's someone else's boat.

Well I'm here to tell you that they don't rip out cleats, not if
rigged with a properly sized snubber line and hook.

And as long as the cleats arn't mounted in dry rotted wood.

What is worse
 

On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 13:26:55 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 13:06:16 -0400, John H
wrote:

Well, this is what I get for a fast decision to go boating. Usually I pick the
boat up the night before and check the battery, etc. Today I just hooked up the
boat, drove to the ramp north of the airport, launched the boat, and hit the
starter.....nothing. ****!!!

So, I'm back home, battery is on the charger, and we're waiting for it to get
charged. Hell, even the hot shot didn't have enough juice to crank the engine.

Oh well, live and learn - not to take shortcuts.

Might be time for a new battery assuming that you left it with
everything switched off. It should really stay up better than that.

No, the navigation light switch was on. The battery had discharged to 8%.

Dumb. I paid to have the battery on/off switch installed, but then, like a
dumbass, I forgot to l use the damn thing.

Disgusted. Dejected. Etc.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

What is worse
 

On Oct 24, 2:16*pm, John H wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 13:26:55 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 13:06:16 -0400, John H
wrote:

Well, this is what I get for a fast decision to go boating. Usually I pick the
boat up the night before and check the battery, etc. Today I just hooked up the
boat, drove to the ramp north of the airport, launched the boat, and hit the
starter.....nothing. ****!!!

So, I'm back home, battery is on the charger, and we're waiting for it to get
charged. Hell, even the hot shot didn't have enough juice to crank the engine.

Oh well, live and learn - not to take shortcuts.

Might be time for a new battery assuming that you left it with
everything switched off. * It should really stay up better than that.

No, the navigation light switch was on. The battery had discharged to 8%.

Dumb. I paid to have the battery on/off switch installed, but then, like a
dumbass, I forgot to l use the damn thing.

Disgusted. Dejected. Etc.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

Don't feel bad, John. Chances are that's the last time it'll happen.