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Tim October 14th 10 11:17 PM

He subcontracts??
 
On Oct 13, 7:04*pm, "A.Boater" wrote:
On 13-Oct-2010, John H wrote:

I didn't know that.


Really? There's this book and it is called the Bible. A lot of people think
this is the God of Peace & Love, but here are his own words, you know,
written with divine inspiration and all.

Before you hit me with the talking points about the Old Testament not
mattering anymore, you really should check out Matthew 5:18. Remember,
divine inspiration!

Hey thanks for the long drawn out list of somebodys view of the
'wrath of God' but you also need to read the whole chapter of Matthew
5, especially v. 17-19.

But I figure a long cut 'n pate deserves another so....

How do we know when the word “Commandment” or “Commandments” in the
New Testament actually refers to the Biblical Ten Commandments? Does
loving God with all your heart and loving your neighbour as yourself
nullify the Ten Commandments? The Apostle John wrote that Jesus spoke
of a “New Commandment.” What does John mean by this and does it change
our obligation to observe the Ten Commandments? Does Jesus fulfilling
the law bring and end to the law? All these questions will now be
answered not by speculation or private interpretation, but by solid
references from the Word of God.

Meaning of Jesus Fulfilling the Law

In Matthew 5:17, Jesus assures us that He did not come to destroy the
law but to fulfil it. In verse 19, He states that we are not only to
obey the law but we are to teach it also. Despite the clear
instructions of Jesus that we are not only to OBEY the law but we are
to TEACH it also, there are those that not only do not teach the law
but they teach the law has ended and even severely condemn and
criticize those that do teach the law. Their response to this passage
is that fulfilling the law brings an end to the law, that is, destroys
the law. Have a close look at this passage and see what Jesus would be
saying if this were true. Consider if this paraphrased version makes
any sense.

Starting with verse 17, this is what Jesus would effectively be
saying, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets:
I am not come to DESTROY THE LAW but I have come to DESTROY THE LAW.
Now that I have come to fulfil the law and hence destroy the law, I am
telling you that till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle
shall, that is, not the crossing of a “t” or the dotting of an “i”
shall in NO wise pass from the law that I am ending. And since
fulfilling the law ends and destroys the law, I am telling you that
whosoever therefore shall BREAK ONE of these least Commandments shall
be referred to as least by those in the kingdom, and since I am
abolishing the law, I am telling you that you are now to TEACH THE LAW
also that I am abolishing. You have heard before that “THOU SHALL NOT
KILL” but now that I am fulfilling and so ending the law, now I say
that whosoever is ANGRY with his brother WITHOUT A CAUSE shall be in
danger of the judgment and whosoever shall say, YOU FOOL, shall be in
danger of HELL FIRE. You have heard that it was said by them of old
time, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY” but since fulfilling the law
ends the law, now I say unto you, That whosoever looks on a woman to
lust after her has COMMITTED ADULTERY with her already in his heart.”

No one in their right mind could possibly say that this makes one iota
of common sense or logic. One could not have a more absurd load of
absolute nonsense and contradictory statements if one tried. There is
a Greek word for fulfilled that we will discuss later below that does
mean to bring to an end, but the word used here is not that one. The
Greek word used for fulfil in Matthew 5:17 means to do fully or to
give full meaning, and to be obeyed as it should be. Clearly what we
do not see in this passage is Jesus destroying the law as He informed
us He would not do, but what we do observe is Jesus giving the law its
full meaning by obeying and magnifying the law. The other fact that
many overlook is that any relevant change that was to occur in the New
Testament was always prophesied in the Old Testament. Where in the Old
Testament does it say that Jesus would end the law or even one
Commandment such as the fourth Commandment the Sabbath? It does not!
Since this passage is actually showing Jesus magnifying the law, we
should have an Old Testament prophet telling us that Jesus would in
fact magnify the law. Does this scripture exist? It has to and does!
We should not be strangers to this fact as we are given a Messianic
prophecy that tells us that Christ would in fact do exactly this, and
there is no mistaking that this is precisely what Jesus is doing in
Matthew 5 and not destroying or ending the law as we are told ever so
clear that He was not going to do.

Isaiah 42:21 “The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he
will MAGNIFY the law, and make it honourable.”

We are told the law would be magnified and made honourable, not
destroyed. In the remainder of Matthew chapter 5 we see how Jesus has
without a doubt magnified the law. We note the following; Matthew 5:19
from not only obeying the law but teaching it also, 5:21-22 from do
not kill to not being angry with your brother without cause, 5:27-28
from do not commit adultery to being guilty if you look at a woman
lustfully, 5:31 from divorcing by a letter to any man who divorces his
wife except for sexual immorality, causes her or anyone who marries a
divorced woman to commit adultery, 5:33-37 from not breaking oaths
made to the Lord to do not swear at all, either by heaven or earth or
by Jerusalem. And do not swear by your head, let your Yes be Yes, and
your No, No, 5:38-42 from an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth to
turning the other cheek and if someone sues you for your coat, give
them your cloak also, 5:43-45 from love your neighbour and hate your
enemy to love your enemies and bless them that curse you and pray for
those that are spiteful and use you.

Does this give the impression that fulfilling the law ends the law? If
this were true then all the following things have also ended. Our Joy,
our Righteousness, the Word of God, the Scriptures and our obedience
just to name a few. Clearly this not possible. Below is the Thayer
dictionary definition for the Greek word “fulfil” used in Matthew
5:17.
G4137 “Pleroo” Thayer definition:

1) to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full.

2) to render full, i.e. to complete.
2a) to fill to the top: so that nothing shall be wanting to full
measure, fill to the brim.
2b) to consummate: a number.

2b1) to make complete in every particular, to render perfect.
2b2) to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out,
(some undertaking).

2c) to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise.

2c1) of matters of duty: to perform, execute.
2c2) of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass,
ratify, accomplish.
2c3) to fulfil, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the
law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through
the prophets) to receive fulfilment.

A Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: from G4134

Part “2C3” of the Thayer definition is a relevant part for the word
“fulfil” in Matthew 5:17. Jesus certainly did not come to destroy the
law; He obeyed and carried out the law to the full and magnified it!
Jesus does not contradict Himself.
Does Christ fulfilling the law end the Moral law?

Below are some of the other things that would have also ended if this
Greek word “fulfil” meant to bring an end to the law. Consider what
these scriptures would say if “fulfil” meant to “end.” These following
scriptures all use the same Greek word G4137.

Matthew 3:15 “…it becometh us to fulfil [end] all righteousness.”
John 17:13 “…that they might have my joy fulfilled [ended] in
themselves.”
2 Thessalonians 1:11 “…and fulfil [end] all the good pleasure of his
goodness, and the work of faith with power.”
Philippians 2:2 “fulfil [end] you my joy, that you be likeminded,
having the same love…”
John 17:12 “…that the scripture might be fulfilled [ended].”
Colossians 1:25 “…which is given to me for you, to fulfil [end] the
word of God.”
2 Corinthians 10:6 “…having in a readiness to revenge all
disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled [ended].”

Apart from those who are deceived and listening to the wrong spirit,
everyone else including all the late famous theologians know and
understand that it is an absolute impossibility for this particular
Greek word “fulfil” to be meaning bringing an end to the law. The
proofs given so far are one hundred percent conclusive and extremely
overwhelming but let's go even further. The following verse is the
Biblical definition for sin.

1 John 3:4 “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for
sin is the transgression of the law.”

For further confirmation and just so there can be no doubt whatsoever.

Romans 4:15 “Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there
is no transgression.”

If there is no law, then there can be no transgression of the law,
which is what sin is. Therefore, evil could freely reign and our
Saviour would be obsolete. Who needs a Saviour to save us from our sin
when there is no sin? We do not even need to repent of sin anymore, as
without a law there can be no transgression of the law, which defines
what sin is. Does the Bible say sin is gone? Does Paul say we can now
sin that we are under Grace? Remember that sin is transgression of the
law and if there is no law then there can be no sin. If there is sin
then there has to be a law. It is that simple.

Romans 6:1-2 “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that
grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin,
live any longer therein?”

Romans 6:14-15 “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are
not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? Shall we sin,
because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.”

Obviously sin does remain which is transgression of the law and Paul
makes it quite clear that we are not to continue in sin which means
the law still has to exist. Even in secular society, you cannot charge
someone with murder if the law that says murder is a crime is
abolished. If the law that says it is a criminal offence to commit
murder does not exist then anyone is free by man's secular law to
commit murder. If there is no law, there can be no crime. If it is a
crime then there has to be a law. It is not a difficult concept to
grasp. As just demonstrated, the same applies to God's Word and His
law.

There are some who have a modified view of this and say that the law
is gone but you still cannot break most of the Commandments. When you
ask which Commandments individually, you find that fulfilling the law
for these people really only does away with one Commandment, being the
fourth Commandment the Sabbath. The same reasoning exists behind those
who say loving God with all your heart and your neighbour as yourself
does away with the law. But again, when you ask about still obeying
certain Commandments, one finds it still only effectively does away
with that one Commandment again. Why is it that all these non-Biblical
excuses always seem to be aimed at this one Commandment? What is it
about this one Commandment that people are so desperate to avoid?
Matthew 22:40 says that “ALL the law hang on these two Commandments”
which should make it clear that loving God with all your heart and
your neighbour as yourself does not effectively make it nine
Commandments anyway based on this one statement alone. Satan knows the
importance of this Commandment and has achieved a massive victory here
that most Christians are not aware of and should be.

The Bible informs us many times that this Commandment is a SIGN that
it is God we Worship and that it is a SIGN that it is God we Love and
it is a SIGN that shows that it is God that has sanctified us and made
us Holy and that we are His children. Do we want to be His children
and sanctified by this sign? This is not something to avoid! These
SIGNS are NOT valid when we worship on the day effectively instituted
by Satan himself. There are also other promised blessings for
worshipping on God's Holy day. This is why Satan attacks this one
Commandment so hard. Why do we listen to him? It is also because the
Word of God says no sacrifice remains for wilful sin (Hebrews
10:26-29) and so only those in the following verse reap the blessings
of eternal life. Revelation 22:14 “Blessed are they that do his
Commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may
enter in through the gates into the city.” As God knows our heart, He
winks at ignorance for those who do not know the Sabbath day truth and
would otherwise obey, but denial of truth is death. Satan through his
agency changed the Sabbath to Sunday in the third century and for
hundreds of years this power murdered and tortured anyone that kept
this Commandment on God's Holy day, and as a result, the true day was
murdered out of existence! Satan did this because he knows the
importance of the day. The question is why don't we? It is not about
wether we think this day is important or not, it is about wether God
says that it is important. To not keep this day Holy is sin. Watch
short video of a true story of a Death in Red Square for Sabbath
keeping. See who changed the Sabbath to Sunday.

So can we have a situation where the law is gone but you still have to
obey all of it but one Commandment? Already this clearly does not make
sense for those who truly love God and are not looking for reasons to
disobey this one Commandment that is too much of a burden to them.
What if the secular law that says, “You cannot murder” is abolished
and as a result, an evil person goes out and murders someone? The
result is he would be arrested, charged with murder and brought before
the court. The murderer would respond, “That law was abolished!” The
court would respond, “Yes the law was abolished but you still have to
obey it.” If you are not allowed to murder then a law has to exist
that says that you cannot murder. You cannot charge people with
killing another if there is no law. Again, the same applies to the Ten
Commandments. You cannot say the law is gone but we still have to obey
NINE?? of the Commandments. Since the Sabbath Commandment is a SIGN
that it is God we love and that it is God that makes us Holy and His
children, then loving God with all your heart would certainly include
this one Commandment that so many try so desperately hard to avoid.
The following translation says it quite well and gives a better
understanding of what was meant by the word “fulfil.”

Matthew 5:17-20 CEV “Don't suppose that I came to do away with the Law
and the Prophets. I did not come to do away with them, but to give
them their full meaning. 18 Heaven and earth may disappear. But I
promise you that not even a period or comma will ever disappear from
the Law. Everything written in it must happen. 19 If you reject even
the least important command in the Law and teach others to do the
same, you will be the least important person in the kingdom of heaven.
But if you obey and teach others its commands, you will have an
important place in the kingdom. 20 You must obey God's commands better
than the Pharisees and the teachers of the Law obey them. If you
don't, I promise you that you will never get into the kingdom of
heaven.”

Compare the Contemporary English Version with that of the KJV for
clarity on the meaning of the word fulfil in verse 17.

Matthew 5:17-20 KJV “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or
the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I
say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall
in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever
therefore shall break one of these least Commandments, and shall teach
men so, he shall be called the least [by those] in the kingdom of
heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be
called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That
except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the
scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of
heaven.”

Just for a quick point revision, here are some of those reasons
previously covered why “fulfil” does not abolish the law.

1. If this were so, then our Joy, our Righteousness, the Word of
God, the Scriptures and our obedience would also be gone just to name
a few. Our “righteousness” and our “Joy” and the “Scriptures” do still
exist I hope!
2. Jesus would be contradicting Himself extremely seriously more
than ten times in Matthew chapter five.
3. You cannot be told to obey a law that is abolished or does not
exist.
4. You cannot teach obedience to a law that does not exist. How do
you teach how to obey a non-existent law?
5. If there was no law then there could be no sin and we would not
require a Saviour and someone to intercede on our behalf with the
Father for our sins. We do still have to repent of our sins don't we?
Some would say no!
6. Isaiah 42:21 says that Jesus came to magnify the law. There is
nothing that says or was prophesied that Jesus came to abolish the law
or even one Commandment.
7. The Greek word for “fulfil” used in verse 17 means to make full
or to give full meaning. Fulfilling the law as per Matthew 5:17 does
not mean to abolish.
8. How can the law that is NOT void be ended that we also have to
establish and be doers of? Romans 3:31; Romans 2:13.

Now we have a clear understanding of this passage, we can now
undoubtedly see that Jesus is telling us that not a “letter” or a “,”
or a “.” or the dotting of an “i” or the crossing of a “t” is going to
pass from the law as long as heaven and earth are still in existence.
Are Heaven and Earth still here? Of course! Therefore every one of the
Ten Commandments has to be perfectly intact. Jesus obviously never
contradicts Himself or lies. The fourth Commandment is the largest of
all the Ten Commandments and for this Holy day to be abolished or
changed would be a lot more than a letter of the law. On this one
passage alone, it is absolutely impossible for any of the Ten
Commandments to have changed. They have however been magnified as we
were told and we can see Jesus doing in this passage. Jesus is not
changing the law or taking away from the law but making the law
stricter. Select Gods Sabbath and Antichrist Truth for the
misunderstandings or excuses used to avoid the Sabbath. See also who
changed the Sabbath to Sunday.

It is highly probable also that confusion has resulted from the
meaning of the different Greek words used for “fulfil.” The following
verse uses the word “fulfilled” but this one actually does mean to
bring to an end. Compare this against G4137.

Mark 13:4 “Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the
sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?”

G4931 “sunteleo” Thayer Definition:
1) to end together or at the same time
2) to end completely 2a) bring to an end, finish, complete
3) to accomplish, bring to fulfilment 3a) to come to pass
4) to effect, make, (conclude)
5) to finish 5a) to make an end of 5b) to bring to an end 5c) destroy
The New Commandment

We find in the book of John, Jesus speaking with His Apostles about
love which He repeats in more detail two chapters later. Both of these
conversations have several similar points but one main theme, i.e. the
“NEW” level of Christ like love.

1) They were both private conversations between Jesus and His
Apostles.
2) The first time Jesus says, “A new commandment I give unto you”
followed by in both chapters, “That you love one another; as I have
loved you”
3) In one passage Peter says, “I will lay down my life for your sake”
and Jesus replies, “Will you lay down your life for my sake?” and in
the other passage, Jesus follows up his statement of “That you love
one another; as I have loved you” with an example of how to do this,
“Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for
his friends.”

When Jesus died, He demonstrated the ultimate act of love. Did the
disciples exercise the same Christ like love before this time? We find
in Luke 22:24 “And there was also a strife among them, which of them
should be accounted the greatest.” Jesus said in John 13:34-35 “A new
commandment I give unto you, That you love one another; as I have
loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this shall all men
know that you are my disciples, if you have love one to another.”

In the Greek there are two words for “NEW”, one means totally brand
new and the other meaning new to us. The word Jesus used here was NOT
brand new but new to us, meaning it was a type of love that would be
new to them that they were not currently practising. In order for the
disciples to continue the work of Christ, they had to be able
demonstrate the same Christ like example of love, so as verse 35 says,
“By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have
love one to another” in the same way that Jesus loved them and laid
down His life for the world. See John 3:16.

This is the new level of love that we all need to learn and walk in
and what Paul expressed in Ephesians 5:1-2, “Be you therefore
followers of God, as dear children; 2 And walk in love, as Christ also
has loved us, and has given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice
to God for a sweet smelling savour.” Here is love magnified to the
full as demonstrated by Jesus in Matthew chapter 5. Jesus' ultimate
example of love was laying down His life for others and He knew that
most of His Apostles would need to be prepared to do the same as the
Bible and history shows they did.

Loving your neighbour as yourself was NOT a “New” commandment and
existed from the beginning but the level of love they needed to
practise to be imitators of Christ was new in that they loved one
another as Jesus loved them to the point of also being prepared to lay
down their lives for each other as Jesus did for them and the whole
world. So we find that Jesus not only magnified the law with what He
spoke of in Matthew chapter 5 but He also taught that we need to
demonstrate the same self sacrificing love of Christ Himself. This is
the level of love that is the foundation of God's Moral law of love.

John said that there was nothing new about loving your neighbour as
yourself and that this was a law from the beginning and the last six
Commandments hang on this law. See Leviticus 19:18 and Matthew
22:35-40. John explains this in 1 John 2:7-8, “I write NO new
commandment unto you, but an old commandment which you had from the
beginning” followed by the words, “Again, a new commandment I write
unto you” This sounds like a contradiction to the previous verse but
John is pointing out what Jesus taught in that Loving your neighbour
as yourself is now magnified to the degree that we should love one
another to the point of being prepared to lay down our lives for each
other as Christ did for us.

John furthers this in 2 John 1:5-6, “I beseech you, lady, NOT as
though I wrote a new commandment unto you, but that which we had from
the beginning, that we love one another. And this is love, that we
walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as you
have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.” Jesus is the
perfect model of the love of God in His perfect example of loving
obedience. Christ loved us so much that He sacrificed His own life for
us. He Himself explained in John 15:13, “Greater love has no one than
this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.”

Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible, LL.D., F.S.A., (1762-1832)
“John 13:34 - A new commandment I give unto you - In what sense are we
to understand that this was a new commandment? Thou shalt love thy
neighbour as thyself, was a positive precept of the law, Lev 19:18,
and it is the very same that Christ repeats here; how then was it new?
Our Lord answers this question, Even As I have loved you. Now Christ
more than fulfilled the Mosaic precept; he not only loved his
neighbour As himself, but he loved him More than himself, for he laid
down his life for men. In this he calls upon the disciples to imitate
him; to be ready on all occasions to lay down their lives for each
other. This was, strictly, a new commandment: no system of morality
ever prescribed any thing so pure and disinterested as this. Our
blessed Lord has outdone all the moral systems in the universe in two
words: 1. Love your enemies; 2. Lay down your lives for each other.”
The Two Greatest Commandments

Loving God with all your heart, soul and might and loving your
neighbour as yourself was quoted not only by Jesus in the New
Testament but is also found “from the beginning” i.e. in the Old
Testament. Jesus was actually quoting the Old Testament scriptures as
He quite frequently did. See Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18. Did
ALL the law hang on these two Commandments when they were first quoted
in the Old Testament? Deuteronomy 6:5 actually proves this stating
that to love God with all your heart, soul and might is to keep
everyone of the Ten Commandments that had just been read 17 verses
earlier! The fourth Commandment is also love as it is a SIGN that it
is God we love and worship. Loving God with all your heart therefore
sums up the first four Commandments while loving your neighbour sums
up the last six. It does not destroy any of these Ten magnificent
rules of love. See also Romans 13:9. The Ten Commandments are a
reflection of God's character of love and so the few verses translated
“Commandment” that speak of loving God or our brother still apply to
God's Moral law. Jesus demonstrated what loving obedience is about in
John 15:10, “If you keep my Commandments, you shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father's Commandments, and abide in his love.”

If we love God with all our heart, soul and might, will we have other
Gods before Him, Worship idols, take His name in vain or deny God the
quality time of Praise and Worship He wants from us on His Holy day?
No! If we love our neighbour as ourselves, will we disrespect our
parents, murder, sleep with another's spouse, steal, lie or covet
anything that belongs to your neighbour? Again, No! It is clear that
if you love God with all your heart and your neighbour as yourself you
are keeping the Ten Commandments. This is why Jesus said in Matthew
22:40 that ALL the law hang on these two Commandments. All the law
hung on these two Commandments when they were first quoted in the Old
Testament so what has changed? Absolutely nothing! See also the
greatest Commandment.
When is Commandments the Ten Commandments?

All the scriptures listed below where G1785 is translated as
“Commandments”, the Greek shows the King James Bible has translated
correctly in the plural, i.e. they are all N-APF, N-DPF, N-GPF and N-
NPF where the “P” is plural. Several Greek words are used in the New
Testament that are translated as “Commandments” but G1785 is the only
Greek word that is used when referring to God's Moral Law of love.
From this and the passage context we can be confident that absolutely
every verse translated as “Commandments” refers to the Moral law
except for four verses listed separately. Below is the Strong's
dictionary definition for the word Commandment that is always used
when referring to the Ten Commandments in the New Testament.

Strong's Definition for G1785:
entole
Pronounced: en-tol-ay'
From G1781; injunction, that is, an authoritative prescription: -
commandment, precept.
Verses using Commandment or Commandments that refer to the Moral Law
The Ten Commandments:
Matthew 5:17-19, Matthew 15:3, 6, Matthew 19:17, Matthew 22:36, 38,
40, Mark 7:8-9, Mark 10:5, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20, John 14:15, John
14:21, Romans 7:8-13, Romans 13:9, 1 Corinthians 7:19, Ephesians 6:2,
2 Peter 2:21, 1 John 2:3-4, 1 John 5:2-3, Revelation 12:17, Revelation
14:12, Revelation 22:14.

Note the following in regards to the next group of scriptures below.
Loving God with all your heart and loving your neighbour as yourself
is to obey ALL of God's glorious Ten Commandments of love. See Matthew
22:35-40 and Romans 13:9. As already demonstrated, this is not a new
law. See Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18.

Mark 12:28-31, John 13:34, Though this example is relevant to us, this
conversation is between Jesus and His Apostles. See Adam Clarke's
Commentary above. We also find this conversation amplified between
Jesus and His Apostles in this next passage. John 15:10, 12, 1 John
2:7-8, 1 John 3:22-24, 1 John 4:21, 2 John 1:4-6.
The Fourth Commandment:
Luke 23:56
The Ten Commandments & Ordinances:
Luke 1:6, Hebrews 9:19.

These are the only four verses using the Greek word “entole” that are
translated to the word “Commandments” and do not make reference to the
Ten Commandments. You will note that the context is clear perhaps with
the exception of Ephesians 2:15 which may not be clear to some. The
ordinances were part of the ceremonial law which was carried out as a
result of sin before Christ abolished this law by becoming our final
perfect sacrifice.


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John H[_2_] October 15th 10 12:05 AM

He subcontracts??
 
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:17:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Oct 13, 7:04*pm, "A.Boater" wrote:
On 13-Oct-2010, John H wrote:

I didn't know that.


Really? There's this book and it is called the Bible. A lot of people think
this is the God of Peace & Love, but here are his own words, you know,
written with divine inspiration and all.

Before you hit me with the talking points about the Old Testament not
mattering anymore, you really should check out Matthew 5:18. Remember,
divine inspiration!

Hey thanks for the long drawn out list of somebodys view of the
'wrath of God' but you also need to read the whole chapter of Matthew
5, especially v. 17-19.

But I figure a long cut 'n pate deserves another so....

How do we know when the word “Commandment” or “Commandments” in the
New Testament actually refers to the Biblical Ten Commandments? Does
loving God with all your heart and loving your neighbour as yourself
nullify the Ten Commandments? The Apostle John wrote that Jesus spoke
of a “New Commandment.” What does John mean by this and does it change
our obligation to observe the Ten Commandments? Does Jesus fulfilling
the law bring and end to the law? All these questions will now be
answered not by speculation or private interpretation, but by solid
references from the Word of God.


Some snipped...

These are the only four verses using the Greek word “entole” that are
translated to the word “Commandments” and do not make reference to the
Ten Commandments. You will note that the context is clear perhaps with
the exception of Ephesians 2:15 which may not be clear to some. The
ordinances were part of the ceremonial law which was carried out as a
result of sin before Christ abolished this law by becoming our final
perfect sacrifice.


?;^ )


OK. So...does that mean it's OK to use A-10s to kill terrorists? I think it
does.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

Tim October 15th 10 12:19 AM

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On Oct 14, 5:56*pm, "A.Boater" wrote:
On 14-Oct-2010, Tim wrote:

No one in their right mind could possibly say that this makes one iota
of common sense or logic. One could not have a more absurd load of
absolute nonsense and contradictory statements if one tried.


Above, is a direct quote from your post and, I must remark, I couldn't have
said it better myself. Tim, I am impressed with your clarity!


Sure! There's lots of things that to the world don't make man's
common sense or logic when it comes to Christianity.

think Faith, man. think FAITH!

?;^ )

Tim October 15th 10 01:13 AM

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On Oct 14, 7:08*pm, "A.Boater" wrote:
More faith:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2STDH...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mcOI...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnG0e...eature=related

I could go on, but you get the idea.


Event though I cant' tell if you're really replying to me, because I
didn't show up in the messege. I'll jsut say this.

"What ever you think it is, to you...you're right!"

I could go on, but you get the idea.

?;^ )

John H[_2_] October 15th 10 02:15 AM

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On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:19:29 GMT, "A.Boater" wrote:


On 14-Oct-2010, John H wrote:

OK. So...does that mean it's OK to use A-10s to kill terrorists? I think
it does.


I do, too. But man-up and take the responsibility, yourself. Don't say the
big goblin in the sky said to do it, so it's ok.


Actually, I'll do whatever I please. In this case, He subcontracts.

Live with it.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

Tim October 15th 10 04:19 AM

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On Oct 14, 7:21*pm, "A.Boater" wrote:
On 14-Oct-2010, Tim wrote:

"What ever you think it is, to you...you're right!"


Interesting! And I thought you'd agree with Benedict XVI in that we are
"moving towards a dictatorship of relativism."

Whatever. Are you boating this weekend?


No, I'm going to start putting them away. The weather is great but the
lakes and rivers are way too low.

So, time to put 'em to bed...

(Man I hate that!)

jps October 17th 10 09:44 PM

He subcontracts??
 
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:19:29 GMT, "A.Boater"
wrote:


On 14-Oct-2010, John H wrote:

OK. So...does that mean it's OK to use A-10s to kill terrorists? I think
it does.


I do, too. But man-up and take the responsibility, yourself. Don't say the
big goblin in the sky said to do it, so it's ok.


She's not a goblin. She looks and dresses just like Wendy, the good
witch of the north.


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