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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:55:52 -0700,
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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:48:17 -0700,
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What????? It's about $1M/year/troop. I think you missed something
somewhere...

I am just quoting the number that is floating around CNN and MSNBC
this week.

The $1m a year is DoD overall and includes that soldier painting
rocks
white outside an officer's club in Arkansas and a sailor working at
the Base Exchange in Norfolk

It's not $1M per hour. It's $1M per year. Don't know what CNN/MSNBC
said.
If
it's DoD over all, then it's got to be less per soldier.

You are right about the $1m per year. Now you have me curious about
the other number. Dylan Ratigan, Charley Rose and one of the CNN guys
all had the same number and I heard it to be $700k/hr. I will go back
through my DVR and see if I can get a better cite

Maybe it was $700/hour? :)


No it was a huge number because they were talking about it compared to
the cost of education and other things we spend a lot of money on.

$700/hour is over $1.4MM/year.

Which would at least be close...



Close to what, dip**** da plume? Show us the math.

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In article ,
says...
There is an interesting idea floating around the tax reform community.
Maybe the tax payer should get a receipt at the end of the year (just
a web site you can visit, not a piece of paper) that takes your total
tax bill and breaks it down into how much money went to SS, Medicare,
DoD, HHS etc.
It would be a real eye opener for most people. You quickly figure out
that most of the things people bitch about the loudest only cost them
$10 a year or less. The lion's share of your tax money goes to things
people are not willing to cut. Social Security and Medicare.
DoD is really the big slice of the pie that we can cut but it is
skillfully doled out to all 50 states so it is hard to get much
traction in congress for cutting any of it.
DoD is our ongoing stimulus project.

This isn't possible but, I would go in the opposite direction and tell
the taxpayer all of the taxes they are paying and where those taxes are
being collected. In most states every dollar you spend sends money to
the local, state and federal governments.

the American plutocracy
 

On 10/9/10 10:15 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...
There is an interesting idea floating around the tax reform community.
Maybe the tax payer should get a receipt at the end of the year (just
a web site you can visit, not a piece of paper) that takes your total
tax bill and breaks it down into how much money went to SS, Medicare,
DoD, HHS etc.
It would be a real eye opener for most people. You quickly figure out
that most of the things people bitch about the loudest only cost them
$10 a year or less. The lion's share of your tax money goes to things
people are not willing to cut. Social Security and Medicare.
DoD is really the big slice of the pie that we can cut but it is
skillfully doled out to all 50 states so it is hard to get much
traction in congress for cutting any of it.
DoD is our ongoing stimulus project.

This isn't possible but, I would go in the opposite direction and tell
the taxpayer all of the taxes they are paying and where those taxes are
being collected. In most states every dollar you spend sends money to
the local, state and federal governments.


Have you considered cutting back on your political posts and instead
putting up some boating-related posts?

It's been a long, long time since you mentioned enjoying your boat.

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On Sat, 9 Oct 2010 14:45:36 GMT, "A.Boater"
wrote:

Why don't we just go back to a time when we actually had a good economy and
do things like they did?

During Eisenhower's tenure the top tax rate was 91%, during Nixon it was
50%, and now we are arguing about whether it should be 35% or 39.6%.

Anybody see a trend?


yep. the folks who work for a living pay more. the folks who shuffle
money around make more

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In article ,
says...

Why don't we just go back to a time when we actually had a good economy and
do things like they did?

During Eisenhower's tenure the top tax rate was 91%, during Nixon it was
50%, and now we are arguing about whether it should be 35% or 39.6%.

Anybody see a trend?

Your are trying to say that higher marginal tax rates equal prosperity?

How about we go with a flat tax. The Government (local, state and
federal) get 15% and no more. At the end of each year the government
gets 15% of each individual's and corporation's gross revenue. The
local, state and federal governments can fight each other for their part
of that 15%. There are no other taxes. No sales taxes, no real estate
taxes, no excise taxes when I purchase new tires.

If I know I am going to keep 85% of all of the money I receive I would
be happy.

the american plutocracy
 

On 10/9/10 11:06 AM, BAR wrote:
In articleabydnTRIjvxu4i3RnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@giganews. com,
says...

Why don't we just go back to a time when we actually had a good economy and
do things like they did?

During Eisenhower's tenure the top tax rate was 91%, during Nixon it was
50%, and now we are arguing about whether it should be 35% or 39.6%.

Anybody see a trend?

Your are trying to say that higher marginal tax rates equal prosperity?

How about we go with a flat tax. The Government (local, state and
federal) get 15% and no more. At the end of each year the government
gets 15% of each individual's and corporation's gross revenue. The
local, state and federal governments can fight each other for their part
of that 15%. There are no other taxes. No sales taxes, no real estate
taxes, no excise taxes when I purchase new tires.

If I know I am going to keep 85% of all of the money I receive I would
be happy.


I forgot...what sort of boat do you have these days?


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No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

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On Sat, 9 Oct 2010 11:06:11 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

Why don't we just go back to a time when we actually had a good economy and
do things like they did?

During Eisenhower's tenure the top tax rate was 91%, during Nixon it was
50%, and now we are arguing about whether it should be 35% or 39.6%.

Anybody see a trend?

Your are trying to say that higher marginal tax rates equal prosperity?

How about we go with a flat tax.

the right loves a flat tax because it hits more of the disposable
income of the middle class than it does the rich

more of the reason why the US is becoming a plutocracy

The Government (local, state and
federal) get 15% and no more. At the end of each year the government
gets 15% of each individual's and corporation's gross revenue. The
local, state and federal governments can fight each other for their part
of that 15%. There are no other taxes. No sales taxes, no real estate
taxes, no excise taxes when I purchase new tires.

and what happens to defense, etc., in a recession. the right lives in
a bubble of fairy tales and delusions

and 15%? the US govt spends 20% of GDP now. where you gonna cut 25%
of govt?

go ahead. tell us

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On Sat, 9 Oct 2010 15:43:07 GMT, "A.Boater"
wrote:

I have to admit it SOUNDS like a good idea, it just ISN'T. Well, unless you
do it like they are in Europe where you have truly flat rates from 10%
(Bulgaria) and up. The catch is that it must be a flat individual and
corporate tax and it must not exempt tax on monies "earned" almost
exclusively by only those folks and entities in the highest tax brackets.
Thus far, the American "Flat" Tax proposals have been anything but that.

Predominately, they have been right-wing Republican attempts to hoodwink the
middle class into thinking that they will no longer be carrying the country
on their backs. Rather than trying to fix a problem it has been merely and
unfortunately a ruse to continue the status quo.

http://www.wordwiz72.com/flattax.html


well said. unfortunately, almost every successful tax scheme is put
forward by republicans. it slashes taxes on the upper 1% whle sticking
the middle clas with most taxes

the american plutocracy
 

In article ,
says...

I have to admit it SOUNDS like a good idea, it just ISN'T. Well, unless you
do it like they are in Europe where you have truly flat rates from 10%
(Bulgaria) and up. The catch is that it must be a flat individual and
corporate tax and it must not exempt tax on monies "earned" almost
exclusively by only those folks and entities in the highest tax brackets.
Thus far, the American "Flat" Tax proposals have been anything but that.

Predominately, they have been right-wing Republican attempts to hoodwink the
middle class into thinking that they will no longer be carrying the country
on their backs. Rather than trying to fix a problem it has been merely and
unfortunately a ruse to continue the status quo.

http://www.wordwiz72.com/flattax.html

You must have missed where I said gross revenues or you just read it as
income.

the American plutocracy
 

Secular Humouresque wrote:
On 10/9/10 10:15 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...
There is an interesting idea floating around the tax reform community.
Maybe the tax payer should get a receipt at the end of the year (just
a web site you can visit, not a piece of paper) that takes your total
tax bill and breaks it down into how much money went to SS, Medicare,
DoD, HHS etc.
It would be a real eye opener for most people. You quickly figure out
that most of the things people bitch about the loudest only cost them
$10 a year or less. The lion's share of your tax money goes to things
people are not willing to cut. Social Security and Medicare.
DoD is really the big slice of the pie that we can cut but it is
skillfully doled out to all 50 states so it is hard to get much
traction in congress for cutting any of it.
DoD is our ongoing stimulus project.

This isn't possible but, I would go in the opposite direction and tell
the taxpayer all of the taxes they are paying and where those taxes are
being collected. In most states every dollar you spend sends money to
the local, state and federal governments.


Have you considered cutting back on your political posts and instead
putting up some boating-related posts?

It's been a long, long time since you mentioned enjoying your boat.

WAFA!