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Environmental Protection Agency considering a ban on lead ammunition| Washington Examiner
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Environmental Protection Agency considering a ban on lead ammunition | Washington Examiner
In article , lil abner
wrote: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...tial/enviornme ntal-protection-agency-considering-a-ban-on-lead-ammunition-101492439.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning Lead, one of the leading causes of toxicity in waterfowl, has been known to cause die-offs of wild bird populations.[122] When hunters use lead shot, waterfowl such as ducks can ingest the spent pellets later and be poisoned; predators that eat these birds are also at risk.[153] Lead shot-related waterfowl poisonings were first documented in the US in the 1880s.[69] By 1919, the spent lead pellets from waterfowl hunting was positively identified as the source of waterfowl deaths.[154] Lead shot has been banned for hunting waterfowl in several countries,[69] including the US in 1991 and 1997 in Canada.[155] ---- If you are a hunter, you should be in favor of this bill. Everybody should be in favor of getting the lead out of the environment, as we did with leaded gasoline. It is particularly toxic to small children. If you live where little hunting takes place, this bill wouldn't make too much difference to your health. On the other hand, the exposure of waterways to lead shot would spread the lead in the environment of your quarry, and possibly into your water supply. Like top predators, we will end up concentrating the lead into ourselves. Obviously, there are concerns about legislation restricting rights, but we need to be smart about this. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude http://english.aljazeera.net/video/m...515308172.html |
Environmental Protection Agency considering a ban on lead ammunition | Washington Examiner
Per lil abner :
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...101492439.html Could be wrong, but I *think* I heard my son-in-law-the-farmer say that lead ammo was already illegal in his area (Berks County, Southeastern Penna, USA). -- PeteCresswell |
Environmental Protection Agency considering a ban on lead ammunition
On 8/29/10 1:09 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per lil : http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...101492439.html Could be wrong, but I *think* I heard my son-in-law-the-farmer say that lead ammo was already illegal in his area (Berks County, Southeastern Penna, USA). There's nothing dumber than uninformed righties like abner... "EPA today denied a petition submitted by several outside groups for the agency to implement a ban on the production and distribution of lead hunting ammunition. EPA reached this decision because the agency does not have the legal authority to regulate this type of product under the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA) – nor is the agency seeking such authority..." |
Environmental Protection Agency considering a ban on lead ammunition| Washington Examiner
"(PeteCresswell)" wrote:
Per lil abner : http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...101492439.html Could be wrong, but I *think* I heard my son-in-law-the-farmer say that lead ammo was already illegal in his area (Berks County, Southeastern Penna, USA). -- PeteCresswell A ban on lead shot for water fowl hunting was phased in beginning in 1986 and finalized in 1991. Lead shot is also now banned for shotgun hunting occurring near wetlands in national wildlife refuges... http://www.epa.gov/region02/waste/leadshot/bmp6_7.pdf just adding a little validity --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
Environmental Protection Agency considering a ban on lead ammunition | Washington Examiner
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:53:21 -0400, Jim wrote:
"(PeteCresswell)" wrote: Per lil abner : http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...101492439.html Could be wrong, but I *think* I heard my son-in-law-the-farmer say that lead ammo was already illegal in his area (Berks County, Southeastern Penna, USA). -- PeteCresswell A ban on lead shot for water fowl hunting was phased in beginning in 1986 and finalized in 1991. Lead shot is also now banned for shotgun hunting occurring near wetlands in national wildlife refuges... http://www.epa.gov/region02/waste/leadshot/bmp6_7.pdf just adding a little validity --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- ======= The EPA issued a ruling that the issue was not within their jurisdiction. A ban on lead fishing sinkers are still under consideration however. http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2010/08/28/1146969/epa-denies-bid-to-ban-lead-in.html http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/08/27/2056349/epa-denies-bid-to-ban-lead-in.html |
Environmental Protection Agency considering a ban on lead ammunition | Washington Examiner
"lil abner" wrote in message ... http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...101492439.html Backdoor attempt by anti-gunners to restrict firearms rights. Death by a million cuts methodology. There are alternatives to lead in ammunition, but it raises the cost substantially. Common sense is needed with this issue. Ken |
Environmental Protection Agency considering a ban on lead ammunition | Washington Examiner
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"NapalmHeart" wrote: "lil abner" wrote in message ... http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...ential/enviorn mental-protection-agency-considering-a-ban-on-lead-ammunition-101492439.html Backdoor attempt by anti-gunners to restrict firearms rights. Death by a million cuts methodology. There are alternatives to lead in ammunition, but it raises the cost substantially. Common sense is needed with this issue. The common sense of not polluting the environment, or the common sense that the EPA won't mess with the NRA in an election year? Ken -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude http://english.aljazeera.net/video/m...515308172.html |
Environmental Protection Agency considering a ban on lead ammunition | Washington Examiner
"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "NapalmHeart" wrote: "lil abner" wrote in message ... http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...ential/enviorn mental-protection-agency-considering-a-ban-on-lead-ammunition-101492439.html Backdoor attempt by anti-gunners to restrict firearms rights. Death by a million cuts methodology. There are alternatives to lead in ammunition, but it raises the cost substantially. Common sense is needed with this issue. The common sense of not polluting the environment, or the common sense that the EPA won't mess with the NRA in an election year? the common sense that expended lead ammunition is not hazardous waste. |
Environmental Protection Agency considering a ban on lead ammunition | Washington Examiner
In article ,
"Wallace" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "NapalmHeart" wrote: "lil abner" wrote in message ... http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...fidential/envi orn mental-protection-agency-considering-a-ban-on-lead-ammunition-101492439.h tml Backdoor attempt by anti-gunners to restrict firearms rights. Death by a million cuts methodology. There are alternatives to lead in ammunition, but it raises the cost substantially. Common sense is needed with this issue. The common sense of not polluting the environment, or the common sense that the EPA won't mess with the NRA in an election year? the common sense that expended lead ammunition is not hazardous waste. That expended lead ammunition is not hazardous waste isn't common sense, it's wrong. If you don't live in a hunting area, or have a waterway that passes through a hunting area, or if you don't live near a firing range, the bill would have little impact on your health. On the other hand if you take game in an area that has been used for hunting, you may be bringing home lead in the game that you eat. Carbon dioxide and water form carbonic acid, which is enough to make lead mobile. You have a right to your opinion, but not your facts. http://www.belleville.k12.wi.us/bhs/...dpollution.htm http://www.epa.gov/lead/ http://www.ewg.org/reports/poisonouspastime http://www.princeton.edu/~rmizzo/firingrange.htm -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude http://english.aljazeera.net/video/m...515308172.html |
Environmental Protection Agency considering a ban on lead ammunition| Washington Examiner
On 9/1/2010 5:45 PM, Billy wrote:
In , wrote: wrote in message ... In , wrote: "lil wrote in message ... http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...fidential/envi orn mental-protection-agency-considering-a-ban-on-lead-ammunition-101492439.h tml Backdoor attempt by anti-gunners to restrict firearms rights. Death by a million cuts methodology. There are alternatives to lead in ammunition, but it raises the cost substantially. Common sense is needed with this issue. The common sense of not polluting the environment, or the common sense that the EPA won't mess with the NRA in an election year? the common sense that expended lead ammunition is not hazardous waste. That expended lead ammunition is not hazardous waste isn't common sense, it's wrong. If you don't live in a hunting area, or have a waterway that passes through a hunting area, or if you don't live near a firing range, the bill would have little impact on your health. On the other hand if you take game in an area that has been used for hunting, you may be bringing home lead in the game that you eat. Carbon dioxide and water form carbonic acid, which is enough to make lead mobile. You have a right to your opinion, but not your facts. http://www.belleville.k12.wi.us/bhs/...dpollution.htm http://www.epa.gov/lead/ http://www.ewg.org/reports/poisonouspastime http://www.princeton.edu/~rmizzo/firingrange.htm Lead is all through our soils. There are old lead silver mines mined by Indians scattered all across many sections of the Country. Traces of it are every where. You cannot get rid of lead, in the environment. Lead shot on heavily hunted water ways where Ducks sift the bottom for snails is one thing. It has been addressed. Banning ordinary lead rifle and handgun bullets is another. It is purely a thinly disguised ploy of the victim disarmament bunch. The mentality of this group is turning automobiles into appliances that no one wants to ride in or can afford. They will nibble the edges of every agenda until they do away with or make it so unaffordable or so regulated that Americans cannot obtain them. |
Environmental Protection Agency considering a ban on lead ammunition | Washington Examiner
In article , lil abner
wrote: On 9/1/2010 5:45 PM, Billy wrote: In , wrote: wrote in message ... In , wrote: "lil wrote in message ... http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...nfidential/env i orn mental-protection-agency-considering-a-ban-on-lead-ammunition-101492439. h tml Backdoor attempt by anti-gunners to restrict firearms rights. Death by a million cuts methodology. There are alternatives to lead in ammunition, but it raises the cost substantially. Common sense is needed with this issue. The common sense of not polluting the environment, or the common sense that the EPA won't mess with the NRA in an election year? the common sense that expended lead ammunition is not hazardous waste. That expended lead ammunition is not hazardous waste isn't common sense, it's wrong. If you don't live in a hunting area, or have a waterway that passes through a hunting area, or if you don't live near a firing range, the bill would have little impact on your health. On the other hand if you take game in an area that has been used for hunting, you may be bringing home lead in the game that you eat. Carbon dioxide and water form carbonic acid, which is enough to make lead mobile. You have a right to your opinion, but not your facts. http://www.belleville.k12.wi.us/bhs/...dpollution.htm http://www.epa.gov/lead/ http://www.ewg.org/reports/poisonouspastime http://www.princeton.edu/~rmizzo/firingrange.htm Lead is all through our soils. There are old lead silver mines mined by Indians scattered all across many sections of the Country. Traces of it are every where. You cannot get rid of lead, in the environment. Lead shot on heavily hunted water ways where Ducks sift the bottom for snails is one thing. It has been addressed. Banning ordinary lead rifle and handgun bullets is another. It is purely a thinly disguised ploy of the victim disarmament bunch. The mentality of this group is turning automobiles into appliances that no one wants to ride in or can afford. They will nibble the edges of every agenda until they do away with or make it so unaffordable or so regulated that Americans cannot obtain them. I said it may not be an immediate problem to you, depending on where you live, but lead is bad news to small children at low levels. It may be a small problem to you, but it will be a problem to some one. I'm just sayin', be aware. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude http://english.aljazeera.net/video/m...515308172.html |
Environmental Protection Agency considering a ban on lead ammunition | Washington Examiner
In article ,
"Wallace" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "NapalmHeart" wrote: "lil abner" wrote in message ... http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...fidential/envi orn mental-protection-agency-considering-a-ban-on-lead-ammunition-101492439.h tml Backdoor attempt by anti-gunners to restrict firearms rights. Death by a million cuts methodology. There are alternatives to lead in ammunition, but it raises the cost substantially. Common sense is needed with this issue. The common sense of not polluting the environment, or the common sense that the EPA won't mess with the NRA in an election year? the common sense that expended lead ammunition is not hazardous waste. Apparently it is. |
Environmental Protection Agency considering a ban on lead ammunition | Washington Examiner
"Dave Moorman" wrote in message ... In article , "Wallace" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "NapalmHeart" wrote: "lil abner" wrote in message ... http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...fidential/envi orn mental-protection-agency-considering-a-ban-on-lead-ammunition-101492439.h tml Backdoor attempt by anti-gunners to restrict firearms rights. Death by a million cuts methodology. There are alternatives to lead in ammunition, but it raises the cost substantially. Common sense is needed with this issue. The common sense of not polluting the environment, or the common sense that the EPA won't mess with the NRA in an election year? the common sense that expended lead ammunition is not hazardous waste. Apparently it is. But not at the quantity that is being injected. By example the level of lead from most industrial applications (coal slag being but one) is far in excess than ammunition lead in the continental USA. IF EPA was working on logic and not political agenda coal slag by itself would be much more attention. Not sure but working from memory coal slag has been getting little or NONE for near 10 years. |
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