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A thought on unemployment benefits
YukonBound wrote:
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Charles C." wrote in message ... While watching Keith Olberman's "Countdown" show last evening in which he featured a segment on a couple who had lost their jobs, I had a thought on how the unemployment insurance programs might be modified. The husband had worked in the auto parts industry all his adult life but his job was eliminated. Despite efforts to find a new, similar job he, like many, had found that his job was gone, not to return. He acknowledged finding a new job, requiring him to start over in a new career and at a low starting wage. He freely admitted that it did not make sense for him to take the new job because he was better off financially collecting unemployment benefits. He wants to work, but has to do the best thing money-wise to keep his house, etc. Many are in the same boat. Since many jobs are gone for good and people are going to have to start new careers with lower pay due to little or no experience, my thought was this: Rather than continue to extend full unemployment benefits during this critical economy, structure the unemployment funding as a subsidy to the new, lower pay scale common to a new job in which one has no experience. Benefits would be tied to the last year's earnings before being layed off. The combined new job pay and the subsidized income from the unemployment fund would equal some percentage (say 75-90 percent) of the previous income. This benefit would last for a period of 2 years ... sufficient time to become trained and knowledgeable in the new job. This would cut the amount of money currently being paid out in unemployment benefits, provide an incentive for new jobs resulting in lower unemployment. Note: This is a totally non-partisan idea. No blame cast on the left or right. This basic concept has been talked about for a long time. I find it truly loony that if you say you're in school, e.g., training for a new career, you're unemployment benefits suffer. Of course, this would be unpopular, mainly because it's a complicated explanation... not that it doesn't make some sense. Welcome back Ms Plume. Your legion of admirers sure did miss you..................... you are all they could talk about. Did you buy a boat? I probably won't see your reply until late Monday. We're taking mom and my oldest sister to beautiful Cape Breton. My youngest sister and her husband will meet us there as we visit my #3 sister. Gag |
OT Solar water heaters (was unemployment)
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:29:20 -0500, Jim wrote: wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 07:19:30 -0500, Jim wrote: According to the site they sell for Florida homes too. http://solarroofs.com/index.html#customers Browse at your leisure. I browsed and I see the "certifications" I still do not see a NRTL listed and there are a lot of building departments that will not issue you a permit without one. This is what the Florida IAEI (electrical inspectors) has to say about it. the consensus is "It needs to be certified by a NRTL." http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthre....html#Post7273 You have to read the whole thing. The inspector from Cape Coral said he'd pass an FSEC approved system. FSEC has tested and approved the Skyline systems. The pool system they were arguing about had components with no ratings at all, and the system wasn't FSEC approved. Looks like those inspectors don't have their act together. They should straighten themselves out, get with the new technology, and get the definitive answer about what FSEC system approval means. Yet the city of Northport says no (Bryan Holland) No, he was talking about a non-FSEC approved pool system. It had components with no certs, and wasn't an FSEC approved system. The Cape Coral inspector butted in with FSEC approved systems. Which he said he passes, and he laid out the rules. Seemed clear to me if FSEC approves a system the inspectors should have no problem with it. But except for the Cape Coral guy, nobody was talking about an FSEC approved system. Florida is spending a lot of money for FSEC testing and certification of these solar systems. And they are being installed throughout the state. I highly doubt an inspector would buck FSEC certification. Wouldn't add to his job security. If you are climbing around on your roof with these collectors and don't have a permit, you are just trusting none of your neighbors are mad at you about anything or just condo commander types who want to do the right thing Building departments are really looking for work these days. Some are just driving around looking for violations, simply to keep their job. If there's a chance of getting caught, get the permit. Simple as that. And if you do that, you talk to the inspector about the system first so you're in sync and there's no surprises. The problem is if your BO is a guy who thinks you need NRTL listing and that is more common than not. If an inspector doesn't know about FSEC certification he should be fired. And jailed. You also notice it is only the collector that is certified, not the controller or the pump. No, looks to me that all collectors have SRCC certs. FSEC probably requires that before they'll test for their system cert. That's a guess. The Skyline system came to FSEC with a SRCC collector cert, then FSEC issued its cert after system testing. I saw somewhere FSEC also tests the PV's during their system test. For the Skyline the PV runs a 12v pump. You can see the extent of the FSEC program and testing regime by googling for it. Here http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/en/certifica...ards/index.htm You can also find the FSEC system certs for the Skyline systems. ACR International. That is why I say they really need a federal program, endorsed by OSHA (the people who certify a NRTL) to get system certifications without kicking that $100,000 U/L tar baby. Why complicate things? You remind me of a worry wart. Sounds like you just want to make trouble. Act like a damn Floridian. We don't need fed interference for solar hot water heater certification. In fact, FSEC is the most important solar hot water cert nationwide. You should be proud. I am. And tell your inspector compadres to listen up. FSEC is the new sheriff in town. Jim - Damn, I wish I had an FSEC badge and a gun. And a hat. I'd show them inspectors a thing or two. Especially the ones hanging around in that biker bar in Bartow. And gfretwell too if he's in there. |
A thought on unemployment benefits
"Larry" wrote in message
... YukonBound wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Charles C." wrote in message ... While watching Keith Olberman's "Countdown" show last evening in which he featured a segment on a couple who had lost their jobs, I had a thought on how the unemployment insurance programs might be modified. The husband had worked in the auto parts industry all his adult life but his job was eliminated. Despite efforts to find a new, similar job he, like many, had found that his job was gone, not to return. He acknowledged finding a new job, requiring him to start over in a new career and at a low starting wage. He freely admitted that it did not make sense for him to take the new job because he was better off financially collecting unemployment benefits. He wants to work, but has to do the best thing money-wise to keep his house, etc. Many are in the same boat. Since many jobs are gone for good and people are going to have to start new careers with lower pay due to little or no experience, my thought was this: Rather than continue to extend full unemployment benefits during this critical economy, structure the unemployment funding as a subsidy to the new, lower pay scale common to a new job in which one has no experience. Benefits would be tied to the last year's earnings before being layed off. The combined new job pay and the subsidized income from the unemployment fund would equal some percentage (say 75-90 percent) of the previous income. This benefit would last for a period of 2 years ... sufficient time to become trained and knowledgeable in the new job. This would cut the amount of money currently being paid out in unemployment benefits, provide an incentive for new jobs resulting in lower unemployment. Note: This is a totally non-partisan idea. No blame cast on the left or right. This basic concept has been talked about for a long time. I find it truly loony that if you say you're in school, e.g., training for a new career, you're unemployment benefits suffer. Of course, this would be unpopular, mainly because it's a complicated explanation... not that it doesn't make some sense. Welcome back Ms Plume. Your legion of admirers sure did miss you..................... you are all they could talk about. Did you buy a boat? I probably won't see your reply until late Monday. We're taking mom and my oldest sister to beautiful Cape Breton. My youngest sister and her husband will meet us there as we visit my #3 sister. Gag Really. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID. |
A thought on unemployment benefits
"Larry" wrote in message ... YukonBound wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Charles C." wrote in message ... While watching Keith Olberman's "Countdown" show last evening in which he featured a segment on a couple who had lost their jobs, I had a thought on how the unemployment insurance programs might be modified. The husband had worked in the auto parts industry all his adult life but his job was eliminated. Despite efforts to find a new, similar job he, like many, had found that his job was gone, not to return. He acknowledged finding a new job, requiring him to start over in a new career and at a low starting wage. He freely admitted that it did not make sense for him to take the new job because he was better off financially collecting unemployment benefits. He wants to work, but has to do the best thing money-wise to keep his house, etc. Many are in the same boat. Since many jobs are gone for good and people are going to have to start new careers with lower pay due to little or no experience, my thought was this: Rather than continue to extend full unemployment benefits during this critical economy, structure the unemployment funding as a subsidy to the new, lower pay scale common to a new job in which one has no experience. Benefits would be tied to the last year's earnings before being layed off. The combined new job pay and the subsidized income from the unemployment fund would equal some percentage (say 75-90 percent) of the previous income. This benefit would last for a period of 2 years ... sufficient time to become trained and knowledgeable in the new job. This would cut the amount of money currently being paid out in unemployment benefits, provide an incentive for new jobs resulting in lower unemployment. Note: This is a totally non-partisan idea. No blame cast on the left or right. This basic concept has been talked about for a long time. I find it truly loony that if you say you're in school, e.g., training for a new career, you're unemployment benefits suffer. Of course, this would be unpopular, mainly because it's a complicated explanation... not that it doesn't make some sense. Welcome back Ms Plume. Your legion of admirers sure did miss you..................... you are all they could talk about. Did you buy a boat? I probably won't see your reply until late Monday. We're taking mom and my oldest sister to beautiful Cape Breton. My youngest sister and her husband will meet us there as we visit my #3 sister. Gag We don't want to know what you're gagging on... really! |
A thought on unemployment benefits
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 12:13:42 -0500, Jim wrote:
My wife just got cold called to go sell road signs for $70,000 a year plus expenses and benefits so some people can still find work. Sure she did. And I just got a cold call offering me a great opportunity to sell phone booth services to local merchants. There are definitely jobs out there for people with the right skils and are willing to work. I was talking on the phone today with a Marine Refrigeration and Air Conditioning company in Naples, FL about a repair and parts issue with our trawler. Apparently they thought I knew what I was talking about since they offered me a job sight unseen. I politely declined and money was never discussed. Around here A/C and refrigeration guys charge about $85/hour, same as diesel mechanics which are also in short supply. |
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A thought on unemployment benefits
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A thought on unemployment benefits
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:53:32 -0400, wrote: I have people trying to get me back into the computer business from time to time but I would rather do just about anything else. There is certainly a lot of opportunity but it is not hardware, it is just integrating PC software. Plenty of windshield and telephone time, frustrating support structures and buggy applications. I would rather work on a shrimp boat. ;-) Maybe. :-) My diesel mechanic used to own a small fleet of shrimp boats at FMB but gave it up mostly as a result of low priced imported shrimp taking the profit out of it. I think the best computer opportunities are with networking and security but I'm kind of enjoying retirement. My loving 48 year old bride won't let me retire until she does, dammit. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID. |
A thought on unemployment benefits
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A thought on unemployment benefits
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 12:13:42 -0500, Jim wrote: My wife just got cold called to go sell road signs for $70,000 a year plus expenses and benefits so some people can still find work. Sure she did. And I just got a cold call offering me a great opportunity to sell phone booth services to local merchants. There are definitely jobs out there for people with the right skils and are willing to work. I was talking on the phone today with a Marine Refrigeration and Air Conditioning company in Naples, FL about a repair and parts issue with our trawler. Apparently they thought I knew what I was talking about since they offered me a job sight unseen. I politely declined and money was never discussed. Around here A/C and refrigeration guys charge about $85/hour, same as diesel mechanics which are also in short supply. There's always unfilled jobs, even in a deep recession. And retired guys are always being offered jobs, even in a deep recession. Those already working are offered jobs, even in a deep recession. Jobs are like musical chairs. When the real unemployment rate is probably close to 20%, there just ain't enough chairs. No matter how you spin it. Jim - I'll sit down now. |
OT Solar water heaters (was unemployment)
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I am a real softie in that crowd. Most of them are hard core "if it ain't NRTL listed, don't even bother unpacking the box". The law will back them up every time. BTW I have a question in to the Lee County building department asking if a FSEC certified system can be installed if it is not NRTL listed. I will post the answer. That's a beginning. Then if they say no the next step is to call FSEC and and a couple of manufacturers of FSEC certified solar systems and tell them your local inspector won't allow the systems. Even though thousands of of FSEC certified systems are being installed though the state with inspector approval. Then you'll eventually find the ending when they get their acts together. Solar systems are relatively new and a very small part of inspector duties. I've always found that rigid ideologues who buck the tide of common sense get tossed. And an inspector nail sticking up against common sense will get hammered down. An inspector is in essence just another CYA bureaucrat. If I cared I would start he http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/people/directory.php?d=do My question would be what to do about a local inspector who is negating FSEC's hard work and not allowing the progress of solar systems. I would say the FSEC's work is meaningless to me and everybody else in my locality because your certification is ignored by the inspector. Maybe he'll just answer by saying "Hey, you live in a locality of twit inspectors and there's nothing I can do. Move, or live with it." And maybe he'll say, "Give the FSEC Marshall this joker's name and he'll set him straight." If I cared about solar I would raise all kinds of hell if an inspector told me he wouldn't approve a FSEC certified Skyline system. BTW, we're still not clear on Bryan's problem. He never mentioned an actual system, just that a company was installing a system. And it appeared to me the company was using using components that had never been tested as a system by FSEC. Our solar companies and inspector troops need some FSEC leadership on solar. Jim - Looking for solutions, not looking to make more problems. |
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A thought on unemployment benefits
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:25:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:53:32 -0400, wrote: I have people trying to get me back into the computer business from time to time but I would rather do just about anything else. There is certainly a lot of opportunity but it is not hardware, it is just integrating PC software. Plenty of windshield and telephone time, frustrating support structures and buggy applications. I would rather work on a shrimp boat. ;-) Maybe. :-) My diesel mechanic used to own a small fleet of shrimp boats at FMB but gave it up mostly as a result of low priced imported shrimp taking the profit out of it. I think the best computer opportunities are with networking and security but I'm kind of enjoying retirement. Here in SW Florida there is a crying need for small system integrators. Small businesses have a kludge of PCs running systems that do not talk to each other. If you could assemble a suite of small business software that also included POS, security, inventory, payroll maintenance logs and scheduling, there are about 200 gated communities who would beat a path to your door. Maybe. But it's doubtful they would pay the price. A "professionally" integrated system and supporting it is very costly, if you mean writing and supporting software. There's alway resident PC "experts" to knock down any such idea down and say they can cobble together various cheap software packages to do the job. And they do. Might not be elegant, and might be troublesome. Guess what. So are "professionally" designed integrated systems. They just cost a lot more, and the price usually just increases as the customers demand "customization." Intuit's Quickbooks does a lot of what you mentioned. You could fairly easily work out an integrated system with stock Quickbooks within its customization scope, writing work procedures for integration of module data where necessary, backups, security, etc, etc. Then try to demonstrate and sell the installation, work procedures, support and training to the small business. There's licensing issues to consider, but that looks to be the business owners responsibility. You can probably get by with a relatively simple contract. For one thing it would have to spell out you won't be responsible for expenses caused by Quickbooks bugs. I can guarantee they'll crawl out. Maybe DePlume could be your lawyer. I have the feeling that if that was a profitable use of time, plenty of out of work IT people would be attempting it. But you should knock it around at your wife's company. Might be doable. The biggest impediment to selling personal software services to small business has always been the resident PC "experts." Always has been. Seen it in my own family with business owners. You do your best to keep overhead low and pro software people are expensive. Even the bad ones. Hey, there's plenty of resident PC "experts" right here. Just ask Harry. Everybody's an expert now. It's the Age of Experts. Jim - Don't ask me. I don't know. Ask an expert. |
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A thought on unemployment benefits
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:00:43 -0500, Jim wrote: What they are doing now isn't cheap. They don't really have any experts but the board does fall for whatever "magic bean" salesman who comes by. That is how they got so many different, incompatible systems. Makes it even worse. First you have to prove the malfeasance of the board members who are getting kickbacks from those salesmen, or prove a conflict of interest. It's usually there. Might be just the free lunches at nice eateries the winning salesmen lavish on the right board members. Might be the salesman is a friend of a very good friend. But it's probably there. That's how bad systems come about. Could be they are all just incompetent to make such decisions. That would be a lucky coincidence, because then you have a chance to sell them a decent system on an honest basis. That probably means tossing all the other systems out. You'll make a lot of friends. Good luck. Try to stay a decent man when you get into marketing. Jim - I gave up sales when honesty didn't work. Bass-o-matic. http://www.hulu.com/watch/19046/satu...ive-bassomatic |
A thought on unemployment benefits
bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 17:27:57 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:15:36 -0400, Harry wrote: One thing that nobody talks about is the number of marginal employees an employer has the luxury of letting go of in times like this. Or the good ones close to vesting in a company pension. Companies have pensions? That surprises me. IBM pretty much did away with pensions in 1996. i just joined my current company 2 years ago. they have a pension...which i'll get 500 in 10 years Nice! |
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