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On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 18:13:16 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

Most Americans do give a **** and that's why they refuse to purchase
products that are high dollar and don't last as long as the low dollar
products.

Yeah, that's why they're purchasing Communist Chinese goods at a
record pace at Walmart.

I have a toaster that was built in the 40's and it works great. Have
you seen what they sell nowadays?

You need to think before you type.

How many toasters were made in the USA in the 1940's? Certainly not
enough for each current household in the USA to own one.

Most Americans don't give a ****, they just want it to be cheap. When
it breaks, they throw it in the trash and buy another.

When I can go and buy a toaster for $14.99
(http://www.amazon.com/Proctor-2-2dSl...ck-2f-2822608-
29/dp/B000R4HHGO/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&s=kitchen&qid=1280700140&sr=1-12)
why would I want to buy one for twice or three times the cost. Is it
going to toast the bread any better? No. Is it cosast effective to get a
$14.99 toaster fixed? No.

And, I seriously doubt that I could have bought a $14.99 type toaster in
1948 for the $1.56 that it convernts to.

Whoosh. How long do you think the 14.99 toaster is going to last? A
few years. Then it goes in the land fill and you spend 16.99 for an
even ****ier one.

Thanks for making my point.

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On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 20:00:30 -0400, Harry ?
wrote:

On 8/1/10 6:49 PM, YukonBound wrote:


"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
Most American consumers no longer know the difference. Remember, this
is a country where a significant percentage of the population believes
Sarah Palin is qualified intellectually to hold high political office.


Lord help us all. The 'End Times' prophesy must be coming true!


A clear indicator!

I agree. She's the second coming... of Anita Bryant!!!

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In article ,
says...

On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 18:13:16 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

Most Americans do give a **** and that's why they refuse to purchase
products that are high dollar and don't last as long as the low dollar
products.

Yeah, that's why they're purchasing Communist Chinese goods at a
record pace at Walmart.

I have a toaster that was built in the 40's and it works great. Have
you seen what they sell nowadays?

You need to think before you type.

How many toasters were made in the USA in the 1940's? Certainly not
enough for each current household in the USA to own one.

Most Americans don't give a ****, they just want it to be cheap. When
it breaks, they throw it in the trash and buy another.

When I can go and buy a toaster for $14.99
(http://www.amazon.com/Proctor-2-2dSl...ck-2f-2822608-
29/dp/B000R4HHGO/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&s=kitchen&qid=1280700140&sr=1-12)
why would I want to buy one for twice or three times the cost. Is it
going to toast the bread any better? No. Is it cosast effective to get a
$14.99 toaster fixed? No.

And, I seriously doubt that I could have bought a $14.99 type toaster in
1948 for the $1.56 that it convernts to.

Whoosh. How long do you think the 14.99 toaster is going to last? A
few years. Then it goes in the land fill and you spend 16.99 for an
even ****ier one.

Thanks for making my point.

If it last me 15 years than it was a bargain to me. My current toaster
is about 12 years old and it was free.

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In article ,
says...

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
On 8/1/10 8:35 AM, YukonBound wrote:


"Harry ?" wrote in message
...

We know U.S. corporations have no compunction about firing workers in
order to further enrich their execs, and apparently they are the same
way about their products, too.

One of my computer printers is dying. A competent repair shop
diagnosed it and informed me a certain part needed replacing. The
printer is a couple of years old and parts are available, but the
manufacturer will not sell the part in question, even to its
authorized service depots.

So I called the printer company Friday, and, after brushing off its
first line of defense, a barely English-speaking clown in India (I
asked, he told me where he was*), I got connected to a series of
U.S.-based service/technical folks.

At the end, the best deal I was offered was to buy a new printer from
the company at a "special price," which was *only* $50 more than
anyone could buy it for from any of at least 100 retailers.

The company I was dealing with used to have a stellar reputation. No
more.

Anyway, this leads me to wonder if anyone is maintaining a list of
those U.S. companies that still provide good products and good service.




* I have nothing against India or people from that area, but when
these people are hired as the first line of service for U.S.
corporations to deal with U.S. customers, they ought to have decent
facility with...English.


We were watching Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story' last night.
Unbelievable what American leaders and CEOs did to the middle class...
especially during Ronnie's years.
Anyone still around should be tried for treason and shot.


We need an emergency and temporary change in the tax laws that says that
if your corporation is making a substantial profit now, and you aren't
hiring Americans, your tax breaks...all of them...disappear.


Too bad you aren't a law maker.
Why aren't you?

Because that is beneath me.

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In article ,
says...

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
Most American consumers no longer know the difference. Remember, this is a
country where a significant percentage of the population believes Sarah
Palin is qualified intellectually to hold high political office.


Lord help us all. The 'End Times' prophesy must be coming true!

I'll see you in our own little paradise, little buddy...MUUUAAA!

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On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 10:52:50 -0600, Canuck57 wrote:

On 01/08/2010 6:20 AM, Harry ? wrote:

We know U.S. corporations have no compunction about firing workers in
order to further enrich their execs, and apparently they are the same
way about their products, too.

One of my computer printers is dying. A competent repair shop diagnosed
it and informed me a certain part needed replacing. The printer is a
couple of years old and parts are available, but the manufacturer will
not sell the part in question, even to its authorized service depots.

So I called the printer company Friday, and, after brushing off its
first line of defense, a barely English-speaking clown in India (I
asked, he told me where he was*), I got connected to a series of
U.S.-based service/technical folks.

At the end, the best deal I was offered was to buy a new printer from
the company at a "special price," which was *only* $50 more than anyone
could buy it for from any of at least 100 retailers.

The company I was dealing with used to have a stellar reputation. No more.

Anyway, this leads me to wonder if anyone is maintaining a list of those
U.S. companies that still provide good products and good service.

There is none that I know of except Costco. Buy most of my stuff there
too. One of the few retail chains I will deal with. Used to deal with
Sams Club but they don't have an aoutlet around here.

Besides, Costco has the best hot dogs going. Pizza's not bad either.
--

John H

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On Aug 2, 11:32*am, John H wrote:
On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 10:52:50 -0600, Canuck57 wrote:
On 01/08/2010 6:20 AM, Harry ? wrote:

We know U.S. corporations have no compunction about firing workers in
order to further enrich their execs, and apparently they are the same
way about their products, too.

One of my computer printers is dying. A competent repair shop diagnosed
it and informed me a certain part needed replacing. The printer is a
couple of years old and parts are available, but the manufacturer will
not sell the part in question, even to its authorized service depots.

So I called the printer company Friday, and, after brushing off its
first line of defense, a barely English-speaking clown in India (I
asked, he told me where he was*), I got connected to a series of
U.S.-based service/technical folks.

At the end, the best deal I was offered was to buy a new printer from
the company at a "special price," which was *only* $50 more than anyone
could buy it for from any of at least 100 retailers.

The company I was dealing with used to have a stellar reputation. No more.

Anyway, this leads me to wonder if anyone is maintaining a list of those
U.S. companies that still provide good products and good service.

There is none that I know of except Costco. *Buy most of my stuff there
too. *One of the few retail chains I will deal with. *Used to deal with
Sams Club but they don't have an aoutlet around here.

Besides, Costco has the best hot dogs going. Pizza's not bad either.
--

John H

All of my office computers were locally "built" with oversized power
supplies in oversized cases. This way we can simply replace the
mother boards and easily put various cards into them. All of them are
about 10 yrs old but all have very new guts.
My "Firestorm" rechargeable drill charger just failed. I cannot
complain too much because I did use it to build my Tolman Skiff,
still, maybe it is a simple fix. Took apart charger, ehhh, burnt out
resistors and diodes, not worth my time. If Lowes sells a new
charger, I'll buy one, if not, Maybe I will buy another rechargeable
drill.
At work, a $6000 HV power supply failed (OK, I shorted it at 50 KV).
We spent about two weeks trying to fix it because Spellman would not
do so. Finally gave up and found Spellman now sells a replacement for
$1750, SOLD.
At work, I have 3 1981 era JEOL 35C electron microscopes. I bought
the first on E-bay for $2500, had it shipped here for $2000, plugged
in, pumped down and it works, amazing. Original paperwork from
Chevron says they paid $250,000 for it in 1981 and added another
$250,000 of bells and whistles (which we got with it). I got the next
one from JEOL for free as a favor if I paid shipping of $1500 and the
third was also from E-bay. So, we keep the two for spares for the
first. Service engineers no longer know how to work on these old
machines, everything is computerized these days.

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On 8/2/10 12:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 2, 11:32 am, John wrote:
On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 10:52:50 -0600, wrote:
On 01/08/2010 6:20 AM, Harry ? wrote:

We know U.S. corporations have no compunction about firing workers in
order to further enrich their execs, and apparently they are the same
way about their products, too.

One of my computer printers is dying. A competent repair shop diagnosed
it and informed me a certain part needed replacing. The printer is a
couple of years old and parts are available, but the manufacturer will
not sell the part in question, even to its authorized service depots.

So I called the printer company Friday, and, after brushing off its
first line of defense, a barely English-speaking clown in India (I
asked, he told me where he was*), I got connected to a series of
U.S.-based service/technical folks.

At the end, the best deal I was offered was to buy a new printer from
the company at a "special price," which was *only* $50 more than anyone
could buy it for from any of at least 100 retailers.

The company I was dealing with used to have a stellar reputation. No more.

Anyway, this leads me to wonder if anyone is maintaining a list of those
U.S. companies that still provide good products and good service.

There is none that I know of except Costco. Buy most of my stuff there
too. One of the few retail chains I will deal with. Used to deal with
Sams Club but they don't have an aoutlet around here.

Besides, Costco has the best hot dogs going. Pizza's not bad either.
--

John H

All of my office computers were locally "built" with oversized power
supplies in oversized cases. This way we can simply replace the
mother boards and easily put various cards into them. All of them are
about 10 yrs old but all have very new guts.
My "Firestorm" rechargeable drill charger just failed. I cannot
complain too much because I did use it to build my Tolman Skiff,
still, maybe it is a simple fix. Took apart charger, ehhh, burnt out
resistors and diodes, not worth my time. If Lowes sells a new
charger, I'll buy one, if not, Maybe I will buy another rechargeable
drill.
At work, a $6000 HV power supply failed (OK, I shorted it at 50 KV).
We spent about two weeks trying to fix it because Spellman would not
do so. Finally gave up and found Spellman now sells a replacement for
$1750, SOLD.
At work, I have 3 1981 era JEOL 35C electron microscopes. I bought
the first on E-bay for $2500, had it shipped here for $2000, plugged
in, pumped down and it works, amazing. Original paperwork from
Chevron says they paid $250,000 for it in 1981 and added another
$250,000 of bells and whistles (which we got with it). I got the next
one from JEOL for free as a favor if I paid shipping of $1500 and the
third was also from E-bay. So, we keep the two for spares for the
first. Service engineers no longer know how to work on these old
machines, everything is computerized these days.



At Frogwatch Technologies, we're 30 years behind in technology and proud
of it.

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On Aug 2, 12:36Â*pm, Harry  wrote:
On 8/2/10 12:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote:



On Aug 2, 11:32 am, John Â*wrote:
On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 10:52:50 -0600, Â*wrote:
On 01/08/2010 6:20 AM, Harry ? wrote:

We know U.S. corporations have no compunction about firing workers in
order to further enrich their execs, and apparently they are the same
way about their products, too.

One of my computer printers is dying. A competent repair shop diagnosed
it and informed me a certain part needed replacing. The printer is a
couple of years old and parts are available, but the manufacturer will
not sell the part in question, even to its authorized service depots..

So I called the printer company Friday, and, after brushing off its
first line of defense, a barely English-speaking clown in India (I
asked, he told me where he was*), I got connected to a series of
U.S.-based service/technical folks.

At the end, the best deal I was offered was to buy a new printer from
the company at a "special price," which was *only* $50 more than anyone
could buy it for from any of at least 100 retailers.

The company I was dealing with used to have a stellar reputation. No more.

Anyway, this leads me to wonder if anyone is maintaining a list of those
U.S. companies that still provide good products and good service.

There is none that I know of except Costco. Â*Buy most of my stuff there
too. Â*One of the few retail chains I will deal with. Â*Used to deal with
Sams Club but they don't have an aoutlet around here.

Besides, Costco has the best hot dogs going. Pizza's not bad either.
--

John H

All of my office computers were locally "built" with oversized power
supplies in oversized cases. Â*This way we can simply replace the
mother boards and easily put various cards into them. Â*All of them are
about 10 yrs old but all have very new guts.
My "Firestorm" rechargeable drill charger just failed. Â*I cannot
complain too much because I did use it to build my Tolman Skiff,
still, maybe it is a simple fix. Â*Took apart charger, ehhh, burnt out
resistors and diodes, not worth my time. Â*If Lowes sells a new
charger, I'll buy one, if not, Maybe I will buy another rechargeable
drill.
At work, a $6000 HV power supply failed (OK, I shorted it at 50 KV).
We spent about two weeks trying to fix it because Spellman would not
do so. Â*Finally gave up and found Spellman now sells a replacement for
$1750, SOLD.
At work, I have 3 1981 era JEOL 35C electron microscopes. Â*I bought
the first on E-bay for $2500, had it shipped here for $2000, plugged
in, pumped down and it works, amazing. Â*Original paperwork from
Chevron says they paid $250,000 for it in 1981 and added another
$250,000 of bells and whistles (which we got with it). Â*I got the next
one from JEOL for free as a favor if I paid shipping of $1500 and the
third was also from E-bay. Â*So, we keep the two for spares for the
first. Â*Service engineers no longer know how to work on these old
machines, everything is computerized these days.

At Frogwatch Technologies, we're 30 years behind in technology and proud
of it.

When your job is to make machines do stuff they were not intended to
do, you buy the old ones cuz you know yer gonna kill one or two. It
also causes recent graduates who come by to realize how little they
know about how stuff really works. These things are filled with banks
of SN7400 series ICs meaning they are easy to figure out.

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On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 09:32:49 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Aug 2, 11:32*am, John H wrote:
On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 10:52:50 -0600, Canuck57 wrote:
On 01/08/2010 6:20 AM, Harry ? wrote:

We know U.S. corporations have no compunction about firing workers in
order to further enrich their execs, and apparently they are the same
way about their products, too.

One of my computer printers is dying. A competent repair shop diagnosed
it and informed me a certain part needed replacing. The printer is a
couple of years old and parts are available, but the manufacturer will
not sell the part in question, even to its authorized service depots.

So I called the printer company Friday, and, after brushing off its
first line of defense, a barely English-speaking clown in India (I
asked, he told me where he was*), I got connected to a series of
U.S.-based service/technical folks.

At the end, the best deal I was offered was to buy a new printer from
the company at a "special price," which was *only* $50 more than anyone
could buy it for from any of at least 100 retailers.

The company I was dealing with used to have a stellar reputation. No more.

Anyway, this leads me to wonder if anyone is maintaining a list of those
U.S. companies that still provide good products and good service.

There is none that I know of except Costco. *Buy most of my stuff there
too. *One of the few retail chains I will deal with. *Used to deal with
Sams Club but they don't have an aoutlet around here.

Besides, Costco has the best hot dogs going. Pizza's not bad either.
--

John H

All of my office computers were locally "built" with oversized power
supplies in oversized cases. This way we can simply replace the
mother boards and easily put various cards into them. All of them are
about 10 yrs old but all have very new guts.
My "Firestorm" rechargeable drill charger just failed. I cannot
complain too much because I did use it to build my Tolman Skiff,
still, maybe it is a simple fix. Took apart charger, ehhh, burnt out
resistors and diodes, not worth my time. If Lowes sells a new
charger, I'll buy one, if not, Maybe I will buy another rechargeable
drill.
At work, a $6000 HV power supply failed (OK, I shorted it at 50 KV).
We spent about two weeks trying to fix it because Spellman would not
do so. Finally gave up and found Spellman now sells a replacement for
$1750, SOLD.
At work, I have 3 1981 era JEOL 35C electron microscopes. I bought
the first on E-bay for $2500, had it shipped here for $2000, plugged
in, pumped down and it works, amazing. Original paperwork from
Chevron says they paid $250,000 for it in 1981 and added another
$250,000 of bells and whistles (which we got with it). I got the next
one from JEOL for free as a favor if I paid shipping of $1500 and the
third was also from E-bay. So, we keep the two for spares for the
first. Service engineers no longer know how to work on these old
machines, everything is computerized these days.

FWIW, I've had the DeWalt rechargeable stuff for several years now. Never had a
charger go bad, but have had batteries go bad. A local place, Batteries Plus,
will rebuild the DeWalt battery for less than half the cost of a new one. Don't
know if they have them where you are, but they do good work.
--

John H