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John H[_2_] July 25th 10 03:00 PM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
....the priority in the DC school system.

http://tinyurl.com/2g5jg6z

Liberals better be careful. Start educating folks and the Dems will start losing
power.
--

John H

Harry  July 25th 10 03:32 PM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
On 7/25/10 10:00 AM, John H wrote:
...the priority in the DC school system.

http://tinyurl.com/2g5jg6z

Liberals better be careful. Start educating folks and the Dems will start losing
power.



http://tinyurl.com/yew6cc5

YukonBound July 25th 10 03:39 PM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 


"John H" wrote in message
...
...the priority in the DC school system.

http://tinyurl.com/2g5jg6z

Liberals better be careful. Start educating folks and the Dems will start
losing
power.
--

John H


Too bad they weren't a bit more selective when you were substituting!


Harold[_3_] July 25th 10 03:57 PM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
"Harry ?" wrote in message
m...
On 7/25/10 10:00 AM, John H wrote:
...the priority in the DC school system.

http://tinyurl.com/2g5jg6z

Liberals better be careful. Start educating folks and the Dems will start
losing
power.



http://tinyurl.com/yew6cc5



32 minutes to swallow that bait. You're slowing down Harry. Seriously, is
this the beginning of the end of teachers unions? Will Bam Bam come down on
the side of the kids or the unions? Tough call for him because kids can't
vote. But on the other hand he did say he would foster quality education.
Was that another lie?

--
Harold



Harry  July 25th 10 04:05 PM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
On 7/25/10 10:57 AM, Harold wrote:
"Harry wrote in message
m...
On 7/25/10 10:00 AM, John H wrote:
...the priority in the DC school system.

http://tinyurl.com/2g5jg6z

Liberals better be careful. Start educating folks and the Dems will start
losing
power.



http://tinyurl.com/yew6cc5



32 minutes to swallow that bait. You're slowing down Harry. Seriously, is
this the beginning of the end of teachers unions? Will Bam Bam come down on
the side of the kids or the unions? Tough call for him because kids can't
vote. But on the other hand he did say he would foster quality education.
Was that another lie?



Pointing out that herring is trolling is swallowing the bait? Did you go
to the Sarah Palin School of Language Misuse?

I didn't read whatever it was herring posted. I assumed that because it
was from herring, it was an attempt to troll.

My assumption here is if the post is from one of the right-wing scumbags
here and appears political, it is either racist, wrong, a lie, stupid,
or all of the above. "Right-wing scumbags" includes you, herring, jack,
Dan the Larry, Tosk the Mental Cripple, and a few others.


Harold[_3_] July 25th 10 04:20 PM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
"Harry ?" wrote in message
m...
On 7/25/10 10:57 AM, Harold wrote:
"Harry wrote in message
m...
On 7/25/10 10:00 AM, John H wrote:
...the priority in the DC school system.

http://tinyurl.com/2g5jg6z

Liberals better be careful. Start educating folks and the Dems will
start
losing
power.


http://tinyurl.com/yew6cc5



32 minutes to swallow that bait. You're slowing down Harry. Seriously, is
this the beginning of the end of teachers unions? Will Bam Bam come down
on
the side of the kids or the unions? Tough call for him because kids can't
vote. But on the other hand he did say he would foster quality education.
Was that another lie?



Pointing out that herring is trolling is swallowing the bait? Did you go
to the Sarah Palin School of Language Misuse?



You didn't point out anything.

You did put up a munged link that could easily be an executable virus.

--
Harold



Harry  July 25th 10 04:30 PM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
On 7/25/10 11:20 AM, Harold wrote:
"Harry wrote in message
m...
On 7/25/10 10:57 AM, Harold wrote:
"Harry wrote in message
m...
On 7/25/10 10:00 AM, John H wrote:
...the priority in the DC school system.

http://tinyurl.com/2g5jg6z

Liberals better be careful. Start educating folks and the Dems will
start
losing
power.


http://tinyurl.com/yew6cc5


32 minutes to swallow that bait. You're slowing down Harry. Seriously, is
this the beginning of the end of teachers unions? Will Bam Bam come down
on
the side of the kids or the unions? Tough call for him because kids can't
vote. But on the other hand he did say he would foster quality education.
Was that another lie?



Pointing out that herring is trolling is swallowing the bait? Did you go
to the Sarah Palin School of Language Misuse?



You didn't point out anything.

You did put up a munged link that could easily be an executable virus.



Naw. It's just a wee "Successful Troll" video, successful because
herring managed to post a URL which, considering his advanced state pf
deterioration, is remarkable.

Remember, if herring posts it, it is a troll.

BTW, did you catch the latest Andy Borowitz...he's a great fan of Ms.
Palin's:

Next week’s news: Sarah Palin edition
July 23rd, 2010

This week we’re peering a little further into the futu to 2012.

If the presidential election were held today, Sarah Palin would defeat
Barack Obama.

That’s according to a new poll published in Mayan Prophecy Weekly.

Here’s what you need to know about a Palin presidency. Her first
official act will be to cancel the agreement between nouns and verbs.
Next, she’ll replace the English language with Palinese: a language
known only to her. Even her husband Todd doesn’t speak it -– although,
to be fair, no one has ever heard him speak. We got a little taste of
this strange new language last week on her twitter page when she used
the word “refudiate.”

Now, when she uses a word like “refudiate,” she may seem incoherent. But
in 2012, we’re all going to be talking like this, so we better start
learning Palinese now. I figure if we learn three words a day, in two
years we might have a shot at understanding her State of the Union
address. So let’s begin our lesson in basic Palinese.

Word number one: “mitteracy.”

“Mitteracy” means the ability to read off one’s hand.

Word number two: “rignorance.”

“Rignorance” means advocating deep-water drilling in the aftermath of an
ecological disaster that killed thousands of pelicans.

And finally, “mooseacre.”

“Mooseacre” means a really fun day in the great outdoors.

That’s our lesson in Palinese for today. Now, you may be wondering:
Where does Sarah Palin find all these new words of hers? In a little
book called the fictionary.



Oh, wait...you right-wing ejaculates hate Jews, too. Sorry, Andy...they
probably won't like your column.


Canuck57[_9_] July 25th 10 05:44 PM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
On 25/07/2010 8:00 AM, John H wrote:
...the priority in the DC school system.

http://tinyurl.com/2g5jg6z

Liberals better be careful. Start educating folks and the Dems will start losing
power.


As long as it is done statistically and fairly, removing the politicis
out of it -- could be good and revolutionary. Teachers should be ranked.

But if not statistically and impartially as possible, justifies why a
union needs to dig in.

For example if a teacher with ghetto students is rated against say
against a teacher middle class without adjustments, this would be
wholely unfair. In the ghetto, children go home and worry about srvival
and education does not mater. In middle class the child goes ome and
does homework and parents talk up education futures...teh stock of
quality students may vary to demogrphics.

You could get the opposite effect. If you solely rate a teacher on most
improved, you might drain the middle class shool teachers of value to
the ghetto where the largest improvements can be had. This would not be
good as you trash a sucessful school for the needs of a failing one.
When both need to have the bars raised.

One thing not discussed in the article, are admin staff like principles
and superintendants also rated this way? Teaching is a team excercise,
as a teacher is often powerless to correct issues by themselves. Does
the principle back up the teacher when the teacher tells irate parents
to send their child to school fed and not high from their parents dope
smoke?

One could easily get a situation where the teacher wants to just kick
out the lowest performaers. Which might not be wholely bad, as often
they do disturb the class. But what do you do with slow learners that
disturb he class?

But at least they are looking at it. While I didn't grow up in DC, I
have noticed with the children we have had (since graduated) that math,
science and reading were not as good as it was when I grew up. And
getting a better educational system will go a long way to fixing many of
todays issues. Even makes for better voters if they can read and think
for themselves.
--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

Canuck57[_9_] July 25th 10 05:48 PM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
On 25/07/2010 8:57 AM, Harold wrote:
"Harry wrote in message
m...
On 7/25/10 10:00 AM, John H wrote:
...the priority in the DC school system.

http://tinyurl.com/2g5jg6z

Liberals better be careful. Start educating folks and the Dems will start
losing
power.



http://tinyurl.com/yew6cc5



32 minutes to swallow that bait. You're slowing down Harry. Seriously, is
this the beginning of the end of teachers unions? Will Bam Bam come down on
the side of the kids or the unions? Tough call for him because kids can't
vote. But on the other hand he did say he would foster quality education.
Was that another lie?



Depends, do the teachers unions pick up the ball and realize the product
quality of their members had better be part of the equation or not? For
if they impeed the process of teaching the children, then there is no
place for them.

For unions, could go either way.
--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

Harold[_3_] July 25th 10 05:56 PM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
On 7/25/10 11:20 AM, Harold wrote:
"Harry wrote in message
m...
On 7/25/10 10:57 AM, Harold wrote:
"Harry wrote in message
m...
On 7/25/10 10:00 AM, John H wrote:
...the priority in the DC school system.

http://tinyurl.com/2g5jg6z

Liberals better be careful. Start educating folks and the Dems will
start
losing
power.


http://tinyurl.com/yew6cc5


32 minutes to swallow that bait. You're slowing down Harry. Seriously,
is
this the beginning of the end of teachers unions? Will Bam Bam come
down
on
the side of the kids or the unions? Tough call for him because kids
can't
vote. But on the other hand he did say he would foster quality
education.
Was that another lie?



Pointing out that herring is trolling is swallowing the bait? Did you go
to the Sarah Palin School of Language Misuse?



You didn't point out anything.

You did put up a munged link that could easily be an executable virus.



Naw. It's just a wee "Successful Troll" video, successful because herring
managed to post a URL which, considering his advanced state pf
deterioration, is remarkable.

Remember, if herring posts it, it is a troll.


Sorry, you can't be trusted.

--
Harold



C. Mor Butts[_2_] July 25th 10 08:03 PM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 11:39:52 -0300, "YukonBound"
wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
.. .
...the priority in the DC school system.

http://tinyurl.com/2g5jg6z

Liberals better be careful. Start educating folks and the Dems will start
losing
power.
--

John H


Too bad they weren't a bit more selective when you were substituting!


John Herring, stupid ass.

Guess what loser? Michelle Rhee is a Democrat.

Guess what loser? She's marrying a black man who's mayor of
Sacramento and a former NBA player, Kevin Johnson.

Frosts the space formerly occupied by your balls, eh?

bpuharic July 26th 10 12:18 AM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:00:08 -0400, John H
wrote:

...the priority in the DC school system.

http://tinyurl.com/2g5jg6z

Liberals better be careful. Start educating folks and the Dems will start losing
power.


hmmm...rather strange in that obama specifically mentioned this plan
over a year ago...with approval.

and how many jobs have been lost nationwide in non union companies?

answer: about 10 million.

unions dont destroy jobs. companies do


bpuharic July 26th 10 12:19 AM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:48:09 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 25/07/2010 8:57 AM, Harold wrote:
"Harry wrote in message
m...
On 7/25/10 10:00 AM, John H wrote:
...the priority in the DC school system.

http://tinyurl.com/2g5jg6z

Liberals better be careful. Start educating folks and the Dems will start
losing
power.


http://tinyurl.com/yew6cc5



32 minutes to swallow that bait. You're slowing down Harry. Seriously, is
this the beginning of the end of teachers unions? Will Bam Bam come down on
the side of the kids or the unions? Tough call for him because kids can't
vote. But on the other hand he did say he would foster quality education.
Was that another lie?



Depends, do the teachers unions pick up the ball and realize the product
quality of their members had better be part of the equation or not? For
if they impeed the process of teaching the children, then there is no
place for them.


if only the performance of companies was held to the same standard as
union members. in the US there is no penalty for killing your
employees, firing them if they're gay, or too old or if they want to
join a union. there is no penalty for destroying 10 million jobs.

but let unions do something, and the right wing goes ballistic.

Canuck57[_9_] July 26th 10 01:20 AM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
On 25/07/2010 5:18 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:00:08 -0400, John
wrote:

...the priority in the DC school system.

http://tinyurl.com/2g5jg6z

Liberals better be careful. Start educating folks and the Dems will start losing
power.


hmmm...rather strange in that obama specifically mentioned this plan
over a year ago...with approval.

and how many jobs have been lost nationwide in non union companies?

answer: about 10 million.

unions dont destroy jobs. companies do


Bad management, corruption and unrealistic unions destroy companies.

Keep it clean and everyone wins. But unions are often we win and
everyone else looses types, when this happens, good management locks
then out cold. Replacing them if they don't come around.
--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

bpuharic July 26th 10 01:37 AM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:20:45 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 25/07/2010 5:18 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:00:08 -0400, John
wrote:

...the priority in the DC school system.

http://tinyurl.com/2g5jg6z

Liberals better be careful. Start educating folks and the Dems will start losing
power.


hmmm...rather strange in that obama specifically mentioned this plan
over a year ago...with approval.

and how many jobs have been lost nationwide in non union companies?

answer: about 10 million.

unions dont destroy jobs. companies do


Bad management, corruption and unrealistic unions destroy companies.


there are no unions in the US. and countries which DO have strong
unions also have a strong middle class.

Keep it clean and everyone wins. But unions are often we win and
everyone else looses types, when this happens, good management locks
then out cold. Replacing them if they don't come around.


fine. when you find the meta-country called the "US" where there are
unions you let me know.


bpuharic July 26th 10 01:50 AM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:46:15 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:18:07 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

and how many jobs have been lost nationwide in non union companies?

answer: about 10 million.


The other 15 million must have been union jobs


since there are no unions in the US...

and you're sayin 25M americans are unemployed?

right now there are about 15M unemployed. prior to the bush depression
there were about 5 million

so your right wing bull**** is just another fabrication


nom=de=plume[_2_] July 26th 10 02:56 AM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
...the priority in the DC school system.

http://tinyurl.com/2g5jg6z

Liberals better be careful. Start educating folks and the Dems will start
losing
power.
--

John H


I guess you (moron/liar) missed this part of the article:

"They also place the school system at the head of a national movement --
fostered in part by the Obama administration's $4.3 billion "Race to the
Top" grant competition -- to more rigorously assess teachers'
effectiveness."


bpuharic July 26th 10 04:39 AM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:28:55 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:50:01 -0400, bpuharic wrote:


since there are no unions in the US...

and you're sayin 25M americans are unemployed?

right now there are about 15M unemployed. prior to the bush depression
there were about 5 million


The only reason unemployment was that low was because of the housing
boom where anyone with a rusty hammer could get a job building houses.


uh...unemployment was at about 4.5%. virtually every industry had full
employment.

Unemployment is roughly what it was in 2001-2002 after the recession
Bush inherited from Clinton when the dot com bubble burst. (the blame
for these things seem to be able to go back a year and a half now
don't they?)


bush inherited a balanced budget and ****ed it away with a war that
cost a trillion dollars

funny how you ignore that. no doubt because bush is white

and the dot com bubble? i was in the middle of it. it had nothing to
do with govt. i worked for lucent technologies. tech managers have
bigger egos than a goodyear blimp.

just like hedgefund managers


so your right wing bull**** is just another fabrication



You seem to be able to pull numbers out of your ass with impunity like
"100 million middle class workers". Why can't I?

I am including all the people who's union jobs the union couldn't save
so now they are working at the 7-11.


we have no unions in the US. you wanna blame monsters in under the bed
instead?


nom=de=plume[_2_] July 26th 10 04:56 AM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:50:01 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:46:15 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:18:07 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

and how many jobs have been lost nationwide in non union companies?

answer: about 10 million.

The other 15 million must have been union jobs


since there are no unions in the US...

and you're sayin 25M americans are unemployed?

right now there are about 15M unemployed. prior to the bush depression
there were about 5 million


The only reason unemployment was that low was because of the housing
boom where anyone with a rusty hammer could get a job building houses.
Unemployment is roughly what it was in 2001-2002 after the recession
Bush inherited from Clinton when the dot com bubble burst. (the blame
for these things seem to be able to go back a year and a half now
don't they?)


More nonsense...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_2000s_recession

Clinton has a surplus going and GWB crapped all over it.

so your right wing bull**** is just another fabrication



You seem to be able to pull numbers out of your ass with impunity like
"100 million middle class workers". Why can't I?


So, you admit you made it up.


I am including all the people who's union jobs the union couldn't save
so now they are working at the 7-11.


So, it's the union's fault that they couldn't save jobs?? .... that makes
absolutely no sense.



nom=de=plume[_2_] July 26th 10 04:59 AM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:50:01 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:46:15 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:18:07 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

and how many jobs have been lost nationwide in non union companies?

answer: about 10 million.

The other 15 million must have been union jobs


since there are no unions in the US...

and you're sayin 25M americans are unemployed?

right now there are about 15M unemployed. prior to the bush depression
there were about 5 million


The only reason unemployment was that low was because of the housing
boom where anyone with a rusty hammer could get a job building houses.
Unemployment is roughly what it was in 2001-2002 after the recession
Bush inherited from Clinton when the dot com bubble burst. (the blame
for these things seem to be able to go back a year and a half now
don't they?)

so your right wing bull**** is just another fabrication



You seem to be able to pull numbers out of your ass with impunity like
"100 million middle class workers". Why can't I?

I am including all the people who's union jobs the union couldn't save
so now they are working at the 7-11.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/08/washington/08tax.html



TopBassDog July 26th 10 06:55 AM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
On Jul 25, 10:59*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
wrote in message

...



On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:50:01 -0400, bpuharic wrote:


On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:46:15 -0400, wrote:


On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:18:07 -0400, bpuharic wrote:


and how many jobs have been lost nationwide in non union companies?


answer: about 10 million.


The other 15 million must have been union jobs


since there are no unions in the US...


and you're sayin 25M americans are unemployed?


right now there are about 15M unemployed. prior to the bush depression
there were about 5 million


The only reason unemployment was that low was because of the housing
boom where anyone with a rusty hammer could get a job building houses.
Unemployment is roughly what it was in 2001-2002 after the recession
Bush inherited from Clinton when the dot com bubble burst. (the blame
for these things seem to be able to go back a year and a half now
don't they?)


so your right wing bull**** is just another fabrication


You seem to be able to pull numbers out of your ass with impunity like
"100 million middle class workers". Why can't I?


I am including all the people who's union jobs the union couldn't save
so now they are working at the 7-11.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/08/washington/08tax.html


D'Plume, you're January-2007 article is an invalid response and is
irrelevant to the subject.

nom=de=plume[_2_] July 26th 10 07:28 AM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 

"TopBassDog" wrote in message
...
On Jul 25, 10:59 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
wrote in message

...



On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:50:01 -0400, bpuharic wrote:


On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:46:15 -0400, wrote:


On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:18:07 -0400, bpuharic wrote:


and how many jobs have been lost nationwide in non union companies?


answer: about 10 million.


The other 15 million must have been union jobs


since there are no unions in the US...


and you're sayin 25M americans are unemployed?


right now there are about 15M unemployed. prior to the bush depression
there were about 5 million


The only reason unemployment was that low was because of the housing
boom where anyone with a rusty hammer could get a job building houses.
Unemployment is roughly what it was in 2001-2002 after the recession
Bush inherited from Clinton when the dot com bubble burst. (the blame
for these things seem to be able to go back a year and a half now
don't they?)


so your right wing bull**** is just another fabrication


You seem to be able to pull numbers out of your ass with impunity like
"100 million middle class workers". Why can't I?


I am including all the people who's union jobs the union couldn't save
so now they are working at the 7-11.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/08/washington/08tax.html


D'Plume, you're January-2007 article is an invalid response and is
irrelevant to the subject.


Actually, it's quite relevant, except for a moron like you.



nom=de=plume[_2_] July 26th 10 08:45 PM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:56:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Unemployment is roughly what it was in 2001-2002 after the recession
Bush inherited from Clinton when the dot com bubble burst. (the blame
for these things seem to be able to go back a year and a half now
don't they?)


More nonsense...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_2000s_recession

Clinton has a surplus going and GWB crapped all over it.


You, like BP seem to think there was no effect from a 55% drop in the
NASDAQ.(2000)

I suppose you do know Clinton's surplus was just a CBO projection
based on 1999 revenues, not anything that ever really happened. The
debt never dropped.

Oh and did you hear about the planes crashing into the buildings? That
may have deepened the recession a tad.


Oh and did you hear about Bush being warned, specifically, about the planes
crashing into the buildings and about how he said, ok, you've covered your
ass?

Did you hear about the actual facts of Clinton's surplus? I bet not. here
they a

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...federal. html

I'm nothing like BP, but anyone who equates the stock market to the general
health of the economy isn't looking at the bigger picture.



bpuharic July 26th 10 11:32 PM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 02:46:30 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:56:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Unemployment is roughly what it was in 2001-2002 after the recession
Bush inherited from Clinton when the dot com bubble burst. (the blame
for these things seem to be able to go back a year and a half now
don't they?)


More nonsense...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_2000s_recession

Clinton has a surplus going and GWB crapped all over it.


You, like BP seem to think there was no effect from a 55% drop in the
NASDAQ.(2000)


compared to today? you're serious?


I suppose you do know Clinton's surplus was just a CBO projection
based on 1999 revenues, not anything that ever really happened. The
debt never dropped.


the debt dropped by a small amount. the DEFICIT was erased under
clintion and brought back with a vengeance by bush who squandered
trillions on wars and tax cuts for the rich


Oh and did you hear about the planes crashing into the buildings? That
may have deepened the recession a tad.


yeah. and bush send troops into iiraq

go figure


John H[_2_] July 31st 10 10:42 PM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:44:25 -0600, Canuck57 wrote:

On 25/07/2010 8:00 AM, John H wrote:
...the priority in the DC school system.

http://tinyurl.com/2g5jg6z

Liberals better be careful. Start educating folks and the Dems will start losing
power.


As long as it is done statistically and fairly, removing the politicis
out of it -- could be good and revolutionary. Teachers should be ranked.

But if not statistically and impartially as possible, justifies why a
union needs to dig in.

For example if a teacher with ghetto students is rated against say
against a teacher middle class without adjustments, this would be
wholely unfair. In the ghetto, children go home and worry about srvival
and education does not mater. In middle class the child goes ome and
does homework and parents talk up education futures...teh stock of
quality students may vary to demogrphics.

You could get the opposite effect. If you solely rate a teacher on most
improved, you might drain the middle class shool teachers of value to
the ghetto where the largest improvements can be had. This would not be
good as you trash a sucessful school for the needs of a failing one.
When both need to have the bars raised.

One thing not discussed in the article, are admin staff like principles
and superintendants also rated this way? Teaching is a team excercise,
as a teacher is often powerless to correct issues by themselves. Does
the principle back up the teacher when the teacher tells irate parents
to send their child to school fed and not high from their parents dope
smoke?

One could easily get a situation where the teacher wants to just kick
out the lowest performaers. Which might not be wholely bad, as often
they do disturb the class. But what do you do with slow learners that
disturb he class?

But at least they are looking at it. While I didn't grow up in DC, I
have noticed with the children we have had (since graduated) that math,
science and reading were not as good as it was when I grew up. And
getting a better educational system will go a long way to fixing many of
todays issues. Even makes for better voters if they can read and think
for themselves.


I agree with what you say, and can't answer the questions about what else is
being done. I've not seen, in my experience, the unions do much of anything to
help the educational process for the kids. So, when I see the unions up in arms
over the firing of teachers, my first thoughts don't go for the unions. The
radio said the union was going to contest the firing for 80-some of the teachers
fired. That tells me that there must be no contest with the other 160 or so.
--

John H

John H[_2_] July 31st 10 10:45 PM

Finally, education, not unions, becomes...
 
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 12:03:16 -0700, C. Mor Butts wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 11:39:52 -0300, "YukonBound"
wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
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...the priority in the DC school system.

http://tinyurl.com/2g5jg6z

Liberals better be careful. Start educating folks and the Dems will start
losing
power.
--

John H


Too bad they weren't a bit more selective when you were substituting!


John Herring, stupid ass.

Guess what loser? Michelle Rhee is a Democrat.

Guess what loser? She's marrying a black man who's mayor of
Sacramento and a former NBA player, Kevin Johnson.

Frosts the space formerly occupied by your balls, eh?


Her political party doesn't upset me. From what I've seen she's a Democrat who
wants children educated. Nothing wrong with that.

What should, in your opinion, frost my balls?
--

John H


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