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On Jul 20, 12:31Â*pm, Harry  wrote:
On 7/20/10 1:21 PM, Tim wrote: On Jul 19, 9:40 am, Harry Â*wrote: On 7/19/10 10:35 AM, John H wrote: On Jul 13, 6:16 pm, Â* Â*wrote: Â* Â*wrote in message ... On Jul 13, 5:01 pm, Harry Â* Â*wrote: On 7/13/10 4:50 PM, John H wrote: ...delivered boats to a beach with a jeep... Â*Right! Why are you commenting? You don't know anything about boats. You're the asshole who wanted to winterize his outboard with WD-40, and wanted to know which two cycle oil to mix in the gas for your four cycle outboard. Aw, for pity sakes. If my memory serves me correctly, Herring asked what kind of oil to use to 'fog' his outboard for winterizing and WD-40 was mentioned. You can buy fogging oil and use it only to find out that cheap WD, STP, Liqui-Drench, and any other penetrating oil contains about the same qualities as a $9.95 can of "genuine" fogging oil. PLUS! The question that John brought up about what brand of oil to use in the crank case of his 4 cycle outboard was brought up, and Bill Graham (mechanic extraordinaire who sees no redeeming quality in rec.boats due to all the political and insulting posts) thought that Herrings engine was a 2-cycle, so Bill recommended that he use any quality oil rated for 50:1 for fuel/oil mix. Bill never advised Â*to change the crank case oil on a 4 stroke and use 2 cycle oil. Â*and Herring never took it that way. For all I know. John never brought up a question on what 2 cycle mix oil to put in a 4 stroke crank case There is a misconception there. So, This is from my recollections and I'd like to see anybody prove otherwise. Â*So until then can we finally give that topic a break???? Why would "Bill,"* when asked what sort of oil to put in a crankcase, conclude a two stroke engine was under discussion? One doesn't run a two stroke outboard properly by putting oil in the crankcase of a two stroke outboard. Herring himself stated he posed the queries. He did ask. BTW. I don't think it is a great idea to use WD-40 for engine fogging, for reasons previously discussed here. * It's Bill Grannis, I believe, not Bill Graham.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK, so i got his name wrong. But one thing about 'fogging oil" My boats run fine and I've never used the stuff. There should be no damage done to a properly maintaned engine over a 4 month period of time. Do you fog your lawnmower? I doubt it. But if I was going to 'fog' an engine, I'd use any kind of penetrating oil I have on hand. Now if it was going to sit for a few years then yes I'd fog it. but otherwwise.... concerning the 2 cycle oil. Bill would recommend a top quality 2 cycle oil to be used ina 2 cycle engine. I don't remember Herring saying anything about a 2 of 4 stroke that was on his boat. So true, why would Bill recommend filling a carnk case with 2 cycle? He wouldn't. he would suggest using 2 cycle oil in a mix for a 2 cycle engine though, so it seems that Bill got some ill concieved info. thinking that Herring had a two strke engine. I'm done. |
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On 7/20/10 2:41 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 20, 12:31 pm, Harry wrote: On 7/20/10 1:21 PM, Tim wrote: On Jul 19, 9:40 am, Harry wrote: On 7/19/10 10:35 AM, John H wrote: On Jul 13, 6:16 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On Jul 13, 5:01 pm, Harry wrote: On 7/13/10 4:50 PM, John H wrote: ...delivered boats to a beach with a jeep... Right! Why are you commenting? You don't know anything about boats. You're the asshole who wanted to winterize his outboard with WD-40, and wanted to know which two cycle oil to mix in the gas for your four cycle outboard. Aw, for pity sakes. If my memory serves me correctly, Herring asked what kind of oil to use to 'fog' his outboard for winterizing and WD-40 was mentioned. You can buy fogging oil and use it only to find out that cheap WD, STP, Liqui-Drench, and any other penetrating oil contains about the same qualities as a $9.95 can of "genuine" fogging oil. PLUS! The question that John brought up about what brand of oil to use in the crank case of his 4 cycle outboard was brought up, and Bill Graham (mechanic extraordinaire who sees no redeeming quality in rec.boats due to all the political and insulting posts) thought that Herrings engine was a 2-cycle, so Bill recommended that he use any quality oil rated for 50:1 for fuel/oil mix. Bill never advised to change the crank case oil on a 4 stroke and use 2 cycle oil. and Herring never took it that way. For all I know. John never brought up a question on what 2 cycle mix oil to put in a 4 stroke crank case There is a misconception there. So, This is from my recollections and I'd like to see anybody prove otherwise. So until then can we finally give that topic a break???? Why would "Bill,"* when asked what sort of oil to put in a crankcase, conclude a two stroke engine was under discussion? One doesn't run a two stroke outboard properly by putting oil in the crankcase of a two stroke outboard. Herring himself stated he posed the queries. He did ask. BTW. I don't think it is a great idea to use WD-40 for engine fogging, for reasons previously discussed here. * It's Bill Grannis, I believe, not Bill Graham.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK, so i got his name wrong. But one thing about 'fogging oil" My boats run fine and I've never used the stuff. There should be no damage done to a properly maintaned engine over a 4 month period of time. Do you fog your lawnmower? I doubt it. But if I was going to 'fog' an engine, I'd use any kind of penetrating oil I have on hand. Now if it was going to sit for a few years then yes I'd fog it. but otherwwise.... concerning the 2 cycle oil. Bill would recommend a top quality 2 cycle oil to be used ina 2 cycle engine. I don't remember Herring saying anything about a 2 of 4 stroke that was on his boat. So true, why would Bill recommend filling a carnk case with 2 cycle? He wouldn't. he would suggest using 2 cycle oil in a mix for a 2 cycle engine though, so it seems that Bill got some ill concieved info. thinking that Herring had a two strke engine. I'm done. He said, they said, we all said. Enough said. Except...yes, I do use fogging oil over the winter in my outboard, my lawnmower, my lawn tractor, et cetera. I also use gasoline preservative. It's cheap enough. |
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On Jul 20, 2:41Â*pm, Tim wrote:
On Jul 20, 12:31Â*pm, Harry  wrote: On 7/20/10 1:21 PM, Tim wrote: On Jul 19, 9:40 am, Harry Â*wrote: On 7/19/10 10:35 AM, John H wrote: On Jul 13, 6:16 pm, Â* Â*wrote: Â* Â*wrote in message ... On Jul 13, 5:01 pm, Harry Â* Â*wrote: On 7/13/10 4:50 PM, John H wrote: ...delivered boats to a beach with a jeep... Â*Right! Why are you commenting? You don't know anything about boats. You're the asshole who wanted to winterize his outboard with WD-40, and wanted to know which two cycle oil to mix in the gas for your four cycle outboard. Aw, for pity sakes. If my memory serves me correctly, Herring asked what kind of oil to use to 'fog' his outboard for winterizing and WD-40 was mentioned. You can buy fogging oil and use it only to find out that cheap WD, STP, Liqui-Drench, and any other penetrating oil contains about the same qualities as a $9.95 can of "genuine" fogging oil. PLUS! The question that John brought up about what brand of oil to use in the crank case of his 4 cycle outboard was brought up, and Bill Graham (mechanic extraordinaire who sees no redeeming quality in rec.boats due to all the political and insulting posts) thought that Herrings engine was a 2-cycle, so Bill recommended that he use any quality oil rated for 50:1 for fuel/oil mix. Bill never advised Â*to change the crank case oil on a 4 stroke and use 2 cycle oil. Â*and Herring never took it that way. For all I know. John never brought up a question on what 2 cycle mix oil to put in a 4 stroke crank case There is a misconception there. So, This is from my recollections and I'd like to see anybody prove otherwise. Â*So until then can we finally give that topic a break???? Why would "Bill,"* when asked what sort of oil to put in a crankcase, conclude a two stroke engine was under discussion? One doesn't run a two stroke outboard properly by putting oil in the crankcase of a two stroke outboard. Herring himself stated he posed the queries. He did ask. BTW. I don't think it is a great idea to use WD-40 for engine fogging, for reasons previously discussed here. * It's Bill Grannis, I believe, not Bill Graham.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK, so i got his name wrong. But one thing about 'fogging oil" My boats run fine and I've never used the stuff. Â*There should be no damage done to a properly maintaned engine over a 4 month period of time. Â*Do you fog your lawnmower? I doubt it. But if I was going to 'fog' an engine, I'd use any kind of penetrating oil I have on hand. Now if it was going to sit for a few years then yes I'd fog it. but otherwwise.... concerning the 2 cycle oil. Bill would recommend a top quality 2 cycle oil to be used ina Â*2 cycle engine. I don't remember Herring saying anything about a 2 of 4 stroke that was on his boat. So true, why would Bill recommend filling a carnk case with 2 cycle? He wouldn't. he would suggest using 2 cycle oil in a mix for a 2 cycle engine though, so it seems that Bill got some ill concieved info. thinking that Herring had a two strke engine. I'm done. Bill thought my Yamaha was a two stroke. |
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On Jul 20, 2:48Â*pm, John H wrote:
On Jul 20, 2:41Â*pm, Tim wrote: On Jul 20, 12:31Â*pm, Harry  wrote: On 7/20/10 1:21 PM, Tim wrote: On Jul 19, 9:40 am, Harry Â*wrote: On 7/19/10 10:35 AM, John H wrote: On Jul 13, 6:16 pm, Â* Â*wrote: Â* Â*wrote in message ... On Jul 13, 5:01 pm, Harry Â* Â*wrote: On 7/13/10 4:50 PM, John H wrote: ...delivered boats to a beach with a jeep... Â*Right! Why are you commenting? You don't know anything about boats. You're the asshole who wanted to winterize his outboard with WD-40, and wanted to know which two cycle oil to mix in the gas for your four cycle outboard. Aw, for pity sakes. If my memory serves me correctly, Herring asked what kind of oil to use to 'fog' his outboard for winterizing and WD-40 was mentioned. You can buy fogging oil and use it only to find out that cheap WD, STP, Liqui-Drench, and any other penetrating oil contains about the same qualities as a $9.95 can of "genuine" fogging oil. PLUS! The question that John brought up about what brand of oil to use in the crank case of his 4 cycle outboard was brought up, and Bill Graham (mechanic extraordinaire who sees no redeeming quality in rec.boats due to all the political and insulting posts) thought that Herrings engine was a 2-cycle, so Bill recommended that he use any quality oil rated for 50:1 for fuel/oil mix. Bill never advised Â*to change the crank case oil on a 4 stroke and use 2 cycle oil. Â*and Herring never took it that way. For all I know. John never brought up a question on what 2 cycle mix oil to put in a 4 stroke crank case There is a misconception there. So, This is from my recollections and I'd like to see anybody prove otherwise. Â*So until then can we finally give that topic a break???? Why would "Bill,"* when asked what sort of oil to put in a crankcase, conclude a two stroke engine was under discussion? One doesn't run a two stroke outboard properly by putting oil in the crankcase of a two stroke outboard. Herring himself stated he posed the queries. He did ask. BTW. I don't think it is a great idea to use WD-40 for engine fogging, for reasons previously discussed here. * It's Bill Grannis, I believe, not Bill Graham.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK, so i got his name wrong. But one thing about 'fogging oil" My boats run fine and I've never used the stuff. Â*There should be no damage done to a properly maintaned engine over a 4 month period of time. Â*Do you fog your lawnmower? I doubt it. But if I was going to 'fog' an engine, I'd use any kind of penetrating oil I have on hand. Now if it was going to sit for a few years then yes I'd fog it. but otherwwise.... concerning the 2 cycle oil. Bill would recommend a top quality 2 cycle oil to be used ina Â*2 cycle engine. I don't remember Herring saying anything about a 2 of 4 stroke that was on his boat. So true, why would Bill recommend filling a carnk case with 2 cycle? He wouldn't. he would suggest using 2 cycle oil in a mix for a 2 cycle engine though, so it seems that Bill got some ill concieved info. thinking that Herring had a two strke engine. I'm done. Bill thought my Yamaha was a two stroke.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yep. I know... |
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On Jul 20, 1:59Â*pm, Harry  wrote:
On 7/20/10 2:41 PM, Tim wrote: On Jul 20, 12:31 pm, Harry Â*wrote: On 7/20/10 1:21 PM, Tim wrote: On Jul 19, 9:40 am, Harry Â* Â*wrote: On 7/19/10 10:35 AM, John H wrote: On Jul 13, 6:16 pm, Â* Â* Â*wrote: Â* Â* Â*wrote in message ... On Jul 13, 5:01 pm, Harry Â* Â* Â*wrote: On 7/13/10 4:50 PM, John H wrote: ...delivered boats to a beach with a jeep... Â*Right! Why are you commenting? You don't know anything about boats. You're the asshole who wanted to winterize his outboard with WD-40, and wanted to know which two cycle oil to mix in the gas for your four cycle outboard. Aw, for pity sakes. If my memory serves me correctly, Herring asked what kind of oil to use to 'fog' his outboard for winterizing and WD-40 was mentioned. You can buy fogging oil and use it only to find out that cheap WD, STP, Liqui-Drench, and any other penetrating oil contains about the same qualities as a $9.95 can of "genuine" fogging oil. PLUS! The question that John brought up about what brand of oil to use in the crank case of his 4 cycle outboard was brought up, and Bill Graham (mechanic extraordinaire who sees no redeeming quality in rec.boats due to all the political and insulting posts) thought that Herrings engine was a 2-cycle, so Bill recommended that he use any quality oil rated for 50:1 for fuel/oil mix. Bill never advised Â*to change the crank case oil on a 4 stroke and use 2 cycle oil. Â*and Herring never took it that way. For all I know. John never brought up a question on what 2 cycle mix oil to put in a 4 stroke crank case There is a misconception there. So, This is from my recollections and I'd like to see anybody prove otherwise. Â*So until then can we finally give that topic a break???? Why would "Bill,"* when asked what sort of oil to put in a crankcase, conclude a two stroke engine was under discussion? One doesn't run a two stroke outboard properly by putting oil in the crankcase of a two stroke outboard. Herring himself stated he posed the queries. He did ask. BTW. I don't think it is a great idea to use WD-40 for engine fogging, for reasons previously discussed here. * It's Bill Grannis, I believe, not Bill Graham.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK, so i got his name wrong. But one thing about 'fogging oil" My boats run fine and I've never used the stuff. Â*There should be no damage done to a properly maintaned engine over a 4 month period of time. Â*Do you fog your lawnmower? I doubt it. But if I was going to 'fog' an engine, I'd use any kind of penetrating oil I have on hand. Now if it was going to sit for a few years then yes I'd fog it. but otherwwise.... concerning the 2 cycle oil. Bill would recommend a top quality 2 cycle oil to be used ina Â*2 cycle engine. I don't remember Herring saying anything about a 2 of 4 stroke that was on his boat. So true, why would Bill recommend filling a carnk case with 2 cycle? He wouldn't. he would suggest using 2 cycle oil in a mix for a 2 cycle engine though, so it seems that Bill got some ill concieved info. thinking that Herring had a two strke engine. I'm done. He said, they said, we all said. Enough said. Except...yes, I do use fogging oil over the winter in my outboard, my lawnmower, my lawn tractor, et cetera. I also use gasoline preservative. It's cheap enough.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I will say I use a lot of sta-bil in the fuel for winter storage. |
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:41:49 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: If my memory serves me correctly, Herring asked what kind of oil to use to 'fog' his outboard for winterizing and WD-40 was mentioned. You can buy fogging oil and use it only to find out that cheap WD, STP, Liqui-Drench, and any other penetrating oil contains about the same qualities as a $9.95 can of "genuine" fogging oil. The whole idea of fogging is to leave a thin film of oil on the pistons and cylinder walls to prevent corrosion. Even microscopic amounts of corrosion will eventually lead to shorter life. That said, WD-40 and penetrating oils are on the light side and evaporate relatively quickly. I used to winterize my old sailboat engine, a flat head gas engine, with Marvel Mystery oil. It always started right up in the spring and lasted a long time. |
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On Jul 20, 2:59Â*pm, Harry  wrote:
On 7/20/10 2:41 PM, Tim wrote: On Jul 20, 12:31 pm, Harry Â*wrote: On 7/20/10 1:21 PM, Tim wrote: On Jul 19, 9:40 am, Harry Â* Â*wrote: On 7/19/10 10:35 AM, John H wrote: On Jul 13, 6:16 pm, Â* Â* Â*wrote: Â* Â* Â*wrote in message ... On Jul 13, 5:01 pm, Harry Â* Â* Â*wrote: On 7/13/10 4:50 PM, John H wrote: ...delivered boats to a beach with a jeep... Â*Right! Why are you commenting? You don't know anything about boats. You're the asshole who wanted to winterize his outboard with WD-40, and wanted to know which two cycle oil to mix in the gas for your four cycle outboard. Aw, for pity sakes. If my memory serves me correctly, Herring asked what kind of oil to use to 'fog' his outboard for winterizing and WD-40 was mentioned. You can buy fogging oil and use it only to find out that cheap WD, STP, Liqui-Drench, and any other penetrating oil contains about the same qualities as a $9.95 can of "genuine" fogging oil. PLUS! The question that John brought up about what brand of oil to use in the crank case of his 4 cycle outboard was brought up, and Bill Graham (mechanic extraordinaire who sees no redeeming quality in rec.boats due to all the political and insulting posts) thought that Herrings engine was a 2-cycle, so Bill recommended that he use any quality oil rated for 50:1 for fuel/oil mix. Bill never advised Â*to change the crank case oil on a 4 stroke and use 2 cycle oil. Â*and Herring never took it that way. For all I know. John never brought up a question on what 2 cycle mix oil to put in a 4 stroke crank case There is a misconception there. So, This is from my recollections and I'd like to see anybody prove otherwise. Â*So until then can we finally give that topic a break???? Why would "Bill,"* when asked what sort of oil to put in a crankcase, conclude a two stroke engine was under discussion? One doesn't run a two stroke outboard properly by putting oil in the crankcase of a two stroke outboard. Herring himself stated he posed the queries. He did ask. BTW. I don't think it is a great idea to use WD-40 for engine fogging, for reasons previously discussed here. * It's Bill Grannis, I believe, not Bill Graham.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK, so i got his name wrong. But one thing about 'fogging oil" My boats run fine and I've never used the stuff. Â*There should be no damage done to a properly maintaned engine over a 4 month period of time. Â*Do you fog your lawnmower? I doubt it. But if I was going to 'fog' an engine, I'd use any kind of penetrating oil I have on hand. Now if it was going to sit for a few years then yes I'd fog it. but otherwwise.... concerning the 2 cycle oil. Bill would recommend a top quality 2 cycle oil to be used ina Â*2 cycle engine. I don't remember Herring saying anything about a 2 of 4 stroke that was on his boat. So true, why would Bill recommend filling a carnk case with 2 cycle? He wouldn't. he would suggest using 2 cycle oil in a mix for a 2 cycle engine though, so it seems that Bill got some ill concieved info. thinking that Herring had a two strke engine. I'm done. He said, they said, we all said. Enough said. You left out one... YOU LIED. John never asked, or said, the things you keep saying he did. Krause LIES. |
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On Jul 20, 3:16*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:41:49 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: If my memory serves me correctly, Herring asked what kind of oil to use to 'fog' his outboard for winterizing and WD-40 was mentioned. You can buy fogging oil and use it only to find out that cheap WD, STP, Liqui-Drench, and any other penetrating oil contains about the same qualities as a $9.95 can of "genuine" fogging oil. The whole idea of fogging *is to leave a thin film of oil on the pistons and cylinder walls to prevent corrosion. *Even microscopic amounts of corrosion will eventually lead to shorter life. * That said, WD-40 and penetrating oils are on the light side and evaporate relatively quickly. * I used to winterize my old sailboat engine, a flat head * * * gas engine, with Marvel Mystery oil. *It always started right up in the spring and lasted a long time. True, Wayne. And maybe I'm doing my engines a dis service by not fogging them, but they seem to start easy and run fine with good compression. Oh, while you're hear, seeing you run detroit "jimmy's" What brand of two stroke oil to you put in the crank cases? ?;^ Q |
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On 7/21/10 8:47 AM, Harold wrote:
"Harry wrote in message ... On 7/20/10 1:21 PM, Tim wrote: On Jul 19, 9:40 am, Harry wrote: On 7/19/10 10:35 AM, John H wrote: On Jul 13, 6:16 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On Jul 13, 5:01 pm, Harry wrote: On 7/13/10 4:50 PM, John H wrote: ...delivered boats to a beach with a jeep... Right! Why are you commenting? You don't know anything about boats. You're the asshole who wanted to winterize his outboard with WD-40, and wanted to know which two cycle oil to mix in the gas for your four cycle outboard. Aw, for pity sakes. If my memory serves me correctly, Herring asked what kind of oil to use to 'fog' his outboard for winterizing and WD-40 was mentioned. You can buy fogging oil and use it only to find out that cheap WD, STP, Liqui-Drench, and any other penetrating oil contains about the same qualities as a $9.95 can of "genuine" fogging oil. PLUS! The question that John brought up about what brand of oil to use in the crank case of his 4 cycle outboard was brought up, and Bill Graham (mechanic extraordinaire who sees no redeeming quality in rec.boats due to all the political and insulting posts) thought that Herrings engine was a 2-cycle, so Bill recommended that he use any quality oil rated for 50:1 for fuel/oil mix. Bill never advised to change the crank case oil on a 4 stroke and use 2 cycle oil. and Herring never took it that way. For all I know. John never brought up a question on what 2 cycle mix oil to put in a 4 stroke crank case There is a misconception there. So, This is from my recollections and I'd like to see anybody prove otherwise. So until then can we finally give that topic a break???? Why would "Bill,"* when asked what sort of oil to put in a crankcase, conclude a two stroke engine was under discussion? One doesn't run a two stroke outboard properly by putting oil in the crankcase of a two stroke outboard. Herring himself stated he posed the queries. He did ask. BTW. I don't think it is a great idea to use WD-40 for engine fogging, for reasons previously discussed here. * It's Bill Grannis, I believe, not Bill Graham. Where does the gas oil mix go after it leaves the carburetor? (How fast can you google Krausie) I send it to your wife, who gives you an enema with it. |
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