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Knives, getting them sharp like a razor blade
Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? -- We all work for government, they ceased working for us a long time ago. |
Knives, getting them sharp like a razor blade
On 7/1/10 10:18 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? If you have a knife in your belt, it isn't because you are going fishing. I used to use flat sharpening stones to sharpen my knives. Now, I use a Chef's Choice model 1520. It's faster, and puts a really good edge on our knives, household or fishing. |
Knives, getting them sharp like a razor blade
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? -- We all work for government, they ceased working for us a long time ago. I have this one. http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/181-2861161-8936718?asin=B001CR10RC&AFID=msncashback_df&LNM=|B 001CR10RC&CPNG=&ref=tgt_adv_XSB10001 It works great. Edges hold for a long time. After the first sharpening, where you have to get the edges to the right angle, touch up is a breeze. |
Knives, getting them sharp like a razor blade
On 01/07/2010 9:20 AM, Harold wrote:
wrote in message ... Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? -- We all work for government, they ceased working for us a long time ago. I have this one. http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/181-2861161-8936718?asin=B001CR10RC&AFID=msncashback_df&LNM=|B 001CR10RC&CPNG=&ref=tgt_adv_XSB10001 It works great. Edges hold for a long time. After the first sharpening, where you have to get the edges to the right angle, touch up is a breeze. Just what I wanted to know. I have had machines in the past, but they seemed pretty bad other than grinding them down. But do suspect good ones out there, just which ones. -- We all work for government, they ceased working for us a long time ago. |
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On 01/07/2010 8:24 AM, Harry  wrote:
On 7/1/10 10:18 AM, Canuck57 wrote: Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? If you have a knife in your belt, it isn't because you are going fishing. Nothing like catching a 25" walleye and having a shore lunch. More like a hunting knife, but good to hack off deadwood for the fire. Also for fishing line and weeds on the prop. I used to use flat sharpening stones to sharpen my knives. Now, I use a Chef's Choice model 1520. It's faster, and puts a really good edge on our knives, household or fishing. That is what I am using now, an akansas stone or something. Gets a nice edge but doesn't see to last long. Suspect they need a good grind. Will look into the machines like this one. When I pick one, it will be busy. -- We all work for government, they ceased working for us a long time ago. |
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"W1TEF" wrote in message ... On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 09:40:09 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 01/07/2010 9:20 AM, Harold wrote: wrote in message ... Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? -- We all work for government, they ceased working for us a long time ago. I have this one. http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/181-2861161-8936718?asin=B001CR10RC&AFID=msncashback_df&LNM=|B 001CR10RC&CPNG=&ref=tgt_adv_XSB10001 It works great. Edges hold for a long time. After the first sharpening, where you have to get the edges to the right angle, touch up is a breeze. Just what I wanted to know. I have had machines in the past, but they seemed pretty bad other than grinding them down. But do suspect good ones out there, just which ones. Using a machine is cheating. :) I find the whole practice of hand sharpening to be a very zen like experience. You just get into a rhythm and eventually you get to the zone where you can see what you are doing to the steel. If you have to muddle through life without cheating once in a while, you'll never make it. ;-) |
Knives, getting them sharp like a razor blade
On 7/1/10 11:47 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 01/07/2010 8:24 AM, Harry  wrote: On 7/1/10 10:18 AM, Canuck57 wrote: Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? If you have a knife in your belt, it isn't because you are going fishing. Nothing like catching a 25" walleye and having a shore lunch. More like a hunting knife, but good to hack off deadwood for the fire. Also for fishing line and weeds on the prop. I used to use flat sharpening stones to sharpen my knives. Now, I use a Chef's Choice model 1520. It's faster, and puts a really good edge on our knives, household or fishing. That is what I am using now, an akansas stone or something. Gets a nice edge but doesn't see to last long. Suspect they need a good grind. Will look into the machines like this one. When I pick one, it will be busy. When we lived in Florida, I saw a step van in the parking lot of one of our favorite restaurants. The sign on the van said something like "The Knife Man." Curious, I walked up to the van and saw a craftsman inside, sharpening all sorts of knives with various kinds of equipment. I asked if he did "household" knives. He said, sure, but I'd have to meet him at the site of one of his commercial customers. I called him and we met up a few weeks later, in a restaurant parking lot. He sharpened maybe a dozen knives for for, for a couple of bucks each. What a great deal that was...he really knew what he was doing. |
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On 01/07/2010 10:22 AM, W1TEF wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:59:12 -0400, "Harold" wrote: If you have to muddle through life without cheating once in a while, you'll never make it. ;-) Well, I will cop to using a machine to sharpen my wood lathe shaping tools. Then again, those are set up on a jig to get the angles right. The cutoff tools I sharpen by hand. I also use a machine to sharpen my chain saw blades - that task is just annoying as hell and it's faster to use a machine. Sharpening a knife via machine just ain't right. :) How about both. As I have never seen a non-commercial machine do a good job. Do it with a machine then touch it up manually. Part of the reason I suspect I have issues is I have manually done this enough the knife bevels are out. -- We all work for government, they ceased working for us a long time ago. |
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On Jul 1, 12:22*pm, W1TEF wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:59:12 -0400, "Harold" wrote: If you have to muddle through life without cheating once in a while, you'll never make it. ;-) *I also use a machine to sharpen my chain saw blades - that task is just annoying as hell and it's faster to use a machine. Chain saw blades? That's why god made John Deere dealers... they sherpen them while you wait for a few bucks. I keep a spare sharp one for the Stihl. |
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On Jul 1, 11:49*am, W1TEF wrote:
I have two of his blades - a 6" Hunter with flamed bone handle and a 10" Bowie with a leather wrapped and bound *tang. *Both weren't up to his standards and he sold them to me at cost (little flaws in the shape of the blades that you and I wouldn't notice, but he did). *Both are folded high carbon steel - the Hunter 100 times and the Bowie 125 times. Those things are sharp as hell and stay that way for a long time. My Dad was a machinist before he retired and has been a craftsman and fabricator all his life. He used to make knives... he'd use a file that he would annealed to the appropriate hardness, then would grind, shape, and polish the blade out of that file. He'd make the quillion and pommel out of various materials like stainless or brass, and the handle usually from deer horn, sometimes from bakelite or other industrial materials. He made some really nice ones... mainly gave them away to his friends. It all came to an end when some other guy in the shop was doing final polishing on one he'd made... *after* he sharpened it. The blade dug into the buffer wheel, pulling the knife out of his hands and down across his leg. It took 20 something stitches to sew his leg up, and the management forbid any more knifemaking. |
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On 01/07/2010 11:24 AM, Jack wrote:
On Jul 1, 12:22 pm, wrote: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:59:12 -0400, "Harold" wrote: If you have to muddle through life without cheating once in a while, you'll never make it. ;-) I also use a machine to sharpen my chain saw blades - that task is just annoying as hell and it's faster to use a machine. Chain saw blades? That's why god made John Deere dealers... they sherpen them while you wait for a few bucks. I keep a spare sharp one for the Stihl. Now those would be a bugger to get right by hand. I know that is the way they used to do it but machine or new for those. -- We all work for government, they ceased working for us a long time ago. |
Knives, getting them sharp like a razor blade
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:18:35 -0600, Canuck57 wrote:
Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? This works like a champ. The idea that it will grind the knives to nothing is bull****. http://tinyurl.com/o9hp6v -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. |
Knives, getting them sharp like a razor blade
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:52:49 -0400, W1TEF wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 09:40:09 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 01/07/2010 9:20 AM, Harold wrote: wrote in message ... Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? -- We all work for government, they ceased working for us a long time ago. I have this one. http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/181-2861161-8936718?asin=B001CR10RC&AFID=msncashback_df&LNM=|B 001CR10RC&CPNG=&ref=tgt_adv_XSB10001 It works great. Edges hold for a long time. After the first sharpening, where you have to get the edges to the right angle, touch up is a breeze. Just what I wanted to know. I have had machines in the past, but they seemed pretty bad other than grinding them down. But do suspect good ones out there, just which ones. Using a machine is cheating. :) I find the whole practice of hand sharpening to be a very zen like experience. You just get into a rhythm and eventually you get to the zone where you can see what you are doing to the steel. Yeah but...some of us are trying to improve our golf game with our free time. -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. |
Knives, getting them sharp like a razor blade
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:22:56 -0400, W1TEF wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:59:12 -0400, "Harold" wrote: If you have to muddle through life without cheating once in a while, you'll never make it. ;-) Well, I will cop to using a machine to sharpen my wood lathe shaping tools. Then again, those are set up on a jig to get the angles right. The cutoff tools I sharpen by hand. I also use a machine to sharpen my chain saw blades - that task is just annoying as hell and it's faster to use a machine. Sharpening a knife via machine just ain't right. :) BTW, are you still coming through here in July? -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. |
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Canuck57 wrote:
Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? You'll have no luck with sharpening knives or doing anything else with them while Obama is in there. Wait a while. In the meantime tell your wife to get get one of the electrics mentioned, or have her read the reviews and select one. Don't have to go beyond a double bevel unless you're real particular about that. Then have her select a couple quality diamond steels - one for the tackle box, one for the glove box. You want your knives sharp enough to shave hair off skin. But don't try that yourself with Obama in there. Your wife can use her arms or legs for testing the blades for now. Have her do the sharpening at home, then take her with you where ever you go and let her do all the needed touch-up steel honing when away from the electric. Best to have her do the cutting too unless you want get some of those steel mesh gloves for yourself. When Obama's gone she can teach you what she was doing, and you can start doing all that yourself. Won't need the gloves either. You'll be safe with him gone, and won't get all gashed up. That's assuming they don't elect Al Sharpton to succeed him. Jim - Got the best advice for Canuck57. |
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On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:18:35 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. The best way to cut line from a prop is with a dry wall saw - readily and inexpensively available at HD, Lowes or any good hardware store. I've had some experience at this and the dry wall saw works better than anything else I've used. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. A long thin filet knife is best for fish of course. My favorite filet knife came with a sharpening tool which is quite effective. It is a small plastic frame which contains two ceramic rods at an angle to each other - just the right angle to put a good sharp edge on the blade. The trick is to pull the knife through the rods 4 or 5 times just before you use it. Very easy and works well. But keeping them sharp. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? See above. I've used it on several other knives, also with good results. I also like to carry a couple of box cutters and a fresh supply of blades. Here are some other recomended sharpening methods: TORMEK Wet grinder for knife, scissor and tool sharpening PAPER SHARPENING WHEELS - To hone and strop knives F. DICK RS-150 Two stage commercial knife sharpener F. DICK SM-111 Three stage professional knife sharpener - grind, sharpen, polish CHEF'SCHOICE Knife Sharpeners including the 2000 Commercial knife sharpener TRU-HONE Knife Sharpener EDGEPRO Manual knife and scissor sharpening system Spyderco SHARPMAKER Manual knife sharpener Wolff TWICE-AS-SHARP Scissor sharpening machine Viel Tools BELT SANDER for knife repairs, garden tools, axes and other convex edges. All of the above courtesy of the "Sharpening Made Easy" web site: http://www.sharpeningmadeeasy.com/index.htm |
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On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 15:17:02 -0400, W1TEF wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:54:12 -0400, John H wrote: BTW, are you still coming through here in July? Yes - later in July though than I thought. 10-4 -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message ... Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? -- We all work for government, they ceased working for us a long time ago. I use a 2" x 6" EZLap diamond stone. Bought one in 1974 to sharpen diving knives, and it worked great. Finally got a new one last year, the old one lasted that long. About $25. You can use it like a file, too, holding your knife or blade stationary and making stroking movements with your stone. When I was diving, we used ******* files to sharpen our folding aluminum/Queen steel diving knives so that they would actually have a hack saw type cutting edge to go through the rope. That worked nicely for the underwater knives, but my topside stuff was finished off with the diamond stone, and I was always doing other guys knives once they cut anything with one of my knives. Two things are critical when knife sharpening: the angle and the stone. A guy who knows the angle can sharpen a cutting instrument on a rock and get it pretty sharp. YMMV, and I'm reasonably sure it does. Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com watch for the book A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult. |
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"W1TEF" wrote in message ... On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 09:40:09 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 01/07/2010 9:20 AM, Harold wrote: wrote in message ... Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? -- We all work for government, they ceased working for us a long time ago. I have this one. http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/181-2861161-8936718?asin=B001CR10RC&AFID=msncashback_df&LNM=|B 001CR10RC&CPNG=&ref=tgt_adv_XSB10001 It works great. Edges hold for a long time. After the first sharpening, where you have to get the edges to the right angle, touch up is a breeze. Just what I wanted to know. I have had machines in the past, but they seemed pretty bad other than grinding them down. But do suspect good ones out there, just which ones. Using a machine is cheating. :) I find the whole practice of hand sharpening to be a very zen like experience. You just get into a rhythm and eventually you get to the zone where you can see what you are doing to the steel. A person who does not understand these principles will remove a lot of metal unnecessarily, and eventually end up with a knife that looks like a toothpick. Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com watch for the book A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult. |
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"Jack" wrote in message ... On Jul 1, 12:22 pm, W1TEF wrote: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:59:12 -0400, "Harold" wrote: If you have to muddle through life without cheating once in a while, you'll never make it. ;-) I also use a machine to sharpen my chain saw blades - that task is just annoying as hell and it's faster to use a machine. Chain saw blades? That's why god made John Deere dealers... they sherpen them while you wait for a few bucks. I keep a spare sharp one for the Stihl. reply: Chit. I passed on a good chain saw sharpening machine today. May go back tomorrow and see if it is still at that yard sale, and if they will negotiate. Got some good deals, one a Whites PDX metal detector NEW for $20. They retail for $1100. |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:18:35 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? . If you are thinking of cutting line off your prop you are better off with a serrated blade like a cheap ginsu knife. Save your sharp knife for filleting fish Nothing like cutting a blob of 5" nylon mooring line out of an 8' prop. With no visibility. |
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"A.Boater" wrote in message ... Only a dumbass like you would believe, given the current types of fishing line, that a knife of ANY sharpness would be worth a crap. u tawkin tuh mee? |
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On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 16:22:27 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote: If you are thinking of cutting line off your prop you are better off with a serrated blade like a cheap ginsu knife. Save your sharp knife for filleting fish Nothing like cutting a blob of 5" nylon mooring line out of an 8' prop. With no visibility. Heh, or a 12 inch prop that looks like a basketball. Or a polypro crab pot line that has been sucked into the cutlass bearing on a 2 inch shaft. |
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On 01/07/2010 1:16 PM, W1TEF wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:24:34 -0600, wrote: On 01/07/2010 10:22 AM, W1TEF wrote: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:59:12 -0400, "Harold" wrote: If you have to muddle through life without cheating once in a while, you'll never make it. ;-) Well, I will cop to using a machine to sharpen my wood lathe shaping tools. Then again, those are set up on a jig to get the angles right. The cutoff tools I sharpen by hand. I also use a machine to sharpen my chain saw blades - that task is just annoying as hell and it's faster to use a machine. Sharpening a knife via machine just ain't right. :) How about both. As I have never seen a non-commercial machine do a good job. Do it with a machine then touch it up manually. Part of the reason I suspect I have issues is I have manually done this enough the knife bevels are out. Ah - well, that means you have to remake the bevel and you do that with the coarse stone - doesn't take long at all. A few minutes. Here you go Grasshopper... :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYnFL3zCYUY Thank you master. Missing the coarse stone and the leather strap/stoop. Made lots of sense. -- We all work for government, they ceased working for us a long time ago. |
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On 01/07/2010 1:48 PM, Jim wrote:
Canuck57 wrote: Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? You'll have no luck with sharpening knives or doing anything else with them while Obama is in there. Wait a while. In the meantime tell your wife to get get one of the electrics mentioned, or have her read the reviews and select one. Don't have to go beyond a double bevel unless you're real particular about that. Then have her select a couple quality diamond steels - one for the tackle box, one for the glove box. You want your knives sharp enough to shave hair off skin. But don't try that yourself with Obama in there. Your wife can use her arms or legs for testing the blades for now. Have her do the sharpening at home, then take her with you where ever you go and let her do all the needed touch-up steel honing when away from the electric. Best to have her do the cutting too unless you want get some of those steel mesh gloves for yourself. When Obama's gone she can teach you what she was doing, and you can start doing all that yourself. Won't need the gloves either. You'll be safe with him gone, and won't get all gashed up. That's assuming they don't elect Al Sharpton to succeed him. Jim - Got the best advice for Canuck57. Don't think I would want to come near Obama with a knife. If I accidentally cut him, the balloon would burst and I would be all covered in ****. Liking the electric with a strap. My wife likes coming fishing. ;) -- We all work for government, they ceased working for us a long time ago. |
Knives, getting them sharp like a razor blade
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? -- We all work for government, they ceased working for us a long time ago. I have a diamond stone in the camper and a Chef's choice 460 at home, plus good stones. But I seem to revert to the Hunter Honer more these days. http://www.hunterhoner.com/ does a good job. Then follow up with a good steel. Use the steel a lot and less sharpening. Plus get good knives. My main knives are Forschner and Henkel's. Mostly Forschner. Bad knife steel and the edge goes away quickly. |
Knives, getting them sharp like a razor blade
"W1TEF" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:59:12 -0400, "Harold" wrote: If you have to muddle through life without cheating once in a while, you'll never make it. ;-) Well, I will cop to using a machine to sharpen my wood lathe shaping tools. Then again, those are set up on a jig to get the angles right. The cutoff tools I sharpen by hand. I also use a machine to sharpen my chain saw blades - that task is just annoying as hell and it's faster to use a machine. Sharpening a knife via machine just ain't right. :) When I used to use my chainsaw a lot, I used my Dremel with the correct stone and could hand sharpen the blade quickly at home. Had a 12V tool with jig for the field, but after a while, eyeball it and forget the jig. |
Knives, getting them sharp like a razor blade
"W1TEF" wrote in message ... On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:18:35 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? Really depends on the kind of steel your knives are made of. High carbon, high chromium, high manganese, tungsten, vanadium, blah, blah, blah. :) A lot of knives today are alloys with a little of everything if it's just an average knife maker - most are high carbon, low chromium - seriously, you really have to know what kind of steel the knife is made of to properly sharpen. Also high carbon, folded steel blades hold their edges longer and only require a little touch up. The best way is prep work. Have to get the edge bevel correct, then work on the edge. I work against flat diamond embedded stones working from coarse to medium to get the bevel right, then work the fine stone until you get the edge you need. Strop it against a leather strap - I use an old barber's leather strop. Just remember that the edge won't hold forever - touch up every week or so is really important or after you make a particularly difficult cut on hard material. Find an old wide piece of leather like an old belt to strop the knife after you use it - even when you use it. Go from the rough side to the smooth side - couple of times each side of the blade. Use light machine oil on the blade to keep it from rusting too bad if you are going to store it. One of the artisians here in town in a Master blade smith and I've learned a lot from him over the years. I do what he does and I always have sharp knives. I have two of his blades - a 6" Hunter with flamed bone handle and a 10" Bowie with a leather wrapped and bound tang. Both weren't up to his standards and he sold them to me at cost (little flaws in the shape of the blades that you and I wouldn't notice, but he did). Both are folded high carbon steel - the Hunter 100 times and the Bowie 125 times. Those things are sharp as hell and stay that way for a long time. Anyway, prep and maintenance - the keys to an always sharp knife. Like the Japanese chef's knives. Can not justify the costs, but I would use Shun knives if I was a commercial chef. They are folded 100's of times and are about the sharpest and best steel knives you can buy. |
Knives, getting them sharp like a razor blade
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:18:35 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? I use diamond tools, flat slabs of sheet metal on plastic, with the stones imbedded in a nickel coating. I also have a two hundred buck slab of German industrial ruby. Two inch by four by one quarter. It puts a mirror finish on the edge. If you want a razor edge on a knife, it has to be a thin as a razor. My Chinese pattern chef's knife is shaped like a razor, rectangular 3 in by 8 in, and thin, and you can, in fact, put a razor edge on it. Casady |
Knives, getting them sharp like a razor blade
On 02/07/2010 7:23 AM, Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:18:35 -0600, wrote: Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? I use diamond tools, flat slabs of sheet metal on plastic, with the stones imbedded in a nickel coating. I also have a two hundred buck slab of German industrial ruby. Two inch by four by one quarter. It puts a mirror finish on the edge. If you want a razor edge on a knife, it has to be a thin as a razor. My Chinese pattern chef's knife is shaped like a razor, rectangular 3 in by 8 in, and thin, and you can, in fact, put a razor edge on it. Casady I would like to thank everyone for the great inputs. Realizing now I wasn't on the right track. Need to get smarter at this. While the arkasas stone I have is good if you like to spend hours at it, it is insufficient by itself. Going to get some machine, probably one menthined in this thread somewhere, a coarse stone and a new fine stone. Diamond if I can as arkansas might be too soft or something. I figure if I use the amchines for the bevels, a quick touch on the stone then the strap I should be getting knives I don't have to fight with or like fishing knives, spend 3 hours to get it right. Thanks all, this was helpful... -- We all work for government, they ceased working for us a long time ago. |
Knives, getting them sharp like a razor blade
On 7/2/10 10:46 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 02/07/2010 7:23 AM, Richard Casady wrote: On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:18:35 -0600, wrote: Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? I use diamond tools, flat slabs of sheet metal on plastic, with the stones imbedded in a nickel coating. I also have a two hundred buck slab of German industrial ruby. Two inch by four by one quarter. It puts a mirror finish on the edge. If you want a razor edge on a knife, it has to be a thin as a razor. My Chinese pattern chef's knife is shaped like a razor, rectangular 3 in by 8 in, and thin, and you can, in fact, put a razor edge on it. Casady I would like to thank everyone for the great inputs. Realizing now I wasn't on the right track. Need to get smarter at this. While the arkasas stone I have is good if you like to spend hours at it, it is insufficient by itself. Going to get some machine, probably one menthined in this thread somewhere, a coarse stone and a new fine stone. Diamond if I can as arkansas might be too soft or something. I figure if I use the amchines for the bevels, a quick touch on the stone then the strap I should be getting knives I don't have to fight with or like fishing knives, spend 3 hours to get it right. Thanks all, this was helpful... I don't know what you are using for knives, but there is something to be said for a good blade that takes and holds a good edge. I bought a japanese sashimi knife a couple of years ago, and it is an incredible tool for making thin cuts on fish, meat, veggies... |
Knives, getting them sharp like a razor blade
On 02/07/2010 8:54 AM, Harry  wrote:
On 7/2/10 10:46 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 02/07/2010 7:23 AM, Richard Casady wrote: On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:18:35 -0600, wrote: Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? I use diamond tools, flat slabs of sheet metal on plastic, with the stones imbedded in a nickel coating. I also have a two hundred buck slab of German industrial ruby. Two inch by four by one quarter. It puts a mirror finish on the edge. If you want a razor edge on a knife, it has to be a thin as a razor. My Chinese pattern chef's knife is shaped like a razor, rectangular 3 in by 8 in, and thin, and you can, in fact, put a razor edge on it. Casady I would like to thank everyone for the great inputs. Realizing now I wasn't on the right track. Need to get smarter at this. While the arkasas stone I have is good if you like to spend hours at it, it is insufficient by itself. Going to get some machine, probably one menthined in this thread somewhere, a coarse stone and a new fine stone. Diamond if I can as arkansas might be too soft or something. I figure if I use the amchines for the bevels, a quick touch on the stone then the strap I should be getting knives I don't have to fight with or like fishing knives, spend 3 hours to get it right. Thanks all, this was helpful... I don't know what you are using for knives, but there is something to be said for a good blade that takes and holds a good edge. I bought a japanese sashimi knife a couple of years ago, and it is an incredible tool for making thin cuts on fish, meat, veggies... Most of my knives are mid-range stuff, not cheap but not exotic. Heinkels I have are 20+ years old and are great, but need sharpening too. The only knife I have that is sharp is a fillet knife. But then I would take 3 hours if need to be sharpen it. The hunting knife, other than the point is so dull it is safe to handle. Kitchen knives, not one sharp on in the lot. Figure to get a machine, take the best 20 knives, sharpen them and huck the rest. -- We all work for government, they ceased working for us a long time ago. |
Knives, getting them sharp like a razor blade
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 23:10:33 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote: "W1TEF" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:18:35 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? Really depends on the kind of steel your knives are made of. High carbon, high chromium, high manganese, tungsten, vanadium, blah, blah, blah. :) A lot of knives today are alloys with a little of everything if it's just an average knife maker - most are high carbon, low chromium - seriously, you really have to know what kind of steel the knife is made of to properly sharpen. Also high carbon, folded steel blades hold their edges longer and only require a little touch up. The best way is prep work. Have to get the edge bevel correct, then work on the edge. I work against flat diamond embedded stones working from coarse to medium to get the bevel right, then work the fine stone until you get the edge you need. Strop it against a leather strap - I use an old barber's leather strop. Just remember that the edge won't hold forever - touch up every week or so is really important or after you make a particularly difficult cut on hard material. Find an old wide piece of leather like an old belt to strop the knife after you use it - even when you use it. Go from the rough side to the smooth side - couple of times each side of the blade. Use light machine oil on the blade to keep it from rusting too bad if you are going to store it. One of the artisians here in town in a Master blade smith and I've learned a lot from him over the years. I do what he does and I always have sharp knives. I have two of his blades - a 6" Hunter with flamed bone handle and a 10" Bowie with a leather wrapped and bound tang. Both weren't up to his standards and he sold them to me at cost (little flaws in the shape of the blades that you and I wouldn't notice, but he did). Both are folded high carbon steel - the Hunter 100 times and the Bowie 125 times. Those things are sharp as hell and stay that way for a long time. Anyway, prep and maintenance - the keys to an always sharp knife. Like the Japanese chef's knives. Can not justify the costs, but I would use Shun knives if I was a commercial chef. They are folded 100's of times and are about the sharpest and best steel knives you can buy. The Shuns get good reviews, that's for sure. But, at over a thousand bucks for a decent set, I'll stick with my cheap Henckels Five Stars. -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. |
Knives, getting them sharp like a razor blade
"John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 23:10:33 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "W1TEF" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:18:35 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? Really depends on the kind of steel your knives are made of. High carbon, high chromium, high manganese, tungsten, vanadium, blah, blah, blah. :) A lot of knives today are alloys with a little of everything if it's just an average knife maker - most are high carbon, low chromium - seriously, you really have to know what kind of steel the knife is made of to properly sharpen. Also high carbon, folded steel blades hold their edges longer and only require a little touch up. The best way is prep work. Have to get the edge bevel correct, then work on the edge. I work against flat diamond embedded stones working from coarse to medium to get the bevel right, then work the fine stone until you get the edge you need. Strop it against a leather strap - I use an old barber's leather strop. Just remember that the edge won't hold forever - touch up every week or so is really important or after you make a particularly difficult cut on hard material. Find an old wide piece of leather like an old belt to strop the knife after you use it - even when you use it. Go from the rough side to the smooth side - couple of times each side of the blade. Use light machine oil on the blade to keep it from rusting too bad if you are going to store it. One of the artisians here in town in a Master blade smith and I've learned a lot from him over the years. I do what he does and I always have sharp knives. I have two of his blades - a 6" Hunter with flamed bone handle and a 10" Bowie with a leather wrapped and bound tang. Both weren't up to his standards and he sold them to me at cost (little flaws in the shape of the blades that you and I wouldn't notice, but he did). Both are folded high carbon steel - the Hunter 100 times and the Bowie 125 times. Those things are sharp as hell and stay that way for a long time. Anyway, prep and maintenance - the keys to an always sharp knife. Like the Japanese chef's knives. Can not justify the costs, but I would use Shun knives if I was a commercial chef. They are folded 100's of times and are about the sharpest and best steel knives you can buy. The Shuns get good reviews, that's for sure. But, at over a thousand bucks for a decent set, I'll stick with my cheap Henckels Five Stars. -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. And they are beautiful. Like an old Damascus steel sword, |
Knives, getting them sharp like a razor blade
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 23:32:03 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 23:10:33 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "W1TEF" wrote in message ... On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:18:35 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Going boating, regs or no regs every sane boater brings a good knife. In fact I don't remember seeing knive in our regs, but it is a good practice. Expecially if you have to cut others line out of the prop. Maybe even 2 or 3. Me, I have one on my belt and another in the tackle box as a minimum. Usually a couple more at the fish cleaning station. Need to cut rope or a fish, or fishing line, only a quick reach away. But keeping them shape. Same problem in the home. Real pain in the crack. What experiences work best to get these things sharp enough to shave with? Not gimick solutions, I mean get knives real professionally sharp but do it at home or the cottage. What methods are people using? Really depends on the kind of steel your knives are made of. High carbon, high chromium, high manganese, tungsten, vanadium, blah, blah, blah. :) A lot of knives today are alloys with a little of everything if it's just an average knife maker - most are high carbon, low chromium - seriously, you really have to know what kind of steel the knife is made of to properly sharpen. Also high carbon, folded steel blades hold their edges longer and only require a little touch up. The best way is prep work. Have to get the edge bevel correct, then work on the edge. I work against flat diamond embedded stones working from coarse to medium to get the bevel right, then work the fine stone until you get the edge you need. Strop it against a leather strap - I use an old barber's leather strop. Just remember that the edge won't hold forever - touch up every week or so is really important or after you make a particularly difficult cut on hard material. Find an old wide piece of leather like an old belt to strop the knife after you use it - even when you use it. Go from the rough side to the smooth side - couple of times each side of the blade. Use light machine oil on the blade to keep it from rusting too bad if you are going to store it. One of the artisians here in town in a Master blade smith and I've learned a lot from him over the years. I do what he does and I always have sharp knives. I have two of his blades - a 6" Hunter with flamed bone handle and a 10" Bowie with a leather wrapped and bound tang. Both weren't up to his standards and he sold them to me at cost (little flaws in the shape of the blades that you and I wouldn't notice, but he did). Both are folded high carbon steel - the Hunter 100 times and the Bowie 125 times. Those things are sharp as hell and stay that way for a long time. Anyway, prep and maintenance - the keys to an always sharp knife. Like the Japanese chef's knives. Can not justify the costs, but I would use Shun knives if I was a commercial chef. They are folded 100's of times and are about the sharpest and best steel knives you can buy. The Shuns get good reviews, that's for sure. But, at over a thousand bucks for a decent set, I'll stick with my cheap Henckels Five Stars. -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. And they are beautiful. Like an old Damascus steel sword, Yeah, I looked at them. Gorgeous knives. But I'd have to cut Kobi beef with them, or they'd probably rebel. I'm sure they're not up to cutting cheap chuck roasts and such. -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. |
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