On Jun 25, 10:51*am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article om,
says...







"Jack" wrote in message
....
On Jun 23, 8:06 pm, "mmc" wrote:
"I am Tosk" wrote in
l-september.org...

In article 1660a4fc-2c0c-46bd-a669-a72a65d5d112
@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jun 22, 10:34 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:29:00 -0400, W1TEF
wrote:

Even more so...

"None of the people in the fishing boat were wearing life jackets at
time of accident."

Sad.

It is sad, and it's really not clear exactly how it could have been
avoided other than greater vigilance/keeping out of the way. I have
to admit that I'm not much into wearing life jackets either except
under the most extreme circumstances, and it's not really clear that
wearing a life jacket will save you from being run over by 8 barges
and a tug. Probably not is my guess but you never know.

They probably became distracted by their fishing and didn't notice
the
barges until too late, or perhaps their engine failed to start at the
critical juncture, or maybe they had an anchor own and couldn't get
it up, etc. There are lots of possibilities I suppose but it does
drive home the danger associated with small recreational boats mixing
in with large commercial traffic.

One has to wonder if the tug operator suffers from the same malady
that many of the 18 wheeler drivers do. The "I'm a 'professional'
driver, and these mere regular people in their cars and trucks need to
get out of my way" attitude. Rules of navigation notwithstanding,
it's on his conscience now.

Must be a local thing... Most truckdrivers here are pretty good on the
road. They hate to crash, slows them down plenty..

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

I drove some for a couple jobs I had and after experiencing enough idiots
cutting in front of me and hearing about truckers dying or ending up
seriously injured rather than running (literally) over a "4 wheeler" I
took
the attitude that if a driver was stupid enough to make it a him/her or me
situation it was going to be him/her.

Are you one of those truckers who will run up behind a "4 wheeler" and
sit there, tailgating, a foot or two off their bumper, knowing that
you don't have a prayer of stopping if traffic slows suddenly? *Or one
of those who switches into the left passing lane going downhill,
knowing full well an uphill is just a few hundred feet ahead, and now
you'll just become a moving roadblock, running beside your brethren
trucker in the right lane, for the next 5 miles, unwilling to speed up
to get by and move back over? *Or the trucker that pulls out into a
two lane road with traffic approching, knowing it will take you a mile
or two of struggling just to barely approach the speed limit, all the
while with traffic backing up behind you?

And then you wonder why people seemingly cut in front of you? *It's
because of many trucker's bad driving behavior and general lack of
driving courtesy. *Besides, if you guys were such great drivers, we
wouldn't have to shut down the interstate on a nearly weekly basis
because some dumb trucker has spilled his load on one of the off-
ramps... you know, the ones that are clearly marked with a sharp turn
sign and a low speed limit.

I believe that 18 wheelers should be limited to interstates only, and
have to off-load their cargo to smaller trucks within a mile or two of
the interstate. *That would eliminate the severe damage they inflict
on the secondary roads, and the havoc they inflict on traffic. *If
they spill their load, they personally pay for the cleanup. *Cause an
accident, lose your commercial license *forever*.

I do appreciate them hauling our cargo. *Just don't act like an
asshole and try to kill us while doing it!

Wow, by the illogical rant I can only assume some crazy trucker ran off
with your first wife?? * Just kidding, but you certainly have something
else going on besides a couple of slow moving or fast moving trucks.. I
guess they should all just go your speed, merge into your traffic
pattern for that particular day, yeah, that would solve everything...
Geeze.. "Going to fast spilling loads, going too slow, stopping me from
getting to Dunkin' Donuts"... "Make 'em offload at the highway ramp",
holy crap, you could work on Obama's economics team with that kind of
planning....

Sounds like you are willing to throw a whole economy down the drain
because you get inconvenience once in a while. Oh well, have fun with
that horse and buggy


Wow.. talk about an illogical rant. ;-)

I get it. You've driven a truck, and are a big truck driver
cheerleader and apologist.

I've driven a delivery truck in Atlanta while I was going to school
there. I've also driven a motorhome a few thousand miles. I've alway
been painfully aware of what I was driving, and was careful to be as
courteous as possible to the other people on the road. Funny, I never
had people act around me the way you say they act around you in your
rig. Maybe it's a reflection on your driving? Anyway, as was pointed
out to me here recently, expecting courtesy and respect from others
these days is expecting too much.

Peace out.

In article 3ccf2d1d-201a-4bd8-b51e-4ead3e35ec81
@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jun 25, 10:51*am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article om,
says...







"Jack" wrote in message
...
On Jun 23, 8:06 pm, "mmc" wrote:
"I am Tosk" wrote in
l-september.org...

In article 1660a4fc-2c0c-46bd-a669-a72a65d5d112
@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jun 22, 10:34 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:29:00 -0400, W1TEF
wrote:

Even more so...

"None of the people in the fishing boat were wearing life jackets at
time of accident."

Sad.

It is sad, and it's really not clear exactly how it could have been
avoided other than greater vigilance/keeping out of the way. I have
to admit that I'm not much into wearing life jackets either except
under the most extreme circumstances, and it's not really clear that
wearing a life jacket will save you from being run over by 8 barges
and a tug. Probably not is my guess but you never know.

They probably became distracted by their fishing and didn't notice
the
barges until too late, or perhaps their engine failed to start at the
critical juncture, or maybe they had an anchor own and couldn't get
it up, etc. There are lots of possibilities I suppose but it does
drive home the danger associated with small recreational boats mixing
in with large commercial traffic.

One has to wonder if the tug operator suffers from the same malady
that many of the 18 wheeler drivers do. The "I'm a 'professional'
driver, and these mere regular people in their cars and trucks need to
get out of my way" attitude. Rules of navigation notwithstanding,
it's on his conscience now.

Must be a local thing... Most truckdrivers here are pretty good on the
road. They hate to crash, slows them down plenty..

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

I drove some for a couple jobs I had and after experiencing enough idiots
cutting in front of me and hearing about truckers dying or ending up
seriously injured rather than running (literally) over a "4 wheeler" I
took
the attitude that if a driver was stupid enough to make it a him/her or me
situation it was going to be him/her.

Are you one of those truckers who will run up behind a "4 wheeler" and
sit there, tailgating, a foot or two off their bumper, knowing that
you don't have a prayer of stopping if traffic slows suddenly? *Or one
of those who switches into the left passing lane going downhill,
knowing full well an uphill is just a few hundred feet ahead, and now
you'll just become a moving roadblock, running beside your brethren
trucker in the right lane, for the next 5 miles, unwilling to speed up
to get by and move back over? *Or the trucker that pulls out into a
two lane road with traffic approching, knowing it will take you a mile
or two of struggling just to barely approach the speed limit, all the
while with traffic backing up behind you?

And then you wonder why people seemingly cut in front of you? *It's
because of many trucker's bad driving behavior and general lack of
driving courtesy. *Besides, if you guys were such great drivers, we
wouldn't have to shut down the interstate on a nearly weekly basis
because some dumb trucker has spilled his load on one of the off-
ramps... you know, the ones that are clearly marked with a sharp turn
sign and a low speed limit.

I believe that 18 wheelers should be limited to interstates only, and
have to off-load their cargo to smaller trucks within a mile or two of
the interstate. *That would eliminate the severe damage they inflict
on the secondary roads, and the havoc they inflict on traffic. *If
they spill their load, they personally pay for the cleanup. *Cause an
accident, lose your commercial license *forever*.

I do appreciate them hauling our cargo. *Just don't act like an
asshole and try to kill us while doing it!

Wow, by the illogical rant I can only assume some crazy trucker ran off
with your first wife?? * Just kidding, but you certainly have something
else going on besides a couple of slow moving or fast moving trucks.. I
guess they should all just go your speed, merge into your traffic
pattern for that particular day, yeah, that would solve everything...
Geeze.. "Going to fast spilling loads, going too slow, stopping me from
getting to Dunkin' Donuts"... "Make 'em offload at the highway ramp",
holy crap, you could work on Obama's economics team with that kind of
planning....

Sounds like you are willing to throw a whole economy down the drain
because you get inconvenience once in a while. Oh well, have fun with
that horse and buggy


Wow.. talk about an illogical rant. ;-)

I get it. You've driven a truck, and are a big truck driver
cheerleader and apologist.

I've driven a delivery truck in Atlanta while I was going to school
there. I've also driven a motorhome a few thousand miles. I've alway
been painfully aware of what I was driving, and was careful to be as
courteous as possible to the other people on the road. Funny, I never
had people act around me the way you say they act around you in your
rig. Maybe it's a reflection on your driving? Anyway, as was pointed
out to me here recently, expecting courtesy and respect from others
these days is expecting too much.

Peace out.

Uh, the folks that run around up here in the city don't have time to
"reflect on my driving", they are moving too fast for that... I can see
you are gonna' blame the truckers for swerving to avoid you with your
cell phone and your Big Mac... Oh well, like I said, have fun with your
horse and buggy

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

On Jun 26, 10:13*am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 3ccf2d1d-201a-4bd8-b51e-4ead3e35ec81
@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com, says...







On Jun 25, 10:51 am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article om,
says...

"Jack" wrote in message
...
On Jun 23, 8:06 pm, "mmc" wrote:
"I am Tosk" wrote in
l-september.org....

In article 1660a4fc-2c0c-46bd-a669-a72a65d5d112
@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jun 22, 10:34 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:29:00 -0400, W1TEF
wrote:

Even more so...

"None of the people in the fishing boat were wearing life jackets at
time of accident."

Sad.

It is sad, and it's really not clear exactly how it could have been
avoided other than greater vigilance/keeping out of the way. I have
to admit that I'm not much into wearing life jackets either except
under the most extreme circumstances, and it's not really clear that
wearing a life jacket will save you from being run over by 8 barges
and a tug. Probably not is my guess but you never know.

They probably became distracted by their fishing and didn't notice
the
barges until too late, or perhaps their engine failed to start at the
critical juncture, or maybe they had an anchor own and couldn't get
it up, etc. There are lots of possibilities I suppose but it does
drive home the danger associated with small recreational boats mixing
in with large commercial traffic.

One has to wonder if the tug operator suffers from the same malady
that many of the 18 wheeler drivers do. The "I'm a 'professional'
driver, and these mere regular people in their cars and trucks need to
get out of my way" attitude. Rules of navigation notwithstanding,
it's on his conscience now.

Must be a local thing... Most truckdrivers here are pretty good on the
road. They hate to crash, slows them down plenty..

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

I drove some for a couple jobs I had and after experiencing enough idiots
cutting in front of me and hearing about truckers dying or ending up
seriously injured rather than running (literally) over a "4 wheeler" I
took
the attitude that if a driver was stupid enough to make it a him/her or me
situation it was going to be him/her.

Are you one of those truckers who will run up behind a "4 wheeler" and
sit there, tailgating, a foot or two off their bumper, knowing that
you don't have a prayer of stopping if traffic slows suddenly? Or one
of those who switches into the left passing lane going downhill,
knowing full well an uphill is just a few hundred feet ahead, and now
you'll just become a moving roadblock, running beside your brethren
trucker in the right lane, for the next 5 miles, unwilling to speed up
to get by and move back over? Or the trucker that pulls out into a
two lane road with traffic approching, knowing it will take you a mile
or two of struggling just to barely approach the speed limit, all the
while with traffic backing up behind you?

And then you wonder why people seemingly cut in front of you? It's
because of many trucker's bad driving behavior and general lack of
driving courtesy. Besides, if you guys were such great drivers, we
wouldn't have to shut down the interstate on a nearly weekly basis
because some dumb trucker has spilled his load on one of the off-
ramps... you know, the ones that are clearly marked with a sharp turn
sign and a low speed limit.

I believe that 18 wheelers should be limited to interstates only, and
have to off-load their cargo to smaller trucks within a mile or two of
the interstate. That would eliminate the severe damage they inflict
on the secondary roads, and the havoc they inflict on traffic. If
they spill their load, they personally pay for the cleanup. Cause an
accident, lose your commercial license *forever*.

I do appreciate them hauling our cargo. Just don't act like an
asshole and try to kill us while doing it!

Wow, by the illogical rant I can only assume some crazy trucker ran off
with your first wife?? Just kidding, but you certainly have something
else going on besides a couple of slow moving or fast moving trucks.. I
guess they should all just go your speed, merge into your traffic
pattern for that particular day, yeah, that would solve everything...
Geeze.. "Going to fast spilling loads, going too slow, stopping me from
getting to Dunkin' Donuts"... "Make 'em offload at the highway ramp",
holy crap, you could work on Obama's economics team with that kind of
planning....

Sounds like you are willing to throw a whole economy down the drain
because you get inconvenience once in a while. Oh well, have fun with
that horse and buggy

Wow.. talk about an illogical rant. *;-)

I get it. *You've driven a truck, and are a big truck driver
cheerleader and apologist.

I've driven a delivery truck in Atlanta while I was going to school
there. *I've also driven a motorhome a few thousand miles. *I've alway
been painfully aware of what I was driving, and was careful to be as
courteous as possible to the other people on the road. *Funny, I never
had people act around me the way you say they act around you in your
rig. *Maybe it's a reflection on your driving? *Anyway, as was pointed
out to me here recently, expecting courtesy and respect from others
these days is expecting too much.

Peace out.

Uh, the folks that run around up here in the city don't have time to
"reflect on my driving", they are moving too fast for that... I can see
you are gonna' blame the truckers for swerving to avoid you with your
cell phone and your Big Mac... Oh well, like I said, have fun with your
horse and buggy

Bzztt... wrong answer. I'm the guy hating on anyone eating or
talking on their cell while driving. If you had bothered reading my
posts, you'd see that. I'm almost agreeing with harry about you...
almost.

Read carefully this time... because of how I drive, I don't have the
issues you seem to have with the 4 wheelers. Maybe it's because of
how I drive, or maybe it's because of the bad drivers in your area. I
don't know.

What you don't know is how the drivers in *my* area drive. Do you?
Have you spent *any* time here? Didn't think so.

In the end, you are in no position to pass judgment on what I see on
my local roads. Unless you are clairvoyant. Right?

What a bunch of stupid OT post written by a bunch of inconsiderate idiots
who are too lazy to delete the useless post before them and t'boot wouldn't
know a boat from a choo choo train, much less anything about the Rules.