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On Wed, 12 May 2010 11:54:44 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Wed, 12 May 2010 06:13:43 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Tue, 11 May 2010 21:34:35 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 11 May 2010 21:01:58 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

health insurance costs under the free market were increasing at
double
digit rates! guess you right wingers missed that part!

You ain't seen nothing yet. They just added a lot of extra liability
to the insurance plans and did nothing to restrict the price they
will
charge for it.

by liability

right wingers mean 'human beings'.

Liability is the ability to pay to treat those human beings. You seem,
to believe health care is free.

death is free. is that what you're advocating? we spend a **** load
of money subsidizing wall street, large agriculture,etc

your preference is to pay for this by letting the weak, the ill, the
unemployed die?

This bill has dumped those people on Medicaid so it will show up in
your state taxes or the money will have to be taken away from other
state programs (roads, cops, firemen and schools). Again you think
there is a free lunch out there somewhere.
I suggest you take a long hard look at Greece. They thought there was
a free lunch too. Our deficit problem is really only a few points
better than theirs (9% of GDP vs 13%)

Our economy is nothing like Greece.

Our problems are not as bad but we have the same problem. Too many
people will be collecting entitlements vs the number working, very
soon.

Yes, not as bad. Nobody is claiming the problems we have are trivial.

bpuharic

On Thu, 13 May 2010 01:15:15 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 12 May 2010 11:53:57 -0700, "nom=de=plume"

There may not be as many new customers as the government predicts.
When you tell the 20 somethings that they can buy a $6,000 a year
insurance policy or pay a fine of a few hundred bucks, they will pay
the fine. Even OMB agrees with that.

Nobody ever said anyone in the medical establishment will be hurting.
This bill guarantees everyone from the doctors, hospitals and drug
companies to the insurance companies will be making a lot of money.
it will be the patients who will be hurting since there were no cost
controls in this bill.

Very similar arguments were made by Republicans when Social Security and
Medicare came into being. It's just not true.

Medicare ended up costing several times the original CBO projection at
the 10 year mark.

fine. let's use the conservative argument against 'obamacare'.

let the old folks die. it costs too much

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