Must be an east coast thing
 

Got a call Wed from the Martin County marina that I needed to move my
boat by Friday cuz they had my space reserved for a big boat and I had
only reserved my spot for a month. CRAP it's a six hour drive to
Stuart from Tallahassee but I got online and immediately found a slip
nearby.
So, Thur drove down and moved Ragtime over to the Harborage Marina.
Talking to the dockmaster woman (is a female dockmaster a
dockmistress), I learned that until two weeks ago, they had no
vacancies but many insurance policies say that unless a boat is north
of a certain point by May 1 then their insurance goes waaaaaaay up.
Half the marina was empty. I've never encountered this on the Gulf
Coast probably because the enclosed Gulf has nowhere far enough north
to go to get out of the way of hurricanes.
I was told that it is expected that boats get hauled out for hurricane
season. What a radical change for me because where I normally keep my
boat I'd have to go 70 miles to find a haul-out facility. In Stuart,
there are at least 8 within 5 miles.

Must be an east coast thing
 

On 5/7/10 12:20 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
Got a call Wed from the Martin County marina that I needed to move my
boat by Friday cuz they had my space reserved for a big boat and I had
only reserved my spot for a month. CRAP it's a six hour drive to
Stuart from Tallahassee but I got online and immediately found a slip
nearby.
So, Thur drove down and moved Ragtime over to the Harborage Marina.
Talking to the dockmaster woman (is a female dockmaster a
dockmistress), I learned that until two weeks ago, they had no
vacancies but many insurance policies say that unless a boat is north
of a certain point by May 1 then their insurance goes waaaaaaay up.
Half the marina was empty. I've never encountered this on the Gulf
Coast probably because the enclosed Gulf has nowhere far enough north
to go to get out of the way of hurricanes.
I was told that it is expected that boats get hauled out for hurricane
season. What a radical change for me because where I normally keep my
boat I'd have to go 70 miles to find a haul-out facility. In Stuart,
there are at least 8 within 5 miles.


Hey, it's only, what, 80 miles to west end, bahamas? Why, in your boat,
you could make that in less than a week, if the mast doesn't fall off...

Go for it!




--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

Must be an east coast thing
 

On Fri, 07 May 2010 12:26:16 -0400, hk
wrote:

Hey, it's only, what, 80 miles to west end, bahamas? Why, in your boat,
you could make that in less than a week, if the mast doesn't fall off...

And in your low transom Parker you could make it in less than three
hours if you didn't get pooped by a wave over the transom. That's a
big *if* however.

PS, the denizens of 'rec.boats.cruising' have voted you off the island
because of your self professed dislike for cruising. It's better to
fly, remember?

Must be an east coast thing
 

On 5/7/10 2:34 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 07 May 2010 12:26:16 -0400,
wrote:

Hey, it's only, what, 80 miles to west end, bahamas? Why, in your boat,
you could make that in less than a week, if the mast doesn't fall off...

And in your low transom Parker you could make it in less than three
hours if you didn't get pooped by a wave over the transom. That's a
big *if* however.

PS, the denizens of 'rec.boats.cruising' have voted you off the island
because of your self professed dislike for cruising. It's better to
fly, remember?


How are you kids doing, w'hine?

--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

Must be an east coast thing
 

On Fri, 07 May 2010 15:35:44 -0400, hk
wrote:

How are you kids doing?

They're doing just great, thanks for asking. We hear from them all
the time.

How about yours?

Must be an east coast thing
 

On 5/7/10 4:27 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 07 May 2010 15:35:44 -0400,
wrote:

How are you kids doing?

They're doing just great, thanks for asking. We hear from them all
the time.

How about yours?

Doing well. One, along with probably two of three grandkids, will be
heading here soon. Lives a few states away.

--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

Must be an east coast thing
 

On Fri, 07 May 2010 16:31:16 -0400, hk
wrote:

Doing well. One, along with probably two of three grandkids, will be
heading here soon. Lives a few states away.

It's important to remember how many grand children you have.

Must be an east coast thing
 

On 5/7/10 4:39 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 07 May 2010 16:31:16 -0400,
wrote:

Doing well. One, along with probably two of three grandkids, will be
heading here soon. Lives a few states away.

It's important to remember how many grand children you have.

That, and their names. The third landed a *paying* summer job as a life
guard and counselor at a camp in New Hampshire.





--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

Must be an east coast thing
 

On 5/7/10 5:29 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 May 2010 09:20:38 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Got a call Wed from the Martin County marina that I needed to move my
boat by Friday cuz they had my space reserved for a big boat and I had
only reserved my spot for a month. CRAP it's a six hour drive to
Stuart from Tallahassee but I got online and immediately found a slip
nearby.
So, Thur drove down and moved Ragtime over to the Harborage Marina.
Talking to the dockmaster woman (is a female dockmaster a
dockmistress), I learned that until two weeks ago, they had no
vacancies but many insurance policies say that unless a boat is north
of a certain point by May 1 then their insurance goes waaaaaaay up.
Half the marina was empty. I've never encountered this on the Gulf
Coast probably because the enclosed Gulf has nowhere far enough north
to go to get out of the way of hurricanes.
I was told that it is expected that boats get hauled out for hurricane
season. What a radical change for me because where I normally keep my
boat I'd have to go 70 miles to find a haul-out facility. In Stuart,
there are at least 8 within 5 miles.


It must be hard being a dock mistress. Your spike heels keep getting
stuck between the dock boards.

As for the East Coast, they are in a lot higher wind code zone so the
risk is higher. You are probably in the 120 MPH zone, they are 150.

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/windcodemap.jpg


Doubtful frog has anything other than liability insurance on that hulk.


--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

Must be an east coast thing
 

On Fri, 07 May 2010 17:29:00 -0400, wrote:

As for the East Coast, they are in a lot higher wind code zone so the
risk is higher. You are probably in the 120 MPH zone, they are 150.

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/windcodemap.jpg

Am I reading this correctly? Looks like you and I are in the 120
zone, Sanibel and Captiva, 130. Is that correct? What about the
Keys?

Must be an east coast thing
 

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
Got a call Wed from the Martin County marina that I needed to move my
boat by Friday cuz they had my space reserved for a big boat and I had
only reserved my spot for a month. CRAP it's a six hour drive to
Stuart from Tallahassee but I got online and immediately found a slip
nearby.
So, Thur drove down and moved Ragtime over to the Harborage Marina.
Talking to the dockmaster woman (is a female dockmaster a
dockmistress), I learned that until two weeks ago, they had no
vacancies but many insurance policies say that unless a boat is north
of a certain point by May 1 then their insurance goes waaaaaaay up.
Half the marina was empty. I've never encountered this on the Gulf
Coast probably because the enclosed Gulf has nowhere far enough north
to go to get out of the way of hurricanes.
I was told that it is expected that boats get hauled out for hurricane
season. What a radical change for me because where I normally keep my
boat I'd have to go 70 miles to find a haul-out facility. In Stuart,
there are at least 8 within 5 miles.

That certain point must be somewhere South of Melbourne. We've never been
"adjusted".

Must be an east coast thing
 

On 5/7/2010 7:15 PM, mmc wrote:
wrote in message
...
Got a call Wed from the Martin County marina that I needed to move my
boat by Friday cuz they had my space reserved for a big boat and I had
only reserved my spot for a month. CRAP it's a six hour drive to
Stuart from Tallahassee but I got online and immediately found a slip
nearby.
So, Thur drove down and moved Ragtime over to the Harborage Marina.
Talking to the dockmaster woman (is a female dockmaster a
dockmistress), I learned that until two weeks ago, they had no
vacancies but many insurance policies say that unless a boat is north
of a certain point by May 1 then their insurance goes waaaaaaay up.
Half the marina was empty. I've never encountered this on the Gulf
Coast probably because the enclosed Gulf has nowhere far enough north
to go to get out of the way of hurricanes.
I was told that it is expected that boats get hauled out for hurricane
season. What a radical change for me because where I normally keep my
boat I'd have to go 70 miles to find a haul-out facility. In Stuart,
there are at least 8 within 5 miles.

That certain point must be somewhere South of Melbourne. We've never been
"adjusted".


Don't forget to look North next Friday at 228PM.

Must be an east coast thing
 

"moose" wrote in message
...
On 5/7/2010 7:15 PM, mmc wrote:
wrote in message
...
Got a call Wed from the Martin County marina that I needed to move my
boat by Friday cuz they had my space reserved for a big boat and I had
only reserved my spot for a month. CRAP it's a six hour drive to
Stuart from Tallahassee but I got online and immediately found a slip
nearby.
So, Thur drove down and moved Ragtime over to the Harborage Marina.
Talking to the dockmaster woman (is a female dockmaster a
dockmistress), I learned that until two weeks ago, they had no
vacancies but many insurance policies say that unless a boat is north
of a certain point by May 1 then their insurance goes waaaaaaay up.
Half the marina was empty. I've never encountered this on the Gulf
Coast probably because the enclosed Gulf has nowhere far enough north
to go to get out of the way of hurricanes.
I was told that it is expected that boats get hauled out for hurricane
season. What a radical change for me because where I normally keep my
boat I'd have to go 70 miles to find a haul-out facility. In Stuart,
there are at least 8 within 5 miles.

That certain point must be somewhere South of Melbourne. We've never been
"adjusted".


Don't forget to look North next Friday at 228PM.

Thanks, our local news channel and FLA Today do a pretty good job of posting
launches unless it's secret payload stuff then the omit the time. I still
sometimes forget until I hear the rumble.

Must be an east coast thing
 

On May 7, 5:38*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 07 May 2010 17:29:00 -0400, wrote:
As for the East Coast, they are in a lot higher wind code zone so the
risk is higher. *You are probably in the 120 MPH zone, they are 150.

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/windcodemap.jpg

Am I reading this correctly? *Looks like you and I are in the 120
zone, Sanibel and Captiva, 130. *Is that correct? *What about the
Keys?

Wayne, the newest building code IBC 2009 has more detailed maps for a
lot of specific areas on the Florida coast, so you may be in an even
higher category (or less) locally.

Must be an east coast thing
 

On Sat, 8 May 2010 08:06:20 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker
wrote:

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/windcodemap.jpg

Am I reading this correctly? *Looks like you and I are in the 120
zone, Sanibel and Captiva, 130. *Is that correct? *What about the
Keys?

Wayne, the newest building code IBC 2009 has more detailed maps for a
lot of specific areas on the Florida coast, so you may be in an even
higher category (or less) locally.

Are there any web sites with maps for the IBC 2009 wind zones ?

Must be an east coast thing
 

On Sun, 09 May 2010 00:47:29 -0400, wrote:

Wayne, the newest building code IBC 2009 has more detailed maps for a
lot of specific areas on the Florida coast, so you may be in an even
higher category (or less) locally.

Are there any web sites with maps for the IBC 2009 wind zones ?


I can't find the map he is talking about but this is where you can see
the FBC
http://www2.iccsafe.org/states/florida_codes/

Thanks.

Must be an east coast thing
 

On May 8, 1:11*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 8 May 2010 08:06:20 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker

wrote:
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/windcodemap.jpg

Am I reading this correctly? *Looks like you and I are in the 120
zone, Sanibel and Captiva, 130. *Is that correct? *What about the
Keys?

Wayne, the newest building code IBC 2009 has more detailed maps for a
lot of specific areas on the Florida coast, so you may be in an even
higher category (or less) locally.

Are there any web sites with maps for the IBC 2009 wind zones ?

Don't know, but tomorrow I can scan a copy easy enough. There must be
sites that have it, I'll look.

Must be an east coast thing
 

On May 9, 11:58*am, wrote:
On Sun, 09 May 2010 09:04:07 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
On Sun, 09 May 2010 00:47:29 -0400, wrote:

Wayne, the newest building code IBC 2009 has more detailed maps for a
lot of specific areas on the Florida coast, so you may be in an even
higher category (or less) locally.

Are there any web sites with maps for the IBC 2009 wind zones ?

I can't find the map he is talking about but this is where you can see
the FBC
http://www2.iccsafe.org/states/florida_codes/

Thanks.

Bear in mind these maps are just a guideline. Each AHJ will pick a
zone and all construction in that jurisdiction will be permitted based
on that zone as a general rule. They may want more on a barrier island
but in Lee County, Sanibel/Captiva and FMB are separate jurisdictions
so that line is easier to delineate. We only have 67 counties but
there are hundreds of AHJs. Sanibel, Cape, Bonita, FMB and the City of
Ft Myers all have their own building departments.
Florida only has one building code, but each AHJ will have his own
"interpretation" of what it says *;-) *

Florida's building code is the IBC with Florida amendments. Anyway,
when mapping wind speeds, you interpolate, meaning that if the locale
is between a 120mph isobar and a 130mph isobar, you can design for 125
as opposed to going with the higher value.

Must be an east coast thing
 

On May 9, 12:21*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 9 May 2010 09:02:41 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker





wrote:
On May 9, 11:58*am, wrote:
On Sun, 09 May 2010 09:04:07 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
On Sun, 09 May 2010 00:47:29 -0400, wrote:

Wayne, the newest building code IBC 2009 has more detailed maps for a
lot of specific areas on the Florida coast, so you may be in an even
higher category (or less) locally.

Are there any web sites with maps for the IBC 2009 wind zones ?

I can't find the map he is talking about but this is where you can see
the FBC
http://www2.iccsafe.org/states/florida_codes/

Thanks.

Bear in mind these maps are just a guideline. Each AHJ will pick a
zone and all construction in that jurisdiction will be permitted based
on that zone as a general rule. They may want more on a barrier island
but in Lee County, Sanibel/Captiva and FMB are separate jurisdictions
so that line is easier to delineate. We only have 67 counties but
there are hundreds of AHJs. Sanibel, Cape, Bonita, FMB and the City of
Ft Myers all have their own building departments.
Florida only has one building code, but each AHJ will have his own
"interpretation" of what it says *;-) *

Florida's building code is the IBC with Florida amendments. Anyway,
when mapping wind speeds, you interpolate, meaning that if the locale
is between a 120mph isobar and a 130mph isobar, you can design for 125
as opposed to going with the higher value.

I can only speak for how it works in Lee County. They always seem to
round up when it comes to wind codes. All plans have to be stamped as
complying to 130 MPH whether you are west of 41 or out in eastern
Lehigh from what I have seen.
My wife built in Crown Colony, Emerson (west of 41) and in Verandah
out in Buckingham. The wind rules were the same from what I saw in the
plans. Engineers exacerbate that problem by only having one set of
"notes and details" in their computer, usually for the highest wind
zone they might encounter. On my addition I spend some hours at the
engineer's place, trying to get my plans through Lee County. It took 7
tries. This really seems to be more "click and print" than
"engineering". They get details from the state for the various
elements that they cut and paste onto the plan. In the end, the county
took my drawings with the engineer's details.
When I asked the engineer, he said this was far stronger than any
number he would ever come up with in computations but that was what
the county expected to see so that was what he spec'ed.
I ended up with a 16' beam (8x16 concrete) with 2 #5s and 4 #7s in it.
It only carries a shingle roof on trusses.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The local jurisdiction has precedent over the state, indeed. It gets
complicated. When doing code research to start a project, you have to
first find out the applicable code, then design by that code, but also
be aware of any local (county) amendments to that code.

Must be an east coast thing
 

On May 9, 12:21*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 9 May 2010 09:02:41 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker





wrote:
On May 9, 11:58*am, wrote:
On Sun, 09 May 2010 09:04:07 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
On Sun, 09 May 2010 00:47:29 -0400, wrote:

Wayne, the newest building code IBC 2009 has more detailed maps for a
lot of specific areas on the Florida coast, so you may be in an even
higher category (or less) locally.

Are there any web sites with maps for the IBC 2009 wind zones ?

I can't find the map he is talking about but this is where you can see
the FBC
http://www2.iccsafe.org/states/florida_codes/

Thanks.

Bear in mind these maps are just a guideline. Each AHJ will pick a
zone and all construction in that jurisdiction will be permitted based
on that zone as a general rule. They may want more on a barrier island
but in Lee County, Sanibel/Captiva and FMB are separate jurisdictions
so that line is easier to delineate. We only have 67 counties but
there are hundreds of AHJs. Sanibel, Cape, Bonita, FMB and the City of
Ft Myers all have their own building departments.
Florida only has one building code, but each AHJ will have his own
"interpretation" of what it says *;-) *

Florida's building code is the IBC with Florida amendments. Anyway,
when mapping wind speeds, you interpolate, meaning that if the locale
is between a 120mph isobar and a 130mph isobar, you can design for 125
as opposed to going with the higher value.

I can only speak for how it works in Lee County. They always seem to
round up when it comes to wind codes. All plans have to be stamped as
complying to 130 MPH whether you are west of 41 or out in eastern
Lehigh from what I have seen.
My wife built in Crown Colony, Emerson (west of 41) and in Verandah
out in Buckingham. The wind rules were the same from what I saw in the
plans. Engineers exacerbate that problem by only having one set of
"notes and details" in their computer, usually for the highest wind
zone they might encounter. On my addition I spend some hours at the
engineer's place, trying to get my plans through Lee County. It took 7
tries. This really seems to be more "click and print" than
"engineering". They get details from the state for the various
elements that they cut and paste onto the plan. In the end, the county
took my drawings with the engineer's details.
When I asked the engineer, he said this was far stronger than any
number he would ever come up with in computations but that was what
the county expected to see so that was what he spec'ed.
I ended up with a 16' beam (8x16 concrete) with 2 #5s and 4 #7s in it.
It only carries a shingle roof on trusses.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, and the beam is not designed like that for what it "carries", but
for uplift from wind. And yes, for residential there are standard
designs, but not for industrial/commercial applications.

Must be an east coast thing
 

On May 9, 1:43*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 9 May 2010 10:02:02 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker

wrote:
When I asked the engineer, he said this was far stronger than any
number he would ever come up with in computations but that was what
the county expected to see so that was what he spec'ed.
I ended up with a 16' beam (8x16 concrete) with 2 #5s and 4 #7s in it.
It only carries a shingle roof on trusses.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, and the beam is not designed like that for what it "carries", but
for uplift from wind. And yes, for residential there are standard
designs, but not for industrial/commercial applications.

They are certainly looking at down force here since the #7s are on the
bottom and center with the #5 on top.

Well, of course in it's neutral state (no wind) there is downforce and
you therefore must have more reinforcing in the bottom because that
will be the tension face and the top would be the compression face.
Concrete doesn't perform well in tension, but in compression the
reinforcement is more for containment than anything. What did they
make you use for stirrups, #4's at 10" or so?