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Sent to me by a friend. Now I can better understand the relationships between
Democrats and tort reform. Not putting down Democrats, or anything, just thinking out loud. This hits close to home but makes some interesting points. A similar theme was articulated by Scalia a while back when he essentially said that "we are devoting too many of our best minds to lawyering". Barack Obama is a lawyer. Michelle Obama is a lawyer. Hillary Clinton is a lawyer. Bill Clinton is a lawyer. John Edwards is a lawyer. Elizabeth Edwards is a lawyer. Every Democrat nominee since 1984 went to law school (although Gore did not graduate). Every Democrat vice presidential nominee since 1976, except for Lloyd Bentsen, went to law school. Look at leaders of the Democrat Party in Congress: Harry Reid is a lawyer. Nancy Pelosi is a lawyer. The Republican Party is different. President Bush is a businessman.. Vice President Cheney is a businessman. The leaders of the Republican Revolution: Newt Gingrich was a history professor. Tom Delay was an exterminator. Dick Armey was an economist. House Minority Leader Boehner was a plastic manufacturer. The former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is a heart surgeon. Who was the last Republican president who was a lawyer? Gerald Ford, who left office 31 years ago and who barely won the Republican nomination as a sitting president, running against Ronald Reagan in 1976. The Republican Party is made up of real people doing real work, who are often the targets of lawyers. The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers. Democrats mock and scorn men who create wealth, like Bush and Cheney, or who heal the sick, like Frist, or who immerse themselves in history, like Gingrich. The Lawyers' Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and services that people want, as the enemies of America. And, so we have seen the procession of official enemies, in the eyes of the Lawyers' Party, grow. Against whom do Hillary and Obama rail? Pharmaceutical companies, oil companies, hospitals, manufacturers, fast food restaurant chains, large retail businesses, bankers, and anyone producing anything of value in our nation. This is the natural consequence of viewing everything through the eyes of lawyers. Lawyers solve problems by successfully representing their clients, in this case the American people. Lawyers seek to have new laws passed, they seek to win lawsuits, they press appellate courts to overturn precedent, and lawyers always parse language to favor their side. Confined to the narrow practice of law, that is fine. But it is an awful way to govern a great nation. When politicians as lawyers begin to view some Americans as clients and other Americans as opposing parties, then the role of the legal system in our life becomes all-consuming. Some Americans become "adverse parties" of our very government. We are not all litigants in some vast social class-action suit. We are citizens of a republic that promises us a great deal of freedom from laws, from courts, and from lawyers. Today, we are drowning in laws; we are contorted by judicial decisions; we are driven to distraction by omnipresent lawyers in all parts of our once private lives. America has a place for laws and lawyers, but that place is modest and reasonable, not vast and unchecked. When the most important decision for our next president is whom he will appoint to the Supreme Court, the role of lawyers and the law in America is too big.. When lawyers use criminal prosecution as a continuation of politics by other means, as happened in the lynching of Scooter Libby and Tom Delay, then the power of lawyers in America is too great. When House Democrats sue America in order to hamstring our efforts to learn what our enemies are planning to do to us, then the role of litigation in America has become crushing. We cannot expect the Lawyers' Party to provide real change, real reform or real hope in America Most Americans know that a republic in which every major government action must be blessed by nine unelected judges is not what Washington intended in 1789. Most Americans grasp that we cannot fight a war when ACLU lawsuits snap at the heels of our defenders. Most Americans intuit that more lawyers and judges will not restore declining moral values or spark the spirit of enterprise in our economy.. Perhaps Americans will understand that change cannot be brought to our nation by those lawyers who already largely dictate American society and business. Perhaps Americans will see that hope does not come from the mouths of lawyers but from personal dreams nourished by hard work. Perhaps Americans will embrace the truth that more lawyers with more power will only make our problems worse. The United States has 5% of the world's population and 66% of the world's lawyers! Tort (Legal) reform legislation has been introduced in Congress several times in the last several years to limit punitive damages in ridiculous lawsuits such as "spilling hot coffee on yourself and suing the establishment that sold it to you" and also to limit punitive damages in huge medical malpractice lawsuits. This legislation has continually been blocked from even being voted on by the Democrat Party. When you see that 97% of the political contributions from the American Trial Lawyers Association goes to the Democrat Party, then you realize who is responsible for our medical and product costs being so high! -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
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On 4/27/10 5:41 PM, John H wrote:
The Republican Party is different. Yeah. It sure is. President Bush is a businessman.. A lousy one. Vice President Cheney is a businessman. And an unconvicted felon. The leaders of the Republican Revolution: Newt Gingrich was a history professor. who deserted his cancer-ridden wife. Tom Delay was an exterminator. Dick Armey was an economist. Bozos, both of htem. House Minority Leader Boehner was a plastic manufacturer. who can't tell the truth about anything. The former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is a heart surgeon. who was on the wrong side medically in the terry schiavo case. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygxs5v Your heros are bozos. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H
wrote: President Bush is a businessman.. and he killed 4400 US troops and spent a trillion dollars in a war he could not win Vice President Cheney is a businessman. and he proved that by meeting behind closed doors with exxon to write US energy policy The leaders of the Republican Revolution: Newt Gingrich was a history professor. and he believed that slavery was virtually non existent in the US. Tom Delay was an exterminator. Dick Armey was an economist. so was phil gramm. gramm and his enron VP wife, wrote the law that prevented the govt from regulating derivatives. The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers. Democrats mock and scorn men who create wealth, like Bush and Cheney create wealth?? HAHAHAHAHA!!! in the past 10 years the middle class has't had a pay increase. read THIS article by a noted CONSERVATIVE, david frum: http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/04/2....html?hpt=Sbin the rich created wealth by STEALING from the MIDDLE class then having the balls to make the middle class pay for their mistakes , or who heal the sick, like Frist, or who immerse themselves in history, like Gingrich. and gingrich? what was his view on slavery and racism? The Lawyers' Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and services that people want, as the enemies of America. And, so we have seen the procession of official enemies, in the eyes of the Lawyers' Party, grow. enemies? like bush locking up US citizens on US soil without trial? Against whom do Hillary and Obama rail? Pharmaceutical companies, oil companies, hospitals, manufacturers, fast food restaurant chains, large retail businesses, bankers, and anyone producing anything of value in our nation. or like the wealthy right wingers who turn meat packaging over to the meat companies, resulting in E coli infections in children, or drug pricing to the drug companies resuting in the US having the highest drug prices in the world, or turning healthcare over to insurance companies resulting in the US having the highest healthcare costs in the world... that the type of business you mean? Today, we are drowning in laws gee. the GOP controlled the govt...totally...for 6 years. did they reduce the number of laws? nope. .. When House Democrats sue America in order to hamstring our efforts to learn what our enemies are planning to do to us, then the role of litigation in America has become crushing. anybody know what this means? how do democrats 'sue america'? We cannot expect the Lawyers' Party to provide real change gee. we just got healthcare. that looks like real change. the GOP? nothing. except 4400 dead US troops. , real reform or real hope in America Most Americans know that a republic in which every major government action must be blessed by nine unelected judges is not what Washington intended in 1789. Most Americans grasp that we cannot fight a war when ACLU lawsuits snap at the heels of our defenders. Most Americans intuit that more lawyers and judges will not restore declining moral values or spark the spirit of enterprise in our economy.. declining moral values? anybody know what this means? OOHHHH...now i remember...put a cop in every bedroom to make sure you're having govt approved sex... in the name of a conservative, smaller govt. The United States has 5% of the world's population and 66% of the world's lawyers! Tort (Legal) reform legislation has been introduced in Congress several times in the last several years to limit punitive damages notice limit punitive damages? any sign of increased responsibility on the part of corporations? the rich? nope 29 miners die in w. virginia. their famiies sue. why? because there are few laws protecting minors mothers whose children die from e coli infections sue. why? because there are no laws protecting our food supply and why are there no laws? because the 'business men' of whom you speak so highly...protected themselves by not permitting such laws to exist. no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any protection at all |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:46:29 -0400, hk
wrote: On 4/27/10 5:41 PM, John H wrote: The Republican Party is different. Yeah. It sure is. President Bush is a businessman.. A lousy one. yep. he went bankrupt every time Vice President Cheney is a businessman. And an unconvicted felon. yep. he thought exxon was more important than the american people |
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"John H" wrote in message
... Sent to me by a friend. Now I can better understand the relationships between Democrats and tort reform. Not putting down Democrats, or anything, just thinking out loud. This hits close to home but makes some interesting points. A similar theme was articulated by Scalia a while back when he essentially said that "we are devoting too many of our best minds to lawyering". Barack Obama is a lawyer. Michelle Obama is a lawyer. Hillary Clinton is a lawyer. Bill Clinton is a lawyer. John Edwards is a lawyer. Elizabeth Edwards is a lawyer. Every Democrat nominee since 1984 went to law school (although Gore did not graduate). Every Democrat vice presidential nominee since 1976, except for Lloyd Bentsen, went to law school. Look at leaders of the Democrat Party in Congress: Harry Reid is a lawyer. Nancy Pelosi is a lawyer. The Republican Party is different. President Bush is a businessman.. Vice President Cheney is a businessman. The leaders of the Republican Revolution: Newt Gingrich was a history professor. Tom Delay was an exterminator. Dick Armey was an economist. House Minority Leader Boehner was a plastic manufacturer. The former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is a heart surgeon. Who was the last Republican president who was a lawyer? Gerald Ford, who left office 31 years ago and who barely won the Republican nomination as a sitting president, running against Ronald Reagan in 1976. The Republican Party is made up of real people doing real work, who are often the targets of lawyers. The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers. Democrats mock and scorn men who create wealth, like Bush and Cheney, or who heal the sick, like Frist, or who immerse themselves in history, like Gingrich. The Lawyers' Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and services that people want, as the enemies of America. And, so we have seen the procession of official enemies, in the eyes of the Lawyers' Party, grow. Against whom do Hillary and Obama rail? Pharmaceutical companies, oil companies, hospitals, manufacturers, fast food restaurant chains, large retail businesses, bankers, and anyone producing anything of value in our nation. This is the natural consequence of viewing everything through the eyes of lawyers. Lawyers solve problems by successfully representing their clients, in this case the American people. Lawyers seek to have new laws passed, they seek to win lawsuits, they press appellate courts to overturn precedent, and lawyers always parse language to favor their side. Confined to the narrow practice of law, that is fine. But it is an awful way to govern a great nation. When politicians as lawyers begin to view some Americans as clients and other Americans as opposing parties, then the role of the legal system in our life becomes all-consuming. Some Americans become "adverse parties" of our very government. We are not all litigants in some vast social class-action suit. We are citizens of a republic that promises us a great deal of freedom from laws, from courts, and from lawyers. Today, we are drowning in laws; we are contorted by judicial decisions; we are driven to distraction by omnipresent lawyers in all parts of our once private lives. America has a place for laws and lawyers, but that place is modest and reasonable, not vast and unchecked. When the most important decision for our next president is whom he will appoint to the Supreme Court, the role of lawyers and the law in America is too big.. When lawyers use criminal prosecution as a continuation of politics by other means, as happened in the lynching of Scooter Libby and Tom Delay, then the power of lawyers in America is too great. When House Democrats sue America in order to hamstring our efforts to learn what our enemies are planning to do to us, then the role of litigation in America has become crushing. We cannot expect the Lawyers' Party to provide real change, real reform or real hope in America Most Americans know that a republic in which every major government action must be blessed by nine unelected judges is not what Washington intended in 1789. Most Americans grasp that we cannot fight a war when ACLU lawsuits snap at the heels of our defenders. Most Americans intuit that more lawyers and judges will not restore declining moral values or spark the spirit of enterprise in our economy.. Perhaps Americans will understand that change cannot be brought to our nation by those lawyers who already largely dictate American society and business. Perhaps Americans will see that hope does not come from the mouths of lawyers but from personal dreams nourished by hard work. Perhaps Americans will embrace the truth that more lawyers with more power will only make our problems worse. The United States has 5% of the world's population and 66% of the world's lawyers! Tort (Legal) reform legislation has been introduced in Congress several times in the last several years to limit punitive damages in ridiculous lawsuits such as "spilling hot coffee on yourself and suing the establishment that sold it to you" and also to limit punitive damages in huge medical malpractice lawsuits. This legislation has continually been blocked from even being voted on by the Democrat Party. When you see that 97% of the political contributions from the American Trial Lawyers Association goes to the Democrat Party, then you realize who is responsible for our medical and product costs being so high! -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v Yeah, and lets look at who ruined the US economy... Bush/Cheney "businessmen." -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 27/04/2010 3:46 PM, hk wrote:
On 4/27/10 5:41 PM, John H wrote: The Republican Party is different. Yeah. It sure is. Thank god. President Bush is a businessman.. A lousy one. Better than Obama who never owned his own business. But does explain why Obama is sucha dip**** about maters of economics. Vice President Cheney is a businessman. And an unconvicted felon. Funny, there is a list on the internet of the 2000 congress and criminal records, about 2/3rds were democrats. The leaders of the Republican Revolution: Newt Gingrich was a history professor. who deserted his cancer-ridden wife. I know liberals who have deserted 12 children. To a large degree to be a corrupt politician and live with yourself you would need an above average score as a sociopath. That is true of ANY politican. It is supported by research that politicians, CEOs, lawyers, pimps, drug dealers, profession car and home theives share higher than average sociopathy. The largest difference is the class, opportunity and education. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:07:54 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 27/04/2010 3:46 PM, hk wrote: On 4/27/10 5:41 PM, John H wrote: The Republican Party is different. Yeah. It sure is. Thank god. President Bush is a businessman.. A lousy one. Better than Obama who never owned his own business. neither did bush. daddy's friend bankrolled his. But does explain why Obama is sucha dip**** about maters of economics. ROFLMAO!! who spent a trillion in iraq? BUSH! Vice President Cheney is a businessman. And an unconvicted felon. Funny, there is a list on the internet of the 2000 congress and criminal records, about 2/3rds were democrats. that's because the GOP, being the party of the rich, just writes the laws so that what the rich do isn't a crime |
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On Apr 27, 5:41*pm, John H wrote:
*Sent to me by a friend. Now I can better understand the relationships between Democrats and tort reform. Not putting down Democrats, or anything, just thinking out loud. This hits close to home but makes some interesting points. A similar theme *was articulated by Scalia a while back when he essentially said that "we *are devoting too many of our best minds to lawyering". *Barack Obama is a lawyer. *Michelle Obama is a lawyer. *Hillary Clinton is a lawyer. *Bill Clinton is a lawyer. *John Edwards is a lawyer. *Elizabeth Edwards is a lawyer. *Every Democrat nominee since 1984 went to law school (although Gore did *not graduate). *Every Democrat vice presidential nominee since 1976, except for Lloyd *Bentsen, went to law school. *Look at leaders of the Democrat Party in Congress: *Harry Reid is a lawyer. *Nancy Pelosi is a lawyer. *The Republican Party is different. *President Bush is a businessman.. *Vice President Cheney is a businessman. *The leaders of the Republican Revolution: *Newt Gingrich was a history professor. *Tom Delay was an exterminator. Dick Armey was an economist. *House Minority Leader Boehner was a plastic manufacturer. *The former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is a heart surgeon. *Who was the last Republican president who was a lawyer? Gerald Ford, who *left office 31 years ago and who barely won the Republican nomination as a *sitting president, running against Ronald Reagan in 1976. The Republican *Party is made up of real people doing real work, who are often the targets *of lawyers. *The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers. Democrats mock and scorn men *who create wealth, like Bush and Cheney, or who heal the sick, like Frist, *or who immerse themselves in history, like Gingrich. *The Lawyers' Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and *services that people want, as the enemies of America. And, so we have *seen the procession of official enemies, in the eyes of the Lawyers' *Party, grow. *Against whom do Hillary and Obama rail? Pharmaceutical companies, oil *companies, hospitals, manufacturers, fast food restaurant chains, large *retail businesses, bankers, and anyone producing anything of value in our *nation. *This is the natural consequence of viewing everything through the eyes of *lawyers. Lawyers solve problems by successfully representing their *clients, in this case the American people. Lawyers seek to have new laws *passed, they seek to win lawsuits, they press appellate courts to overturn *precedent, and lawyers always parse language to favor their side. *Confined to the narrow practice of law, that is fine. But it is an awful *way to govern a great nation. When politicians as lawyers begin to view *some Americans as clients and other Americans as opposing parties, then *the role of the legal system in our life becomes all-consuming. Some *Americans become "adverse parties" of our very government. We are not all *litigants in some vast social class-action suit. We are citizens of a *republic that promises us a great deal of freedom from laws, from courts, *and from lawyers. *Today, we are drowning in laws; we are contorted by judicial decisions; we *are driven to distraction by omnipresent lawyers in all parts of our once *private lives. America has a place for laws and lawyers, but that place *is modest and reasonable, not vast and unchecked. When the most important *decision for our next president is whom he will appoint to the Supreme *Court, the role of lawyers and the law in America is *too big.. When lawyers use criminal prosecution as a continuation of *politics by other means, as happened in the lynching of Scooter Libby and *Tom Delay, then the power of lawyers in America is too great. When *House Democrats sue America in order to hamstring our efforts to learn *what our enemies are planning to do to us, then the role of litigation in *America has become crushing. *We cannot expect the Lawyers' Party to provide real change, real reform or *real hope in America Most Americans know that a republic in which *every major government action must be blessed by nine unelected judges is *not what Washington intended in 1789. Most Americans grasp that we *cannot fight a war when ACLU lawsuits snap at the heels of our defenders. *Most Americans intuit that more lawyers and judges will not restore *declining moral values or spark the spirit of enterprise in our economy.. *Perhaps Americans will understand that change cannot be brought to our *nation by those lawyers who already largely dictate American society and *business. Perhaps Americans will see that hope does not come from the *mouths of lawyers but from personal dreams nourished by hard work. *Perhaps Americans will embrace the truth that more lawyers with more power *will only make our problems worse. *The United States has 5% of the world's population and 66% of the *world's lawyers! Tort (Legal) reform legislation has been introduced in *Congress several times in the last several years to limit punitive damages *in ridiculous lawsuits such as "spilling hot coffee on yourself and suing *the establishment that sold it to you" and also to limit punitive damages *in huge medical malpractice lawsuits. This legislation has continually *been blocked from even being voted on by the Democrat Party. When you see *that 97% of the political contributions from the American Trial Lawyers *Association goes to the Democrat Party, then you realize who is responsible *for our medical and product costs being so high! -- John H For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v Pssst...... According to congressmerge.com, a searchable database on the 110th congress... Your database search matched 78 members of Congress, including: •19 Senators and 58 Representatives •78 Republicans You searched for members of Congress who fulfill all the following criteria: •They are Republicans. •Their Professional experience includes "attorney". I found another 3 under lawyer for a total of 81 |
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Canuck57 wrote:
On 27/04/2010 3:46 PM, hk wrote: On 4/27/10 5:41 PM, John H wrote: The Republican Party is different. Yeah. It sure is. Thank god. President Bush is a businessman.. A lousy one. Better than Obama who never owned his own business. But does explain why Obama is sucha dip**** about maters of economics. Vice President Cheney is a businessman. And an unconvicted felon. Funny, there is a list on the internet of the 2000 congress and criminal records, about 2/3rds were democrats. The leaders of the Republican Revolution: Newt Gingrich was a history professor. who deserted his cancer-ridden wife. I know liberals who have deserted 12 children. To a large degree to be a corrupt politician and live with yourself you would need an above average score as a sociopath. That is true of ANY politican. It is supported by research that politicians, CEOs, lawyers, pimps, drug dealers, profession car and home theives share higher than average sociopathy. The largest difference is the class, opportunity and education. Four words says it all. John Edwards, Democrat Lawyer. Jim - Boy, they'd like to sweep him under the rug. |
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 06:13:03 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker
wrote: On Apr 27, 5:41*pm, John H wrote: *Sent to me by a friend. Now I can better understand the relationships between Democrats and tort reform. Not putting down Democrats, or anything, just thinking out loud. This hits close to home but makes some interesting points. A similar theme *was articulated by Scalia a while back when he essentially said that "we *are devoting too many of our best minds to lawyering". *Barack Obama is a lawyer. *Michelle Obama is a lawyer. *Hillary Clinton is a lawyer. *Bill Clinton is a lawyer. *John Edwards is a lawyer. *Elizabeth Edwards is a lawyer. *Every Democrat nominee since 1984 went to law school (although Gore did *not graduate). *Every Democrat vice presidential nominee since 1976, except for Lloyd *Bentsen, went to law school. *Look at leaders of the Democrat Party in Congress: *Harry Reid is a lawyer. *Nancy Pelosi is a lawyer. *The Republican Party is different. *President Bush is a businessman.. *Vice President Cheney is a businessman. *The leaders of the Republican Revolution: *Newt Gingrich was a history professor. *Tom Delay was an exterminator. Dick Armey was an economist. *House Minority Leader Boehner was a plastic manufacturer. *The former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is a heart surgeon. *Who was the last Republican president who was a lawyer? Gerald Ford, who *left office 31 years ago and who barely won the Republican nomination as a *sitting president, running against Ronald Reagan in 1976. The Republican *Party is made up of real people doing real work, who are often the targets *of lawyers. *The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers. Democrats mock and scorn men *who create wealth, like Bush and Cheney, or who heal the sick, like Frist, *or who immerse themselves in history, like Gingrich. *The Lawyers' Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and *services that people want, as the enemies of America. And, so we have *seen the procession of official enemies, in the eyes of the Lawyers' *Party, grow. *Against whom do Hillary and Obama rail? Pharmaceutical companies, oil *companies, hospitals, manufacturers, fast food restaurant chains, large *retail businesses, bankers, and anyone producing anything of value in our *nation. *This is the natural consequence of viewing everything through the eyes of *lawyers. Lawyers solve problems by successfully representing their *clients, in this case the American people. Lawyers seek to have new laws *passed, they seek to win lawsuits, they press appellate courts to overturn *precedent, and lawyers always parse language to favor their side. *Confined to the narrow practice of law, that is fine. But it is an awful *way to govern a great nation. When politicians as lawyers begin to view *some Americans as clients and other Americans as opposing parties, then *the role of the legal system in our life becomes all-consuming. Some *Americans become "adverse parties" of our very government. We are not all *litigants in some vast social class-action suit. We are citizens of a *republic that promises us a great deal of freedom from laws, from courts, *and from lawyers. *Today, we are drowning in laws; we are contorted by judicial decisions; we *are driven to distraction by omnipresent lawyers in all parts of our once *private lives. America has a place for laws and lawyers, but that place *is modest and reasonable, not vast and unchecked. When the most important *decision for our next president is whom he will appoint to the Supreme *Court, the role of lawyers and the law in America is *too big.. When lawyers use criminal prosecution as a continuation of *politics by other means, as happened in the lynching of Scooter Libby and *Tom Delay, then the power of lawyers in America is too great. When *House Democrats sue America in order to hamstring our efforts to learn *what our enemies are planning to do to us, then the role of litigation in *America has become crushing. *We cannot expect the Lawyers' Party to provide real change, real reform or *real hope in America Most Americans know that a republic in which *every major government action must be blessed by nine unelected judges is *not what Washington intended in 1789. Most Americans grasp that we *cannot fight a war when ACLU lawsuits snap at the heels of our defenders. *Most Americans intuit that more lawyers and judges will not restore *declining moral values or spark the spirit of enterprise in our economy.. *Perhaps Americans will understand that change cannot be brought to our *nation by those lawyers who already largely dictate American society and *business. Perhaps Americans will see that hope does not come from the *mouths of lawyers but from personal dreams nourished by hard work. *Perhaps Americans will embrace the truth that more lawyers with more power *will only make our problems worse. *The United States has 5% of the world's population and 66% of the *world's lawyers! Tort (Legal) reform legislation has been introduced in *Congress several times in the last several years to limit punitive damages *in ridiculous lawsuits such as "spilling hot coffee on yourself and suing *the establishment that sold it to you" and also to limit punitive damages *in huge medical malpractice lawsuits. This legislation has continually *been blocked from even being voted on by the Democrat Party. When you see *that 97% of the political contributions from the American Trial Lawyers *Association goes to the Democrat Party, then you realize who is responsible *for our medical and product costs being so high! -- John H For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v Pssst...... According to congressmerge.com, a searchable database on the 110th congress... Your database search matched 78 members of Congress, including: •19 Senators and 58 Representatives •78 Republicans You searched for members of Congress who fulfill all the following criteria: •They are Republicans. •Their Professional experience includes "attorney". I found another 3 under lawyer for a total of 81 So what? Like Jim says, liberals are dishonest as hell. You're a good example of same. Now hush. I'm done with you. Maybe in June I'll answer another of your inane posts. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:20:45 -0500, Jim wrote:
Canuck57 wrote: On 27/04/2010 3:46 PM, hk wrote: On 4/27/10 5:41 PM, John H wrote: The Republican Part who deserted his cancer-ridden wife. I know liberals who have deserted 12 children. To a large degree to be a corrupt politician and live with yourself you would need an above average score as a sociopath. That is true of ANY politican. It is supported by research that politicians, CEOs, lawyers, pimps, drug dealers, profession car and home theives share higher than average sociopathy. The largest difference is the class, opportunity and education. Four words says it all. John Edwards, Democrat Lawyer. george bush, rich white boy Jim - Boy, they'd like to sweep him under the rug. |
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On 27/04/2010 7:03 PM, bpuharic wrote:
ROFLMAO!! who spent a trillion in iraq? BUSH! Who debt-spent $2.5 trillion in 1/4 the time on jack ****? OBAMA! -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
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On Apr 27, 7:11*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H wrote: President Bush is a businessman.. and he killed 4400 US troops and spent a trillion dollars in a war he could not win Vice President Cheney is a businessman. and he proved that by meeting behind closed doors with exxon to write US energy policy The leaders of the Republican Revolution: Newt Gingrich was a history professor. and he believed that slavery was virtually non existent in the US. Tom Delay was an exterminator. Dick Armey was an economist. so was phil gramm. gramm and his enron VP wife, wrote the law that prevented the govt from regulating derivatives. The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers. Democrats mock and scorn men who create wealth, like Bush and Cheney create wealth?? * HAHAHAHAHA!!! in the past 10 years the middle class has't had a pay increase. read THIS article by a noted CONSERVATIVE, david frum: http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/04/2...ce.china/index.... the rich created wealth by STEALING from the MIDDLE class then having the balls to make the middle class pay for their mistakes , or who heal the sick, like Frist, or who immerse themselves in history, like Gingrich. and gingrich? what was his view on slavery and racism? The Lawyers' Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and services that people want, as the enemies of America. And, so we have seen the procession of official enemies, in the eyes of the Lawyers' Party, grow. enemies? like bush locking up US citizens on US soil without trial? Against whom do Hillary and Obama rail? Pharmaceutical companies, oil companies, hospitals, manufacturers, fast food restaurant chains, large retail businesses, bankers, and anyone producing anything of value in our nation. or like the wealthy right wingers who turn meat packaging over to the meat companies, resulting in E coli infections in children, or drug pricing to the drug companies resuting in the US having the highest drug prices in the world, or turning healthcare over to insurance companies resulting in the US having the highest healthcare costs in the world... that the type of business you mean? Today, we are drowning in laws gee. the GOP controlled the govt...totally...for 6 years. did they reduce the number of laws? nope. . When House Democrats sue America in order to hamstring our efforts to learn what our enemies are planning to do to us, then the role of litigation in America has become crushing. anybody know what this *means? how do democrats 'sue america'? We cannot expect the Lawyers' Party to provide real change gee. we just got healthcare. that looks like real change. the GOP? nothing. except 4400 dead US troops. , real reform or real hope in America Most Americans know that a republic in which every major government action must be blessed by nine unelected judges is not what Washington intended in 1789. Most Americans grasp that we cannot fight a war when ACLU lawsuits snap at the heels of our defenders. Most Americans intuit that more lawyers and judges will not restore declining moral values or spark the spirit of enterprise in our economy... declining moral values? anybody know what this means? OOHHHH...now i remember...put a cop in every bedroom to make sure you're having govt approved sex... in the name of a conservative, smaller govt. The United States has 5% of the world's population and 66% of the world's lawyers! Tort (Legal) reform legislation has been introduced in Congress several times in the last several years to limit punitive damages notice limit punitive damages? any sign of increased responsibility on the part of corporations? the rich? nope 29 miners die in w. virginia. their famiies sue. why? because there are few laws protecting minors mothers whose children die from e coli infections sue. why? because there are no laws protecting our food supply and why are there no laws? because the 'business men' of whom you speak so highly...protected themselves by not permitting such laws to exist. no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any protection at all Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class got screwed kick"? I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're posts do. Get over it, for Christ's sake. *You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K plan). Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. Take a hard look in the mirror. Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. Carry on with your ranting and raving. *You* got screwed. We get it. Good grief :) Mike |
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote: On Apr 27, 7:11*pm, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H wrote: no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any protection at all Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class got screwed kick"? I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're posts do. Get over it, for Christ's sake. ROFLMAO!! glenn beck cries rivers about the poor rich. canucks and others here telll us how we MUST suck the cocks of the rich because americans are REQUIRED to protect them and make them feel good *You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K plan). uh, no. me and 100,000,000 others did as we were told by the rich -we worked hard -we gave up our pensions to the rich -we used the ONLY retirement vehicle open: 401k's and we got screwed. all of use. the average drop in 401k's in the last 3 years was 35% 8,000,000 jobless. foreclosures at a record... Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. Take a hard look in the mirror. more right wing bull****. blame the victim. it's NEVER the rich, you see. THEY didn't invent CDO's. it's the fault of the middle class; although, as conservative david frum pointed out, the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in TEN YEARS so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class? Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. Carry on with your ranting and raving. *You* got screwed. We get it. Good grief :) yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem. caused by the unregulated free market. they have their delusions. i have the facts |
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"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: On Apr 27, 7:11 pm, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H wrote: no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any protection at all Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class got screwed kick"? I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're posts do. Get over it, for Christ's sake. ROFLMAO!! glenn beck cries rivers about the poor rich. canucks and others here telll us how we MUST suck the cocks of the rich because americans are REQUIRED to protect them and make them feel good *You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K plan). uh, no. me and 100,000,000 others did as we were told by the rich -we worked hard -we gave up our pensions to the rich -we used the ONLY retirement vehicle open: 401k's and we got screwed. all of use. the average drop in 401k's in the last 3 years was 35% 8,000,000 jobless. foreclosures at a record... Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. Take a hard look in the mirror. more right wing bull****. blame the victim. it's NEVER the rich, you see. THEY didn't invent CDO's. it's the fault of the middle class; although, as conservative david frum pointed out, the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in TEN YEARS so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class? Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. Carry on with your ranting and raving. *You* got screwed. We get it. Good grief :) yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem. caused by the unregulated free market. they have their delusions. i have the facts How many of the foreclosures were on homes with "stated income loans"? |
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On Apr 29, 6:18*am, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: On Apr 27, 7:11*pm, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H wrote: no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any protection at all Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class got screwed kick"? I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're posts do. *Get over it, for Christ's sake. ROFLMAO!! glenn beck cries rivers about the poor rich. canucks and others here telll us how we MUST suck the cocks of the rich because americans are REQUIRED to protect them and make them feel good *You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K plan). uh, no. me and 100,000,000 others did as we were told by the rich -we worked hard -we gave up our pensions to the rich -we used the ONLY retirement vehicle open: 401k's and we got screwed. all of use. the average drop in 401k's in the last 3 years was 35% 8,000,000 jobless. foreclosures at a record... Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. *Take a hard look in the mirror. more right wing bull****. blame the victim. it's NEVER the rich, you see. THEY didn't invent CDO's. it's the fault of the middle class; although, as conservative david frum pointed out, the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in TEN YEARS so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class? Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. *Carry on with your ranting and raving. *You* got screwed. *We get it. Good grief :) yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem. caused by the unregulated free market. they have their delusions. i have the facts As much as I can't stomach some of the sleezy losers on Wall Street, including the banks that endorsed creative BS financial tools like CDS's, do you honesty think we, as middle class, were not somewhat responsible for the record foreclosures, as you've claimed? I know people that were fully aware should not be trying to take out a loan for a $450K+ house but did so anyway. Also know people that purposely faked their true incomes to get the loans. And, many were on a "home-flipping" spree and bragging about it during the housing bubble. They knew what they were doing. But, according to you, it wasn't their fault. They were the "victims". Give me a break. *Many* were responsible for the housing bubble and subsequent crash. Including us regular Joe's and Jane's. But also people like your beloved Dems in Congress, namely The Honorable Congressman Barney Frank. |
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"Mike" wrote in message
... On Apr 29, 6:18 am, bpuharic wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: On Apr 27, 7:11 pm, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H wrote: no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any protection at all Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class got screwed kick"? I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're posts do. Get over it, for Christ's sake. ROFLMAO!! glenn beck cries rivers about the poor rich. canucks and others here telll us how we MUST suck the cocks of the rich because americans are REQUIRED to protect them and make them feel good *You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K plan). uh, no. me and 100,000,000 others did as we were told by the rich -we worked hard -we gave up our pensions to the rich -we used the ONLY retirement vehicle open: 401k's and we got screwed. all of use. the average drop in 401k's in the last 3 years was 35% 8,000,000 jobless. foreclosures at a record... Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. Take a hard look in the mirror. more right wing bull****. blame the victim. it's NEVER the rich, you see. THEY didn't invent CDO's. it's the fault of the middle class; although, as conservative david frum pointed out, the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in TEN YEARS so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class? Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. Carry on with your ranting and raving. *You* got screwed. We get it. Good grief :) yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem. caused by the unregulated free market. they have their delusions. i have the facts As much as I can't stomach some of the sleezy losers on Wall Street, including the banks that endorsed creative BS financial tools like CDS's, do you honesty think we, as middle class, were not somewhat responsible for the record foreclosures, as you've claimed? Yes. I think many people over-extended themselves without really thinking about it as much as they should. That doesn't absolve WS for lying and cheating though. I know people that were fully aware should not be trying to take out a loan for a $450K+ house but did so anyway. Also know people that purposely faked their true incomes to get the loans. And, many were on a "home-flipping" spree and bragging about it during the housing bubble. They knew what they were doing. I know people who were leveraged up to the Empire State's roof line. One couple bought 20 houses across the country. They're now bust. They didn't fake income, however. If you knew people that faked income or committed some other kind of fraud, did you turn them in? Probably not, so you can't be blameless either. But, according to you, it wasn't their fault. They were the "victims". Give me a break. *Many* were responsible for the housing bubble and subsequent crash. Including us regular Joe's and Jane's. But also people like your beloved Dems in Congress, namely The Honorable Congressman Barney Frank. Yes, there's blame to go around. I think we get your point. Now, as to solutions... WS needs regulation. Banks need regulation, but your beloved Republicans were blocking (up until yesterday) even debate on what should be done. Instead they wanted "backroom" deals first. |
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 05:51:52 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote: On Apr 29, 6:18*am, bpuharic wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class? Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. *Carry on with your ranting and raving. *You* got screwed. *We get it. Good grief :) yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem. caused by the unregulated free market. they have their delusions. i have the facts As much as I can't stomach some of the sleezy losers on Wall Street, including the banks that endorsed creative BS financial tools like CDS's, do you honesty think we, as middle class, were not somewhat responsible for the record foreclosures, as you've claimed? we were. we kept voting for politicians that preached free market fundamentalism...look at the GOP and the teabaggers today, and the fact they'll probably win the house in november. I know people that were fully aware should not be trying to take out a loan for a $450K+ house but did so anyway. Also know people that purposely faked their true incomes to get the loans. And, many were on a "home-flipping" spree and bragging about it during the housing bubble. They knew what they were doing. But, according to you, it wasn't their fault. They were the "victims". Give me a break. the average % of homeowners has been about 65% for 40 years. that has stayed constant. homeowners werent responsible because we were marginal influences. compare that to the scope of CDO's: 1 trillion in '96 62 trillion in 2006. tell me which was the bigger..by far...influence. *Many* were responsible for the housing bubble and subsequent crash. Including us regular Joe's and Jane's. But also people like your beloved Dems in Congress, namely The Honorable Congressman Barney Frank. irrelevant. you're talking marginal influences i'm talking meat and potatoes. that's why you need FACTS rather than right wing myth |
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On Apr 29, 12:01*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message ... On Apr 29, 6:18 am, bpuharic wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: On Apr 27, 7:11 pm, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H wrote: no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any protection at all Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class got screwed kick"? I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're posts do. Get over it, for Christ's sake. ROFLMAO!! glenn beck cries rivers about the poor rich. canucks and others here telll us how we MUST suck the cocks of the rich because americans are REQUIRED to protect them and make them feel good *You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K plan). uh, no. me and 100,000,000 others did as we were told by the rich -we worked hard -we gave up our pensions to the rich -we used the ONLY retirement vehicle open: 401k's and we got screwed. all of use. the average drop in 401k's in the last 3 years was 35% 8,000,000 jobless. foreclosures at a record... Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. Take a hard look in the mirror. more right wing bull****. blame the victim. it's NEVER the rich, you see. THEY didn't invent CDO's. it's the fault of the middle class; although, as conservative david frum pointed out, the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in TEN YEARS so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class? Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. Carry on with your ranting and raving. *You* got screwed. We get it. Good grief :) yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem. caused by the unregulated free market. they have their delusions. i have the facts As much as I can't stomach some of the sleezy losers on Wall Street, including the banks that endorsed creative BS financial tools like CDS's, do you honesty think we, as middle class, were not somewhat responsible for the record foreclosures, as you've claimed? Yes. I think many people over-extended themselves without really thinking about it as much as they should. That doesn't absolve WS for lying and cheating though. I know people that were fully aware should not be trying to take out a loan for a $450K+ house but did so anyway. *Also know people that purposely faked their true incomes to get the loans. *And, many were on a "home-flipping" spree and bragging about it during the housing bubble. *They knew what they were doing. I know people who were leveraged up to the Empire State's roof line. One couple bought 20 houses across the country. They're now bust. They didn't fake income, however. If you knew people that faked income or committed some other kind of fraud, did you turn them in? Probably not, so you can't be blameless either. But, according to you, it wasn't their fault. *They were the "victims".. Give me a break. *Many* were responsible for the housing bubble and subsequent crash. Including us regular Joe's and Jane's. *But also people like your beloved Dems in Congress, namely The Honorable Congressman Barney Frank. Yes, there's blame to go around. I think we get your point. Now, as to solutions... WS needs regulation. Banks need regulation, but your beloved Republicans were blocking (up until yesterday) even debate on what should be done. Instead they wanted "backroom" deals first. I haven't followed all the recent political crap of late, but can offer this: Isn't it already being regulated without the Government's formal intervention in the form of reform? One can have a firm, fixed income in the 6-figure range, a reasonable income to debt ratio, a 750 credit score and *still* can't get a loan. Those that do obtain loans have to go through a colonoscopy to get one. Mike |
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On Apr 29, 4:25*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 05:51:52 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: On Apr 29, 6:18*am, bpuharic wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class? Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. *Carry on with your ranting and raving. *You* got screwed. *We get it. Good grief :) yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem. caused by the unregulated free market. they have their delusions. i have the facts As much as I can't stomach some of the sleezy losers on Wall Street, including the banks that endorsed creative BS financial tools like CDS's, do you honesty think we, as middle class, were not somewhat responsible for the record foreclosures, as you've claimed? we were. we kept voting for politicians that preached free market fundamentalism...look at the GOP and the teabaggers today, and the fact they'll probably win the house in november. I know people that were fully aware should not be trying to take out a loan for a $450K+ house but did so anyway. *Also know people that purposely faked their true incomes to get the loans. *And, many were on a "home-flipping" spree and bragging about it during the housing bubble. *They knew what they were doing. But, according to you, it wasn't their fault. *They were the "victims". Give me a break. the average % of homeowners has been about 65% for 40 years. that has stayed constant. *homeowners werent responsible because we were marginal influences. *compare that to the scope of CDO's: 1 trillion in '96 62 trillion in 2006. tell me which was the bigger..by far...influence. *Many* were responsible for the housing bubble and subsequent crash. Including us regular Joe's and Jane's. *But also people like your beloved Dems in Congress, namely The Honorable Congressman Barney Frank. irrelevant. you're talking marginal influences i'm talking meat and potatoes. *that's why you need FACTS rather than right wing myth Sorry, just can't buy those statistics. You honestly think that substantial increase didn't have anything do do with the many more loans bundled up and sold off to investors? The fire that fueled the CDO's and CDS's was the increase in loans and a "belief" that house prices would continue to appreciate to astronomical levels. If you really want to start tracing the origins of this mess, go look- up the Community Reorganization Act (CRA) from the 70's. It was a legitimate program. But, later on (as you'll read), it became a *penalty* (and fine) for banks not to loan (signed by Bill Clinton). Years later, the greedy assholes on WS sunk their teeth into it and developed creative financial tools to capitalize on it. But again, they were not *solely* responsible. Many people, including us, were. Mike |
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:05:36 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote: On Apr 29, 4:25*pm, bpuharic wrote: On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 05:51:52 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: they have their delusions. i have the facts irrelevant. you're talking marginal influences i'm talking meat and potatoes. *that's why you need FACTS rather than right wing myth Sorry, just can't buy those statistics. yeah. god forbid you should actually consider facts. that would mean rush is full of **** You honestly think that substantial increase didn't have anything do do with the many more loans bundled up and sold off to investors? The fire that fueled the CDO's and CDS's was the increase in loans and a "belief" that house prices would continue to appreciate to astronomical levels. ?? what makes you think these had ANY relationship to the middle class at all? jon chait in the 'new republic' details the king of CDO's, 'fab' tourre, in an email to his girlfriend, admitting these 'instruments' have NO relationship to ANY tangible assets at all see, this is where you right wingers jump the track. you have more faith in the rich than a saint has in christ, so are unable even to comprehend that the 'financial engineering' (and, yes, it's a real term, you can even major in it), has reality contemporary finanical engineering invented instruments whose sole worth was determined not by assets, but by perceived value of investors...primarily the rich. so they bought and sold this ghost investments to each other...told each other the math was solid. not realizing it was built on a house of cards.... but, of course, this involved the rich. not the middle class. you're unable to even relate to such lies, because they DO involve the rich, so you relate to them in the only way you've been taught you blame the middle class so, go ahead. believe 'fab' tourre. believe john paulson. go ahead. keep voting right wing...they'll laugh all the way to the bank as you continue to blow out the middle class. If you really want to start tracing the origins of this mess, go look- up the Community Reorganization Act (CRA) from the 70's. It was a legitimate program. 25 of the largest 26 mortgage companies that went bust were not subject to the CRA. another right wing myth. But, later on (as you'll read), it became a *penalty* (and fine) for banks not to loan (signed by Bill Clinton). Years later, the greedy assholes on WS sunk their teeth into it and developed creative financial tools to capitalize on it. But again, they were not *solely* responsible. Many people, including us, were. that's right. we kept voting right wing. and they just kept laughing all the way to our paychecks Mike |
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"Mike" wrote in message
... On Apr 29, 12:01 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Mike" wrote in message ... On Apr 29, 6:18 am, bpuharic wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: On Apr 27, 7:11 pm, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H wrote: no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any protection at all Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class got screwed kick"? I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're posts do. Get over it, for Christ's sake. ROFLMAO!! glenn beck cries rivers about the poor rich. canucks and others here telll us how we MUST suck the cocks of the rich because americans are REQUIRED to protect them and make them feel good *You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K plan). uh, no. me and 100,000,000 others did as we were told by the rich -we worked hard -we gave up our pensions to the rich -we used the ONLY retirement vehicle open: 401k's and we got screwed. all of use. the average drop in 401k's in the last 3 years was 35% 8,000,000 jobless. foreclosures at a record... Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. Take a hard look in the mirror. more right wing bull****. blame the victim. it's NEVER the rich, you see. THEY didn't invent CDO's. it's the fault of the middle class; although, as conservative david frum pointed out, the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in TEN YEARS so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class? Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. Carry on with your ranting and raving. *You* got screwed. We get it. Good grief :) yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem. caused by the unregulated free market. they have their delusions. i have the facts As much as I can't stomach some of the sleezy losers on Wall Street, including the banks that endorsed creative BS financial tools like CDS's, do you honesty think we, as middle class, were not somewhat responsible for the record foreclosures, as you've claimed? Yes. I think many people over-extended themselves without really thinking about it as much as they should. That doesn't absolve WS for lying and cheating though. I know people that were fully aware should not be trying to take out a loan for a $450K+ house but did so anyway. Also know people that purposely faked their true incomes to get the loans. And, many were on a "home-flipping" spree and bragging about it during the housing bubble. They knew what they were doing. I know people who were leveraged up to the Empire State's roof line. One couple bought 20 houses across the country. They're now bust. They didn't fake income, however. If you knew people that faked income or committed some other kind of fraud, did you turn them in? Probably not, so you can't be blameless either. But, according to you, it wasn't their fault. They were the "victims". Give me a break. *Many* were responsible for the housing bubble and subsequent crash. Including us regular Joe's and Jane's. But also people like your beloved Dems in Congress, namely The Honorable Congressman Barney Frank. Yes, there's blame to go around. I think we get your point. Now, as to solutions... WS needs regulation. Banks need regulation, but your beloved Republicans were blocking (up until yesterday) even debate on what should be done. Instead they wanted "backroom" deals first. I haven't followed all the recent political crap of late, but can offer this: isn't it already being regulated without the Government's formal intervention in the form of reform? One can have a firm, fixed income in the 6-figure range, a reasonable income to debt ratio, a 750 credit score and *still* can't get a loan. Those that do obtain loans have to go through a colonoscopy to get one. Mike Not regulated enough, apparently. You're right about the can't get a loan part. It's a pill for everyone. |
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On Apr 29, 6:12*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:05:36 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: On Apr 29, 4:25*pm, bpuharic wrote: On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 05:51:52 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: they have their delusions. i have the facts irrelevant. you're talking marginal influences i'm talking meat and potatoes. *that's why you need FACTS rather than right wing myth Sorry, just can't buy those statistics. yeah. god forbid you should actually consider facts. that would mean rush is full of **** *You honestly think that substantial increase didn't have anything do do with the many more loans bundled up and sold off to investors? *The fire that fueled the CDO's and CDS's was the increase in loans and a "belief" that house prices would continue to appreciate to astronomical levels. ?? what makes you think these had ANY relationship to the middle class at all? jon chait in the 'new republic' details the king of CDO's, 'fab' tourre, in an email to his girlfriend, admitting these 'instruments' have NO relationship to ANY tangible assets at all see, this is where you right wingers jump the track. you have more faith in the rich than a saint has in christ, so are unable even to comprehend that the 'financial engineering' (and, yes, it's a real term, you can even major in it), has reality contemporary finanical engineering invented instruments whose sole worth was determined not by assets, but by perceived value of investors...primarily the rich. so they bought and sold this ghost investments to each other...told each other the math was solid. not realizing it was built on a house of cards.... but, of course, this involved the rich. not the middle class. you're unable to even relate to such lies, because they DO involve the rich, so you relate to them in the only way you've been taught you blame the middle class so, go ahead. believe 'fab' tourre. believe john paulson. *go ahead. keep voting right wing...they'll laugh all the way to the bank as you continue to blow out the middle class. If you really want to start tracing the origins of this mess, go look- up the Community Reorganization Act (CRA) from the 70's. *It was a legitimate program. 25 of the largest 26 mortgage companies that went bust were not subject to the CRA. another right wing myth. But, later on (as you'll read), it became a *penalty* (and fine) for banks not to loan (signed by Bill Clinton). *Years later, the greedy assholes on WS sunk their teeth into it and developed creative financial tools to capitalize on it. *But again, they were not *solely* responsible. *Many people, including us, were. that's right. we kept voting right wing. and they just kept laughing all the way to our paychecks Mike You know, the more I *get* your POV, the more I understand. As I said before, get over it. The chip on your shoulder is one of the largest I think I've ever seen. I don't vote "Republican" all the time. In fact, here and there. Votes are based on a (trying) legitimate common sense approach. I don't like Politicians for the most part. I think they are generally *all* corrupt. Doesn't matter what political affiliation they belong to. You're still wrong. You're just brainwashed to think the big, bad, world is out to get you. If you're living paycheck-to-paycheck, I understand. Make yourself more valuable to your employer (or if you are an employer build something of value). But, stop blaming everyone else. You are brainwashed, as I've mentioned before. Frankly, your attitude sucks. Keep it up and you'll be one miserable "prick" for the rest of your life. Think about it. Just offering a different POV. No offense. Mike |
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 23:44:07 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote: On Apr 29, 6:12*pm, bpuharic wrote: On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:05:36 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: and they just kept laughing all the way to our paychecks Mike You know, the more I *get* your POV, the more I understand. As I said before, get over it. The chip on your shoulder is one of the largest I think I've ever seen. 'getting over it' is just another way of saying 'let 'em do it again'. sorry. i don't enjoy getting raped. You're still wrong. You're just brainwashed to think the big, bad, world is out to get you. hardly. if i was, i'd be a teabagger muttering about socialists and the bilderbergers, like canuck does If you're living paycheck-to-paycheck, I understand. Make yourself more valuable to your employer (or if you are an employer build something of value). ROFLMAO!! with 8M unemployed, how valuable is ANYONE to his employer? you right wingers have your little myths...no facts. it's cute! But, stop blaming everyone else. You are brainwashed, as I've mentioned before. Frankly, your attitude sucks. Keep it up and you'll be one miserable "prick" for the rest of your life. damn right my attitude sucks. i'm tired of seeing good, honest, hardworkin people getting SCREWED economically AND having to take the blame for the problems we have and you? you just keep grabbing your ankles. nothing will ever get changed that way? and the guys on wall street will just keep lining up for another shot at you. the difference between you and me is i'm willing to do something about the problems we have. you just want to blame the victims. Mike |
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... On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 09:01:09 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: If you knew people that faked income or committed some other kind of fraud, did you turn them in? Probably not, so you can't be blameless either. Who would you turn them in to? Dial 911? There were no cops who were going to care, nor was the federal government concerned Fannie and Freddy were writing NINJA loans themselves. I'd start with the FBI. |
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... On Sat, 1 May 2010 22:01:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 09:01:09 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: If you knew people that faked income or committed some other kind of fraud, did you turn them in? Probably not, so you can't be blameless either. Who would you turn them in to? Dial 911? There were no cops who were going to care, nor was the federal government concerned Fannie and Freddy were writing NINJA loans themselves. I'd start with the FBI. You would not get very far. The FBI does not have any jurisdiction over what is considered a local fraud case involving a home buyer and a loan officer. There is even a pretty good question about who was committing the fraud. The loan people (calling them "officer" is ridiculous), were coaching the buyers on how to fill out the application so it would go through and there was no real credit checking going on. These mortgage companies were getting money in $50 million dollar blocks and getting bonuses if they could write loans. My wife was building houses and closing 2 a week, That is about a million bucks a week gross. I'm betting I would get quite far. At the minimum, they would recommend who to call. Banking fraud, if it is that, is a federal crime. |
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... On Sun, 2 May 2010 10:16:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Sat, 1 May 2010 22:01:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 09:01:09 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: If you knew people that faked income or committed some other kind of fraud, did you turn them in? Probably not, so you can't be blameless either. Who would you turn them in to? Dial 911? There were no cops who were going to care, nor was the federal government concerned Fannie and Freddy were writing NINJA loans themselves. I'd start with the FBI. You would not get very far. The FBI does not have any jurisdiction over what is considered a local fraud case involving a home buyer and a loan officer. There is even a pretty good question about who was committing the fraud. The loan people (calling them "officer" is ridiculous), were coaching the buyers on how to fill out the application so it would go through and there was no real credit checking going on. These mortgage companies were getting money in $50 million dollar blocks and getting bonuses if they could write loans. I'm betting I would get quite far. At the minimum, they would recommend who to call. Banking fraud, if it is that, is a federal crime. You would end up at Fannie and Freddie if you followed the money, eventually getting to congress. That was another thing that got de facto deregulation. The lenders were discouraged from trying to hard to disqualify marginal buyers and when this thing crashed, otherwise very credible buyers were suddenly marginal. Nobody really believed the market could crash and they thought that if a buyer defaulted, they would just sell the house to the next guy on the list at a higher price If this was just who wrote a bad loan, you could easily bust a lot of $35,000 a year loan clerks but how high did you want to go? Do you want to go up to told them it was OK, or even those who made it a condition of employment. They aren't enforcement agencies... the FBI is one. |
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... On Sun, 2 May 2010 23:49:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Sun, 2 May 2010 10:16:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Sat, 1 May 2010 22:01:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:f8vpt5tba13ilcshlfurdcfn1cok5cdb15@4ax. com... On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 09:01:09 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: If you knew people that faked income or committed some other kind of fraud, did you turn them in? Probably not, so you can't be blameless either. Who would you turn them in to? Dial 911? There were no cops who were going to care, nor was the federal government concerned Fannie and Freddy were writing NINJA loans themselves. I'd start with the FBI. You would not get very far. The FBI does not have any jurisdiction over what is considered a local fraud case involving a home buyer and a loan officer. There is even a pretty good question about who was committing the fraud. The loan people (calling them "officer" is ridiculous), were coaching the buyers on how to fill out the application so it would go through and there was no real credit checking going on. These mortgage companies were getting money in $50 million dollar blocks and getting bonuses if they could write loans. I'm betting I would get quite far. At the minimum, they would recommend who to call. Banking fraud, if it is that, is a federal crime. You would end up at Fannie and Freddie if you followed the money, eventually getting to congress. That was another thing that got de facto deregulation. The lenders were discouraged from trying to hard to disqualify marginal buyers and when this thing crashed, otherwise very credible buyers were suddenly marginal. Nobody really believed the market could crash and they thought that if a buyer defaulted, they would just sell the house to the next guy on the list at a higher price If this was just who wrote a bad loan, you could easily bust a lot of $35,000 a year loan clerks but how high did you want to go? Do you want to go up to told them it was OK, or even those who made it a condition of employment. They aren't enforcement agencies... the FBI is one. The FBI would not look into a case where somebody fudged a loan application. Never said they would or wouldn't. I said I would start with them and they would certainly direct me to the proper authority. |
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