On Apr 27, 7:11*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H
wrote:



President Bush is a businessman..

and he killed 4400 US troops and spent a trillion dollars in a war he
could not win



Vice President Cheney is a businessman.

and he proved that by meeting behind closed doors with exxon to write
US energy policy



The leaders of the Republican Revolution:

Newt Gingrich was a history professor.

and he believed that slavery was virtually non existent in the US.



Tom Delay was an exterminator. Dick Armey was an economist.

so was phil gramm. gramm and his enron VP wife, wrote the law that
prevented the govt from regulating derivatives.



The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers. Democrats mock and scorn men
who create wealth, like Bush and Cheney

create wealth?? * HAHAHAHAHA!!!

in the past 10 years the middle class has't had a pay increase. read
THIS article by a noted CONSERVATIVE, david frum:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/04/2...ce.china/index....

the rich created wealth by STEALING from the MIDDLE class then having
the balls to make the middle class pay for their mistakes

, or who heal the sick, like Frist,

or who immerse themselves in history, like Gingrich.

and gingrich? what was his view on slavery and racism?



The Lawyers' Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and
services that people want, as the enemies of America. And, so we have
seen the procession of official enemies, in the eyes of the Lawyers'
Party, grow.

enemies? like bush locking up US citizens on US soil without trial?



Against whom do Hillary and Obama rail? Pharmaceutical companies, oil
companies, hospitals, manufacturers, fast food restaurant chains, large
retail businesses, bankers, and anyone producing anything of value in our
nation.

or like the wealthy right wingers who turn meat packaging over to the
meat companies, resulting in E coli infections in children, or drug
pricing to the drug companies resuting in the US having the highest
drug prices in the world, or turning healthcare over to insurance
companies resulting in the US having the highest healthcare costs in
the world...

that the type of business you mean?

Today, we are drowning in laws

gee. the GOP controlled the govt...totally...for 6 years.

did they reduce the number of laws? nope.

. When

House Democrats sue America in order to hamstring our efforts to learn
what our enemies are planning to do to us, then the role of litigation in
America has become crushing.

anybody know what this *means? how do democrats 'sue america'?



We cannot expect the Lawyers' Party to provide real change

gee. we just got healthcare. that looks like real change. the GOP?
nothing.

except 4400 dead US troops.

, real reform or

real hope in America Most Americans know that a republic in which
every major government action must be blessed by nine unelected judges is
not what Washington intended in 1789. Most Americans grasp that we
cannot fight a war when ACLU lawsuits snap at the heels of our defenders.
Most Americans intuit that more lawyers and judges will not restore
declining moral values or spark the spirit of enterprise in our economy...

declining moral values? anybody know what this means?

OOHHHH...now i remember...put a cop in every bedroom to make sure
you're having govt approved sex...

in the name of a conservative, smaller govt.



The United States has 5% of the world's population and 66% of the
world's lawyers! Tort (Legal) reform legislation has been introduced in
Congress several times in the last several years to limit punitive damages

notice limit punitive damages?

any sign of increased responsibility on the part of corporations? the
rich? nope

29 miners die in w. virginia. their famiies sue. why? because there
are few laws protecting minors

mothers whose children die from e coli infections sue. why? because
there are no laws protecting our food supply

and why are there no laws?

because the 'business men' of whom you speak so highly...protected
themselves by not permitting such laws to exist.

no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for
the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any
protection at all

Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class
got screwed kick"?

I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're
posts do. Get over it, for Christ's sake.

*You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K
plan).

Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. Take a hard
look in the mirror.

Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. Carry on with your ranting
and raving.

*You* got screwed. We get it.

Good grief :)

Mike

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote:

On Apr 27, 7:11*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H
wrote:


no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for
the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any
protection at all

Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class
got screwed kick"?

I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're
posts do. Get over it, for Christ's sake.

ROFLMAO!! glenn beck cries rivers about the poor rich.

canucks and others here telll us how we MUST suck the cocks of the
rich because americans are REQUIRED to protect them and make them feel
good


*You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K
plan).


uh, no. me and 100,000,000 others did as we were told by the rich

-we worked hard
-we gave up our pensions to the rich
-we used the ONLY retirement vehicle open: 401k's

and we got screwed. all of use. the average drop in 401k's in the last
3 years was 35%

8,000,000 jobless. foreclosures at a record...

Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. Take a hard
look in the mirror.

more right wing bull****. blame the victim. it's NEVER the rich, you
see. THEY didn't invent CDO's. it's the fault of the middle class;
although, as conservative david frum pointed out, the middle class
hasnt had a pay increase in

TEN YEARS

so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class?


Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. Carry on with your ranting
and raving.

*You* got screwed. We get it.

Good grief :)


yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem.
caused by the unregulated free market.

they have their delusions. i have the facts

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote:

On Apr 27, 7:11 pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H
wrote:


no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for
the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any
protection at all

Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class
got screwed kick"?

I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're
posts do. Get over it, for Christ's sake.

ROFLMAO!! glenn beck cries rivers about the poor rich.

canucks and others here telll us how we MUST suck the cocks of the
rich because americans are REQUIRED to protect them and make them feel
good


*You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K
plan).


uh, no. me and 100,000,000 others did as we were told by the rich

-we worked hard
-we gave up our pensions to the rich
-we used the ONLY retirement vehicle open: 401k's

and we got screwed. all of use. the average drop in 401k's in the last
3 years was 35%

8,000,000 jobless. foreclosures at a record...

Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. Take a hard
look in the mirror.

more right wing bull****. blame the victim. it's NEVER the rich, you
see. THEY didn't invent CDO's. it's the fault of the middle class;
although, as conservative david frum pointed out, the middle class
hasnt had a pay increase in

TEN YEARS

so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class?


Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. Carry on with your ranting
and raving.

*You* got screwed. We get it.

Good grief :)


yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem.
caused by the unregulated free market.

they have their delusions. i have the facts

How many of the foreclosures were on homes with "stated income loans"?

On Apr 29, 6:18*am, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote:

On Apr 27, 7:11*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H
wrote:

no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for
the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any
protection at all

Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class
got screwed kick"?

I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're
posts do. *Get over it, for Christ's sake.

ROFLMAO!! glenn beck cries rivers about the poor rich.

canucks and others here telll us how we MUST suck the cocks of the
rich because americans are REQUIRED to protect them and make them feel
good



*You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K
plan).

uh, no. me and 100,000,000 others did as we were told by the rich

-we worked hard
-we gave up our pensions to the rich
-we used the ONLY retirement vehicle open: 401k's

and we got screwed. all of use. the average drop in 401k's in the last
3 years was 35%

8,000,000 jobless. foreclosures at a record...

Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. *Take a hard
look in the mirror.

more right wing bull****. blame the victim. it's NEVER the rich, you
see. THEY didn't invent CDO's. it's the fault of the middle class;
although, as conservative david frum pointed out, the middle class
hasnt had a pay increase in

TEN YEARS

so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class?



Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. *Carry on with your ranting
and raving.

*You* got screwed. *We get it.

Good grief :)

yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem.
caused by the unregulated free market.

they have their delusions. i have the facts

As much as I can't stomach some of the sleezy losers on Wall Street,
including the banks that endorsed creative BS financial tools like
CDS's, do you honesty think we, as middle class, were not somewhat
responsible for the record foreclosures, as you've claimed?

I know people that were fully aware should not be trying to take out a
loan for a $450K+ house but did so anyway. Also know people that
purposely faked their true incomes to get the loans. And, many were
on a "home-flipping" spree and bragging about it during the housing
bubble. They knew what they were doing.

But, according to you, it wasn't their fault. They were the
"victims".

Give me a break.

*Many* were responsible for the housing bubble and subsequent crash.
Including us regular Joe's and Jane's. But also people like your
beloved Dems in Congress, namely The Honorable Congressman Barney
Frank.

"Mike" wrote in message
...
On Apr 29, 6:18 am, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote:

On Apr 27, 7:11 pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H
wrote:

no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for
the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any
protection at all

Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class
got screwed kick"?

I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're
posts do. Get over it, for Christ's sake.

ROFLMAO!! glenn beck cries rivers about the poor rich.

canucks and others here telll us how we MUST suck the cocks of the
rich because americans are REQUIRED to protect them and make them feel
good



*You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K
plan).

uh, no. me and 100,000,000 others did as we were told by the rich

-we worked hard
-we gave up our pensions to the rich
-we used the ONLY retirement vehicle open: 401k's

and we got screwed. all of use. the average drop in 401k's in the last
3 years was 35%

8,000,000 jobless. foreclosures at a record...

Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. Take a hard
look in the mirror.

more right wing bull****. blame the victim. it's NEVER the rich, you
see. THEY didn't invent CDO's. it's the fault of the middle class;
although, as conservative david frum pointed out, the middle class
hasnt had a pay increase in

TEN YEARS

so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class?



Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. Carry on with your ranting
and raving.

*You* got screwed. We get it.

Good grief :)

yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem.
caused by the unregulated free market.

they have their delusions. i have the facts

As much as I can't stomach some of the sleezy losers on Wall Street,
including the banks that endorsed creative BS financial tools like
CDS's, do you honesty think we, as middle class, were not somewhat
responsible for the record foreclosures, as you've claimed?

Yes. I think many people over-extended themselves without really thinking
about it as much as they should. That doesn't absolve WS for lying and
cheating though.

I know people that were fully aware should not be trying to take out a
loan for a $450K+ house but did so anyway. Also know people that
purposely faked their true incomes to get the loans. And, many were
on a "home-flipping" spree and bragging about it during the housing
bubble. They knew what they were doing.

I know people who were leveraged up to the Empire State's roof line. One
couple bought 20 houses across the country. They're now bust. They didn't
fake income, however.

If you knew people that faked income or committed some other kind of fraud,
did you turn them in? Probably not, so you can't be blameless either.

But, according to you, it wasn't their fault. They were the "victims".

Give me a break.

*Many* were responsible for the housing bubble and subsequent crash.
Including us regular Joe's and Jane's. But also people like your
beloved Dems in Congress, namely The Honorable Congressman Barney
Frank.

Yes, there's blame to go around. I think we get your point. Now, as to
solutions... WS needs regulation. Banks need regulation, but your beloved
Republicans were blocking (up until yesterday) even debate on what should be
done. Instead they wanted "backroom" deals first.

On Apr 29, 12:01*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message

...
On Apr 29, 6:18 am, bpuharic wrote:



On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote:

On Apr 27, 7:11 pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H
wrote:

no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for
the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any
protection at all

Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class
got screwed kick"?

I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're
posts do. Get over it, for Christ's sake.

ROFLMAO!! glenn beck cries rivers about the poor rich.

canucks and others here telll us how we MUST suck the cocks of the
rich because americans are REQUIRED to protect them and make them feel
good

*You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K
plan).

uh, no. me and 100,000,000 others did as we were told by the rich

-we worked hard
-we gave up our pensions to the rich
-we used the ONLY retirement vehicle open: 401k's

and we got screwed. all of use. the average drop in 401k's in the last
3 years was 35%

8,000,000 jobless. foreclosures at a record...

Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. Take a hard
look in the mirror.

more right wing bull****. blame the victim. it's NEVER the rich, you
see. THEY didn't invent CDO's. it's the fault of the middle class;
although, as conservative david frum pointed out, the middle class
hasnt had a pay increase in

TEN YEARS

so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class?

Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. Carry on with your ranting
and raving.

*You* got screwed. We get it.

Good grief :)

yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem.
caused by the unregulated free market.

they have their delusions. i have the facts
As much as I can't stomach some of the sleezy losers on Wall Street,
including the banks that endorsed creative BS financial tools like
CDS's, do you honesty think we, as middle class, were not somewhat
responsible for the record foreclosures, as you've claimed?

Yes. I think many people over-extended themselves without really thinking
about it as much as they should. That doesn't absolve WS for lying and
cheating though.

I know people that were fully aware should not be trying to take out a
loan for a $450K+ house but did so anyway. *Also know people that
purposely faked their true incomes to get the loans. *And, many were
on a "home-flipping" spree and bragging about it during the housing
bubble. *They knew what they were doing.

I know people who were leveraged up to the Empire State's roof line. One
couple bought 20 houses across the country. They're now bust. They didn't
fake income, however.

If you knew people that faked income or committed some other kind of fraud,
did you turn them in? Probably not, so you can't be blameless either.

But, according to you, it wasn't their fault. *They were the "victims"..

Give me a break.

*Many* were responsible for the housing bubble and subsequent crash.
Including us regular Joe's and Jane's. *But also people like your
beloved Dems in Congress, namely The Honorable Congressman Barney
Frank.

Yes, there's blame to go around. I think we get your point. Now, as to
solutions... WS needs regulation. Banks need regulation, but your beloved
Republicans were blocking (up until yesterday) even debate on what should be
done. Instead they wanted "backroom" deals first.

I haven't followed all the recent political crap of late, but can
offer this:

Isn't it already being regulated without the Government's formal
intervention in the form of reform?

One can have a firm, fixed income in the 6-figure range, a reasonable
income to debt ratio, a 750 credit score and *still* can't get a loan.

Those that do obtain loans have to go through a colonoscopy to get
one.

Mike

"Mike" wrote in message
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On Apr 29, 12:01 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message

...
On Apr 29, 6:18 am, bpuharic wrote:



On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote:

On Apr 27, 7:11 pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H
wrote:

no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for
the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any
protection at all

Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class
got screwed kick"?

I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're
posts do. Get over it, for Christ's sake.

ROFLMAO!! glenn beck cries rivers about the poor rich.

canucks and others here telll us how we MUST suck the cocks of the
rich because americans are REQUIRED to protect them and make them feel
good

*You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K
plan).

uh, no. me and 100,000,000 others did as we were told by the rich

-we worked hard
-we gave up our pensions to the rich
-we used the ONLY retirement vehicle open: 401k's

and we got screwed. all of use. the average drop in 401k's in the last
3 years was 35%

8,000,000 jobless. foreclosures at a record...

Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. Take a hard
look in the mirror.

more right wing bull****. blame the victim. it's NEVER the rich, you
see. THEY didn't invent CDO's. it's the fault of the middle class;
although, as conservative david frum pointed out, the middle class
hasnt had a pay increase in

TEN YEARS

so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class?

Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. Carry on with your ranting
and raving.

*You* got screwed. We get it.

Good grief :)

yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem.
caused by the unregulated free market.

they have their delusions. i have the facts
As much as I can't stomach some of the sleezy losers on Wall Street,
including the banks that endorsed creative BS financial tools like
CDS's, do you honesty think we, as middle class, were not somewhat
responsible for the record foreclosures, as you've claimed?

Yes. I think many people over-extended themselves without really thinking
about it as much as they should. That doesn't absolve WS for lying and
cheating though.

I know people that were fully aware should not be trying to take out a
loan for a $450K+ house but did so anyway. Also know people that
purposely faked their true incomes to get the loans. And, many were
on a "home-flipping" spree and bragging about it during the housing
bubble. They knew what they were doing.

I know people who were leveraged up to the Empire State's roof line. One
couple bought 20 houses across the country. They're now bust. They didn't
fake income, however.

If you knew people that faked income or committed some other kind of
fraud,
did you turn them in? Probably not, so you can't be blameless either.

But, according to you, it wasn't their fault. They were the "victims".

Give me a break.

*Many* were responsible for the housing bubble and subsequent crash.
Including us regular Joe's and Jane's. But also people like your
beloved Dems in Congress, namely The Honorable Congressman Barney
Frank.

Yes, there's blame to go around. I think we get your point. Now, as to
solutions... WS needs regulation. Banks need regulation, but your beloved
Republicans were blocking (up until yesterday) even debate on what should
be
done. Instead they wanted "backroom" deals first.

I haven't followed all the recent political crap of late, but can
offer this:

isn't it already being regulated without the Government's formal
intervention in the form of reform?

One can have a firm, fixed income in the 6-figure range, a reasonable
income to debt ratio, a 750 credit score and *still* can't get a loan.

Those that do obtain loans have to go through a colonoscopy to get
one.

Mike


Not regulated enough, apparently. You're right about the can't get a loan
part. It's a pill for everyone.

wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 09:01:09 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If you knew people that faked income or committed some other kind of
fraud,
did you turn them in? Probably not, so you can't be blameless either.

Who would you turn them in to?

Dial 911?

There were no cops who were going to care, nor was the federal
government concerned Fannie and Freddy were writing NINJA loans
themselves.


I'd start with the FBI.

wrote in message
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On Sat, 1 May 2010 22:01:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 09:01:09 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If you knew people that faked income or committed some other kind of
fraud,
did you turn them in? Probably not, so you can't be blameless either.

Who would you turn them in to?

Dial 911?

There were no cops who were going to care, nor was the federal
government concerned Fannie and Freddy were writing NINJA loans
themselves.


I'd start with the FBI.


You would not get very far. The FBI does not have any jurisdiction
over what is considered a local fraud case involving a home buyer and
a loan officer. There is even a pretty good question about who was
committing the fraud. The loan people (calling them "officer" is
ridiculous), were coaching the buyers on how to fill out the
application so it would go through and there was no real credit
checking going on.
These mortgage companies were getting money in $50 million dollar
blocks and getting bonuses if they could write loans.
My wife was building houses and closing 2 a week, That is about a
million bucks a week gross.


I'm betting I would get quite far. At the minimum, they would recommend who
to call. Banking fraud, if it is that, is a federal crime.

In article ,
says...

wrote in message
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On Sat, 1 May 2010 22:01:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 09:01:09 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If you knew people that faked income or committed some other kind of
fraud,
did you turn them in? Probably not, so you can't be blameless either.

Who would you turn them in to?

Dial 911?

There were no cops who were going to care, nor was the federal
government concerned Fannie and Freddy were writing NINJA loans
themselves.


I'd start with the FBI.


You would not get very far. The FBI does not have any jurisdiction
over what is considered a local fraud case involving a home buyer and
a loan officer. There is even a pretty good question about who was
committing the fraud. The loan people (calling them "officer" is
ridiculous), were coaching the buyers on how to fill out the
application so it would go through and there was no real credit
checking going on.
These mortgage companies were getting money in $50 million dollar
blocks and getting bonuses if they could write loans.
My wife was building houses and closing 2 a week, That is about a
million bucks a week gross.


I'm betting I would get quite far. At the minimum, they would recommend who
to call. Banking fraud, if it is that, is a federal crime.

Even at state chartered banks?