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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 17/04/2010 5:22 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:29:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Which has little to do with the argument that tort reform is going to save the healthcare system. Tort reform would save the whole economic system. The lawyers tax is a drag on the whole economy, producing absolutely nothing. ?? Come on. More nonsense. Most lawyers are honest and hardworking. Lawyers founded this country. We have nothing to be ashamed of. The only explaination I have is lawyers back then were more honest and under a lot more scruteny on the issue of governance. Probably because many of their peers were NOT lawyers and they had to get acceptance from the people. "We the people..." founded the USA. Otherwise the residents would have hung the idiots as traitors to the crown, and they were traitors to the British. But victors write the history books. BTW, I think they did a good job. Just an observation that they were British subjects before they were Americans. -- Time to ask ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the government? To be a lawyer in those days, you did not have to indoctrinated by a law school. Just read the books and take the bar exam. Only partially correct. You had to apprentice with an established lawyer, much as John Adams did. As usual, you know little about what you write. -- Nom=de=Plume I read no where of Lincoln apprenticing with an established lawyer. I think he was already a state senator when he took the bar. So, you believe that Lincoln was one of the founders.... also, you're unfamiliar with the concept of frontier country lawyers, which were quite different than those on the East Coast. -- Nom=de=Plume Logic escapes you again. We were discussing the requirements to be an attorney in the old days. The East was a frontier also. One of my relatives was a signer of the Declaration of Independence. Abraham Clark. NJ lawyer, self taught, surveyor, and attorney. Did not ever read of him apprenticing as an attorney either. Sure. We believe you. NOT -- Nom=de=Plume Believe or not. I do not give a **** what you believe. Yet you can't help but say something. Weren't you going to ignore me?? -- Nom=de=Plume Because you are so far out troll, sometimes it is hard to ignore gross stupidity by you. |
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:31:08 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:55:50 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: Actually I have been on both. And you bring up the expensive COBRA. Also points out how expensive insurance is for a company. TA DA!!! even a right wing ASSHOLE finally gets it! YES, US HEALTHCARE IS EXPENSIVE!!! it's the most expensive in the WORLD. but the right wing thinks that's GREAT!! Why do you think it is the most expensive in the world? because we spend 17% of our GDP on healthcare. no one else spends that much You pay an extra $2-3 a gallon for gas in Europe to pay for that "free" healthcare. That gets damn expensive. Several European countries are almost bankrupt because of medical costs. What is the medical cost per person in the USA vs the next 5 most expensive countries in the world? i just gave you a fact. we spend 17% of our GDP on healthcare who else does that? |
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:40:59 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 22:07:54 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: except, until obama came along. insurance companies could tell you to go **** yourself and to the right wing, that's the voice of god. I was unemployed 7 times. Happy now. I went with 6 startups. So I got to see unemployment a couple times. A couple times I was unemployed too short of a time to collect unemployment insurance. And Cobra can only cost 10% more than the company pays the insurance company. and how much of COBRA does the company pay after you get laid off? oh. none. Frigging idiot. I also banked a bunch of my income for the lean times. Sure, I got paid very well for a middle class worker, but having an engineering degree and lots of talent helps. What kind of a cars does you and the wife drive? i drive a 2000 honda crv with 200,000 miles and the wife drives a 2001 focus with 120,000 miles. How big a boat and how much for the slip? Maybe you should consider learning economics. i have a 1977 tollycraft that cost $3500. slip is $3000 a year. no, we dont vacation in gstaad every year. |
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... On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:49:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: No idea. It might put them out of business. It might be anything between that and a big payout. I wonder if insurance is even an option. That is why it might be in the national interest to give them sovereign immunity. If that is our only way into space and they get sued out of business we might be back buying a ride from the Russians. I assume, for that reason, we will still have a military space program. It will only be science that gets privatized. They could go for a "man rating" on the Atlas rocket and be flying pretty quick. Just dust off some of those 30 year old capsules and shoot. I would go... in a heartbeat. -- I would go if I had something to do up there but I am not interested in just being cargo. But the view would be incredible... Part of the deal would be access to the window. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Apr 17, 9:04 pm, "mmc" wrote: Odd, how the government is basically dumping NASA saying private industry can do it better and cheaper. But government can do healthcare better and cheaper. Just seems odd. All NASA does these days is administer contracts. The current shuttle design has been in service for damn near 30 years with a planned lifespan something like 20 years and a goal of a low cost delivery system to near earth orbit. It has proven to be the most expensive delivery system available and is more sensitive than a teenage girl. And more dangerous. NASA has had 30 years to come up with a replacement and has fallen on it's collective ass. A good friend and former Air Force Commander once told me that "the current NASA generation couldn't put a man on the moon to save thier lives and we're spending $4 billion a year (mid 90s, 8 launches @ $500 million per) to light fires in an oxygen rich environment and watch rats f*ck". Check out a crew list. Aside from the pilots, you'll see a gaggle of people who have no friggin clue as to what they're supposed to be doing up there, that's why they go thru so much training. If you really wanted to get the job done, NASA would send Navy mud divers instead of engineers and school teachers. Divers already know how to work in a weightless environment, they know life support systems and how to work with tools NASA, like FEMA have become stagnent social programs that cannot perform thier missions. Flush them and start over. You're wrong on so many levels. Case in point: I get a Tech Brief industry rag that outlines the many science advances and breakthroughs that come from the NASA Jet Propulsion Labs and other NASA research facilities every couple of months. These are the same people that brought us semiconductors, IC's, and so many other technology advances that it's not easily comprehended by most. Shut them down? Of course your Air Force friend will run down NASA... he'll do the same to other branches of the military besides the AF and anyone else he's been brainwashed into thinking isn't as good as the AF. It's in the training... if it's not AF, it's crap. He isn't really holding up the AF as the model of effiency, is he? And what the hell would Navy divers do up there? I guess they can take the space walks and perform maintenance, while the rest do the *research* that the divers sure can't handle. But now you want to shoot that whole NASA industry in the head and let Rutan and others do it? They'll only do what make commercial sense for them, and the research part will stagnate. Not good for America. Flying into space on Russian craft while we take down the US flag at *relief* efforts in Haiti? Are you freakin kidding me? Obama and company have lost their minds. Reply: And, yet, it's complete bs that NASA's work is ending or even being scaled back. They're getting an increase in funding, plus additional jobs. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 17/04/2010 5:22 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:29:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Which has little to do with the argument that tort reform is going to save the healthcare system. Tort reform would save the whole economic system. The lawyers tax is a drag on the whole economy, producing absolutely nothing. ?? Come on. More nonsense. Most lawyers are honest and hardworking. Lawyers founded this country. We have nothing to be ashamed of. The only explaination I have is lawyers back then were more honest and under a lot more scruteny on the issue of governance. Probably because many of their peers were NOT lawyers and they had to get acceptance from the people. "We the people..." founded the USA. Otherwise the residents would have hung the idiots as traitors to the crown, and they were traitors to the British. But victors write the history books. BTW, I think they did a good job. Just an observation that they were British subjects before they were Americans. -- Time to ask ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the government? To be a lawyer in those days, you did not have to indoctrinated by a law school. Just read the books and take the bar exam. Only partially correct. You had to apprentice with an established lawyer, much as John Adams did. As usual, you know little about what you write. -- Nom=de=Plume I read no where of Lincoln apprenticing with an established lawyer. I think he was already a state senator when he took the bar. So, you believe that Lincoln was one of the founders.... also, you're unfamiliar with the concept of frontier country lawyers, which were quite different than those on the East Coast. -- Nom=de=Plume Logic escapes you again. We were discussing the requirements to be an attorney in the old days. The East was a frontier also. One of my relatives was a signer of the Declaration of Independence. Abraham Clark. NJ lawyer, self taught, surveyor, and attorney. Did not ever read of him apprenticing as an attorney either. Sure. We believe you. NOT -- Nom=de=Plume Believe or not. I do not give a **** what you believe. Yet you can't help but say something. Weren't you going to ignore me?? -- Nom=de=Plume Because you are so far out troll, sometimes it is hard to ignore gross stupidity by you. And, yet... you keep posting. Assuming I'm a troll, which I'm not, but whatever... what would that make you? A puppet and not a bright one. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:40:59 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 22:07:54 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: except, until obama came along. insurance companies could tell you to go **** yourself and to the right wing, that's the voice of god. I was unemployed 7 times. Happy now. I went with 6 startups. So I got to see unemployment a couple times. A couple times I was unemployed too short of a time to collect unemployment insurance. And Cobra can only cost 10% more than the company pays the insurance company. and how much of COBRA does the company pay after you get laid off? oh. none. Frigging idiot. I also banked a bunch of my income for the lean times. Sure, I got paid very well for a middle class worker, but having an engineering degree and lots of talent helps. What kind of a cars does you and the wife drive? i drive a 2000 honda crv with 200,000 miles and the wife drives a 2001 focus with 120,000 miles. How big a boat and how much for the slip? Maybe you should consider learning economics. i have a 1977 tollycraft that cost $3500. slip is $3000 a year. no, we dont vacation in gstaad every year. Cobra is paid all by you. The company can, but is not required to, charge up to 10% for administration costs. |
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On 19/04/2010 4:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 22:04:45 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:10:02 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: to date theyv'e paid out 2 billion in insurance claims. " How many atheists have schools and hospitals? actually, all of them. we support them with our taxes. we just dont rape the chlidren we care for Same reason mean teach grammar school? Are you a closet pedophile? why? is your wife unsatisfied? You must be looking for friends with the same problems as you have. -- Time to ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the government? |
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On 20/04/2010 5:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:23:07 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:38:49 -0400, wrote: and how much of COBRA does the company pay after you get laid off? oh. none. It depends on the company. Centex paid my wife's COBRA until she got another job. It only took a week but the deal was good for 6 months. IBM kept people on the IBM insurance plan for up to 5 years in some of the separation packages that were offered but one year was the norm. there are very few IBM's in the world. IBM had a no layoff policy until the mid 80's. most companies don't pay COBRA. again you're putting faith in the rich above common sense No, maybe unlike you he has faith in himslef and does not expect you to pay for it. -- Time to ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the government? |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 19/04/2010 4:16 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 22:04:45 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:10:02 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: to date theyv'e paid out 2 billion in insurance claims. " How many atheists have schools and hospitals? actually, all of them. we support them with our taxes. we just dont rape the chlidren we care for Same reason mean teach grammar school? Are you a closet pedophile? why? is your wife unsatisfied? You must be looking for friends with the same problems as you have. -- Time to ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the government? Looks like you've found yours. Heh.. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Apr 20, 1:48*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message ... On Apr 17, 9:04 pm, "mmc" wrote: Odd, how the government is basically dumping NASA saying private industry can do it better and cheaper. But government can do healthcare better and cheaper. Just seems odd. All NASA does these days is administer contracts. The current shuttle design has been in service for damn near 30 years with a planned lifespan something like 20 years and a goal of a low cost delivery system to near earth orbit. It has proven to be the most expensive delivery system available and is more sensitive than a teenage girl. And more dangerous. NASA has had 30 years to come up with a replacement and has fallen on it's collective ass. A good friend and former Air Force Commander once told me that "the current NASA generation couldn't put a man on the moon to save thier lives and we're spending $4 billion a year (mid 90s, 8 launches @ $500 million per) to light fires in an oxygen rich environment and watch rats f*ck". Check out a crew list. Aside from the pilots, you'll see a gaggle of people who have no friggin clue as to what they're supposed to be doing up there, that's why they go thru so much training. If you really wanted to get the job done, NASA would send Navy mud divers instead of engineers and school teachers. Divers already know how to work in a weightless environment, they know life support systems and how to work with tools NASA, like FEMA have become stagnent social programs that cannot perform thier missions. Flush them and start over. You're wrong on so many levels. *Case in point: I get a Tech Brief industry rag that outlines the many science advances and breakthroughs that come from the NASA Jet Propulsion Labs and other NASA research facilities every couple of months. *These are the same people that brought us semiconductors, IC's, and so many other technology advances that it's not easily comprehended by most. *Shut them down? Of course your Air Force friend will run down NASA... he'll do the same to other branches of the military besides the AF and anyone else he's been brainwashed into thinking isn't as good as the AF. *It's in the training... if it's not AF, it's crap. *He isn't really holding up the AF as the model of effiency, is he? *And what the hell would Navy divers do up there? *I guess they can take the space walks and perform maintenance, while the rest do the *research* that the divers sure can't handle. But now you want to shoot that whole NASA industry in the head and let Rutan and others do it? *They'll only do what make commercial sense for them, and the research part will stagnate. *Not good for America. Flying into space on Russian craft while we take down the US flag at *relief* efforts in Haiti? *Are you freakin kidding me? *Obama and company have lost their minds. Reply: And, yet, it's complete bs that NASA's work is ending or even being scaled back. They're getting an increase in funding, plus additional jobs.. Reply: get a real news reader. The real scoop is that NASA's "work", which is putting Americans into orbit or beyond, is ending by edict of your boy. The increase in funding is to cover the fact that the Russians aren't going to let us fly for free, nor are the US private ventures that are *supposed* to materialize later. Fact is, once you put in place a layer of management to handle the foreign or domestic contracts, the QA that has to be done with anything outside NASA, and all the management of this extra layer of BS, the extra funding and supposed cost savings will vanish, especially if you want to argue that the NASA reseach ROI will remain the same. Meanwhile, jobs gained? No reliable news source is claiming more than 1700 jobs gains, while the same sources say +7000 jobs LOST. Put new batteries in your calculator. Spin it again, bitch. |
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On 21/04/2010 12:09 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:15:15 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:23:07 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:38:49 -0400, wrote: and how much of COBRA does the company pay after you get laid off? oh. none. It depends on the company. Centex paid my wife's COBRA until she got another job. It only took a week but the deal was good for 6 months. IBM kept people on the IBM insurance plan for up to 5 years in some of the separation packages that were offered but one year was the norm. there are very few IBM's in the world. IBM had a no layoff policy until the mid 80's. most companies don't pay COBRA. again you're putting faith in the rich above common sense Maybe I am just putting faith in people choosing a good company to work for. Sometimes that is not the one with the highest salary. My wife and both managed to find one and she works for another good one now. The place she works for now kept a woman who had cancer on full salary and insurance for a year after she could no longer work. When choosing and employer there is indeed more than money in the criteria. If they offer training and development it is easy to monitize it as a nice benefit and take a lower salary. Time off, and location also play a huge factor. I have been offered to work at IBM but have declined because I have known people who work for them. Starts off you fly out on Monday and back on Friday. After a few weeks "the client needs on on Monday and Friday. Next thing you know you get home on Saturday in time to do your laundry, sleep and then jump a plane with zero home life. Saw one guy get divorced over it. Certianly not a family man job. But might be good if you are young, they train you up and give them a year or two. Me, if I could choose where I live and get say 6 weeks vacation and all stats off, but work longer hours in the winter and not much travel, I would easily work for 1/2. Probably put myself on a fishing lake where I could kock off at 5 and go trolling for dinner. I worked remotely for 8 years in varies degrees of remote every Friday. If it was Wednesday and 6" of snow, VPN in. Heck, VPN in and be all over the world, Japan, UK, France, Germany, Wisconsin, California...was great. Loved it as travel time home was 1 minute. Best part is if they call you on Sunday for help, VPN in and out, travel time 2 minutes. Lower travel times is important to me. -- Time to ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the government? |
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On 20/04/2010 11:48 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
Flying into space on Russian craft while we take down the US flag at *relief* efforts in Haiti? Are you freakin kidding me? Obama and company have lost their minds. Yes, but I though you were pro-Obama? Converted? Reply: And, yet, it's complete bs that NASA's work is ending or even being scaled back. They're getting an increase in funding, plus additional jobs. I don't trust Obama, 6 months ago he was ready to slash their budget to paper rockets. NASA is one of the best science investments the US ever made. Inspired many into science and technology including myself. Spun off technology in all sorts of sciences, including the rock we live on. Sure beats spending it on war. In fact if you took the middle east moneys since 911, NASA could be funded to etternity on the interest. And you do alot better than dead soldiers. I still remember John Glenns lift off on a B&W TV. -- Time to ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the government? |
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On Apr 21, 8:44*am, Canuck57 wrote:
On 20/04/2010 11:48 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: Flying into space on Russian craft while we take down the US flag at *relief* efforts in Haiti? *Are you freakin kidding me? *Obama and company have lost their minds. Yes, but I though you were pro-Obama? *Converted? That was my text. She still hasn't figured out how to use a news reader. Reply: And, yet, it's complete bs that NASA's work is ending or even being scaled back. They're getting an increase in funding, plus additional jobs. I don't trust Obama, 6 months ago he was ready to slash their budget to paper rockets. Now he's saying that they'll get some money and it will create some jobs, but all sources are saying that it will be a net job loss of over 5000. Hey, it's expensive to buy your way aboard Russian rockets. Outsourcing this is a bad idea. But Obama is good at bad ideas. I still remember John Glenns lift off on a B&W TV. I remember touring the Space Center when I was a kid, and going into the VAB back when they'd still let you do that. Wow. Now you just ride by it on the road as they point it out. Better see it while you can... soon it will be nothing but rubble. I guess we can lease it to the Russians. |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 06:30:21 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 02:09:23 -0400, wrote: Maybe I am just putting faith in people choosing a good company to work for. gee. i used to work for ATT. an 18 BILLION dollar company. it doesn't exist anymore. funny how the right wing looks at middle class wager earners....then at an 18 billion dollar company and says the middle class is to blame for choosing the wrong company. had nothing to do with ATT management, you see. they were rich. they had wall street buddies. it COULDNT have been THEIR fault. My brother in law just retired from Verizon and he has no complaints about how former AT&T employees were treated. I worked for NCR. ATT bought them. After I left. One of the two small pensions I get. I still have breakfast once a month with a group of NCR coworkers. They were there through the ATT years. Said ATT was a crap manager, but they were treated well in the layoffs and retirements. And you could have bought a lot of ATT stock at a discount and made a handsome profit on it as an employee. |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:42:05 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 06:30:21 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 02:09:23 -0400, wrote: Maybe I am just putting faith in people choosing a good company to work for. gee. i used to work for ATT. an 18 BILLION dollar company. it doesn't exist anymore. funny how the right wing looks at middle class wager earners....then at an 18 billion dollar company and says the middle class is to blame for choosing the wrong company. had nothing to do with ATT management, you see. they were rich. they had wall street buddies. it COULDNT have been THEIR fault. My brother in law just retired from Verizon and he has no complaints about how former AT&T employees were treated. I worked for NCR. ATT bought them. After I left. One of the two small pensions I get. I still have breakfast once a month with a group of NCR coworkers. They were there through the ATT years. Said ATT was a crap manager, but they were treated well in the layoffs and retirements. And you could have bought a lot of ATT stock at a discount and made a handsome profit on it as an employee. IBM was OK to me but like most people who wait for the later round of layoffs the guys leaving now are taking a screwing. There were actually better packages before I left but I believed them when they said they would find me something to do. In real life, I did get a lot of training and experience in other things while I was searching for a better job. In the end there just wasn't another job. Every one of the other services IBM thought was going to be the answer, fizzled. I took the "30 and out". I did get to learn LAN administration, Data cabling and connectivity, TP/Network support, Physical Planning (designing computer rooms) and database management (DB2 and SQL). I figured out dBase on my own. When I left I had a lot of cards in my wallet. The only one I cashed was my electrical inspectors license and I got that on my own too. My buddy from high school and I was in business with went through the same thing. He was a Regional Specialist in San Francisco for IBM. I think he really did not want another high tech job. |
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"Jack" wrote in message
... On Apr 20, 1:48 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Jack" wrote in message ... On Apr 17, 9:04 pm, "mmc" wrote: Odd, how the government is basically dumping NASA saying private industry can do it better and cheaper. But government can do healthcare better and cheaper. Just seems odd. All NASA does these days is administer contracts. The current shuttle design has been in service for damn near 30 years with a planned lifespan something like 20 years and a goal of a low cost delivery system to near earth orbit. It has proven to be the most expensive delivery system available and is more sensitive than a teenage girl. And more dangerous. NASA has had 30 years to come up with a replacement and has fallen on it's collective ass. A good friend and former Air Force Commander once told me that "the current NASA generation couldn't put a man on the moon to save thier lives and we're spending $4 billion a year (mid 90s, 8 launches @ $500 million per) to light fires in an oxygen rich environment and watch rats f*ck". Check out a crew list. Aside from the pilots, you'll see a gaggle of people who have no friggin clue as to what they're supposed to be doing up there, that's why they go thru so much training. If you really wanted to get the job done, NASA would send Navy mud divers instead of engineers and school teachers. Divers already know how to work in a weightless environment, they know life support systems and how to work with tools NASA, like FEMA have become stagnent social programs that cannot perform thier missions. Flush them and start over. You're wrong on so many levels. Case in point: I get a Tech Brief industry rag that outlines the many science advances and breakthroughs that come from the NASA Jet Propulsion Labs and other NASA research facilities every couple of months. These are the same people that brought us semiconductors, IC's, and so many other technology advances that it's not easily comprehended by most. Shut them down? Of course your Air Force friend will run down NASA... he'll do the same to other branches of the military besides the AF and anyone else he's been brainwashed into thinking isn't as good as the AF. It's in the training... if it's not AF, it's crap. He isn't really holding up the AF as the model of effiency, is he? And what the hell would Navy divers do up there? I guess they can take the space walks and perform maintenance, while the rest do the *research* that the divers sure can't handle. But now you want to shoot that whole NASA industry in the head and let Rutan and others do it? They'll only do what make commercial sense for them, and the research part will stagnate. Not good for America. Flying into space on Russian craft while we take down the US flag at *relief* efforts in Haiti? Are you freakin kidding me? Obama and company have lost their minds. Reply: And, yet, it's complete bs that NASA's work is ending or even being scaled back. They're getting an increase in funding, plus additional jobs. Reply: get a real news reader. The real scoop is that NASA's "work", which is putting Americans into orbit or beyond, is ending by edict of your boy. The increase in funding is to cover the fact that the Russians aren't going to let us fly for free, nor are the US private ventures that are *supposed* to materialize later. Fact is, once you put in place a layer of management to handle the foreign or domestic contracts, the QA that has to be done with anything outside NASA, and all the management of this extra layer of BS, the extra funding and supposed cost savings will vanish, especially if you want to argue that the NASA reseach ROI will remain the same. Meanwhile, jobs gained? No reliable news source is claiming more than 1700 jobs gains, while the same sources say +7000 jobs LOST. Put new batteries in your calculator. Spin it again, bitch. Reply: You're a jerk. Don't hurt yourself in "private." -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 20/04/2010 11:48 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: Flying into space on Russian craft while we take down the US flag at *relief* efforts in Haiti? Are you freakin kidding me? Obama and company have lost their minds. Yes, but I though you were pro-Obama? Converted? Reply: And, yet, it's complete bs that NASA's work is ending or even being scaled back. They're getting an increase in funding, plus additional jobs. I don't trust Obama, 6 months ago he was ready to slash their budget to paper rockets. NASA is one of the best science investments the US ever made. Inspired many into science and technology including myself. Spun off technology in all sorts of sciences, including the rock we live on. Sure beats spending it on war. In fact if you took the middle east moneys since 911, NASA could be funded to etternity on the interest. And you do alot better than dead soldiers. I still remember John Glenns lift off on a B&W TV. -- Time to ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the government? You're a liar. Nothing new there. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Jack" wrote in message
... On Apr 21, 8:44 am, Canuck57 wrote: On 20/04/2010 11:48 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: Flying into space on Russian craft while we take down the US flag at *relief* efforts in Haiti? Are you freakin kidding me? Obama and company have lost their minds. Yes, but I though you were pro-Obama? Converted? That was my text. She still hasn't figured out how to use a news reader. Reply: And, yet, it's complete bs that NASA's work is ending or even being scaled back. They're getting an increase in funding, plus additional jobs. I don't trust Obama, 6 months ago he was ready to slash their budget to paper rockets. Now he's saying that they'll get some money and it will create some jobs, but all sources are saying that it will be a net job loss of over 5000. Hey, it's expensive to buy your way aboard Russian rockets. Outsourcing this is a bad idea. But Obama is good at bad ideas. I still remember John Glenns lift off on a B&W TV. I remember touring the Space Center when I was a kid, and going into the VAB back when they'd still let you do that. Wow. Now you just ride by it on the road as they point it out. Better see it while you can... soon it will be nothing but rubble. I guess we can lease it to the Russians. Reply: You haven't learned how to socialize. Perhaps that's why you sit at home and play with yourself. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:19:11 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 06:30:21 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 02:09:23 -0400, wrote: Maybe I am just putting faith in people choosing a good company to work for. gee. i used to work for ATT. an 18 BILLION dollar company. it doesn't exist anymore. funny how the right wing looks at middle class wager earners....then at an 18 billion dollar company and says the middle class is to blame for choosing the wrong company. had nothing to do with ATT management, you see. they were rich. they had wall street buddies. it COULDNT have been THEIR fault. My brother in law just retired from Verizon and he has no complaints about how former AT&T employees were treated. i know 125,000 former employees who would beg to differ |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:42:05 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote: My brother in law just retired from Verizon and he has no complaints about how former AT&T employees were treated. I worked for NCR. ATT bought them. After I left. One of the two small pensions I get. I still have breakfast once a month with a group of NCR coworkers. They were there through the ATT years. Said ATT was a crap manager, but they were treated well in the layoffs and retirements. And you could have bought a lot of ATT stock at a discount and made a handsome profit on it as an employee. i bought it at $55/share. it's now worth less than $1/share |
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"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:44:29 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:13:49 -0400, bpuharic wrote: And you could have bought a lot of ATT stock at a discount and made a handsome profit on it as an employee. i bought it at $55/share. it's now worth less than $1/share You can really pick them. how many stockholders did ATT have? you really are incredibly stupid. you give stupidity a whole new definition. Actually it is worth a lot more than that. You will have some NCR, Comcast, a semiconductor company (name escapes me at the moment) and a bunch of others that may not amount to much. |
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"Jack" wrote in message ... On Apr 20, 1:48 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Jack" wrote in message ... On Apr 17, 9:04 pm, "mmc" wrote: Odd, how the government is basically dumping NASA saying private industry can do it better and cheaper. But government can do healthcare better and cheaper. Just seems odd. All NASA does these days is administer contracts. The current shuttle design has been in service for damn near 30 years with a planned lifespan something like 20 years and a goal of a low cost delivery system to near earth orbit. It has proven to be the most expensive delivery system available and is more sensitive than a teenage girl. And more dangerous. NASA has had 30 years to come up with a replacement and has fallen on it's collective ass. A good friend and former Air Force Commander once told me that "the current NASA generation couldn't put a man on the moon to save thier lives and we're spending $4 billion a year (mid 90s, 8 launches @ $500 million per) to light fires in an oxygen rich environment and watch rats f*ck". Check out a crew list. Aside from the pilots, you'll see a gaggle of people who have no friggin clue as to what they're supposed to be doing up there, that's why they go thru so much training. If you really wanted to get the job done, NASA would send Navy mud divers instead of engineers and school teachers. Divers already know how to work in a weightless environment, they know life support systems and how to work with tools NASA, like FEMA have become stagnent social programs that cannot perform thier missions. Flush them and start over. You're wrong on so many levels. Case in point: I get a Tech Brief industry rag that outlines the many science advances and breakthroughs that come from the NASA Jet Propulsion Labs and other NASA research facilities every couple of months. These are the same people that brought us semiconductors, IC's, and so many other technology advances that it's not easily comprehended by most. Shut them down? Of course your Air Force friend will run down NASA... he'll do the same to other branches of the military besides the AF and anyone else he's been brainwashed into thinking isn't as good as the AF. It's in the training... if it's not AF, it's crap. He isn't really holding up the AF as the model of effiency, is he? And what the hell would Navy divers do up there? I guess they can take the space walks and perform maintenance, while the rest do the *research* that the divers sure can't handle. But now you want to shoot that whole NASA industry in the head and let Rutan and others do it? They'll only do what make commercial sense for them, and the research part will stagnate. Not good for America. Flying into space on Russian craft while we take down the US flag at *relief* efforts in Haiti? Are you freakin kidding me? Obama and company have lost their minds. Naw, the friend I spoke of has nothing to do with CCAFS or space and never was in any sort of competition with the civilian space program. The divers would be for doing manual labor in a weightless environment. Anyone who hasn't done this sort of work would have no idea of what it is like. Training tourists to fumble through it is stupid unless it's all for politics and propoganda. Where the hell is the replacement for the STS? If a prototype had been under construction, there would be much better chances of the STS extended (again) until it's online. But the new version isn't close to being a reality. Because it doesn't exist. It's like living in a hotel until the house is built but never working on the house. I'm not slamming the entire, historical friggin space program, I'm saying that the current NASA is as screwed up, lazy and irresponsible as the rest of the government agencies. They all should be put under microscopes and evaluated for how they are performing thier missions. The managers who aren't performing as they should put on probation for a period to give them a chance to get thier house in order, and fired if they don't. There are a lot of private industry practices that would do the government good if they were adopted. One of the old time private industry practices that could be instituted would be to account for how and on what the income (taxes) are being spent. I'm a taxpayer and want to know where my GD money is going. And we're already hitchin rides on Russian spacecraft. |
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... On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:17:21 -0400, "mmc" wrote: Where the hell is the replacement for the STS? "Replacing" the shuttle would just be a tumor transplant. One shot rockets are a lot more flexible and end up being cheaper. They basically have to rebuild the shuttle on every trip at a huge cost I guess that's why the USAF is planning reusuable boosters.. http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/ -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:53:07 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 10:34:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:17:21 -0400, "mmc" wrote: Where the hell is the replacement for the STS? "Replacing" the shuttle would just be a tumor transplant. One shot rockets are a lot more flexible and end up being cheaper. They basically have to rebuild the shuttle on every trip at a huge cost I guess that's why the USAF is planning reusuable boosters.. http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/ There is a difference between a reusable rocket tube and the bloated Shuttle program. When 80-90% of your total budget is tied to one platform it severely limits what else you can do. You can put a vast number of things on top of a big booster. The Atlas 5 went to the moon but it also launched Skylab. The Shuttle went to low earth orbit and that was all it could really do efficiently. Missions were not based on what we might want to do but what the Shuttle could do. The only good thing that came out of that was it forced us to create very capable robot probes for Mars, the outer solar system and deep space instead of wasting money on manned probes. We got a lot more science out of them, if not the "gee whiz" factor of seeing a guy standing there hitting a golf ball. So many folks here are down on golf. If he'd hit a tennis ball, many would be happier. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
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... On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 10:34:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:17:21 -0400, "mmc" wrote: Where the hell is the replacement for the STS? "Replacing" the shuttle would just be a tumor transplant. One shot rockets are a lot more flexible and end up being cheaper. They basically have to rebuild the shuttle on every trip at a huge cost I guess that's why the USAF is planning reusuable boosters.. http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/ There is a difference between a reusable rocket tube and the bloated Shuttle program. When 80-90% of your total budget is tied to one platform it severely limits what else you can do. You can put a vast number of things on top of a big booster. The Atlas 5 went to the moon but it also launched Skylab. The Shuttle went to low earth orbit and that was all it could really do efficiently. Missions were not based on what we might want to do but what the Shuttle could do. The only good thing that came out of that was it forced us to create very capable robot probes for Mars, the outer solar system and deep space instead of wasting money on manned probes. We got a lot more science out of them, if not the "gee whiz" factor of seeing a guy standing there hitting a golf ball. By far there were many good things that came from the shuttle program... -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
... On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:38:33 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:07:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: By far there were many good things that came from the shuttle program... The real question is what could NASA have done with $176 billion dollars if they were not married to the shuttle. haven't you read the headline from the 'onion'? "NASA SHOOTS $720 MILLION INTO SPACE" Hah! -- Nom=de=Plume |
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