On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:42:59 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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fOn Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:03:54 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:11:19 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

gee. we cut taxes for the rich by 70% over the last 20 years.

We cut the tax for everyone. My taxes are about half what they were 20
years ago and we make more money.

yeah. the middle class got a tax cut of about 25 bucks.


I still have every 1040 since 1984, When I get a minute I will compile
a list of gross vs tax and let's see what it looks like.
I know I used to always say I expected to have that be about 20%. Now
it is more like 10-11%.
Anyone else want to play?

when's the last time they cut middle class tax rates by 70%?

My Federal tax rate this year was about 8%

like i said: when's the last time they cut taxes for the middle class?

you keep dodging the question

On 4/16/10 6:11 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:42:59 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


wrote in message
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fOn Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:03:54 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:11:19 -0400, wrote:

gee. we cut taxes for the rich by 70% over the last 20 years.

We cut the tax for everyone. My taxes are about half what they were 20
years ago and we make more money.

yeah. the middle class got a tax cut of about 25 bucks.


I still have every 1040 since 1984, When I get a minute I will compile
a list of gross vs tax and let's see what it looks like.
I know I used to always say I expected to have that be about 20%. Now
it is more like 10-11%.
Anyone else want to play?

when's the last time they cut middle class tax rates by 70%?

My Federal tax rate this year was about 8%

like i said: when's the last time they cut taxes for the middle class?

you keep dodging the question



i've seen or heard three independent reports so far this week that
indicate that for the middle classes, taxes are now the lowest they have
been in 65 years, and for the wealthy, the lowest they've been in close
to 40 years, because of obama's tax cuts.

not surprising, the tea party protests are...a fraud.


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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 06:38:07 -0400, hk
wrote:

On 4/16/10 6:11 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:42:59 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


when's the last time they cut middle class tax rates by 70%?

My Federal tax rate this year was about 8%

like i said: when's the last time they cut taxes for the middle class?

you keep dodging the question



i've seen or heard three independent reports so far this week that
indicate that for the middle classes, taxes are now the lowest they have
been in 65 years, and for the wealthy, the lowest they've been in close
to 40 years, because of obama's tax cuts.

not surprising, the tea party protests are...a fraud.

yep. absolutely true. obama has done what the GOP said would cause
disaster...cut middle class taxes

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 06:38:07 -0400, hk
wrote:

i've seen or heard three independent reports so far this week that
indicate that for the middle classes, taxes are now the lowest they have
been in 65 years, and for the wealthy, the lowest they've been in close
to 40 years, because of obama's tax cuts.

not surprising, the tea party protests are...a fraud.


I agree and I am one of the conservative folks here.
If tea party people want to attack the deficit they need to talk about
raising taxes. In the out years when our kids will be shouldering the
debt burden there will not be enough discretionary spending to touch
the deficit if we cut it all.
At some point we are really going to have to throw SS and Medicare
under the bus. Nobody is ever going to do that. They will simply
"monetize" the debt and inflate our way out. Sure you will still get
your $1700 check from SS but $100 won't cover an early bird dinner at
the Perkins.

All entitlements at the federal level should be thrown under the bus.
Let the states do entitlements and see how long they last. What we need
is a return to common sense and the teaching of liberty to our children.

On 4/16/10 3:04 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 06:38:07 -0400,
wrote:

i've seen or heard three independent reports so far this week that
indicate that for the middle classes, taxes are now the lowest they have
been in 65 years, and for the wealthy, the lowest they've been in close
to 40 years, because of obama's tax cuts.

not surprising, the tea party protests are...a fraud.


I agree and I am one of the conservative folks here.
If tea party people want to attack the deficit they need to talk about
raising taxes. In the out years when our kids will be shouldering the
debt burden there will not be enough discretionary spending to touch
the deficit if we cut it all.
At some point we are really going to have to throw SS and Medicare
under the bus. Nobody is ever going to do that. They will simply
"monetize" the debt and inflate our way out. Sure you will still get
your $1700 check from SS but $100 won't cover an early bird dinner at
the Perkins.

All entitlements at the federal level should be thrown under the bus.
Let the states do entitlements and see how long they last. What we need
is a return to common sense and the teaching of liberty to our children.


Ahhh...Bertie's been collecting teabagger sound bits to repost here.

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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:05:37 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 06:38:07 -0400, hk
wrote:

i've seen or heard three independent reports so far this week that
indicate that for the middle classes, taxes are now the lowest they have
been in 65 years, and for the wealthy, the lowest they've been in close
to 40 years, because of obama's tax cuts.

not surprising, the tea party protests are...a fraud.


I agree and I am one of the conservative folks here.

now THAT is true; there are some deductions for people with children,
etc. there's no indication these are either permanent (like the
capital gains cut) or that they amount to a 45% cut like the rich have
had in the capital gains over the last 30 years

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:41:17 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 06:11:19 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

like i said: when's the last time they cut taxes for the middle class?

When?
During the GW Bush administration.


They have been steadily cutting middle class tax rates since GHWB got
his ass handed to him for raising taxes.

In 1991 the tax on 50,000 from the tax table was $9,573
in 2001 it was $8,093 and this year it is $6,661
(married filing joint)

thanks to obama. and those are targeted to specific groups...like
people with children.



So give it a rest about the damned middle class tax cut.

only when we get a 45% tax cut like the wealthy have. give it a rest
about how rough the rich have it.

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 02:00:33 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:57:11 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:41:17 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 06:11:19 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

like i said: when's the last time they cut taxes for the middle class?

When?
During the GW Bush administration.

thanks to obama. and those are targeted to specific groups...like
people with children.

That cut from $8,093 to $6,661 happened during the Bush
administration. The drop from $9,575 to $8,093 happened during the
Clinton administration.

Your taxes have been cut steadily for 20 years.

really?

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/obama...ory?id=9659186

The Obama administration's new middle class initiatives will put more
money into the pockets of many Americans, but will it bolster the
flagging economy? Reactions to the plan, unveiled Monday as part of a
forthcoming report by the administration's Task Force on the Middle
Class, have largely split among ideological lines.

For Working Parents: Expanding Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit for
Middle Class Families

The saver's tax credit helps Americans save for retirement by
providing a tax credit to match their own retirement savings up to a
certain amount

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0911401420100410

"So far, Americans who have filed their taxes have discovered that the
average refund is up nearly 10 percent this year -- to an all-time
high of about $3,000," he said.



So give it a rest about the damned middle class tax cut.

only when we get a 45% tax cut like the wealthy have. give it a rest
about how rough the rich have it.

Make some investments and you can enjoy that too.

i work for a living. if i made enough money to invest i wouldnt work.

of course you rich guys disdain work, which is why you have no use for
100,000,000 working americans

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:59:11 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 02:15:26 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 02:00:33 -0400, wrote:


Your taxes have been cut steadily for 20 years.

really?

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/obama...ory?id=9659186

The Obama administration's new middle class initiatives will put more
money into the pockets of many Americans, but will it bolster the
flagging economy
That is really just more borrowing against our kid's futures. We only
appropriate about 60 cents of every federal dollar we spend. The rest
is borrowed.

as opposed to the 25% unemployment you think should be the policy?
what would happen to our kids if they were out on the street?

typical right wing. bitching. no solutions.


i work for a living. if i made enough money to invest i wouldnt work.

of course you rich guys disdain work, which is why you have no use for
100,000,000 working americans

Yup my $24,000 pension puts me up there with Bill Gates. We rich
*******s really stick it to you guys.

The reason I live a good live is I paid myself first. I saved and
invested, even back when my tax rate was over 20%. The typical middle
class tax rate is far less than 10% now if I take your number of
100,000,000 people to define them.

and 50% of americans have less than 10,000 in their 401k's.

do you hate them all?

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:59:11 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 02:15:26 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 02:00:33 -0400, wrote:


Your taxes have been cut steadily for 20 years.

really?

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/obama...ory?id=9659186

The Obama administration's new middle class initiatives will put more
money into the pockets of many Americans, but will it bolster the
flagging economy
That is really just more borrowing against our kid's futures. We only
appropriate about 60 cents of every federal dollar we spend. The rest
is borrowed.

as opposed to the 25% unemployment you think should be the policy?
what would happen to our kids if they were out on the street?

typical right wing. bitching. no solutions.


i work for a living. if i made enough money to invest i wouldnt work.

of course you rich guys disdain work, which is why you have no use for
100,000,000 working americans

Yup my $24,000 pension puts me up there with Bill Gates. We rich
*******s really stick it to you guys.

The reason I live a good live is I paid myself first. I saved and
invested, even back when my tax rate was over 20%. The typical middle
class tax rate is far less than 10% now if I take your number of
100,000,000 people to define them.

and 50% of americans have less than 10,000 in their 401k's.

do you hate them all?

Of those 50%, how many lease a nice car, live in a home that is a maximum
mortgage or rent a nice place? I made good money, drove a Chevrolet, Ford,
VW, and Toyota and Chevy LUV pickup over the years. As Greg states. Pay
yourself first. We took resonable vacations with the kids and even after
they left home.