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Is RBP still alive? I haven't been here in a long time... thought I'd drop
by with a question. I hope everyone is having a good start to the paddling
season.

I'm a canoe kind of guy and have three that I enjoy very much (Bell
Northwind, Bell Magic and Mad River Eclipse). I was recently encouraged to
buy a kayak to use on an annual sal****er fly fishing trip to Cape Cod. I
just picked up a new Wilderness Systems Pungo 140 Angler. I bought a Werner
Tybee paddle (in expectation that my canoe background makes me tend to be a
high angle paddler?), a bilge pump and a Seal skirt. I live in a rural area
in upstate NY and the only "kayakers" I know are paddling oversize plastic
pool toys from the local sporting goods chain stores... no real enthusiasts
around that I'm aware of to seek guidance from.

Can any of you recommend a good reference book or two? I'm particularly
fond of Bill Mason's "Path of the Paddle" as a canoeing reference. Is there
a similar work in print for kayakers? I've found some interesting
instructional vids on Youtube, but I'd really like a good book. What is the
kayaker's bible?

Thanks for any suggestions,
desmobob

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On Apr 11, 4:47*pm, "Robert Scott" wrote:
Is RBP still alive? I haven't been here in a long time... thought I'd drop
by with a question. *I hope everyone is having a good start to the paddling
season.

I'm a canoe kind of guy and have three that I enjoy very much (Bell
Northwind, Bell Magic and Mad River Eclipse). *I was recently encouraged to
buy a kayak to use on an annual sal****er fly fishing trip to Cape Cod. *I
just picked up a new Wilderness Systems Pungo 140 Angler. *I bought a Werner
Tybee paddle (in expectation that my canoe background makes me tend to be a
high angle paddler?), a bilge pump and a Seal skirt. *I live in a rural area
in upstate NY and the only "kayakers" I know are paddling oversize plastic
pool toys from the local sporting goods chain stores... no real enthusiasts
around that I'm aware of to seek guidance from.

Can any of you recommend a good reference book or two? * I'm particularly
fond of Bill Mason's "Path of the Paddle" as a canoeing reference. *Is there
a similar work in print for kayakers? *I've found some interesting
instructional vids on Youtube, but I'd really like a good book. *What is the
kayaker's bible?

For kayaking, I like Tom Foster's "Catch Every Eddy, Surf Every Wave".
It's great for beginner to advanced kayakers.

John Kuthe...

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"John Kuthe" wrote in message
...
On Apr 11, 4:47 pm, "Robert Scott" wrote:
Is RBP still alive? I haven't been here in a long time... thought I'd
drop
by with a question. I hope everyone is having a good start to the
paddling
season.

I'm a canoe kind of guy and have three that I enjoy very much (Bell
Northwind, Bell Magic and Mad River Eclipse). I was recently encouraged
to
buy a kayak to use on an annual sal****er fly fishing trip to Cape Cod. I
just picked up a new Wilderness Systems Pungo 140 Angler. I bought a
Werner
Tybee paddle (in expectation that my canoe background makes me tend to be
a
high angle paddler?), a bilge pump and a Seal skirt. I live in a rural
area
in upstate NY and the only "kayakers" I know are paddling oversize
plastic
pool toys from the local sporting goods chain stores... no real
enthusiasts
around that I'm aware of to seek guidance from.

Can any of you recommend a good reference book or two? I'm particularly
fond of Bill Mason's "Path of the Paddle" as a canoeing reference. Is
there
a similar work in print for kayakers? I've found some interesting
instructional vids on Youtube, but I'd really like a good book. What is
the
kayaker's bible?

For kayaking, I like Tom Foster's "Catch Every Eddy, Surf Every Wave".
It's great for beginner to advanced kayakers.

John Kuthe...


Thanks John.

I should add that MY oversized pool toy will be paddled 95% on inland
flat-water and 5% on inshore sal****er.

I had it out today for the first time. I was cursing the entire trip! The
Pungo 140 Angler comes with some add-ons like a pair of rod holders (one
flush and one conventional) and a pair of paddle or rod clips. Turns out
the aft clip is mounted right at the outside edge of the deck just about
even with the seat back:
http://www.wildernesssystems.com/pro...ngo_140_angler

I whacked my fingers against it on every stroke until I started having to
make an uncomfortable "correction" to keep my hand clear of it. I
definitely need to relocate or remove it, or get a longer paddle for
low-angle style paddling. :-(

Good paddling,
desmobob

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Robert Scott wrote:
Is RBP still alive?

Seems to that the last on-topic post was at the end of February...
I wouldn't call that alive.

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

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In a previous article, "Robert Scott" said:
high angle paddler?), a bilge pump and a Seal skirt. I live in a rural area
in upstate NY and the only "kayakers" I know are paddling oversize plastic
pool toys from the local sporting goods chain stores... no real enthusiasts
around that I'm aware of to seek guidance from.

How far away are you from Rochester? The Bay Creek Paddle Center in
Rochester has knowledgable staff, as well as training programs at all
levels and all types of paddling. They even have a new kayak fishing
program and a new kayak fishing expert.


--
Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/
We'll burn that bridge when we come to it.

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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
In a previous article, "Robert Scott" said:
high angle paddler?), a bilge pump and a Seal skirt. I live in a rural
area
in upstate NY and the only "kayakers" I know are paddling oversize plastic
pool toys from the local sporting goods chain stores... no real
enthusiasts
around that I'm aware of to seek guidance from.

How far away are you from Rochester? The Bay Creek Paddle Center in
Rochester has knowledgable staff, as well as training programs at all
levels and all types of paddling. They even have a new kayak fishing
program and a new kayak fishing expert.


That sounds great. Unfortunately, I'm on the other side of the state, right
up against the VT border.


Good paddling,
desmobob

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In article , Robert
Scott wrote:

Is RBP still alive? I haven't been here in a long time...


That's why it's not on . . . people who haven't been here in a long
time.

Sad.

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"Harold Burton" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Robert
Scott wrote:

Is RBP still alive? I haven't been here in a long time...


That's why it's not on . . . people who haven't been here in a long
time.

Sad.



That sure was a pleasant "welcome back." That might explain things...

Good paddling,
desmobob

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"Harold Burton" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Robert
Scott wrote:

Is RBP still alive? I haven't been here in a long time...


That's why it's not on . . . people who haven't been here in a long
time.

Sad.


OK... if I apologize for killing RBP, can I ask another question?

I sometimes struggle a bit to get my new Pungo 140 loaded onto my roof rack
(Thule crossbars and Yakima "Land Shark" kayak pads.) I've been eyeballing
that Yakima Outrigger rod that slides out of the forward crossbar and allows
you to put the boat up one end at a time. I've never seen one in use and
don't know anyone who has one. Is it an effective and handy loading aid or
just a clever gimmick?

Thanks for any info,
desmobob

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On Apr 18, 6:24*am, "Robert Scott" wrote:
"Harold Burton" wrote in message

.. .

In article , Robert
Scott wrote:

Is RBP still alive? I haven't been here in a long time...

That's why it's not on . . . people who haven't been here in a long
time.

Sad.

OK... if I apologize for killing RBP, can I ask another question?

I sometimes struggle a bit to get my new Pungo 140 loaded onto my roof rack
(Thule crossbars and Yakima "Land Shark" kayak pads.) *I've been eyeballing
that Yakima Outrigger rod that slides out of the forward crossbar and allows
you to put the boat up one end at a time. *I've never seen one in use and
don't know anyone who has one. *Is it an effective and handy loading aid or
just a clever gimmick?

Thanks for any info,
desmobob

I used to work at an outdoor sports shop, and I have first hand
experience at using them. They ROCK! You just pull the Outrigger out,
get one end of your boat up on it, lift the other end of your boat and
plop it up on the racks, and viola! Then put the Outrigger back in,
get the pads under your boat, tie off and you're on your way.

John Kuthe...

Getting the boat on your cartop (was Hey... is this thing ON?)
 

On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 07:24:09 -0400, "Robert Scott"
wrote:


"Harold Burton" wrote in message
. ..
In article , Robert
Scott wrote:

Is RBP still alive? I haven't been here in a long time...


That's why it's not on . . . people who haven't been here in a long
time.

Sad.


OK... if I apologize for killing RBP, can I ask another question?

I sometimes struggle a bit to get my new Pungo 140 loaded onto my roof rack
(Thule crossbars and Yakima "Land Shark" kayak pads.) I've been eyeballing
that Yakima Outrigger rod that slides out of the forward crossbar and allows
you to put the boat up one end at a time. I've never seen one in use and
don't know anyone who has one. Is it an effective and handy loading aid or
just a clever gimmick?

Thanks for any info,
desmobob

I'm a gimp and used to use a hand trailer-type boat winch and v-shaped
rollers to get my boat up. I can crank and paddle OK but my legs
really suck.

Getting the boat on your cartop (was Hey... is this thing ON?)
 

I sometimes struggle a bit to get my new Pungo 140 loaded onto my roof
rack
(Thule crossbars and Yakima "Land Shark" kayak pads.) I've been
eyeballing
that Yakima Outrigger rod that slides out of the forward crossbar and
allows
you to put the boat up one end at a time. I've never seen one in use and
don't know anyone who has one. Is it an effective and handy loading aid
or
just a clever gimmick?

Thanks for any info,
desmobob


I'm a gimp and used to use a hand trailer-type boat winch and v-shaped
rollers to get my boat up. I can crank and paddle OK but my legs
really suck.


I like the winch and roller idea, but with the trailer still attachedto
them. :-) I'm looking into the trailering option for the future. I have
a particular liking for this one that I could use as a canoe and kayak
hauler AND a utility trailer:
http://www.slickrydr.com/ProductLine...5/Default.aspx

Good paddling,
desmobob

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"John Kuthe" wrote in message
...

I sometimes struggle a bit to get my new Pungo 140 loaded onto my roof
rack
(Thule crossbars and Yakima "Land Shark" kayak pads.) I've been eyeballing
that Yakima Outrigger rod that slides out of the forward crossbar and
allows
you to put the boat up one end at a time. I've never seen one in use and
don't know anyone who has one. Is it an effective and handy loading aid or
just a clever gimmick?

Thanks for any info,
desmobob

I used to work at an outdoor sports shop, and I have first hand
experience at using them. They ROCK! You just pull the Outrigger out,
get one end of your boat up on it, lift the other end of your boat and
plop it up on the racks, and viola! Then put the Outrigger back in,
get the pads under your boat, tie off and you're on your way.

John Kuthe...



Thanks for the info, John. As much as I hate the thought of spending $70
for a short piece of metal, I'll probably go ahead and do it.

Good paddling,
desmobob

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On Apr 18, 7:20*pm, "Robert Scott" wrote:
"John Kuthe" wrote in message

...



I sometimes struggle a bit to get my new Pungo 140 loaded onto my roof
rack
(Thule crossbars and Yakima "Land Shark" kayak pads.) I've been eyeballing
that Yakima Outrigger rod that slides out of the forward crossbar and
allows
you to put the boat up one end at a time. I've never seen one in use and
don't know anyone who has one. Is it an effective and handy loading aid or
just a clever gimmick?

Thanks for any info,
desmobob

I used to work at an outdoor sports shop, and I have first hand
experience at using them. They ROCK! You just pull the Outrigger out,
get one end of your boat up on it, lift the other end of your boat and
plop it up on the racks, and viola! Then put the Outrigger back in,
get the pads under your boat, tie off and you're on your way.

John Kuthe...

Thanks for the info, John. *As much as I hate the thought of spending $70
for a short piece of metal, I'll probably go ahead and do it.

Good paddling,
desmobob

Yeah, Yakima stuff is overpriced, that's for sure. But it is good
equipment.

I still have my original Yakima Kayak Stackers I bought for $40 for
the pair of them. A fair price, I thought. Today I doubt you can get a
pair of Kayak Stackers for much under $100, and they are not even as
good as the originals, which rock in their simplicity of design. I
treasure mine, especially since you can't get them anymore.

John Kuthe...

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I also favor the putting one end of the boat on and then lifting the
other, especially with canoes. The "clean and jerk" from my younger
days has disappeared. I have even loaded canoes from the back end of
the rack on my truck like a Hully Roller and "walked" it up the back
bar until it was on. The only easier way was to talk someone into
loading it for you :)

jaybird

............O
.......(___|/____)
............/

Getting the boat on your cartop (was Hey... is this thing ON?)
 

Per Robert Scott:
I like the winch and roller idea, but with the trailer still attachedto
them. :-) I'm looking into the trailering option for the future. I have
a particular liking for this one that I could use as a canoe and kayak
hauler AND a utility trailer:
http://www.slickrydr.com/ProductLine...5/Default.aspx

Trailers continue to call out to me. I've even got a small
collection of photos that I take every time I see an interesting
trailer.

But, as a windsurfer for 20+ years, I keep seeing people migrate
from a trailer (sometimes a quite elegant trailer...) to a
vehicle that can carry everything by itself.

Turnpike fees have tb one factor: around here a 200-lb trailer
pays the same as a fully-loaded 18-wheeler on the Atlantic City
Expressway.

Parking might be another.

But a trailer is calling out again to me since I've started
looking for a replacement for my Suburban (roof rusting
through..) and Toyota's FJ Cruiser is on my short list.
--
PeteCresswell

Getting the boat on your cartop (was Hey... is this thing ON?)
 

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:13:50 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

Per Robert Scott:
I like the winch and roller idea, but with the trailer still attachedto
them. :-) I'm looking into the trailering option for the future. I have
a particular liking for this one that I could use as a canoe and kayak
hauler AND a utility trailer:
http://www.slickrydr.com/ProductLine...5/Default.aspx

Trailers continue to call out to me. I've even got a small
collection of photos that I take every time I see an interesting
trailer.

But, as a windsurfer for 20+ years, I keep seeing people migrate
from a trailer (sometimes a quite elegant trailer...) to a
vehicle that can carry everything by itself.

Turnpike fees have tb one factor: around here a 200-lb trailer
pays the same as a fully-loaded 18-wheeler on the Atlantic City
Expressway.

Parking might be another.

But a trailer is calling out again to me since I've started
looking for a replacement for my Suburban (roof rusting
through..) and Toyota's FJ Cruiser is on my short list.

I finally got a Chevy van, took the front passenger seat out, and now
I carry the kayak inside the van, plus, I have to lift it less than a
meter to get it in now.

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Harold Burton wrote:
In article , Robert
Scott wrote:

Is RBP still alive? I haven't been here in a long time...


That's why it's not on . . . people who haven't been here in a long
time.

Sad.

I still have it on my reader. A lot of ISP's no longer support usenet directly, forcing everyone to Google Groups for free reading.
I use Giganews and pay the small monthly fee. Most of my usenet reading is in the groups associated with my profession.
Otherwise, I have moved mostly to Yahoo groups. Since most of my rafting is in the western US, I subscribe to Utah Rafters, and the
Grand Canyon Private Boaters Association.

Times change though. I have accumulated a bunch of rafting gear and really should start to find a new home for it. We ran the
Colorado River in the Grand Canyon last year and that sort of was the ultimate trip. Time to move on to new adventures. We would
keep enough stuff to still be able to run Desolation Canyon in Utah every year. After having done September trip there, I would
gladly trade the lower water for the better weather.

Blakely

--
Blakely LaCroix
Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

"The best adventure is yet to come"

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On Apr 20, 10:42*am, RailTramp wrote:
Harold Burton wrote:
In article , Robert
Scott wrote:

Is RBP still alive? I haven't been here in a long time...

That's why it's not on . . . people who haven't been here in a long
time.

Sad.

I still have it on my reader. *A lot of ISP's no longer support usenet directly, forcing everyone to Google Groups for free reading.
* I use Giganews and pay the small monthly fee. *Most of my usenet reading is in the groups associated with my profession.
Otherwise, I have moved mostly to Yahoo groups. *Since most of my rafting is in the western US, I subscribe to Utah Rafters, and the
Grand Canyon Private Boaters Association.

Times change though. *I have accumulated a bunch of rafting gear and really should start to find a new home for it. We ran the
Colorado River in the Grand Canyon last year and that sort of was the ultimate trip. Time to move on to new adventures. We would
keep enough stuff to still be able to run Desolation Canyon in Utah every year. *After having done September trip there, I would
gladly trade the lower water for the better weather.

Blakely

--
Blakely LaCroix
Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

"The best adventure is yet to come"

My problem with trailers is what do you do with it when it's not
behind the car. I don't have acres of driveway or spare space in the
garage. Perhaps a folding tailer might work.
Roger
http://www.virginiarowing.com

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On 4/11/2010 5:47 PM, Robert Scott wrote:
Can any of you recommend a good reference book or two? I'm particularly
fond of Bill Mason's "Path of the Paddle" as a canoeing reference. Is there
a similar work in print for kayakers?

You don't want Tom Foster's book, good as it is, for the paddling you're
going to do in a Pungo. Here's a short list of my favorites.

The Complete Sea Kayaker's Handbook, Shelley Johnson
Sea Kayaking Illustrated : A Visual Guide to Better Paddling, John Robison
Paddle Your Own Kayak: An Illustrated Guide to the Art of Kayaking, Gary
McGuffin and Joanie McGuffin

I think all of these are really good. The McGuffin book is especially
gorgeous to look at.

Steve

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"Steve Cramer" wrote in message
...
On 4/11/2010 5:47 PM, Robert Scott wrote:
Can any of you recommend a good reference book or two? I'm particularly
fond of Bill Mason's "Path of the Paddle" as a canoeing reference. Is
there
a similar work in print for kayakers?

You don't want Tom Foster's book, good as it is, for the paddling you're
going to do in a Pungo. Here's a short list of my favorites.

The Complete Sea Kayaker's Handbook, Shelley Johnson
Sea Kayaking Illustrated : A Visual Guide to Better Paddling, John Robison
Paddle Your Own Kayak: An Illustrated Guide to the Art of Kayaking, Gary
McGuffin and Joanie McGuffin

I think all of these are really good. The McGuffin book is especially
gorgeous to look at.

Steve


Thanks for the suggestions, Steve. I appreciate it.

Good paddling,
desmobob

Getting the boat on your cartop (was Hey... is this thing ON?)
 

OK... I did some searching in a place I hadn't initially thought of:
YouTube.

I found a clip of someone loading a kayak using the outrigger crossbar
extension type device. I have to say I was not impressed because it looks
like it would be VERY easy to scrape the boat against the side of the car.

But what I also saw were some pretty cool vids of guys using home-made
loading aids. Instead of being out to the side, they were temporarily
attached to the very rear of the roof (when used with a station wagon/SUV
type vehicle like my Subaru Forester). One end of the boat was lifted up to
the skid/roller/whatever type car protection, and then the boat was pushed
straight up onto the pads on the roof racks. I think I'm favoring this
approach. As did jaybird, I used to easily load my canoes that way on the
ladder racks on my pickup, and they were w-a-a-y up there.

As and added benefit, the home-made rigs are cheap. And so am I. :-)

Good paddling,
desmobob

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On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:13:46 -0400, "Robert Scott"
wrote:

OK... I did some searching in a place I hadn't initially thought of:
YouTube.

I found a clip of someone loading a kayak using the outrigger crossbar
extension type device. I have to say I was not impressed because it looks
like it would be VERY easy to scrape the boat against the side of the car.

But what I also saw were some pretty cool vids of guys using home-made
loading aids. Instead of being out to the side, they were temporarily
attached to the very rear of the roof (when used with a station wagon/SUV
type vehicle like my Subaru Forester). One end of the boat was lifted up to
the skid/roller/whatever type car protection, and then the boat was pushed
straight up onto the pads on the roof racks. I think I'm favoring this
approach. As did jaybird, I used to easily load my canoes that way on the
ladder racks on my pickup, and they were w-a-a-y up there.

As and added benefit, the home-made rigs are cheap. And so am I. :-)

Good paddling,
desmobob

That's sort of what I used to use -- I got a bunch of big V shaped
boat rollers (the yellow ones don't leave black marks) then a winch.
I'd run the cable up from the back where the winch was up to the front
of the rack and then back down over the rollers to the boat. I'd drag
the boat to the back of the car/truck, then clip on the line and winch
the boat up the rollers to the top.

Getting the boat on your cartop (was Hey... is this thingON?)
 

On Apr 22, 6:13*pm, "Robert Scott" wrote:
OK... I did some searching in a place I hadn't initially thought of:
YouTube.

I found a clip of someone loading a kayak using the outrigger crossbar
extension type device. *I have to say I was not impressed because it looks
like it would be VERY easy to scrape the boat against the side of the car..

I'm so glad I don't drive a showcar, just for that reason! I drive a
boating vehicle, and it has the scars of a life well lived to prove
it.

John Kuthe...

Pungo finger whacking
 

Bob, if your hand is coming back far enough to whack that aft clip, you
stroke is too long. Your hand really shouldn't go past your hip, and it
should be lifting the paddle up out of the water as it does. Have a look
at this guy.
http://www.atlantickayaktours.com/Pa...ion/Exit.shtml

On 4/12/2010 7:40 PM, Robert Scott wrote:
I should add that MY oversized pool toy will be paddled 95% on inland
flat-water and 5% on inshore sal****er.

I had it out today for the first time. I was cursing the entire trip! The
Pungo 140 Angler comes with some add-ons like a pair of rod holders (one
flush and one conventional) and a pair of paddle or rod clips. Turns out
the aft clip is mounted right at the outside edge of the deck just about
even with the seat back:
http://www.wildernesssystems.com/pro...ngo_140_angler

I whacked my fingers against it on every stroke until I started having to
make an uncomfortable "correction" to keep my hand clear of it. I
definitely need to relocate or remove it, or get a longer paddle for
low-angle style paddling. :-(

Pungo finger whacking
 

"Steve Cramer" wrote in message
...
Bob, if your hand is coming back far enough to whack that aft clip, you
stroke is too long. Your hand really shouldn't go past your hip, and it
should be lifting the paddle up out of the water as it does. Have a look
at this guy.
http://www.atlantickayaktours.com/Pa...ion/Exit.shtml



Thanks for that information and link, Steve. It shows I need to do some
research, video-watching and reading on kayak paddling. I guess I paddle
the kayak like I do a canoe... I'm reaching way across with the off-side
hand and sticking the paddle in almost vertically, then pull myself/my boat
to it. Does anyone make a bent-shaft kayak paddle? ;-)

Thanks again,
desmobob

Pungo finger whacking
 

Per Steve Cramer:
Your hand really shouldn't go past your hip, and it
should be lifting the paddle up out of the water as it does. Have a look
at this guy.
http://www.atlantickayaktours.com/Pa...ion/Exit.shtml

I'm just a duffer, but the word I get from serious paddlers is
that a short stroke like that shown combined with the lack of
torso rotation in the pix will lead to shoulder damage.

The ones I consult say that the paddle should exit the water
further back - but be further back by virtue of torso rotation.

Enough torso rotation feels extreme at first, but becomes natural
with practice. It brings other muscles into play - offloading
the shoulders.
--
PeteCresswell

Pungo finger whacking
 

On 5/1/2010 5:30 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

I'm just a duffer, but the word I get from serious paddlers is
that a short stroke like that shown combined with the lack of
torso rotation in the pix will lead to shoulder damage.

The ones I consult say that the paddle should exit the water
further back - but be further back by virtue of torso rotation.

A little apples and oranges, here, Pete. I posted those pics to
emphasize the exit, not rotation per se. Frankly, I think he's exiting a
little early, but that's not what most newbies do. I agree that if you
don't rotate, it's bad for your shoulders. I don't agree that serious
paddlers exit farther back. Watch this guy and see how far his right
hand moves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lef_ut8n0ms. Greg is a pretty
serious paddler.

This one's a little harder to see, but note that their hands never go
past their hips. And rotation? When you can see their back numbers from
the side, that's rotation.
http://www.youtube.com/v/zs2HQG0HLNo&hl=en_US&fs=1&

Steve

Pungo finger whacking
 

Per Steve Cramer:
Bob, if your hand is coming back far enough to whack that aft clip, you
stroke is too long. Your hand really shouldn't go past your hip, and it
should be lifting the paddle up out of the water as it does. Have a look
at this guy.
http://www.atlantickayaktours.com/Pa...ion/Exit.shtml

http://www.wildernesssystems.com/pro...ngo_140_angler

I think it's blade vs hand.

In the OP, it has the blade exiting at the hips.

In the two clips above (and my own stroke...) the blade exits
astern of the hips, and it's the hand that stops at the hips.
--
PeteCresswell

Pungo finger whacking
 

On 5/3/2010 1:31 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
In the two clips above (and my own stroke...) the blade exits
astern of the hips, and it's the hand that stops at the hips.

Righto.

Steve

Getting the boat on your cartop (was Hey... is this thingON?)
 

Robert Scott wrote:


I sometimes struggle a bit to get my new Pungo 140 loaded onto my roof rack
(Thule crossbars and Yakima "Land Shark" kayak pads.) I've been eyeballing
that Yakima Outrigger rod that slides out of the forward crossbar and allows
you to put the boat up one end at a time. I've never seen one in use and
don't know anyone who has one. Is it an effective and handy loading aid or
just a clever gimmick?

I don't have one myself, but I've seen them in use and tried it once.
My verdict: effective and handy loading aid

YMMV.

I'd suggest going to a dealer and seeing if you can do a demo.

//Walt

Getting the boat on your cartop (was Hey... is this thing ON?)
 

"Walt" wrote in message
...
Robert Scott wrote:


I sometimes struggle a bit to get my new Pungo 140 loaded onto my roof
rack (Thule crossbars and Yakima "Land Shark" kayak pads.) I've been
eyeballing that Yakima Outrigger rod that slides out of the forward
crossbar and allows you to put the boat up one end at a time. I've never
seen one in use and don't know anyone who has one. Is it an effective
and handy loading aid or just a clever gimmick?

I don't have one myself, but I've seen them in use and tried it once. My
verdict: effective and handy loading aid

YMMV.

I'd suggest going to a dealer and seeing if you can do a demo.

//Walt
Walt I have one I use for loading my Tsunami 14.5 kayak on my Suzuki
Sidekick. I am 6'2, 250 lbs, but over 70. I use it every time I go out,
Saves me a bunch of grief. Would not be with out it.
Mike

Getting the boat on your cartop (was Hey... is this thing ON?)
 

"mike" wrote in message
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"Walt" wrote in message
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Robert Scott wrote:


I sometimes struggle a bit to get my new Pungo 140 loaded onto my roof
rack (Thule crossbars and Yakima "Land Shark" kayak pads.) I've been
eyeballing that Yakima Outrigger rod that slides out of the forward
crossbar and allows you to put the boat up one end at a time. I've
never seen one in use and don't know anyone who has one. Is it an
effective and handy loading aid or just a clever gimmick?



I don't have one myself, but I've seen them in use and tried it once. My
verdict: effective and handy loading aid

YMMV.

I'd suggest going to a dealer and seeing if you can do a demo.

//Walt


Walt I have one I use for loading my Tsunami 14.5 kayak on my Suzuki
Sidekick. I am 6'2, 250 lbs, but over 70. I use it every time I go out,
Saves me a bunch of grief. Would not be with out it.
Mike


Mike,

What's the beam on your Tsunami? No problems bumping/scraping the car?

Good paddling,
desmobob

Good idea!

Pungo finger whacking
 

"Steve Cramer" wrote in message
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Bob, if your hand is coming back far enough to whack that aft clip, you
stroke is too long. Your hand really shouldn't go past your hip, and it
should be lifting the paddle up out of the water as it does. Have a look
at this guy.
http://www.atlantickayaktours.com/Pa...ion/Exit.shtml


A little update on my paddling...

I think my seated posture was causing the problem. When I sit perfectly
upright, or better yet, forward a couple of degrees, the onside hand never
wants to go past my hip. I can feel a noticeable difference in efficiency
when I'm forward just a tad. Damn belly gets in the way a little,
though.... ;-)

That link you provided leads to lots of valuable information. I've spent a
good amount of time there trying to learn and improve. Thanks!

Good paddling,
desmobob

Pungo finger whacking
 

On 5/25/2010 4:59 PM, Robert Scott wrote:
I can feel a noticeable difference in efficiency
when I'm forward just a tad.

Good discovery learning!

Steve