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TopBassDog wrote:
On Apr 5, 9:28 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 17:54:28 -0500, Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:57:49 -0700, jps wrote:
On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:55:43 -0400, bpuharic
wrote:
On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 18:19:46 -0700, jps wrote:
Maybe the world's young people are finally getting the message.
CAPE TOWN, South Africa - South Africa's far-right leader Eugene
Terreblanche who campaigned for a separate white homeland was
murdered
on Saturday on his farm, the SAPA news agency reported.
he should have moved to texas. they would have made him governor.
Too late for him now, fortunately.
The cruel irony is that Progressivism is so...malevolent.
You've hit on the key that most here won't understand.
Glenn Beck has done an in-depth analysis of Progressivism.
He has laid out its evils in detail, using film, music and
the simple but effective blackboard.
Logically mapping the progress of this insanity known as
"Progressivism," he has shown it for what it it.
Evil.
Not the innocent "political movement" portrayed in "scholarly" books
and
encyclopedias.
Those depictions are done by "progressives" and are deceptive and
self-serving, which is part and parcel of progressive evil.
The hallmark characteristic of any evil is its ability to disguise its
malevolence in the mask of benevolence and fairness.
Some of us - you, me, my sister and Glenn at minimum - can see through
the mask.
Too bad usenet is not conducive to use of the blackboard, but alas, it
is not. And fat chance of getting the libs to watch Glenn, a kind and
benevolent man who has been unjustifiably pilloried by the main stream
media in an attempt to minimize the audience he can speak the truth
to.
Jim - Glenn Beck fan.
I have no doubt that Beck has given the subject a thorough treatment.
Now that's extremely funny. And, I think you're serious.

I don't watch television, and subsequently I don't watch Beck. My
observation (and obviously you're aware of the same hypocrisy) is
based on the malicious contempt that JPS, and others who adhere to the
Progressive ideaology, display for other human beings, especially
those that they deem to be politically opposed. As far as I'm
concerned Progressivism, as its displayed by its representatives in
this group, is to be scorned.
Then, you go on to contradict yourself... you don't watch TV/Beck, but
you
have no doubt....

You are quite the (pseudo) intellectual!

--
Nom=de=Plume

How would you know D'Plume? The man doesn't use phrases that you
endorse such as "know know" and I'm sure he does, "read what he
rights" as you would say.

You of all people, D'Plume. As non-average as you are, question the
mans intellect?
As if that wasn't bad enough, The girl has confessed to being an under
achiever. She'd rather be lolling around the house stuffing herself with
bon-bons and chatting on the internet than doing something worthwhile with
her over developed underused brain.


Looks like you have a partner in your moronic behavior... good for you.
Friends are important!

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Nom=de=Plume

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On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 02:21:33 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:28:37 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 17:54:28 -0500, Jim wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:57:49 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:55:43 -0400, bpuharic
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 18:19:46 -0700, jps wrote:

Maybe the world's young people are finally getting the message.

CAPE TOWN, South Africa - South Africa's far-right leader Eugene
Terreblanche who campaigned for a separate white homeland was
murdered
on Saturday on his farm, the SAPA news agency reported.
he should have moved to texas. they would have made him governor.
Too late for him now, fortunately.

The cruel irony is that Progressivism is so...malevolent.

You've hit on the key that most here won't understand.
Glenn Beck has done an in-depth analysis of Progressivism.
He has laid out its evils in detail, using film, music and
the simple but effective blackboard.
Logically mapping the progress of this insanity known as
"Progressivism," he has shown it for what it it.
Evil.
Not the innocent "political movement" portrayed in "scholarly" books
and
encyclopedias.
Those depictions are done by "progressives" and are deceptive and
self-serving, which is part and parcel of progressive evil.
The hallmark characteristic of any evil is its ability to disguise its
malevolence in the mask of benevolence and fairness.
Some of us - you, me, my sister and Glenn at minimum - can see through
the mask.
Too bad usenet is not conducive to use of the blackboard, but alas, it
is not. And fat chance of getting the libs to watch Glenn, a kind and
benevolent man who has been unjustifiably pilloried by the main stream
media in an attempt to minimize the audience he can speak the truth to.

Jim - Glenn Beck fan.


I have no doubt that Beck has given the subject a thorough treatment.

Now that's extremely funny. And, I think you're serious.

I don't watch television, and subsequently I don't watch Beck. My
observation (and obviously you're aware of the same hypocrisy) is
based on the malicious contempt that JPS, and others who adhere to the
Progressive ideaology, display for other human beings, especially
those that they deem to be politically opposed. As far as I'm
concerned Progressivism, as its displayed by its representatives in
this group, is to be scorned.

Then, you go on to contradict yourself... you don't watch TV/Beck, but
you
have no doubt....

You are quite the (pseudo) intellectual!

He's big on werds. I have contempt for selfish skanks who believe
that society need not include a social compact, apart from dog eat
dog.

This person has contempt for a creature of his own making. I
suspect, though, with good foundation, that this allusion may be to
cryptic for either JPS or Miss De Plume.


As I said, you're a pseudo intellectual, and you're not even very good at
it.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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He's big on werds. I have contempt for selfish skanks who believe
that society need not include a social compact, apart from dog eat
dog.

This person has contempt for a creature of his own making. I
suspect, though, with good foundation, that this allusion may be to
cryptic for either JPS or Miss De Plume.

I can't resist the compulsion to correct this. This should read
"...too cryptic..."


You should have tried.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Hey, some progress!!!
 

Hey, some progress!!!
 

On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:18:37 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 02:27:13 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:26:13 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:57:49 -0700, jps
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:55:43 -0400, bpuharic
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 18:19:46 -0700, jps
wrote:


Maybe the world's young people are finally getting the
message.

CAPE TOWN, South Africa - South Africa's far-right leader
Eugene
Terreblanche who campaigned for a separate white homeland was
murdered
on Saturday on his farm, the SAPA news agency reported.

he should have moved to texas. they would have made him
governor.

Too late for him now, fortunately.

The cruel irony is that Progressivism is so...malevolent.


For the uneducated and the fearful. I agree.

Your statement tends towards ambiguity. Is it that "for the
uneducated and the fearful" there is a cruel irony in
Progressivism's
malevolence, or is it that Progressivism holds its malevolence
for
the
uneducated and the fearful, or is it that for the uneducated and
the
fearful there is a purported misconception that Progressivism is
malevolent?

(I wonder does Progressivism stand up for the uneducated and
fearful,
and hold the same as equals in solidarity?)


You're a troll. You make sounds like you're educated, but I suspect
it's
self-taught. Nothing wrong with that, but the pretending otherwise
is
a
bit
deceitful. Is that clear enough?

Too, I make no pretense. My note was completely serious and
necessary.


Sure. Whatever. Best of luck to you figuring it out.

You're dishonest.


Sure. Whatever. Do you feel better now?

If you're not going to be honest in your conversation, I'll ask you
not to respond to any of my posts. Enjoy.


Whew... touch a nerve huh? Well, too bad. I think I'll respond to
whatever I
please. If you don't like it, feel free not to read them.

Clearly a Libertarian in theory rather than practice. A real
Libertarian would never attempt to control another's behavior.

There you go. You've found me out. I've adroitly manipulated Miss De
Plume such that she'll respond to my every posting, as infrequent as
they are, in order to skirt your filter. I should say that the effort
was nearly adroit, since you've uncovered my nefarious plot. Why am I
cursed with such keen opponents?


Because you're a bozo?

Insurance Jesus completely misses the point, as usual.

Hey, some progress!!!
 

On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:20:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 02:25:30 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 20:46:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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m...
On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:28:37 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 17:54:28 -0500, Jim wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:57:49 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:55:43 -0400, bpuharic
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 18:19:46 -0700, jps
wrote:

Maybe the world's young people are finally getting the message.

CAPE TOWN, South Africa - South Africa's far-right leader Eugene
Terreblanche who campaigned for a separate white homeland was
murdered
on Saturday on his farm, the SAPA news agency reported.
he should have moved to texas. they would have made him governor.
Too late for him now, fortunately.

The cruel irony is that Progressivism is so...malevolent.

You've hit on the key that most here won't understand.
Glenn Beck has done an in-depth analysis of Progressivism.
He has laid out its evils in detail, using film, music and
the simple but effective blackboard.
Logically mapping the progress of this insanity known as
"Progressivism," he has shown it for what it it.
Evil.
Not the innocent "political movement" portrayed in "scholarly" books
and
encyclopedias.
Those depictions are done by "progressives" and are deceptive and
self-serving, which is part and parcel of progressive evil.
The hallmark characteristic of any evil is its ability to disguise
its
malevolence in the mask of benevolence and fairness.
Some of us - you, me, my sister and Glenn at minimum - can see
through
the mask.
Too bad usenet is not conducive to use of the blackboard, but alas,
it
is not. And fat chance of getting the libs to watch Glenn, a kind
and
benevolent man who has been unjustifiably pilloried by the main
stream
media in an attempt to minimize the audience he can speak the truth
to.

Jim - Glenn Beck fan.


I have no doubt that Beck has given the subject a thorough treatment.

Now that's extremely funny. And, I think you're serious.

I don't watch television, and subsequently I don't watch Beck. My
observation (and obviously you're aware of the same hypocrisy) is
based on the malicious contempt that JPS, and others who adhere to
the
Progressive ideaology, display for other human beings, especially
those that they deem to be politically opposed. As far as I'm
concerned Progressivism, as its displayed by its representatives in
this group, is to be scorned.

Then, you go on to contradict yourself... you don't watch TV/Beck, but
you
have no doubt....

You are quite the (pseudo) intellectual!

You don't know what you're about. My statement about Beck's treatment
of the subject was based on Jim's synopsis, giving Jim the benefit of
the doubt in the accuracy of his summary, as any 'cogent' reader could
have assessed. You need to troll elsewhere.


Because Jim deserves, as one can easily observe, the benefit of the
doubt.
Right. You're the troll. Or, perhaps more accurately, a shill for
Beck/Rush.

I think I'll stay right here for now.

Jesus of Insurance doesn't know that Jim isn't Jim but just a parody.
But that's plenty good enough for him, 'cause parodies fit right into
JoI's view of reality. Good, righteous Christians pretend all the
time.

I'm sure it's good for the insurance business.

The question of Jim's sincerity or identity is irrelevant.


In your mind, certainly.

Yes, I read the Onion and Fox News' website with exactly the same
expectations, knowing that they're both parodies with a tenuous link
to reality.

Hey, some progress!!!
 

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On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:18:37 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 02:27:13 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:26:13 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:57:49 -0700, jps
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:55:43 -0400, bpuharic

wrote:

On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 18:19:46 -0700, jps
wrote:


Maybe the world's young people are finally getting the
message.

CAPE TOWN, South Africa - South Africa's far-right leader
Eugene
Terreblanche who campaigned for a separate white homeland
was
murdered
on Saturday on his farm, the SAPA news agency reported.

he should have moved to texas. they would have made him
governor.

Too late for him now, fortunately.

The cruel irony is that Progressivism is so...malevolent.


For the uneducated and the fearful. I agree.

Your statement tends towards ambiguity. Is it that "for the
uneducated and the fearful" there is a cruel irony in
Progressivism's
malevolence, or is it that Progressivism holds its malevolence
for
the
uneducated and the fearful, or is it that for the uneducated
and
the
fearful there is a purported misconception that Progressivism
is
malevolent?

(I wonder does Progressivism stand up for the uneducated and
fearful,
and hold the same as equals in solidarity?)


You're a troll. You make sounds like you're educated, but I
suspect
it's
self-taught. Nothing wrong with that, but the pretending
otherwise
is
a
bit
deceitful. Is that clear enough?

Too, I make no pretense. My note was completely serious and
necessary.


Sure. Whatever. Best of luck to you figuring it out.

You're dishonest.


Sure. Whatever. Do you feel better now?

If you're not going to be honest in your conversation, I'll ask you
not to respond to any of my posts. Enjoy.


Whew... touch a nerve huh? Well, too bad. I think I'll respond to
whatever I
please. If you don't like it, feel free not to read them.

Clearly a Libertarian in theory rather than practice. A real
Libertarian would never attempt to control another's behavior.

There you go. You've found me out. I've adroitly manipulated Miss De
Plume such that she'll respond to my every posting, as infrequent as
they are, in order to skirt your filter. I should say that the effort
was nearly adroit, since you've uncovered my nefarious plot. Why am I
cursed with such keen opponents?


Because you're a bozo?

Insurance Jesus completely misses the point, as usual.


Yeah, but he's a great manipulator ... of what I'd prefer not to know.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Hey, some progress!!!
 

On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 21:52:27 -0500, Jim wrote:

wrote:


You don't know what you're about. My statement about Beck's treatment
of the subject was based on Jim's synopsis, giving Jim the benefit of
the doubt in the accuracy of his summary, as any 'cogent' reader could
have assessed. You need to troll elsewhere.

My synopsis was accurate.
And your judgment that deplum is trolling is also correct.
Your last sentence is opinion.
The trolls and spoofers aren't so easily stopped.
Can't even say I encourage your attempts on that score, as it is a
futile pastime, and generally just adds to the din, besides ending up
with a chinese food affliction to the mind.
But I must say that you and Canuck57 certainly raise the level of
discourse beyond that seen in the Harry and Loogy mutual butt-sniffing
dialogs, or the similar deplum/TopBass saga.
It's your call of course.

Jim - Just trying to make sense of it all myself.

The Usenet world and I know that she's trolling. I make the
occasional comment, and she makes daily sweeps through the NG taking
potshots, often desultory and incoherent, across the spectrum for who
knows what purpose. I enjoy a good debate. I don't enjoy nonsense.
It's as though its a competition for who can submit the most acerbic
nonsense between JPS, De Plume, and Harry. What's amusing in this,
though, is that they all seem to think they're the creme de la creme
of thinkers, and this in the face of the constant enfilade of informal
fallacies they employ in almost every note. Too, De Plume engaged me
in this thread and she calls me a troll? How ironic.

Hey, some progress!!!
 

On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:44:34 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:18:37 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 02:27:13 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:26:13 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:57:49 -0700, jps
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:55:43 -0400, bpuharic
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 18:19:46 -0700, jps
wrote:


Maybe the world's young people are finally getting the
message.

CAPE TOWN, South Africa - South Africa's far-right leader
Eugene
Terreblanche who campaigned for a separate white homeland was
murdered
on Saturday on his farm, the SAPA news agency reported.

he should have moved to texas. they would have made him
governor.

Too late for him now, fortunately.

The cruel irony is that Progressivism is so...malevolent.


For the uneducated and the fearful. I agree.

Your statement tends towards ambiguity. Is it that "for the
uneducated and the fearful" there is a cruel irony in
Progressivism's
malevolence, or is it that Progressivism holds its malevolence
for
the
uneducated and the fearful, or is it that for the uneducated and
the
fearful there is a purported misconception that Progressivism is
malevolent?

(I wonder does Progressivism stand up for the uneducated and
fearful,
and hold the same as equals in solidarity?)


You're a troll. You make sounds like you're educated, but I suspect
it's
self-taught. Nothing wrong with that, but the pretending otherwise
is
a
bit
deceitful. Is that clear enough?

Too, I make no pretense. My note was completely serious and
necessary.


Sure. Whatever. Best of luck to you figuring it out.

You're dishonest.


Sure. Whatever. Do you feel better now?

If you're not going to be honest in your conversation, I'll ask you
not to respond to any of my posts. Enjoy.


Whew... touch a nerve huh? Well, too bad. I think I'll respond to
whatever I
please. If you don't like it, feel free not to read them.

Clearly a Libertarian in theory rather than practice. A real
Libertarian would never attempt to control another's behavior.

There you go. You've found me out. I've adroitly manipulated Miss De
Plume such that she'll respond to my every posting, as infrequent as
they are, in order to skirt your filter. I should say that the effort
was nearly adroit, since you've uncovered my nefarious plot. Why am I
cursed with such keen opponents?


Because you're a bozo?

Insurance Jesus completely misses the point, as usual.

It appears as though JPS didn't catch my sardonic drift. But, that
happens.

Hey, some progress!!!
 

On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:51:06 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:20:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 02:25:30 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 20:46:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:28:37 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 17:54:28 -0500, Jim wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:57:49 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:55:43 -0400, bpuharic
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 18:19:46 -0700, jps
wrote:

Maybe the world's young people are finally getting the message.

CAPE TOWN, South Africa - South Africa's far-right leader Eugene
Terreblanche who campaigned for a separate white homeland was
murdered
on Saturday on his farm, the SAPA news agency reported.
he should have moved to texas. they would have made him governor.
Too late for him now, fortunately.

The cruel irony is that Progressivism is so...malevolent.

You've hit on the key that most here won't understand.
Glenn Beck has done an in-depth analysis of Progressivism.
He has laid out its evils in detail, using film, music and
the simple but effective blackboard.
Logically mapping the progress of this insanity known as
"Progressivism," he has shown it for what it it.
Evil.
Not the innocent "political movement" portrayed in "scholarly" books
and
encyclopedias.
Those depictions are done by "progressives" and are deceptive and
self-serving, which is part and parcel of progressive evil.
The hallmark characteristic of any evil is its ability to disguise
its
malevolence in the mask of benevolence and fairness.
Some of us - you, me, my sister and Glenn at minimum - can see
through
the mask.
Too bad usenet is not conducive to use of the blackboard, but alas,
it
is not. And fat chance of getting the libs to watch Glenn, a kind
and
benevolent man who has been unjustifiably pilloried by the main
stream
media in an attempt to minimize the audience he can speak the truth
to.

Jim - Glenn Beck fan.


I have no doubt that Beck has given the subject a thorough treatment.

Now that's extremely funny. And, I think you're serious.

I don't watch television, and subsequently I don't watch Beck. My
observation (and obviously you're aware of the same hypocrisy) is
based on the malicious contempt that JPS, and others who adhere to
the
Progressive ideaology, display for other human beings, especially
those that they deem to be politically opposed. As far as I'm
concerned Progressivism, as its displayed by its representatives in
this group, is to be scorned.

Then, you go on to contradict yourself... you don't watch TV/Beck, but
you
have no doubt....

You are quite the (pseudo) intellectual!

You don't know what you're about. My statement about Beck's treatment
of the subject was based on Jim's synopsis, giving Jim the benefit of
the doubt in the accuracy of his summary, as any 'cogent' reader could
have assessed. You need to troll elsewhere.


Because Jim deserves, as one can easily observe, the benefit of the
doubt.
Right. You're the troll. Or, perhaps more accurately, a shill for
Beck/Rush.

I think I'll stay right here for now.

Jesus of Insurance doesn't know that Jim isn't Jim but just a parody.
But that's plenty good enough for him, 'cause parodies fit right into
JoI's view of reality. Good, righteous Christians pretend all the
time.

I'm sure it's good for the insurance business.

The question of Jim's sincerity or identity is irrelevant.


In your mind, certainly.

Yes, I read the Onion and Fox News' website with exactly the same
expectations, knowing that they're both parodies with a tenuous link
to reality.

To the argument, not to the person.