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I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. One can have parts made in India and then contract to have them assembled somehwere else. No reason to have any US employees at all. All I need to do is collect royalties and cash checks now. This is the economy of the Obama years. No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp, pensions, etc, I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing govt paperwork. Thank You Mr Obama. Jobs? What about Jobs? Those are your problem since you voted for him. I am going sailing, thanks ofr setting me free. See, I used to think that those of us who could produce jobs were morally obligated to do so but now I have seen the light. Creating jobs has nothing to do with me and I can sleep well knowing that I am not helping any Americans find employment. Jobs are for the govt to create, not me. Time to go sailing again. |
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On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to do. Period. -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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"hk" wrote in message m... On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to do. Period. It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the "i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and accelerating for the past 15-20 years. Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow periods in order to avoid layoffs. I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when I operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had layoffs, not the small ones. Eisboch |
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On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. george bush took care of that in 2007 when he laid the groundwork for 10% unemployment as he bankrolled the rich This is the economy of the Obama years. unemployment is down 10% under obama. your delusions notwithstanding No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp, pensions, etc, I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing govt paperwork. Thank You Mr Obama. more hatred of the black president? seems you guys think he's been president for 9 years Jobs? What about Jobs? Those are your problem since you voted for him. the 165,000 created last month. those are the jobs we can do without the few you elminated because obama's created 1.5M over the last year |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
... I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. One can have parts made in India and then contract to have them assembled somehwere else. No reason to have any US employees at all. All I need to do is collect royalties and cash checks now. This is the economy of the Obama years. No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp, pensions, etc, I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing govt paperwork. Thank You Mr Obama. Jobs? What about Jobs? Those are your problem since you voted for him. I am going sailing, thanks ofr setting me free. See, I used to think that those of us who could produce jobs were morally obligated to do so but now I have seen the light. Creating jobs has nothing to do with me and I can sleep well knowing that I am not helping any Americans find employment. Jobs are for the govt to create, not me. Time to go sailing again. Yeah, you're a great American. We can tell, since you hate Obama and you're looking out for yourself and nobody else. Way to go. You really showed them. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to do. Period. It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the "i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and accelerating for the past 15-20 years. Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow periods in order to avoid layoffs. I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when I operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had layoffs, not the small ones. Eisboch Just 98.7 percent? Come on. This trend as you said has been going on a long time. It's nothing new. Times are tough. The recession is over, but job growth lags. That's typical of all recessions. But, the trend is positive, and most economists are now not predicting a double dip recession. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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Frogwatch wrote:
I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. One can have parts made in India and then contract to have them assembled somehwere else. No reason to have any US employees at all. All I need to do is collect royalties and cash checks now. This is the economy of the Obama years. No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp, pensions, etc, I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing govt paperwork. Thank You Mr Obama. Jobs? What about Jobs? Those are your problem since you voted for him. I am going sailing, thanks ofr setting me free. See, I used to think that those of us who could produce jobs were morally obligated to do so but now I have seen the light. Creating jobs has nothing to do with me and I can sleep well knowing that I am not helping any Americans find employment. Jobs are for the govt to create, not me. Time to go sailing again. Good work! Hope you made it clear to the guys you terminated that this is 'Bamas's fault, and you had no choice. We can use them in the Tea Party. Hungry men trying to feed their families make for good and righteous fighters. But I hope you get involved too, and don't cut and run from the battle. You're a good American, and the Tea Party can always use a few more good men. Easy to do your part by looking up your local recruiter, and don't forget to get your men over there too. If you just spend your time idly without getting involved in the "Struggle for America" that's not any better than being a limo liberal. You've done some good works here, but rec.boats is too small for a man of your education, entrepreneurial spirit, and vision. Jim - Proud of the "Real American Man" that Frog and I always try to be. Canuck57 too, if we can get him down here. |
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On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. One can have parts made in India and then contract to have them assembled somehwere else. No reason to have any US employees at all. All I need to do is collect royalties and cash checks now. This is the economy of the Obama years. No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp, pensions, etc, I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing govt paperwork. Thank You Mr Obama. Jobs? What about Jobs? Those are your problem since you voted for him. I am going sailing, thanks ofr setting me free. See, I used to think that those of us who could produce jobs were morally obligated to do so but now I have seen the light. Creating jobs has nothing to do with me and I can sleep well knowing that I am not helping any Americans find employment. Jobs are for the govt to create, not me. Time to go sailing again. You never had employees, how could you eliminate 'em? |
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"jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. One can have parts made in India and then contract to have them assembled somehwere else. No reason to have any US employees at all. All I need to do is collect royalties and cash checks now. This is the economy of the Obama years. No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp, pensions, etc, I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing govt paperwork. Thank You Mr Obama. Jobs? What about Jobs? Those are your problem since you voted for him. I am going sailing, thanks ofr setting me free. See, I used to think that those of us who could produce jobs were morally obligated to do so but now I have seen the light. Creating jobs has nothing to do with me and I can sleep well knowing that I am not helping any Americans find employment. Jobs are for the govt to create, not me. Time to go sailing again. You never had employees, how could you eliminate 'em? He must be talking about the army of handymen he keeps employed fixin' & replacin' stuff as it fall of his boats. |
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On 4/5/10 10:21 AM, Don White wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. One can have parts made in India and then contract to have them assembled somehwere else. No reason to have any US employees at all. All I need to do is collect royalties and cash checks now. This is the economy of the Obama years. No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp, pensions, etc, I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing govt paperwork. Thank You Mr Obama. Jobs? What about Jobs? Those are your problem since you voted for him. I am going sailing, thanks ofr setting me free. See, I used to think that those of us who could produce jobs were morally obligated to do so but now I have seen the light. Creating jobs has nothing to do with me and I can sleep well knowing that I am not helping any Americans find employment. Jobs are for the govt to create, not me. Time to go sailing again. You never had employees, how could you eliminate 'em? He must be talking about the army of handymen he keeps employed fixin'& replacin' stuff as it fall of his boats. I'll bet there is a lot of truth in that. I remember from my dad's marina the differences between two of the mechanics he employed seasonally. One was meticulous in everything. His shop area, tools, car, boat, lawn, everything, was as perfect as could be. Another was just the opposite. Somehow they were both good mechanics, and they got along well, but they were like ying and yang. The neat guy's real job was as a senior VP for a major truck building company, and the other guy was a lead tech at Sikorsky. Weird. I imagine Froggy's shop is the same sort of disaster as his boat, his yard, his cars...a real mess. -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 21:14:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: Just 98.7 percent? Come on. This trend as you said has been going on a long time. It's nothing new. Times are tough. The recession is over, but job growth lags. That's typical of all recessions. But, the trend is positive, and most economists are now not predicting a double dip recession. So tell us Ms. D'Plume, exactly how many companies you have started and managed that actually had employees on a payroll other than yourself? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect zero is the right number. Richard and David on the other hand have actually been there and done that. I'd listen a litttle more closely if I were you before dismissing them with some sort of knee jerk ideological reaction. |
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On Apr 5, 10:29*am, hk wrote:
On 4/5/10 10:21 AM, Don White wrote: *wrote in message .. . On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch *wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. *It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. *One can have parts made in India and then contract to have them assembled somehwere else. *No reason to have any US employees at all. *All I need to do is collect royalties and cash checks now. *This is the economy of the Obama years. No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp, pensions, etc, *I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing govt paperwork. *Thank You Mr Obama. Jobs? *What about Jobs? *Those are your problem since you voted for him. *I am going sailing, thanks ofr setting me free. See, I used to think that those of us who could produce jobs were morally obligated to do so but now I have seen the light. *Creating jobs has nothing to do with me and I can sleep well knowing that I am not helping any Americans find employment. *Jobs are for the govt to create, not me. Time to go sailing again. You never had employees, how could you eliminate 'em? He must be talking about the army of handymen he keeps employed fixin'& replacin' stuff as it fall of his boats. I'll bet there is a lot of truth in that. I remember from my dad's marina the differences between two of the mechanics he employed seasonally. One was meticulous in everything. His shop area, tools, car, boat, lawn, everything, was as perfect as could be. Another was just the opposite. Somehow they were both good mechanics, and they got along well, but they were like ying and yang. The neat guy's real job was as a senior VP for a major truck building company, and the other guy was a lead tech at Sikorsky. Weird. I imagine Froggy's shop is the same sort of disaster as his boat, his yard, his cars...a real mess. --http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Harry, after all of the lies you've told here do you think anyone besides Don believes a thing you say? Oh, and did you mean "yin" Mr. bigtime writer? |
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On 4/5/10 12:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 21:14:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Just 98.7 percent? Come on. This trend as you said has been going on a long time. It's nothing new. Times are tough. The recession is over, but job growth lags. That's typical of all recessions. But, the trend is positive, and most economists are now not predicting a double dip recession. So tell us Ms. D'Plume, exactly how many companies you have started and managed that actually had employees on a payroll other than yourself? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect zero is the right number. Richard and David on the other hand have actually been there and done that. I'd listen a litttle more closely if I were you before dismissing them with some sort of knee jerk ideological reaction. David? You mean Froggy? Froggy is nuts. He is about as disconnected from reality as, say, those who believe Sarah Palin was a good mother. Sheesh. And Richard's experience about running a business with many employees is out of date. The trend is positive, and that is going to hurt your party. After all, if it is good for America, it is bad for Republicans, eh? -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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On 04/04/2010 7:30 PM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message m... On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to do. Period. It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the "i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and accelerating for the past 15-20 years. Yes, but unproductive changes. Not much positive for the little businesses, just payroll complexity costs lowering wages that can be paid. Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow periods in order to avoid layoffs. Yes, especially the good ones. You will willingly and knownly take some loses to retain them. But it only works to a point. Slap another $2000+++ a year in what ammounts to employment taxes, employees already ticked because their costs are going up, no wiggle room in the budget, easier just to let go. I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when I operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had layoffs, not the small ones. The old way. It as good while it lasted. But that existed because of the lower complexities of starting a business back then. Even cities are getting all horned up on license/taxes. Saw one small business guy get a $600 fine as one of his didn't have a city license even though his business did. Stupid as all they were doing was cutting hair. Maybe someday someone in governemnt will come up with the brilliant idea that all this non-value added BS is killing innovation, killing small business and just screwing people out of wealth. Government hasn't realized a wealthy middle class is more taxes, the only way out. Can't fix the middle class and small businesses, you might as well toss in the towel. -- Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 21:14:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Just 98.7 percent? Come on. This trend as you said has been going on a long time. It's nothing new. Times are tough. The recession is over, but job growth lags. That's typical of all recessions. But, the trend is positive, and most economists are now not predicting a double dip recession. So tell us Ms. D'Plume, exactly how many companies you have started and managed that actually had employees on a payroll other than yourself? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect zero is the right number. Richard and David on the other hand have actually been there and done that. I'd listen a litttle more closely if I were you before dismissing them with some sort of knee jerk ideological reaction. Yes, you'd be wrong. I currently have employees. They get health ins. also. Bummer... sorry to disappoint. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"jps" wrote in message
... On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. One can have parts made in India and then contract to have them assembled somehwere else. No reason to have any US employees at all. All I need to do is collect royalties and cash checks now. This is the economy of the Obama years. No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp, pensions, etc, I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing govt paperwork. Thank You Mr Obama. Jobs? What about Jobs? Those are your problem since you voted for him. I am going sailing, thanks ofr setting me free. See, I used to think that those of us who could produce jobs were morally obligated to do so but now I have seen the light. Creating jobs has nothing to do with me and I can sleep well knowing that I am not helping any Americans find employment. Jobs are for the govt to create, not me. Time to go sailing again. You never had employees, how could you eliminate 'em? It's a mental thing.. I think. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 04/04/2010 10:14 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... wrote in message m... On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to do. Period. It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the "i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and accelerating for the past 15-20 years. Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow periods in order to avoid layoffs. I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when I operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had layoffs, not the small ones. Eisboch Just 98.7 percent? Come on. This trend as you said has been going on a long time. It's nothing new. Times are tough. The recession is over, but job growth lags. That's typical of all recessions. But, the trend is positive, and most economists are now not predicting a double dip recession. While I agree it is typical for employment to lag a GDP based recovery, it never has had this long and the spread. Certainly not in 1982 it didn't. Much of it is inflation. Just hasn't fully hit retail yet. And without the jobs, and I mean real jobs not just minimum wage part time stuff, the recovery will stall and inflation will take like the 70's all over again. I see the USD dropped again today. -- Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money. |
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On 04/04/2010 7:58 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. george bush took care of that in 2007 when he laid the groundwork for 10% unemployment as he bankrolled the rich This is the economy of the Obama years. unemployment is down 10% under obama. your delusions notwithstanding No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp, pensions, etc, I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing govt paperwork. Thank You Mr Obama. more hatred of the black president? seems you guys think he's been president for 9 years Jobs? What about Jobs? Those are your problem since you voted for him. the 165,000 created last month. those are the jobs we can do without the few you elminated because obama's created 1.5M over the last year I will say you are an optimist, but the sad fact is this month numbers were neutral. So what if you create 165,000 low wage part time jobs to replace the 165,000 lost better jobs? Doubtful the governemtn would not want to quote a real number like net national wages for the month. -- Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money. |
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On Apr 5, 1:47*pm, Canuck57 wrote:
On 04/04/2010 7:30 PM, Eisboch wrote: *wrote in message om... On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. *It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to do. Period. It's not 100 percent Obama. *His policies are simply starting to dot the "i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and accelerating for the past 15-20 years. Yes, but unproductive changes. *Not much positive for the little businesses, just payroll complexity costs lowering wages that can be paid.. Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow periods in order to avoid layoffs. Yes, especially the good ones. *You will willingly and knownly take some loses to retain them. *But it only works to a point. *Slap another $2000+++ a year in what ammounts to employment taxes, employees already ticked because their costs are going up, no wiggle room in the budget, easier just to let go. I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when I operated a company on my own. * Large businesses typically had layoffs, not the small ones. The old way. *It as good while it lasted. *But that existed because of the lower complexities of starting a business back then. *Even cities are getting all horned up on license/taxes. *Saw one small business guy get a $600 fine as one of his didn't have a city license even though his business did. *Stupid as all they were doing was cutting hair. Maybe someday someone in governemnt will come up with the brilliant idea that all this non-value added BS is killing innovation, killing small business and just screwing people out of wealth. Government hasn't realized a wealthy middle class is more taxes, the only way out. *Can't fix the middle class and small businesses, you might as well toss in the towel. -- Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money. It is not yet the level of taxation to which I object, it is the simple fact that I spend so much time dealing with govt crap in relation to employees. The paperwork is bizarro and costs me huge amounts of time. Independent contractors cost far less time. I can actually make more net money and have fewer dealings with the govt simply by working this way. Why get stressed out over govt paperwork when I can simply hand the independents a 1099 form and be done with it. You guys who voted for this can make jobs (Fat chance) and I will simply collect royalties and license fees. I used to feel good about providing high paying high tech jobs in a place where such do not normally exist but by making the paperwork and penalties for messing up the paperwork so high you have taken all incentive out of job creation. I no longer feel the slightest interest in creating jobs for others, been there, done that and was punished for it. |
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On 4/5/10 1:55 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 5, 1:47 pm, wrote: On 04/04/2010 7:30 PM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to do. Period. It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the "i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and accelerating for the past 15-20 years. Yes, but unproductive changes. Not much positive for the little businesses, just payroll complexity costs lowering wages that can be paid. Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow periods in order to avoid layoffs. Yes, especially the good ones. You will willingly and knownly take some loses to retain them. But it only works to a point. Slap another $2000+++ a year in what ammounts to employment taxes, employees already ticked because their costs are going up, no wiggle room in the budget, easier just to let go. I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when I operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had layoffs, not the small ones. The old way. It as good while it lasted. But that existed because of the lower complexities of starting a business back then. Even cities are getting all horned up on license/taxes. Saw one small business guy get a $600 fine as one of his didn't have a city license even though his business did. Stupid as all they were doing was cutting hair. Maybe someday someone in governemnt will come up with the brilliant idea that all this non-value added BS is killing innovation, killing small business and just screwing people out of wealth. Government hasn't realized a wealthy middle class is more taxes, the only way out. Can't fix the middle class and small businesses, you might as well toss in the towel. -- Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money. It is not yet the level of taxation to which I object, it is the simple fact that I spend so much time dealing with govt crap in relation to employees. The paperwork is bizarro and costs me huge amounts of time. Independent contractors cost far less time. I can actually make more net money and have fewer dealings with the govt simply by working this way. Why get stressed out over govt paperwork when I can simply hand the independents a 1099 form and be done with it. You guys who voted for this can make jobs (Fat chance) and I will simply collect royalties and license fees. I used to feel good about providing high paying high tech jobs in a place where such do not normally exist but by making the paperwork and penalties for messing up the paperwork so high you have taken all incentive out of job creation. I no longer feel the slightest interest in creating jobs for others, been there, done that and was punished for it. So, you are unable to bring in new contracts, and this is how you are rationalizing it, eh? snerk -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 04/04/2010 10:14 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... wrote in message m... On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to do. Period. It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the "i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and accelerating for the past 15-20 years. Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow periods in order to avoid layoffs. I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when I operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had layoffs, not the small ones. Eisboch Just 98.7 percent? Come on. This trend as you said has been going on a long time. It's nothing new. Times are tough. The recession is over, but job growth lags. That's typical of all recessions. But, the trend is positive, and most economists are now not predicting a double dip recession. While I agree it is typical for employment to lag a GDP based recovery, it never has had this long and the spread. Certainly not in 1982 it didn't. Thanks GWB! Rock on. Much of it is inflation. Just hasn't fully hit retail yet. And without the jobs, and I mean real jobs not just minimum wage part time stuff, the recovery will stall and inflation will take like the 70's all over again. There's very little inflation. That's just your ignorant rant. The Fed's primary job (has been for a long time) is to keep that under control. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 04/04/2010 7:30 PM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to do. Period. It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the "i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and accelerating for the past 15-20 years. Yes, but unproductive changes. Not much positive for the little businesses, just payroll complexity costs lowering wages that can be paid. Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow periods in order to avoid layoffs. Yes, especially the good ones. You will willingly and knownly take some loses to retain them. But it only works to a point. Slap another $2000+++ a year in what ammounts to employment taxes, employees already ticked because their costs are going up, no wiggle room in the budget, easier just to let go. I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when I operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had layoffs, not the small ones. The old way. It as good while it lasted. But that existed because of the lower complexities of starting a business back then. Even cities are getting all horned up on license/taxes. Saw one small business guy get a $600 fine as one of his didn't have a city license even though his business did. Stupid as all they were doing was cutting hair. Maybe someday someone in governemnt will come up with the brilliant idea that all this non-value added BS is killing innovation, killing small business and just screwing people out of wealth. Government hasn't realized a wealthy middle class is more taxes, the only way out. Can't fix the middle class and small businesses, you might as well toss in the towel. -- Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money. Yes, you're an idiot. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
... On Apr 5, 1:47 pm, Canuck57 wrote: On 04/04/2010 7:30 PM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message om... On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to do. Period. It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the "i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and accelerating for the past 15-20 years. Yes, but unproductive changes. Not much positive for the little businesses, just payroll complexity costs lowering wages that can be paid. Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow periods in order to avoid layoffs. Yes, especially the good ones. You will willingly and knownly take some loses to retain them. But it only works to a point. Slap another $2000+++ a year in what ammounts to employment taxes, employees already ticked because their costs are going up, no wiggle room in the budget, easier just to let go. I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when I operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had layoffs, not the small ones. The old way. It as good while it lasted. But that existed because of the lower complexities of starting a business back then. Even cities are getting all horned up on license/taxes. Saw one small business guy get a $600 fine as one of his didn't have a city license even though his business did. Stupid as all they were doing was cutting hair. Maybe someday someone in governemnt will come up with the brilliant idea that all this non-value added BS is killing innovation, killing small business and just screwing people out of wealth. Government hasn't realized a wealthy middle class is more taxes, the only way out. Can't fix the middle class and small businesses, you might as well toss in the towel. -- Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money. It is not yet the level of taxation to which I object, it is the simple fact that I spend so much time dealing with govt crap in relation to employees. The paperwork is bizarro and costs me huge amounts of time. Independent contractors cost far less time. I can actually make more net money and have fewer dealings with the govt simply by working this way. Why get stressed out over govt paperwork when I can simply hand the independents a 1099 form and be done with it. You guys who voted for this can make jobs (Fat chance) and I will simply collect royalties and license fees. I used to feel good about providing high paying high tech jobs in a place where such do not normally exist but by making the paperwork and penalties for messing up the paperwork so high you have taken all incentive out of job creation. I no longer feel the slightest interest in creating jobs for others, been there, done that and was punished for it. Reply: Sounds like your business is having problems. Too bad. sorry for your trouble. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 04/04/2010 7:11 PM, hk wrote: On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to do. Period. I am almost certain if he had profitable work for them to do he would have kept them. True good capitalists are not masocists, just rational types seeing opportunities. If they are not there, why waste the money? After all, if wasting the money is the game, government should buy him out. Or the employees could buy him out. Didn't see UAW/CAW/GMers take out a $50 or $60,000 to save their company. They could have. -- Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money. You're almost certain, I'm betting, that Obama was born in Kenya or was it Australia? -- Nom=de=Plume |
New economic model
"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 04/04/2010 7:58 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. george bush took care of that in 2007 when he laid the groundwork for 10% unemployment as he bankrolled the rich This is the economy of the Obama years. unemployment is down 10% under obama. your delusions notwithstanding No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp, pensions, etc, I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing govt paperwork. Thank You Mr Obama. more hatred of the black president? seems you guys think he's been president for 9 years Jobs? What about Jobs? Those are your problem since you voted for him. the 165,000 created last month. those are the jobs we can do without the few you elminated because obama's created 1.5M over the last year I will say you are an optimist, but the sad fact is this month numbers were neutral. So what if you create 165,000 low wage part time jobs to replace the 165,000 lost better jobs? Doubtful the governemtn would not want to quote a real number like net national wages for the month. -- Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money. Neutral? Oh, I thought you said you were neutered. My mistake. Compare job growth/loss to GWB's stunning work. -- Nom=de=Plume |
New economic model
"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 04/04/2010 7:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. One can have parts made in India and then contract to have them assembled somehwere else. No reason to have any US employees at all. All I need to do is collect royalties and cash checks now. This is the economy of the Obama years. I hope you let them know why? I say this as they are voters and perhaps some will smarten up. No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp, pensions, etc, I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing govt paperwork. Thank You Mr Obama. Yep, just the aggrivation of that paperwork. No simplicity any more, just complex non-value added liberal BS and statism. Jobs? What about Jobs? Those are your problem since you voted for him. I am going sailing, thanks ofr setting me free. I am about 18 months away from doing just that too. Jobs, that is Obama's problem now, he said so. Why fight it? See, I used to think that those of us who could produce jobs were morally obligated to do so but now I have seen the light. Creating jobs has nothing to do with me and I can sleep well knowing that I am not helping any Americans find employment. Jobs are for the govt to create, not me. That is the old way. Today it can get you sued, branded, belittled and abused. You almost have to be government just to do the paperwork. If you or they need a job, apply to marxist central, #1 Obama Way, Bankrupt USA. Time to go sailing again. Yep. Better to enjoy life, you deserve it. Let the socialists learn the hard way, to repect each others hard work and efforts or get off their arses and make their own jobs. Sad to say, but for many a losers out there, the hard knocks are needed to reach their brains. Not our responsibility. Obama said so. -- Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money. Yes, you're not too bright. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. george bush took care of that in 2007 when he laid the groundwork for 10% unemployment as he bankrolled the rich This is the economy of the Obama years. unemployment is down 10% under obama. your delusions notwithstanding No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp, pensions, etc, I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing govt paperwork. Thank You Mr Obama. more hatred of the black president? seems you guys think he's been president for 9 years Jobs? What about Jobs? Those are your problem since you voted for him. the 165,000 created last month. those are the jobs we can do without the few you elminated because obama's created 1.5M over the last year Where do you get your news? There isn't a single fact here. Start with job "creation". That's my favorite! |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 11:51:32 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: While I agree it is typical for employment to lag a GDP based recovery, it never has had this long and the spread. Certainly not in 1982 it didn't. really? got proof? and this bush-caused depression is much deeper than others Much of it is inflation. Just hasn't fully hit retail yet. And without the jobs, and I mean real jobs not just minimum wage part time stuff, the recovery will stall and inflation will take like the 70's all over again. really? inflation was 2% last year I see the USD dropped again today. it's called 'fluctuation' |
New economic model
On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 11:55:10 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 04/04/2010 7:58 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch we can do without the few you elminated because obama's created 1.5M over the last year I will say you are an optimist, but the sad fact is this month numbers were neutral. So what if you create 165,000 low wage part time jobs to replace the 165,000 lost better jobs? i'm not the optimist; economists are, including those at the AEI. hardly a liberal think tank and a job is better than welfare |
New economic model
On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 11:38:24 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 04/04/2010 7:11 PM, hk wrote: On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote: I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so great so you just outsource everything. You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to do. Period. I am almost certain if he had profitable work for them to do he would have kept them. True good capitalists are not masocists, just rational types seeing opportunities. which is bull**** that not even greenspan believes. capitalists are greedy. they need to be regulated. i have nothing against greed but i have a problem with capitalists telling me their greed is in my best interests, when they come to me to pay for their **** ups |
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