"hk" wrote in message
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On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them
when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so
great so you just outsource everything.


You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to
do. Period.



It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the
"i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and
accelerating for the past 15-20 years.

Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow periods
in order to avoid layoffs.
I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when I
operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had layoffs, not
the small ones.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"hk" wrote in message
m...
On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them
when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so
great so you just outsource everything.


You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to
do. Period.



It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the
"i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and
accelerating for the past 15-20 years.

Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow
periods in order to avoid layoffs.
I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when
I operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had layoffs,
not the small ones.

Eisboch

Just 98.7 percent? Come on. This trend as you said has been going on a long
time. It's nothing new. Times are tough. The recession is over, but job
growth lags. That's typical of all recessions. But, the trend is positive,
and most economists are now not predicting a double dip recession.

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Nom=de=Plume

On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 21:14:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Just 98.7 percent? Come on. This trend as you said has been going on a long
time. It's nothing new. Times are tough. The recession is over, but job
growth lags. That's typical of all recessions. But, the trend is positive,
and most economists are now not predicting a double dip recession.

So tell us Ms. D'Plume, exactly how many companies you have started
and managed that actually had employees on a payroll other than
yourself? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect zero is the right
number.

Richard and David on the other hand have actually been there and done
that. I'd listen a litttle more closely if I were you before
dismissing them with some sort of knee jerk ideological reaction.

On 4/5/10 12:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 21:14:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Just 98.7 percent? Come on. This trend as you said has been going on a long
time. It's nothing new. Times are tough. The recession is over, but job
growth lags. That's typical of all recessions. But, the trend is positive,
and most economists are now not predicting a double dip recession.

So tell us Ms. D'Plume, exactly how many companies you have started
and managed that actually had employees on a payroll other than
yourself? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect zero is the right
number.

Richard and David on the other hand have actually been there and done
that. I'd listen a litttle more closely if I were you before
dismissing them with some sort of knee jerk ideological reaction.


David? You mean Froggy? Froggy is nuts. He is about as disconnected from
reality as, say, those who believe Sarah Palin was a good mother.

Sheesh.

And Richard's experience about running a business with many employees is
out of date.

The trend is positive, and that is going to hurt your party. After all,
if it is good for America, it is bad for Republicans, eh?


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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 21:14:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Just 98.7 percent? Come on. This trend as you said has been going on a
long
time. It's nothing new. Times are tough. The recession is over, but job
growth lags. That's typical of all recessions. But, the trend is positive,
and most economists are now not predicting a double dip recession.

So tell us Ms. D'Plume, exactly how many companies you have started
and managed that actually had employees on a payroll other than
yourself? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect zero is the right
number.

Richard and David on the other hand have actually been there and done
that. I'd listen a litttle more closely if I were you before
dismissing them with some sort of knee jerk ideological reaction.


Yes, you'd be wrong. I currently have employees. They get health ins. also.
Bummer... sorry to disappoint.

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Nom=de=Plume

On 04/04/2010 10:14 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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wrote in message
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On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them
when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so
great so you just outsource everything.


You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to
do. Period.



It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the
"i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and
accelerating for the past 15-20 years.

Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow
periods in order to avoid layoffs.
I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when
I operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had layoffs,
not the small ones.

Eisboch

Just 98.7 percent? Come on. This trend as you said has been going on a long
time. It's nothing new. Times are tough. The recession is over, but job
growth lags. That's typical of all recessions. But, the trend is positive,
and most economists are now not predicting a double dip recession.

While I agree it is typical for employment to lag a GDP based recovery,
it never has had this long and the spread. Certainly not in 1982 it didn't.

Much of it is inflation. Just hasn't fully hit retail yet. And without
the jobs, and I mean real jobs not just minimum wage part time stuff,
the recovery will stall and inflation will take like the 70's all over
again.

I see the USD dropped again today.

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Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 04/04/2010 10:14 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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wrote in message
m...
On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them
when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so
great so you just outsource everything.


You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to
do. Period.



It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the
"i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and
accelerating for the past 15-20 years.

Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow
periods in order to avoid layoffs.
I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same
when
I operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had
layoffs,
not the small ones.

Eisboch

Just 98.7 percent? Come on. This trend as you said has been going on a
long
time. It's nothing new. Times are tough. The recession is over, but job
growth lags. That's typical of all recessions. But, the trend is
positive,
and most economists are now not predicting a double dip recession.

While I agree it is typical for employment to lag a GDP based recovery, it
never has had this long and the spread. Certainly not in 1982 it didn't.

Thanks GWB! Rock on.


Much of it is inflation. Just hasn't fully hit retail yet. And without
the jobs, and I mean real jobs not just minimum wage part time stuff, the
recovery will stall and inflation will take like the 70's all over again.

There's very little inflation. That's just your ignorant rant. The Fed's
primary job (has been for a long time) is to keep that under control.

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Nom=de=Plume

On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 11:51:32 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:



While I agree it is typical for employment to lag a GDP based recovery,
it never has had this long and the spread. Certainly not in 1982 it didn't.

really? got proof? and this bush-caused depression is much deeper than
others


Much of it is inflation. Just hasn't fully hit retail yet. And without
the jobs, and I mean real jobs not just minimum wage part time stuff,
the recovery will stall and inflation will take like the 70's all over
again.

really? inflation was 2% last year



I see the USD dropped again today.

it's called 'fluctuation'

On 04/04/2010 7:30 PM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
m...
On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them
when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so
great so you just outsource everything.


You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to
do. Period.



It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the
"i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and
accelerating for the past 15-20 years.

Yes, but unproductive changes. Not much positive for the little
businesses, just payroll complexity costs lowering wages that can be paid.

Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow periods
in order to avoid layoffs.

Yes, especially the good ones. You will willingly and knownly take some
loses to retain them. But it only works to a point. Slap another
$2000+++ a year in what ammounts to employment taxes, employees already
ticked because their costs are going up, no wiggle room in the budget,
easier just to let go.

I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when I
operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had layoffs, not
the small ones.

The old way. It as good while it lasted. But that existed because of
the lower complexities of starting a business back then. Even cities
are getting all horned up on license/taxes. Saw one small business guy
get a $600 fine as one of his didn't have a city license even though his
business did. Stupid as all they were doing was cutting hair.

Maybe someday someone in governemnt will come up with the brilliant idea
that all this non-value added BS is killing innovation, killing small
business and just screwing people out of wealth.

Government hasn't realized a wealthy middle class is more taxes, the
only way out. Can't fix the middle class and small businesses, you
might as well toss in the towel.

--
Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.

On Apr 5, 1:47*pm, Canuck57 wrote:
On 04/04/2010 7:30 PM, Eisboch wrote:



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On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. *It simply is no longer worth having them
when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so
great so you just outsource everything.

You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to
do. Period.

It's not 100 percent Obama. *His policies are simply starting to dot the
"i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and
accelerating for the past 15-20 years.

Yes, but unproductive changes. *Not much positive for the little
businesses, just payroll complexity costs lowering wages that can be paid..

Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow periods
in order to avoid layoffs.

Yes, especially the good ones. *You will willingly and knownly take some
loses to retain them. *But it only works to a point. *Slap another
$2000+++ a year in what ammounts to employment taxes, employees already
ticked because their costs are going up, no wiggle room in the budget,
easier just to let go.

I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when I
operated a company on my own. * Large businesses typically had layoffs, not
the small ones.

The old way. *It as good while it lasted. *But that existed because of
the lower complexities of starting a business back then. *Even cities
are getting all horned up on license/taxes. *Saw one small business guy
get a $600 fine as one of his didn't have a city license even though his
business did. *Stupid as all they were doing was cutting hair.

Maybe someday someone in governemnt will come up with the brilliant idea
that all this non-value added BS is killing innovation, killing small
business and just screwing people out of wealth.

Government hasn't realized a wealthy middle class is more taxes, the
only way out. *Can't fix the middle class and small businesses, you
might as well toss in the towel.

--
Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.

It is not yet the level of taxation to which I object, it is the
simple fact that I spend so much time dealing with govt crap in
relation to employees. The paperwork is bizarro and costs me huge
amounts of time. Independent contractors cost far less time. I can
actually make more net money and have fewer dealings with the govt
simply by working this way. Why get stressed out over govt paperwork
when I can simply hand the independents a 1099 form and be done with
it. You guys who voted for this can make jobs (Fat chance) and I will
simply collect royalties and license fees.
I used to feel good about providing high paying high tech jobs in a
place where such do not normally exist but by making the paperwork and
penalties for messing up the paperwork so high you have taken all
incentive out of job creation. I no longer feel the slightest
interest in creating jobs for others, been there, done that and was
punished for it.