Obama expands and opens offshore drilling
 

In a RESPONSIBLE manner, no less. Wonder how the right's going to say
this is a bad thing?

Obama expands and opens offshore drilling
 

In article 69d9ee23-0a10-4147-97fc-
,
says...

In a RESPONSIBLE manner, no less. Wonder how the right's going to say
this is a bad thing?

In a RESPONSIBLE manner, ask a question that is relevant to today's
announcement. Obama did not open offshore drilling, he re-opened
exploration. Try again, when you have read further than the MSNBC false
headlines... snerk

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v

Obama expands and opens offshore drilling
 

On Mar 31, 1:54*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 69d9ee23-0a10-4147-97fc-
,
says...



In a RESPONSIBLE manner, no less. Wonder how the right's going to say
this is a bad thing?

In a RESPONSIBLE manner, ask a question that is relevant to today's
announcement. Obama did not open offshore drilling, he re-opened
exploration. Try again, when you have read further than the MSNBC false
headlines... snerk

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v

Gee, whatcha know, I was correct about how the right will say it's a
bad thing. Now, facts are facts. Obama has opened offshore drilling in
areas thus far not opened. But, alas, what you are saying is just not
factual.

"By opening parts of the Atlantic and the Gulf of Mexico to oil
drilling, the Obama administration wants to tap a huge energy resource
that could keep fuel costs in check.

Reversing a ban on oil drilling off most U.S. shores, President Barack
Obama on Wednesday, March 31, 2010, announced an expansive new policy
that could put new oil and natural gas platforms in waters along the
southern Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico and part of
Alaska.(AP Photo/Mary Altaffer, file)
(AP)But don't expect gasoline pump prices to fall anytime soon because
of the new drilling.

The offshore areas are located along relatively pristine parts of the
U.S. Outer Continental Shelf, a new frontier for oil companies. It
could take years before drillers will know how much oil can be pumped
from these areas, and when.

A report by the federal Minerals Management Service noted that most of
the seismic data used to evaluate oil and natural gas resources there
are more than 25 years old. So the information "may not be adequate"
to build maps or develop leases for drilling operations.

—Where will companies be allowed to drill?

President Obama said Wednesday he'll push for opening offshore areas
in the Gulf of Mexico and off the mid and southern Atlantic coast. Oil
and gas resources would be developed about 50 miles off the Virginia
coast and more than 125 miles from Florida's coast in the eastern Gulf
of Mexico. The government also will allow oil exploration in the
Arctic Ocean. The President doesn't support drilling at Bristol Bay in
Alaska because of environmental concerns. He said proposed leases in
that area would be canceled."

Notice "reversing a ban on offshore DRILLING"....

Obama expands and opens offshore drilling
 

Loogypicker wrote:
In a RESPONSIBLE manner, no less. Wonder how the right's going to say
this is a bad thing?
It won't impact the price of fuel to Americans!
There is already a glut, of supply, of Oil.
Commodities Speculators operate outside our or anyone else's laws.
They are rigging the market. Oil Companies are in concert. They are
cutting production, to ensure higher prices.
Anti Trust Laws are ignored because Big Oil has money and spends it on
Legislators.
We get lip service and feigned attacks on price gouging and market rigging.
There is no American Oil Companies. They will take our Oil Resource and
add it to their Global stores. American Production or Resource does not
exist.
London and OPEC and the rest, of the Global Oil Cabal, will use us just
like England used as a colony before the Revolution. Take our Resource
and sell it back to us at artificial and inflated prices.

Obama expands and opens offshore drilling
 

Well, what do you really expect?? We have a black president. That scares
some people. Worse yet, he actually has a brain and uses it.

"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Mar 31, 1:54 pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 69d9ee23-0a10-4147-97fc-
,
says...



In a RESPONSIBLE manner, no less. Wonder how the right's going to say
this is a bad thing?

In a RESPONSIBLE manner, ask a question that is relevant to today's
announcement. Obama did not open offshore drilling, he re-opened
exploration. Try again, when you have read further than the MSNBC false
headlines... snerk

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v

Gee, whatcha know, I was correct about how the right will say it's a
bad thing. Now, facts are facts. Obama has opened offshore drilling in
areas thus far not opened. But, alas, what you are saying is just not
factual.

"By opening parts of the Atlantic and the Gulf of Mexico to oil
drilling, the Obama administration wants to tap a huge energy resource
that could keep fuel costs in check.

Reversing a ban on oil drilling off most U.S. shores, President Barack
Obama on Wednesday, March 31, 2010, announced an expansive new policy
that could put new oil and natural gas platforms in waters along the
southern Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico and part of
Alaska.(AP Photo/Mary Altaffer, file)
(AP)But don't expect gasoline pump prices to fall anytime soon because
of the new drilling.

The offshore areas are located along relatively pristine parts of the
U.S. Outer Continental Shelf, a new frontier for oil companies. It
could take years before drillers will know how much oil can be pumped
from these areas, and when.

A report by the federal Minerals Management Service noted that most of
the seismic data used to evaluate oil and natural gas resources there
are more than 25 years old. So the information "may not be adequate"
to build maps or develop leases for drilling operations.

—Where will companies be allowed to drill?

President Obama said Wednesday he'll push for opening offshore areas
in the Gulf of Mexico and off the mid and southern Atlantic coast. Oil
and gas resources would be developed about 50 miles off the Virginia
coast and more than 125 miles from Florida's coast in the eastern Gulf
of Mexico. The government also will allow oil exploration in the
Arctic Ocean. The President doesn't support drilling at Bristol Bay in
Alaska because of environmental concerns. He said proposed leases in
that area would be canceled."

Notice "reversing a ban on offshore DRILLING"....



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Nom=de=Plume

Obama expands and opens offshore drilling
 

In article 4342a464-8e1c-44e6-9a55-a4f0d4270166@
15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com, says...

On Mar 31, 1:54*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 69d9ee23-0a10-4147-97fc-
,
says...



In a RESPONSIBLE manner, no less. Wonder how the right's going to say
this is a bad thing?

In a RESPONSIBLE manner, ask a question that is relevant to today's
announcement. Obama did not open offshore drilling, he re-opened
exploration. Try again, when you have read further than the MSNBC false
headlines... snerk

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v

Gee, whatcha know, I was correct about how the right will say it's a
bad thing. Now, facts are facts. Obama has opened offshore drilling in
areas thus far not opened. But, alas, what you are saying is just not
factual.

You lie! I never even adressed the ****ing issue, just the question. Get
a clue man...


"By opening parts of the Atlantic and the Gulf of Mexico to oil
drilling, the Obama administration wants to tap a huge energy resource
that could keep fuel costs in check.

"Wants (wants) to tap"


Reversing a ban on oil drilling off most U.S. shores, President Barack
Obama on Wednesday, March 31, 2010, announced an expansive new policy
that could put new oil and natural gas platforms in waters along the
southern Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico and part of
Alaska.(AP Photo/Mary Altaffer, file)
(AP)But don't expect gasoline pump prices to fall anytime soon because
of the new drilling.

"could (could) put new oil and natural gas platforms"


The offshore areas are located along relatively pristine parts of the
U.S. Outer Continental Shelf, a new frontier for oil companies. It
could take years before drillers will know how much oil can be pumped
from these areas, and when.

If there indeed is useable oil.


A report by the federal Minerals Management Service noted that most of
the seismic data used to evaluate oil and natural gas resources there
are more than 25 years old. So the information "may not be adequate"
to build maps or develop leases for drilling operations.

So, we are going exploring again, just like I said.


?Where will companies be allowed to drill?

President Obama said Wednesday he'll push for opening offshore areas
in the Gulf of Mexico and off the mid and southern Atlantic coast. Oil
and gas resources would be developed about 50 miles off the Virginia
coast and more than 125 miles from Florida's coast in the eastern Gulf
of Mexico. The government also will allow oil exploration in the
Arctic Ocean. The President doesn't support drilling at Bristol Bay in
Alaska because of environmental concerns. He said proposed leases in
that area would be canceled."

Notice "reversing a ban on offshore DRILLING"....

There are places that have been mapped and are ready to drill now if he
really wanted to "Open off shore drilling" as you stated in your
erronous initial question.

So, anyway, I didn't say anything bad at all about it, so again, you
lied about someone to the right of you.

Scotty



--
For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v

Obama expands and opens offshore drilling
 

On Mar 31, 2:52*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 4342a464-8e1c-44e6-9a55-a4f0d4270166@
15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com, says...







On Mar 31, 1:54*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 69d9ee23-0a10-4147-97fc-
,
says...

In a RESPONSIBLE manner, no less. Wonder how the right's going to say
this is a bad thing?

In a RESPONSIBLE manner, ask a question that is relevant to today's
announcement. Obama did not open offshore drilling, he re-opened
exploration. Try again, when you have read further than the MSNBC false
headlines... snerk

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v

Gee, whatcha know, I was correct about how the right will say it's a
bad thing. Now, facts are facts. Obama has opened offshore drilling in
areas thus far not opened. But, alas, what you are saying is just not
factual.

You lie! I never even adressed the ****ing issue, just the question. Get
a clue man...


Uh, no, I didn't lie. YOU said that Obama opened up "exploration".
That's false. He opened up DRILLING.


"By opening parts of the Atlantic and the Gulf of Mexico to oil
drilling, the Obama administration wants to tap a huge energy resource
that could keep fuel costs in check.

"Wants (wants) to tap"

What's wrong with that???? It's up to private concerns whether or not
it's profitable to do.



Reversing a ban on oil drilling off most U.S. shores, President Barack
Obama on Wednesday, March 31, 2010, announced an expansive new policy
that could put new oil and natural gas platforms in waters along the
southern Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico and part of
Alaska.(AP Photo/Mary Altaffer, file)
(AP)But don't expect gasoline pump prices to fall anytime soon because
of the new drilling.

"could (could) put new oil and natural gas platforms"

What's wrong with that??? It's up to private concerns whether or not
it's profitable. Fact remains, Obama is giving them the opportunity.
This is what the right has been wanting for a LONG time, now it's bad
somehow. Un****ing believable!



The offshore areas are located along relatively pristine parts of the
U.S. Outer Continental Shelf, a new frontier for oil companies. It
could take years before drillers will know how much oil can be pumped
from these areas, and when.

If there indeed is useable oil.

It'll be Obama fault if there isn't??? Again, he's giving them the
chance to drill. Something you've wanted for a long time, now somehow
it's bad....... Talk about unhinged hatred. I thought John was the
king of that.



A report by the federal Minerals Management Service noted that most of
the seismic data used to evaluate oil and natural gas resources there
are more than 25 years old. So the information "may not be adequate"
to build maps or develop leases for drilling operations.

So, we are going exploring again, just like I said.

Of course you explore before you drill. It would be complete stupidity
for someone to say, Hey, lets drill right here, spend a couple hundred
million $$. We don't need to do any sort of scientific methodology to
actually see if there's oil there.



?Where will companies be allowed to drill?

President Obama said Wednesday he'll push for opening offshore areas
in the Gulf of Mexico and off the mid and southern Atlantic coast. Oil
and gas resources would be developed about 50 miles off the Virginia
coast and more than 125 miles from Florida's coast in the eastern Gulf
of Mexico. The government also will allow oil exploration in the
Arctic Ocean. The President doesn't support drilling at Bristol Bay in
Alaska because of environmental concerns. He said proposed leases in
that area would be canceled."

Notice "reversing a ban on offshore DRILLING"....

There are places that have been mapped and are ready to drill now if he
really wanted to "Open off shore drilling" as you stated in your
erronous initial question.

"Erronous" my ass. The article states very specifically that the
federal government will now open up places for DRILLING.

So, anyway, I didn't say anything bad at all about it, so again, you
lied about someone to the right of you.

No, you falsly said that Obama opened up areas to exploration when the
article specifically says drilling.

Obama expands and opens offshore drilling
 

In article cf1660cf-f940-4914-a9b5-36e7d1c6fb60
@l36g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, says...

On Mar 31, 2:52*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 4342a464-8e1c-44e6-9a55-a4f0d4270166@
15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com, says...







On Mar 31, 1:54*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 69d9ee23-0a10-4147-97fc-
,
says...

In a RESPONSIBLE manner, no less. Wonder how the right's going to say
this is a bad thing?

In a RESPONSIBLE manner, ask a question that is relevant to today's
announcement. Obama did not open offshore drilling, he re-opened
exploration. Try again, when you have read further than the MSNBC false
headlines... snerk

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v

Gee, whatcha know, I was correct about how the right will say it's a
bad thing. Now, facts are facts. Obama has opened offshore drilling in
areas thus far not opened. But, alas, what you are saying is just not
factual.

You lie! I never even adressed the ****ing issue, just the question. Get
a clue man...


Uh, no, I didn't lie. YOU said that Obama opened up "exploration".
That's false. He opened up DRILLING.


"By opening parts of the Atlantic and the Gulf of Mexico to oil
drilling, the Obama administration wants to tap a huge energy resource
that could keep fuel costs in check.

"Wants (wants) to tap"

What's wrong with that???? It's up to private concerns whether or not
it's profitable to do.



Reversing a ban on oil drilling off most U.S. shores, President Barack
Obama on Wednesday, March 31, 2010, announced an expansive new policy
that could put new oil and natural gas platforms in waters along the
southern Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico and part of
Alaska.(AP Photo/Mary Altaffer, file)
(AP)But don't expect gasoline pump prices to fall anytime soon because
of the new drilling.

"could (could) put new oil and natural gas platforms"

What's wrong with that??? It's up to private concerns whether or not
it's profitable. Fact remains, Obama is giving them the opportunity.
This is what the right has been wanting for a LONG time, now it's bad
somehow. Un****ing believable!



The offshore areas are located along relatively pristine parts of the
U.S. Outer Continental Shelf, a new frontier for oil companies. It
could take years before drillers will know how much oil can be pumped
from these areas, and when.

If there indeed is useable oil.

It'll be Obama fault if there isn't??? Again, he's giving them the
chance to drill. Something you've wanted for a long time, now somehow
it's bad....... Talk about unhinged hatred. I thought John was the
king of that.



A report by the federal Minerals Management Service noted that most of
the seismic data used to evaluate oil and natural gas resources there
are more than 25 years old. So the information "may not be adequate"
to build maps or develop leases for drilling operations.

So, we are going exploring again, just like I said.

Of course you explore before you drill. It would be complete stupidity
for someone to say, Hey, lets drill right here, spend a couple hundred
million $$. We don't need to do any sort of scientific methodology to
actually see if there's oil there.



?Where will companies be allowed to drill?

President Obama said Wednesday he'll push for opening offshore areas
in the Gulf of Mexico and off the mid and southern Atlantic coast. Oil
and gas resources would be developed about 50 miles off the Virginia
coast and more than 125 miles from Florida's coast in the eastern Gulf
of Mexico. The government also will allow oil exploration in the
Arctic Ocean. The President doesn't support drilling at Bristol Bay in
Alaska because of environmental concerns. He said proposed leases in
that area would be canceled."

Notice "reversing a ban on offshore DRILLING"....

There are places that have been mapped and are ready to drill now if he
really wanted to "Open off shore drilling" as you stated in your
erronous initial question.

"Erronous" my ass. The article states very specifically that the
federal government will now open up places for DRILLING.

So, anyway, I didn't say anything bad at all about it, so again, you
lied about someone to the right of you.

No, you falsly said that Obama opened up areas to exploration when the
article specifically says drilling.


Where in the article does it say he opened up areas that are ready to be
drilled, which there are many, right now?

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v

Obama expands and opens offshore drilling
 

On 3/31/10 3:09 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In articlecf1660cf-f940-4914-a9b5-36e7d1c6fb60
@l36g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, says...

On Mar 31, 2:52 pm, I am wrote:
In article4342a464-8e1c-44e6-9a55-a4f0d4270166@
15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com, says...







On Mar 31, 1:54 pm, I am wrote:
In article69d9ee23-0a10-4147-97fc-
,
says...

In a RESPONSIBLE manner, no less. Wonder how the right's going to say
this is a bad thing?

In a RESPONSIBLE manner, ask a question that is relevant to today's
announcement. Obama did not open offshore drilling, he re-opened
exploration. Try again, when you have read further than the MSNBC false
headlines...snerk

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v

Gee, whatcha know, I was correct about how the right will say it's a
bad thing. Now, facts are facts. Obama has opened offshore drilling in
areas thus far not opened. But, alas, what you are saying is just not
factual.

You lie! I never even adressed the ****ing issue, just the question. Get
a clue man...


Uh, no, I didn't lie. YOU said that Obama opened up "exploration".
That's false. He opened up DRILLING.


"By opening parts of the Atlantic and the Gulf of Mexico to oil
drilling, the Obama administration wants to tap a huge energy resource
that could keep fuel costs in check.

"Wants (wants) to tap"

What's wrong with that???? It's up to private concerns whether or not
it's profitable to do.



Reversing a ban on oil drilling off most U.S. shores, President Barack
Obama on Wednesday, March 31, 2010, announced an expansive new policy
that could put new oil and natural gas platforms in waters along the
southern Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico and part of
Alaska.(AP Photo/Mary Altaffer, file)
(AP)But don't expect gasoline pump prices to fall anytime soon because
of the new drilling.

"could (could) put new oil and natural gas platforms"

What's wrong with that??? It's up to private concerns whether or not
it's profitable. Fact remains, Obama is giving them the opportunity.
This is what the right has been wanting for a LONG time, now it's bad
somehow. Un****ing believable!



The offshore areas are located along relatively pristine parts of the
U.S. Outer Continental Shelf, a new frontier for oil companies. It
could take years before drillers will know how much oil can be pumped
from these areas, and when.

If there indeed is useable oil.

It'll be Obama fault if there isn't??? Again, he's giving them the
chance to drill. Something you've wanted for a long time, now somehow
it's bad....... Talk about unhinged hatred. I thought John was the
king of that.



A report by the federal Minerals Management Service noted that most of
the seismic data used to evaluate oil and natural gas resources there
are more than 25 years old. So the information "may not be adequate"
to build maps or develop leases for drilling operations.

So, we are going exploring again, just like I said.

Of course you explore before you drill. It would be complete stupidity
for someone to say, Hey, lets drill right here, spend a couple hundred
million $$. We don't need to do any sort of scientific methodology to
actually see if there's oil there.



?Where will companies be allowed to drill?

President Obama said Wednesday he'll push for opening offshore areas
in the Gulf of Mexico and off the mid and southern Atlantic coast. Oil
and gas resources would be developed about 50 miles off the Virginia
coast and more than 125 miles from Florida's coast in the eastern Gulf
of Mexico. The government also will allow oil exploration in the
Arctic Ocean. The President doesn't support drilling at Bristol Bay in
Alaska because of environmental concerns. He said proposed leases in
that area would be canceled."

Notice "reversing a ban on offshore DRILLING"....

There are places that have been mapped and are ready to drill now if he
really wanted to "Open off shore drilling" as you stated in your
erronous initial question.

"Erronous" my ass. The article states very specifically that the
federal government will now open up places for DRILLING.

So, anyway, I didn't say anything bad at all about it, so again, you
lied about someone to the right of you.

No, you falsly said that Obama opened up areas to exploration when the
article specifically says drilling.


Where in the article does it say he opened up areas that are ready to be
drilled, which there are many, right now?

Scotty


I'm looking for some entertainment for a holiday party this summer.
Perhaps you and your Droogie, Loogie, could engage in a duel, with
loaded pistols?



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Obama expands and opens offshore drilling
 

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:54:49 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article 69d9ee23-0a10-4147-97fc-
,
says...

In a RESPONSIBLE manner, no less. Wonder how the right's going to say
this is a bad thing?

In a RESPONSIBLE manner, ask a question that is relevant to today's
announcement. Obama did not open offshore drilling, he re-opened
exploration. Try again, when you have read further than the MSNBC false
headlines... snerk

Scotty

actually he proposed plans to open it for drilling
(http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/....html?hpt=Sbin)

Roughly two-thirds of available oil and gas resources in the eastern
Gulf of Mexico would be opened to drilling if a congressional
moratorium on oil and gas operations in the region is lifted,
according to the statement.

Obama expands and opens offshore drilling
 

On 31/03/2010 12:12 PM, Loogypicker wrote:
On Mar 31, 1:54 pm, I am wrote:
In article69d9ee23-0a10-4147-97fc-
,
says...



In a RESPONSIBLE manner, no less. Wonder how the right's going to say
this is a bad thing?

In a RESPONSIBLE manner, ask a question that is relevant to today's
announcement. Obama did not open offshore drilling, he re-opened
exploration. Try again, when you have read further than the MSNBC false
headlines...snerk

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v

Gee, whatcha know, I was correct about how the right will say it's a
bad thing. Now, facts are facts. Obama has opened offshore drilling in
areas thus far not opened. But, alas, what you are saying is just not
factual.

"By opening parts of the Atlantic and the Gulf of Mexico to oil
drilling, the Obama administration wants to tap a huge energy resource
that could keep fuel costs in check.

Doubtful the keeping fuel costs in check has much to do with it. It
likely has more to do with a scenario where US supplies are interupted
or the USD tanks to peso par. US government credit is likely near its
end as it is now more or less debt to perpetuity.

Reversing a ban on oil drilling off most U.S. shores, President Barack
Obama on Wednesday, March 31, 2010, announced an expansive new policy
that could put new oil and natural gas platforms in waters along the
southern Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico and part of
Alaska.(AP Photo/Mary Altaffer, file)
(AP)But don't expect gasoline pump prices to fall anytime soon because
of the new drilling.

Just means the government wants to sell off oil rights for cash. And
now desperate enough to do it.

The offshore areas are located along relatively pristine parts of the
U.S. Outer Continental Shelf, a new frontier for oil companies. It
could take years before drillers will know how much oil can be pumped
from these areas, and when.

Will take 5 to 10 years.

A report by the federal Minerals Management Service noted that most of
the seismic data used to evaluate oil and natural gas resources there
are more than 25 years old. So the information "may not be adequate"
to build maps or develop leases for drilling operations.

Probably isn't. Betcha Obama insiders bought the right stocks.

—Where will companies be allowed to drill?

Any where they want so long as uncle Obama gets his take.

President Obama said Wednesday he'll push for opening offshore areas
in the Gulf of Mexico and off the mid and southern Atlantic coast. Oil
and gas resources would be developed about 50 miles off the Virginia
coast and more than 125 miles from Florida's coast in the eastern Gulf
of Mexico. The government also will allow oil exploration in the
Arctic Ocean. The President doesn't support drilling at Bristol Bay in
Alaska because of environmental concerns. He said proposed leases in
that area would be canceled."

****ed off because Alaska is Repubician, I get it.

Notice "reversing a ban on offshore DRILLING"....

Yep. Nothing like getting a Obama credit card bill and no means to pay
for it... smell of money. And we know how liberal democrats like the spend.

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Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.

Obama expands and opens offshore drilling
 

On 31/03/2010 12:40 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

Well, what do you really expect?? We have a black president. That scares
some people. Worse yet, he actually has a brain and uses it.

Ya, and if he was a white president every liberal leftist loser would be
screaming environmental damage.

This is about DC being broke, they need to raise the cash from the leases.

Pure and simple.

wrote in message
...
On Mar 31, 1:54 pm, I am wrote:
In article69d9ee23-0a10-4147-97fc-
,
says...



In a RESPONSIBLE manner, no less. Wonder how the right's going to say
this is a bad thing?

In a RESPONSIBLE manner, ask a question that is relevant to today's
announcement. Obama did not open offshore drilling, he re-opened
exploration. Try again, when you have read further than the MSNBC false
headlines...snerk

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v

Gee, whatcha know, I was correct about how the right will say it's a
bad thing. Now, facts are facts. Obama has opened offshore drilling in
areas thus far not opened. But, alas, what you are saying is just not
factual.

"By opening parts of the Atlantic and the Gulf of Mexico to oil
drilling, the Obama administration wants to tap a huge energy resource
that could keep fuel costs in check.

Reversing a ban on oil drilling off most U.S. shores, President Barack
Obama on Wednesday, March 31, 2010, announced an expansive new policy
that could put new oil and natural gas platforms in waters along the
southern Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico and part of
Alaska.(AP Photo/Mary Altaffer, file)
(AP)But don't expect gasoline pump prices to fall anytime soon because
of the new drilling.

The offshore areas are located along relatively pristine parts of the
U.S. Outer Continental Shelf, a new frontier for oil companies. It
could take years before drillers will know how much oil can be pumped
from these areas, and when.

A report by the federal Minerals Management Service noted that most of
the seismic data used to evaluate oil and natural gas resources there
are more than 25 years old. So the information "may not be adequate"
to build maps or develop leases for drilling operations.

—Where will companies be allowed to drill?

President Obama said Wednesday he'll push for opening offshore areas
in the Gulf of Mexico and off the mid and southern Atlantic coast. Oil
and gas resources would be developed about 50 miles off the Virginia
coast and more than 125 miles from Florida's coast in the eastern Gulf
of Mexico. The government also will allow oil exploration in the
Arctic Ocean. The President doesn't support drilling at Bristol Bay in
Alaska because of environmental concerns. He said proposed leases in
that area would be canceled."

Notice "reversing a ban on offshore DRILLING"....





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On 31/03/2010 1:07 PM, Loogypicker wrote:

Uh, no, I didn't lie. YOU said that Obama opened up "exploration".
That's false. He opened up DRILLING.

Funny, you hypocrits. Canada oil sands are bad, now open up ... LMAO...

Drilling and exploration go hand in hand. No one in their right mind
would explore for something they can't drill for.

"could (could) put new oil and natural gas platforms"

What's wrong with that??? It's up to private concerns whether or not
it's profitable. Fact remains, Obama is giving them the opportunity.
This is what the right has been wanting for a LONG time, now it's bad
somehow. Un****ing believable!

No, Obama is desperate for the cash.

Not that I disagree with it, I stand to make some money on it.

The offshore areas are located along relatively pristine parts of the
U.S. Outer Continental Shelf, a new frontier for oil companies. It
could take years before drillers will know how much oil can be pumped
from these areas, and when.

If there indeed is useable oil.

It'll be Obama fault if there isn't??? Again, he's giving them the
chance to drill. Something you've wanted for a long time, now somehow
it's bad....... Talk about unhinged hatred. I thought John was the
king of that.

I like how all it takes is a pinch in the wallet to change peopels minds.

This is hilarious.

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On 31/03/2010 12:37 PM, lil abner wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
In a RESPONSIBLE manner, no less. Wonder how the right's going to say
this is a bad thing?

It won't impact the price of fuel to Americans!

Agreed.

There is already a glut, of supply, of Oil.

Debateable. It would not take much of a recovery to take up the slack
in 30 days or less.

And there is no hope in hell of the US becoming energy self sufficient
in anyones lifetime today bar something innovative like cold fusion that
is bonified real.

Commodities Speculators operate outside our or anyone else's laws.

Ask yourself, if it was do easy and cheap to get oil to market, why
hasn't it been done? Hell, Obama Government Oil Company can compete
with Pemex.

Who knows, Obama has banks, auto now why not nukes and oil?

They are rigging the market. Oil Companies are in concert. They are
cutting production, to ensure higher prices.

You betcha, just like auto and banks.

Anti Trust Laws are ignored because Big Oil has money and spends it on
Legislators.
We get lip service and feigned attacks on price gouging and market rigging.
There is no American Oil Companies. They will take our Oil Resource and
add it to their Global stores. American Production or Resource does not
exist.

In part true. There is a world price, pay or do without. Still cheaper
than US clean bottled water or Starbucks coffee.

London and OPEC and the rest, of the Global Oil Cabal, will use us just
like England used as a colony before the Revolution. Take our Resource
and sell it back to us at artificial and inflated prices.

And guess what is behind it, big government. Guess what, you want big
government. So what are you complaining about? Oh, the American
government is the only one allowed to be maarxist and big?

LMAO.

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On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:42:57 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 31/03/2010 12:40 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

Well, what do you really expect?? We have a black president. That scares
some people. Worse yet, he actually has a brain and uses it.

Ya, and if he was a white president every liberal leftist loser would be
screaming environmental damage.

guess canuck doesn't follow the news. they already are. but, because
he's black, 'canuck' kneejerks himself into his typical racist attiude

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On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:58:05 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 31/03/2010 12:37 PM, lil abner wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
In a RESPONSIBLE manner, no less. Wonder how the right's going to say
this is a bad thing?

It won't impact the price of fuel to Americans!

Agreed.

There is already a glut, of supply, of Oil.

Debateable. It would not take much of a recovery to take up the slack
in 30 days or less.

And there is no hope in hell of the US becoming energy self sufficient
in anyones lifetime today bar something innovative like cold fusion that
is bonified real.

Commodities Speculators operate outside our or anyone else's laws.

Ask yourself, if it was do easy and cheap to get oil to market, why
hasn't it been done? Hell, Obama Government Oil Company can compete
with Pemex.

Who knows, Obama has banks, auto now why not nukes and oil?

amount of the US economy owned by the govt?

0.8%

wow. canuck's right...socialism!!

he's just upset because a black man's in the white house

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On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 21:14:52 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:58:05 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 31/03/2010 12:37 PM, lil abner wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
In a RESPONSIBLE manner, no less. Wonder how the right's going to say
this is a bad thing?

It won't impact the price of fuel to Americans!

Agreed.

There is already a glut, of supply, of Oil.

Debateable. It would not take much of a recovery to take up the slack
in 30 days or less.

And there is no hope in hell of the US becoming energy self sufficient
in anyones lifetime today bar something innovative like cold fusion that
is bonified real.

Commodities Speculators operate outside our or anyone else's laws.

Ask yourself, if it was do easy and cheap to get oil to market, why
hasn't it been done? Hell, Obama Government Oil Company can compete
with Pemex.

Who knows, Obama has banks, auto now why not nukes and oil?

amount of the US economy owned by the govt?

0.8%

wow. canuck's right...socialism!!

he's just upset because a black man's in the white house

A black democrat. They can barely abide the Democrat being in there,
the darkie drives 'em crazy!

Doesn't matter that he's no where near progressive or a socialist,
he's black and that means more than anything.

These crackers have no idea how deeply those subconscious trenches go
but it's easy to peer into them in the full light of rec.boats.

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On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 20:23:50 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 22:04:44 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

and rush loves it...it's part of his fairy tale


I rarely hear Rush.

faux news, then...murdoch's zombie


But being a former small business owner and aware the
mutual fund people are interested in the fee's they make and not really the
rate of return of the fund, I learned about economics. and give credit to
the Democrats who voted the TARP bill that Bush signed. They could have
stopped it easily. They had a majority of Congress. Give Credit to Clinton
and his advisors for pushing the Glass-steagall revision.

really it was phil gramm and his enron VP wife who engineered
deregulation of collateralized debt obligations during revision of the
CFMA...a nice right wing GOP senator from texas

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On 4/3/10 10:10 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 02:26:55 -0400, wrote:

really it was phil gramm and his enron VP wife who engineered
deregulation of collateralized debt obligations during revision of the
CFMA...a nice right wing GOP senator from texas


... with the support of Greenspan, Summers, Rubin and Gethner who
worked directly for Clinton..


Nothing would have happened if Gramm wasn't pushing it. You know what he
does now, right? He's pimping for a swiss bank.

--
http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym

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On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 10:10:13 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 02:26:55 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

really it was phil gramm and his enron VP wife who engineered
deregulation of collateralized debt obligations during revision of the
CFMA...a nice right wing GOP senator from texas


... with the support of Greenspan, Summers, Rubin and Gethner who
worked directly for Clinton..

gee. the GOP has run the govt for 22 of the last 30 years.

and what did they do to protect us?

nothing. and greenspan? he worked for bush

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On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 10:27:17 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 10:17:37 -0400, hk
wrote:

On 4/3/10 10:10 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 02:26:55 -0400, wrote:

really it was phil gramm and his enron VP wife who engineered
deregulation of collateralized debt obligations during revision of the
CFMA...a nice right wing GOP senator from texas


... with the support of Greenspan, Summers, Rubin and Gethner who
worked directly for Clinton..


Nothing would have happened if Gramm wasn't pushing it. You know what he
does now, right? He's pimping for a swiss bank.

Rubin was pimping for Citi Group until they fired him last year. If
Obama had not hired Geithner and Summers they would be Wall Street
execs somewhere too.
The fact remains that Gramm was not acting alone. He had the full
support of the Clinton administration.

no, he didn't. if he did, he wouldnt have found it necessary to
filibuster the bill. that's why it got passed. if clinton had
supported it, it would have passed congress without gramm's
filibuster.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 31/03/2010 12:40 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

Well, what do you really expect?? We have a black president. That scares
some people. Worse yet, he actually has a brain and uses it.

Ya, and if he was a white president every liberal leftist loser would be
screaming environmental damage.

This is about DC being broke, they need to raise the cash from the leases.



Most environmental groups are. Sorry to disappoint you. It's not about money
or oil. It's about be thoughful and deliberative. Neither of which describes
you.

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wrote in message
...
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 02:26:55 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

really it was phil gramm and his enron VP wife who engineered
deregulation of collateralized debt obligations during revision of the
CFMA...a nice right wing GOP senator from texas


... with the support of Greenspan, Summers, Rubin and Gethner who
worked directly for Clinton..


And, I think it was a major mistake on all their part to remove the regs.
Now we see the result.

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On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 17:43:10 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 12:34:39 -0400, bpuharic wrote:


Rubin was pimping for Citi Group until they fired him last year. If
Obama had not hired Geithner and Summers they would be Wall Street
execs somewhere too.
The fact remains that Gramm was not acting alone. He had the full
support of the Clinton administration.

no, he didn't. if he did, he wouldnt have found it necessary to
filibuster the bill. that's why it got passed. if clinton had
supported it, it would have passed congress without gramm's
filibuster.

I guess all those TV clips of Greenspan and the gang were photoshopped
and they had to waterboard Clinton to get him to say this was the
greatest thing since sliced bread when he signed it.

and what we saw was the milton friedman fundamentalist free market
theology take over the american right....pushing the idea of 'smaller
govt' in financial regulation (all the while pushing to end
church/state separation).

alan greenspan was an acolyte of both friedman and ayn rand...neither
of whom thought regulating wall street was a good idea.


You can try to rewrite history and say the democrats were not all over
these dereg bills but it is pure bull****. The 2000 bill passed with
unanimous consent in the senate and overwhelming support in the house.
It was mostly republicans who opposed it there.
I have posted the vote here about 6 times.

and, as i pointed out, the bill was subject to filibuster from the
free market fundamentalist phil gramm, who, at the behest of his enron
VP wife, prevented the bill from being passed until any regulatory
power of the SEC was stripped out. of course the bill passed...it
took alot of work. but gramm, being bribed by his rich right wing
friends, prevented it from being passed until the SEC was made
toothless

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On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 21:33:53 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 18:04:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

... with the support of Greenspan, Summers, Rubin and Gethner who
worked directly for Clinton..


And, I think it was a major mistake on all their part to remove the regs.
Now we see the result.

Unfortunately I have not seen the current administration trying to fix
the problems either. Elizabeth Warren was on TV the other day saying
we are not going to see any effective legislation as long as the bank
lobbyists are outnumbering congress about 5 to one and they show up
with buckets of bribe money.

and the far right continues its free market fundamentalism, such as
richard shelby asserting that no regulations are necessary and that we
need to cut taxes on the rich.

neither policy works.

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On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 17:43:10 -0400, wrote:



I guess all those TV clips of Greenspan and the gang were photoshopped
and they had to waterboard Clinton to get him to say this was the
greatest thing since sliced bread when he signed it.
You can try to rewrite history and say the democrats were not all over
these dereg bills but it is pure bull****. The 2000 bill passed with
unanimous consent in the senate and overwhelming support in the house.
It was mostly republicans who opposed it there.
I have posted the vote here about 6 times.

incidentally you might want to check out this discussion of gramm's
role in destroying the US economy at the behest of the free market far
right:


http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/post_140.php?page=all

In the early evening of Friday, December 15, 2000, with Christmas
break only hours away, the U.S. Senate rushed to pass an essential,
11,000-page government reauthorization bill. In what one legal
textbook would later call ‘a stunning departure from normal
legislative practice,’ the Senate tacked on a complex, 262-page
amendment at the urging of Texas Sen. Phil Gramm.
There was little debate on the floor. According to the Congressional
Record, Gramm promised that the amendment—also known as the Commodity
Futures Modernization Act—along with other landmark legislation he had
authored, would usher in a new era for the U.S. financial services
industry.
-------------------

so in a 11th hour move, gramm sneaked a 262 page amendment into an
11,000 page bill, knowing that congress had no time to debate it, and
which was necessary to pass.

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wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 18:04:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

... with the support of Greenspan, Summers, Rubin and Gethner who
worked directly for Clinton..


And, I think it was a major mistake on all their part to remove the regs.
Now we see the result.

Unfortunately I have not seen the current administration trying to fix
the problems either. Elizabeth Warren was on TV the other day saying
we are not going to see any effective legislation as long as the bank
lobbyists are outnumbering congress about 5 to one and they show up
with buckets of bribe money.


I think they're trying. Geitner isn't so bad. If you can, read the article
about him in the Atlantic. It's an eye-opener, and it puts what he and the
Fed are doing in perspective. Elizabeth Warren is really sharp. She's
right... as long as the lobbying money is there, it'll be difficult to get
the Congress creatures to actually do something.

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 21:33:53 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 18:04:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

... with the support of Greenspan, Summers, Rubin and Gethner who
worked directly for Clinton..


And, I think it was a major mistake on all their part to remove the regs.
Now we see the result.

Unfortunately I have not seen the current administration trying to fix
the problems either. Elizabeth Warren was on TV the other day saying
we are not going to see any effective legislation as long as the bank
lobbyists are outnumbering congress about 5 to one and they show up
with buckets of bribe money.

and the far right continues its free market fundamentalism, such as
richard shelby asserting that no regulations are necessary and that we
need to cut taxes on the rich.

neither policy works.



There's a long history of philosophical dogma about free market
fundamentalism in the US... sad but true. Even when it's shown not to work,
they claim it would if we would just give it another try. Puzzling.

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On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 19:37:04 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .


and the far right continues its free market fundamentalism, such as
richard shelby asserting that no regulations are necessary and that we
need to cut taxes on the rich.

neither policy works.



There's a long history of philosophical dogma about free market
fundamentalism in the US... sad but true. Even when it's shown not to work,
they claim it would if we would just give it another try. Puzzling.

it doesn't work. and it's amazing how many americans...the teabaggers
for example, think it does

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On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 23:08:26 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 21:32:22 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

and, as i pointed out, the bill was subject to filibuster from the
free market fundamentalist phil gramm, who, at the behest of his enron
VP wife, prevented the bill from being passed until any regulatory
power of the SEC was stripped out. of course the bill passed...it
took alot of work. but gramm, being bribed by his rich right wing
friends, prevented it from being passed until the SEC was made
toothless

That would explain a 60-40 vote if that is what happened but the vote
was unanimous.

uh..why? you're assuming they had an opportunity to discuss the bill,
review it and had plenty of time. none of this is true.

the fact is the far right free market fundies slipped this one under
the radar. your assessment is wrong

Your assessment is simply denial that the democrats could have
possibly had anything to do with it.
If that was true they would have passed real reform last year when
they did have the 60 votes. The fact is there wasn't even any
meaningful reform proposed.

uh. what planet do you live on? the bills richard shelby is fighting
against are in congress NOW.

not too bright...not too up on the news. you have your marching orders
from limballs and you fall in step.

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On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 23:11:48 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 22:13:30 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 17:43:10 -0400, wrote:



I guess all those TV clips of Greenspan and the gang were photoshopped
and they had to waterboard Clinton to get him to say this was the
greatest thing since sliced bread when he signed it.
You can try to rewrite history and say the democrats were not all over
these dereg bills but it is pure bull****. The 2000 bill passed with
unanimous consent in the senate and overwhelming support in the house.
It was mostly republicans who opposed it there.
I have posted the vote here about 6 times.

incidentally you might want to check out this discussion of gramm's
role in destroying the US economy at the behest of the free market far
right:


http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/post_140.php?page=all

Perhaps you should go to Thomas.loc.gov and read the actual bill,
actions and votes and not depend on "the alternate press" for your
propaganda.

and perhaps you should read the history of the bill and not rely on
the mainstream media for yours.

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On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 00:52:14 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 23:10:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote:


uh..why? you're assuming they had an opportunity to discuss the bill,
review it and had plenty of time. none of this is true.

the fact is the far right free market fundies slipped this one under
the radar. your assessment is wrong

You are just wrong
Look at HR 5660. Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000
(Introduced in House)
That is the actual bill that deregulated the derivatives and that was
banging around since June. The fact that it got tacked onto HR4577
late does not mean nobody knew what was in it.

meaningless assertion. because if gramm DID want people to read it and
DID want them to understand it, he would have introduced it with the
11,000 page bill. the fact he introduced a 262 page bill at the 11th
hour, at the end of the session meant he was, as the law school
reference said, trying to sneak it in.


Your assessment is simply denial that the democrats could have
possibly had anything to do with it.
If that was true they would have passed real reform last year when
they did have the 60 votes. The fact is there wasn't even any
meaningful reform proposed.

uh. what planet do you live on? the bills richard shelby is fighting
against are in congress NOW.


Your idea that if there were no republicans everything would be OK is
just wrong. Again, read who voted against this bill. 51 republicans
and 9 democrats. in the house.
(roll call vote 603)
NO senators voted against it.

irrelevant. gramm snuck it in at the behest of his paymasters at the
very end of the session, knowing no one would read it.

so you are either lying or stupid. being right wing, however, i
wouldnt rule out both

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On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 00:54:38 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 23:17:42 -0400, bpuharic wrote:


Perhaps you should go to Thomas.loc.gov and read the actual bill,
actions and votes and not depend on "the alternate press" for your
propaganda.

and perhaps you should read the history of the bill and not rely on
the mainstream media for yours.

I am reading the actual bill and the history. Quick quiz, what date
did they do the final vote?

fine. you go read the 11,000 page bill. you say you actually read
11,000 pages? is that what you're saying?