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nom=de=plume April 1st 10 01:30 AM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"jps" wrote in message
...


You may read, but you don't seem to comprehend very well.
I never suggested anything like that. A simple case of gangrene is life
threatening.

Eisboch



A simple cold can turn into pneumonia, which is life threatening.

Not knowing colesteral counts can lead to heart disease and
catastrophic outcomes.

I don't know where you think you'd draw the line. It's proven that
consistency of care when health is a key factor in preventing the
types of diseases and afflictions that end up costing huge money.

This is just as short-sighted as those who favor funding jails to
pre-school.

Is that somehow miscomprehending your intent?


I think it's just lacking in some common sense.

Eisboch



The typical sort of system that I'm used to has a triage system, whereby a
nurse practitioner handles the initial call. If s/he feels it might be worth
proceeding with a doctor telephone call or a visit, it's decided then. I
also have access to my doctor directly via email (answered the same day) or
telephone (next business day, typically). That takes it out of the hands of
the patient deciding if it's trivial or not.

--
Nom=de=Plume



nom=de=plume April 1st 10 01:31 AM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...


You're the one to decide what's a sniffle or cold? I think I'd rather
have my doctor decide.


--
Nom=de=Plume


I am 60 years old. My parents and my wife and I (with our kids) did a
pretty good job determining what required a doctor's attention and what
required a day home from school to rest.
Now-a-days the parents don't want that responsibility because it only
costs a $10 co-pay to run to the doctor.

That's what I am talking about. Not serious injuries or illnesses.

Eisboch



Perhaps you're better educated than others? Perhaps it's something other
than laziness or not taking responsibility. Perhaps it's concern for the
child's health. I seriously doubt any parent is going to waste the hours
required to take a child to the doctor if it's something they really think
is trivial. That would cost them way more than the $10.

--
Nom=de=Plume



nom=de=plume April 1st 10 01:33 AM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 
"Peter (Yes, that one)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:44:30 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
om...
On 3/31/10 3:18 PM, Eisboch wrote:

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...


You're the one to decide what's a sniffle or cold? I think I'd
rather
have my doctor decide.


--
Nom=de=Plume


I am 60 years old. My parents and my wife and I (with our kids) did a
pretty good job determining what required a doctor's attention and
what
required a day home from school to rest.
Now-a-days the parents don't want that responsibility because it only
costs a $10 co-pay to run to the doctor.

That's what I am talking about. Not serious injuries or illnesses.

Eisboch


Ahh, but you are a reasonably educated, wealthy, white guy who worked
and
got many of the advantages life has to offer. You're far more
sophisticated in the matters under discussion than tens of millions of
Americans. What works for you intellectually isn't going to work for
boobus Americanus, necessarily. The short version: a lot of parents do
not
have the ability to differentiate between a low fever and a fever that
might indicate something serious.


Hmmmm... makes you wonder. But ..
Any financial advantage I may enjoy was arrived at later in life ....
after
turning 50.
No, I just had responsible parents and, more to Mrs.E's credit than
mine,
our kids had responsible parents. Neither one of us are rocket
scientists.

Eisboch


I employ a rocket scientist and he doesn't take any better care of his
kids than we do...


I do like the "can't see the forest for the trees" cliche, because it so
often fits well.
I interject my comment here, because I don't want to burden Mr. Eisboch
with the thought involved in mocking my name.
And it relates to the "forest for the trees" cliche quite well.
I have heard two phrases countless times from Republican resistors of
the recently passed health care bill.
"Can't afford it."
"Don't want the government coming between the patient and his doctor."

To the first point, apparently Mr. Eisboch does not believe that regular
visits to a doctor leads to less health care costs in the end.
This is somewhat akin to never doing preventative maintenance on an
automobile. And thinking that is cost efficient.
But I don't choose to argue that now.
What I find most insufferable in Mr. Eisboch's mantra is the second
point:
He is so arrogant to think HE should come between the doctor and his
patient.
That fact, evidenced by his virtually writing health care prescriptions
for others right here in this news group, is insulting to anybody who
actually sees a doctor, and to 99% of health care providers.
Perhaps others are too kind to mention this to Mr Eisboch, who seems an
otherwise reasonable man when not toeing the Republican party line.
In any case, I can still respect Mr. Eisboch's view on other matters he
speaks on, and where he shows logic and plain common sense.
For certain, he stands above many here who choose to cuss, cry,
lie, demean and spoof the names and families of others.
I've already forgiven Mr. Eisboch the mocking of my name, which was an
understandable lapse in judgment.
I implore others here to endeavor to speak in kind terms whenever
possible, and not allow petty differences of politics to come between
the friendship and camaraderie most boaters desire.
Mr Schnautz serves well as an example of civil conduct here, and can
stand as a fine exemplar.
A man's character is best known by the number of his friends, not his
enemies.



I believe preventive care is part of the new law.

--
Nom=de=Plume



[email protected] April 1st 10 01:40 AM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 
snipped for brevity

A man's character is best known by the number of his friends, not his
enemies.


A good man can have a wealth of enemies.

jps April 1st 10 02:17 AM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:48:59 -0400, Larry wrote:

jps wrote:
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:51:04 -0400, wrote:


jps wrote:

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 01:32:00 -0500, wrote:



jps wrote:


On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:12:11 -0400, wrote:



wrote in message
m...


I think " necessary health care" and "subsidized health care insurance"
are
two different things.

Eisboch




No "other words" are needed. I believe health insurance or a national
health plan should be mandatory, and if you legitimately cannot afford the
insurance, it should be subsidized for you and your family to the degree
necessary.



The hang-up I still have is the difference between a mandatory health
insurance program and the right to free or subsidized (tax supported) health
care for life threatening or disabling conditions. Mandatory health
insurance puts another massive layer of bureaucracy, private or government,
into the mix. When it comes to getting care, that has never been a good
thing.

A mandatory health insurance law is in effect here in MA. For those who
can't afford the subsidized insurance (state programs) it is cheaper to pay
the fine (assuming the state even enforces the collection of them, which I
doubt.)

Tough call. I guess my attitude is that those of us that are fortunate
enough to be able to afford decent health insurance also have a moral
obligation to assist those who need medical care (though a tax or increased
insurance premium) for those who cannot afford insurance. But to subsidize
health *insurance* programs is another matter.

Eisboch


Are you suggesting that those that can afford it pay retail, but those
who need subsidized care get it through some other method?

Not sure I understand.


The guy lays out a detailed plan to provide health care for all, and you
bitch about it. Unless you have a better plan, quit criticizing.


What about my post was bitching? Do you actually read or just jerk a
spasmotic knee?

It was a question about clarification, you dweeb, not an accusation or
bitch.


I have a really moronic spoofer. Thanks for the kind comments, anyway.

Maybe you should consider augmenting your screen name so we can tell
the difference. Sure you don't have MPD?

Pretty sure. Let me check . . . . . . . Nope.


Well then, you're obviously playing two roles. The customary Dan
Krueger and his less evil twin.

Does Margaret know there's two of you?

jps April 1st 10 02:20 AM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:55:29 -0400, Larry wrote:

jps wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:45:26 -0400, wrote:


hk wrote:

On 3/29/10 8:47 AM, Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
...

On 3/29/10 8:28 AM, Eisboch wrote:


wrote in message
m...

What could be more pathetic than an asshole like Scotty here whining
about
health care insurance when he doesn't have any and as a result
racked up
a
$25,000 bill at a local hospital that he will never pay off.


I have no idea if Scotty has insurance or not or what his
arrangement is
with the hospital.
That's his business and I am not interested in that specific
discussion.

However, doesn't the approved health care reform mean that you, as a
person
of means, will help pay for the care required by those who have no
insurance
for whatever reasons? I happen to agree with it.

I thought this is what you have been advocating also. Why the
criticism?

Eisboch



My criticism of Scotty is based upon the *fact* of his
irresponsibility,
his unwillingness to obtain health care insurance, his criticism of
attempts to initiate programs to extend health care insurance to the
uninsured, *and* his unwillingness to accept "free" reasonable help
that
was offered to him in a time of need.

I have no objection to my tax dollars going to help subsidize the
cost of
health insurance for those who legitimately cannot afford it. In
fact, I
would have gone a lot farther than the legislation signed into law last
week goes.



So, in other words, your tax dollars to help pay for necessary health
care
is ok with you as long as the person meets your criteria of a deserving
recipient. Hmmmm. I might be even more left leaning than you in this
regard.

I think " necessary health care" and "subsidized health care
insurance" are
two different things.

Eisboch



No "other words" are needed. I believe health insurance or a national
health plan should be mandatory, and if you legitimately cannot afford
the insurance, it should be subsidized for you and your family to the
degree necessary.




That works so well for welfare. Breeding more deadbeats and getting
others to pay for it ****es me off. Now you want to add a whole new
level? Welfare checks *and* free health care?

You are an ignorant, sick piece of **** who has bought into all the
propaganda fed you by your selfish, greedy masters.

The truth hurts that bad?


That's your sick truth. The world's truth is something else and you
clearly wouldn't understand.

You're too busy investing in Reagan's myth of parasitic welfare
cheats.

You're no more enlightened than the militia idiots who think that when
the government goes broke that all those inner city leaches are gonna
come rape and pillage the good white folk.

****in' sick *******s, the lot of you.

jps April 1st 10 02:25 AM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:55:38 -0400, hk
wrote:

On 3/31/10 5:46 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:28:52 -0400,
wrote:


wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...


I won't bore you again with the tale or details, but I did a survey once
that proved that it would have been less costly for my (former) company
and for the employees if I had simply paid for or re-impursed the cost of
the services that you described to the employees and had a Major Medical
insurance plan to cover serious, catasrophic or life threatening injuries
or illness.

Unfortunately, the state of MA nor the Insurance companies would allow
such a thing.

Eisboch


You once did a survey that proved something. Sure. In one specific case.
But, I guess Mitt didn't like your plan. The one he pushed is much
stronger than the one that just passed. Of course, he's against it after
he was for it.

--
Nom=de=Plume


My company was representative of a typical small business who collectively
employ about 80% of the population. It may have been a specific case, but
it was representative of what happened when HMO type health plans became
popular.

BTW ... the one Mitt signed .... (under a heavily Democratic state populous)
isn't exactly working out very well, particularly for small business. It
has advantages to the insured, but is causing small business to cut back or
avoid growth. Again, since small business is the major employer, it has
ramifications that aren't so good overall.


Maybe small businesses are just going to have to account for the real
cost of doing business, including taking care of the folks who
generate the income.

I'm burdened because I choose to be, no matter the state law. It may
indeed limit my growth but I know whomever is in my employ has a
medical safety net that they can rely on.

Walmart wouldn't be nearly as successful if they accounted for the
true cost of maintaining a human being.

Socialism for the rich.



The easy answer and the one used by most modern nations is to lift the
direct burden of providing health care coverage from individuals and
businesses and lay it against society as a whole. That way, individuals
and businesses pay their fair share of a societal cost.


That's why the reaction from the right is so astounding. This is the
Republican's wet dream of a health care bill. Protect the monied scum
who make a profit by providing nothing but administrative process.

The public option is the only way we're going to see competitive rates
in this country. That'd be a good first step towards the ultimate
goal of single payer.

jps April 1st 10 02:25 AM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:04:37 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
...


The easy answer and the one used by most modern nations is to lift the
direct burden of providing health care coverage from individuals and
businesses and lay it against society as a whole. That way, individuals
and businesses pay their fair share of a societal cost.


Good grief. I agree with you.

Eisboch


Holy ****.

jps April 1st 10 02:27 AM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:04:30 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .


You may read, but you don't seem to comprehend very well.
I never suggested anything like that. A simple case of gangrene is life
threatening.

Eisboch



A simple cold can turn into pneumonia, which is life threatening.

Not knowing colesteral counts can lead to heart disease and
catastrophic outcomes.

I don't know where you think you'd draw the line. It's proven that
consistency of care when health is a key factor in preventing the
types of diseases and afflictions that end up costing huge money.

This is just as short-sighted as those who favor funding jails to
pre-school.

Is that somehow miscomprehending your intent?


I think it's just lacking in some common sense.

Eisboch


Common sense dictates investment in education and care so that more
people avoid the catastrophic.

hk April 1st 10 02:39 AM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 
On 3/31/10 9:25 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:55:38 -0400,
wrote:

On 3/31/10 5:46 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:28:52 -0400,
wrote:


wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...


I won't bore you again with the tale or details, but I did a survey once
that proved that it would have been less costly for my (former) company
and for the employees if I had simply paid for or re-impursed the cost of
the services that you described to the employees and had a Major Medical
insurance plan to cover serious, catasrophic or life threatening injuries
or illness.

Unfortunately, the state of MA nor the Insurance companies would allow
such a thing.

Eisboch


You once did a survey that proved something. Sure. In one specific case.
But, I guess Mitt didn't like your plan. The one he pushed is much
stronger than the one that just passed. Of course, he's against it after
he was for it.

--
Nom=de=Plume


My company was representative of a typical small business who collectively
employ about 80% of the population. It may have been a specific case, but
it was representative of what happened when HMO type health plans became
popular.

BTW ... the one Mitt signed .... (under a heavily Democratic state populous)
isn't exactly working out very well, particularly for small business. It
has advantages to the insured, but is causing small business to cut back or
avoid growth. Again, since small business is the major employer, it has
ramifications that aren't so good overall.

Maybe small businesses are just going to have to account for the real
cost of doing business, including taking care of the folks who
generate the income.

I'm burdened because I choose to be, no matter the state law. It may
indeed limit my growth but I know whomever is in my employ has a
medical safety net that they can rely on.

Walmart wouldn't be nearly as successful if they accounted for the
true cost of maintaining a human being.

Socialism for the rich.



The easy answer and the one used by most modern nations is to lift the
direct burden of providing health care coverage from individuals and
businesses and lay it against society as a whole. That way, individuals
and businesses pay their fair share of a societal cost.


That's why the reaction from the right is so astounding. This is the
Republican's wet dream of a health care bill. Protect the monied scum
who make a profit by providing nothing but administrative process.

The public option is the only way we're going to see competitive rates
in this country. That'd be a good first step towards the ultimate
goal of single payer.




The GOP doesn't know or care about reform...what is driving the GOP is
its desire to try to stymie Obama wherever and whenever possible, for
purely political reasons. Remember, the GOP is populated by morons like
Ingersoll and Herring who believe the simple-minded nonsense the party
chieftains and elected officials spew. Look at the teabaggers - a
movement of absolute morons.
--
http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym

nom=de=plume April 1st 10 04:04 AM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 
wrote in message
...
snipped for brevity

A man's character is best known by the number of his friends, not his
enemies.


A good man can have a wealth of enemies.



It can be a requirement.

--
Nom=de=Plume



Bill McKee April 1st 10 04:04 AM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:43:50 -0500, Peter Prick
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 01:32:00 -0500, Larry wrote:

jps wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:12:11 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...
I think " necessary health care" and "subsidized health care
insurance"
are
two different things.

Eisboch


No "other words" are needed. I believe health insurance or a
national
health plan should be mandatory, and if you legitimately cannot
afford the
insurance, it should be subsidized for you and your family to the
degree
necessary.

The hang-up I still have is the difference between a mandatory
health
insurance program and the right to free or subsidized (tax
supported) health
care for life threatening or disabling conditions. Mandatory
health
insurance puts another massive layer of bureaucracy, private or
government,
into the mix. When it comes to getting care, that has never been a
good
thing.

A mandatory health insurance law is in effect here in MA. For
those who
can't afford the subsidized insurance (state programs) it is cheaper
to pay
the fine (assuming the state even enforces the collection of them,
which I
doubt.)

Tough call. I guess my attitude is that those of us that are
fortunate
enough to be able to afford decent health insurance also have a
moral
obligation to assist those who need medical care (though a tax or
increased
insurance premium) for those who cannot afford insurance. But to
subsidize
health *insurance* programs is another matter.

Eisboch

Are you suggesting that those that can afford it pay retail, but
those
who need subsidized care get it through some other method?

Not sure I understand.

The guy lays out a detailed plan to provide health care for all, and
you
bitch about it. Unless you have a better plan, quit criticizing.

What about my post was bitching? Do you actually read or just jerk a
spasmotic knee?

It was a question about clarification, you dweeb, not an accusation or
bitch.


Clarify what? I didn't see a "detailed plan" anywhere, nor any
"bitching."
You gentlemen seem more interested in one-upmanship than real
discussion.
Very disappointing.


Peter, I was asking Richard what he meant by not subsidizing a health
insurance program.

My aim was true but some jerk claimed I was bitching. I think he
should start reading for content and, otherwise STFU.

I don't really give a **** if you're disappointed but perhaps you
should be more accurately so.


Why would you like to subsidize insurance? The insurance industry is
ecstatic over this healthcare bill. They love Obama. Got another 35
million customers. Can charge what they want. Main reason their stock
prices increased 12% in the runup to the passing of the bill.



Bill McKee April 1st 10 04:18 AM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"hk" wrote in message
...


The easy answer and the one used by most modern nations is to lift the
direct burden of providing health care coverage from individuals and
businesses and lay it against society as a whole. That way, individuals
and businesses pay their fair share of a societal cost.


Good grief. I agree with you.

Eisboch

The catch to that, is what part of the health care should society bear?
Breast Augmentation? Tummy tucks? Where does it start and stop? A cold
and sniffles? Those that have to pay, do not go to the doc for every little
sniffle. Then there are those to do.



Peter (Yes, that one) April 1st 10 04:20 AM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 
In article ,
says...


I've survived 60 years of jokes and snerks regarding my nickname (Dick). I
am sure you can handle it.


I've done well enough. There have been times though....

But, just for the record .... where exactly did I "mock" your name?

I recall writing "Prick (or whatever your name is)". I did so because I
suspected (and still do) that you are in reality another person who used to
post here regularly.


I take at face value your saying you were not mocking my name, and
apologize for criticizing you unfairly.
As to my name, you can suspect what you will.
I have given a brief history of my family name in reply to Mr. Schnautz.
I am always exactly who I claim to be.
Years ago - at least a decade - I made some number of posts to various
groups, and some may have been cross posted here.
You might find some by looking for "Peter" or "Pete."
But I don't remember what I posted. I was often drunk.
I did not use the Prick family name then. Too many fights.
I only recently "rediscovered" usenet and after browsing this group
found it an interesting study in newsgroup dynamics.
I was initially interested in buying another boat, but that desire has
dissipated somewhat after reading this group, which might be more
appropriately called rec.anything.but.boats.
Doesn't matter really. There is a wide variety of personalities here,
spanning the wacko spectrum.
I like that, as it reflects real life.
Hopefully, I can get along here, and make a few pals.
Then when I get a boat, organize some raft ups.
Wouldn't it, after all, be a delightful sight to behold Harry, Loogy,
John, and Scotty sitting around a shore site campfire, singing "Michael
Rowed the Boat Ashore," with Loogy and Scotty doing the chorus while
strumming their Fenders, John singing bass, Harry singing tenor?
Maybe Froggy could do some background croaking for atmosphere if no real
frogs are calling, and jps could cuss sotto voce, adding a bit of
rhythm.
There are many, many arrangement possibilities.
I think that's an admirable goal for a group participant to strive for,
and that's the type of boater I would like to be.
I'm sure many here agree with my get-along sentiments.
They just don't want to come out of the protective shells they have
constructed around themselves.
But they are basically good people.
Just takes a little sing-along to bring the good elements out.
A few cases of beer helps too.
But sing-along to get-along is a good motto.
I sure hope Jesse Jackson never said that.


jps April 1st 10 04:41 AM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 21:39:49 -0400, hk
wrote:

On 3/31/10 9:25 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:55:38 -0400,
wrote:

On 3/31/10 5:46 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:28:52 -0400,
wrote:


wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...


I won't bore you again with the tale or details, but I did a survey once
that proved that it would have been less costly for my (former) company
and for the employees if I had simply paid for or re-impursed the cost of
the services that you described to the employees and had a Major Medical
insurance plan to cover serious, catasrophic or life threatening injuries
or illness.

Unfortunately, the state of MA nor the Insurance companies would allow
such a thing.

Eisboch


You once did a survey that proved something. Sure. In one specific case.
But, I guess Mitt didn't like your plan. The one he pushed is much
stronger than the one that just passed. Of course, he's against it after
he was for it.

--
Nom=de=Plume


My company was representative of a typical small business who collectively
employ about 80% of the population. It may have been a specific case, but
it was representative of what happened when HMO type health plans became
popular.

BTW ... the one Mitt signed .... (under a heavily Democratic state populous)
isn't exactly working out very well, particularly for small business. It
has advantages to the insured, but is causing small business to cut back or
avoid growth. Again, since small business is the major employer, it has
ramifications that aren't so good overall.

Maybe small businesses are just going to have to account for the real
cost of doing business, including taking care of the folks who
generate the income.

I'm burdened because I choose to be, no matter the state law. It may
indeed limit my growth but I know whomever is in my employ has a
medical safety net that they can rely on.

Walmart wouldn't be nearly as successful if they accounted for the
true cost of maintaining a human being.

Socialism for the rich.


The easy answer and the one used by most modern nations is to lift the
direct burden of providing health care coverage from individuals and
businesses and lay it against society as a whole. That way, individuals
and businesses pay their fair share of a societal cost.


That's why the reaction from the right is so astounding. This is the
Republican's wet dream of a health care bill. Protect the monied scum
who make a profit by providing nothing but administrative process.

The public option is the only way we're going to see competitive rates
in this country. That'd be a good first step towards the ultimate
goal of single payer.




The GOP doesn't know or care about reform...what is driving the GOP is
its desire to try to stymie Obama wherever and whenever possible, for
purely political reasons. Remember, the GOP is populated by morons like
Ingersoll and Herring who believe the simple-minded nonsense the party
chieftains and elected officials spew. Look at the teabaggers - a
movement of absolute morons.


They're not who concern me. We've shifted so far to the right that a
health care bill based on a Republcan wet dream is considered a
leftist government plot.

We're easily as far to the right as we were to the left when Nixon
founded the EPA.

I sure as **** hope the pendulum has come to rest and ready to move
back to the left.

jps April 1st 10 04:50 AM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:20:54 -0500, "Peter (Yes, that one)"
wrote:

In article ,
says...


I've survived 60 years of jokes and snerks regarding my nickname (Dick). I
am sure you can handle it.


I've done well enough. There have been times though....

But, just for the record .... where exactly did I "mock" your name?

I recall writing "Prick (or whatever your name is)". I did so because I
suspected (and still do) that you are in reality another person who used to
post here regularly.


I take at face value your saying you were not mocking my name, and
apologize for criticizing you unfairly.
As to my name, you can suspect what you will.
I have given a brief history of my family name in reply to Mr. Schnautz.
I am always exactly who I claim to be.
Years ago - at least a decade - I made some number of posts to various
groups, and some may have been cross posted here.
You might find some by looking for "Peter" or "Pete."
But I don't remember what I posted. I was often drunk.
I did not use the Prick family name then. Too many fights.
I only recently "rediscovered" usenet and after browsing this group
found it an interesting study in newsgroup dynamics.
I was initially interested in buying another boat, but that desire has
dissipated somewhat after reading this group, which might be more
appropriately called rec.anything.but.boats.
Doesn't matter really. There is a wide variety of personalities here,
spanning the wacko spectrum.
I like that, as it reflects real life.
Hopefully, I can get along here, and make a few pals.
Then when I get a boat, organize some raft ups.
Wouldn't it, after all, be a delightful sight to behold Harry, Loogy,
John, and Scotty sitting around a shore site campfire, singing "Michael
Rowed the Boat Ashore," with Loogy and Scotty doing the chorus while
strumming their Fenders, John singing bass, Harry singing tenor?
Maybe Froggy could do some background croaking for atmosphere if no real
frogs are calling, and jps could cuss sotto voce, adding a bit of
rhythm.
There are many, many arrangement possibilities.
I think that's an admirable goal for a group participant to strive for,
and that's the type of boater I would like to be.
I'm sure many here agree with my get-along sentiments.
They just don't want to come out of the protective shells they have
constructed around themselves.
But they are basically good people.
Just takes a little sing-along to bring the good elements out.
A few cases of beer helps too.
But sing-along to get-along is a good motto.
I sure hope Jesse Jackson never said that.


That's an adimrable goal but I'd recommend TSA be contracted to
provide metal and explosives detection.

nom=de=plume April 1st 10 05:09 AM

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"hk" wrote in message
...


The easy answer and the one used by most modern nations is to lift the
direct burden of providing health care coverage from individuals and
businesses and lay it against society as a whole. That way, individuals
and businesses pay their fair share of a societal cost.


Good grief. I agree with you.

Eisboch

The catch to that, is what part of the health care should society bear?
Breast Augmentation? Tummy tucks? Where does it start and stop? A cold
and sniffles? Those that have to pay, do not go to the doc for every
little sniffle. Then there are those to do.



So, basically, you're unable to understand the word prevention and can't
comprehend doctors making decisions.

--
Nom=de=Plume



anon-e-moose[_2_] April 1st 10 11:57 AM

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nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
snipped for brevity

A man's character is best known by the number of his friends, not his
enemies.

A good man can have a wealth of enemies.



It can be a requirement.

You are scary weird and crazy. But you already knew that.

anon-e-moose[_2_] April 1st 10 12:09 PM

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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"hk" wrote in message
...

The easy answer and the one used by most modern nations is to lift the
direct burden of providing health care coverage from individuals and
businesses and lay it against society as a whole. That way, individuals
and businesses pay their fair share of a societal cost.

Good grief. I agree with you.

Eisboch

The catch to that, is what part of the health care should society bear?
Breast Augmentation? Tummy tucks? Where does it start and stop? A cold
and sniffles? Those that have to pay, do not go to the doc for every
little sniffle. Then there are those to do.



So, basically, you're unable to understand the word prevention and can't
comprehend doctors making decisions.

So basically, you would expect us to pay for your breast augmentation
because your doctor decided it would improve your self esteem and
thought it was medically necessary. Are you confusing prevention with
early intervention? It seems as if you are.

anon-e-moose[_2_] April 1st 10 12:24 PM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 
Peter (Yes, that one) wrote:
In article ,
says...

I've survived 60 years of jokes and snerks regarding my nickname (Dick). I
am sure you can handle it.


I've done well enough. There have been times though....

But, just for the record .... where exactly did I "mock" your name?

I recall writing "Prick (or whatever your name is)". I did so because I
suspected (and still do) that you are in reality another person who used to
post here regularly.


And Eisboch suspects correctly that Peter Francis Shortwave Harry Tom
Larry Jim Scott Sportfishing Prick has been very busy spoofing the
screen names of others the past several weeks. Shame on him for
disrupting the harmony of rec.boats

I am Tosk April 1st 10 12:48 PM

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In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...


I've survived 60 years of jokes and snerks regarding my nickname (Dick). I
am sure you can handle it.


I've done well enough. There have been times though....

But, just for the record .... where exactly did I "mock" your name?

I recall writing "Prick (or whatever your name is)". I did so because I
suspected (and still do) that you are in reality another person who used to
post here regularly.


I take at face value your saying you were not mocking my name, and
apologize for criticizing you unfairly.
As to my name, you can suspect what you will.
I have given a brief history of my family name in reply to Mr. Schnautz.
I am always exactly who I claim to be.
Years ago - at least a decade - I made some number of posts to various
groups, and some may have been cross posted here.
You might find some by looking for "Peter" or "Pete."
But I don't remember what I posted. I was often drunk.
I did not use the Prick family name then. Too many fights.
I only recently "rediscovered" usenet and after browsing this group
found it an interesting study in newsgroup dynamics.
I was initially interested in buying another boat, but that desire has
dissipated somewhat after reading this group, which might be more
appropriately called rec.anything.but.boats.
Doesn't matter really. There is a wide variety of personalities here,
spanning the wacko spectrum.
I like that, as it reflects real life.
Hopefully, I can get along here, and make a few pals.
Then when I get a boat, organize some raft ups.
Wouldn't it, after all, be a delightful sight to behold Harry, Loogy,
John, and Scotty sitting around a shore site campfire, singing "Michael
Rowed the Boat Ashore," with Loogy and Scotty doing the chorus while
strumming their Fenders, John singing bass, Harry singing tenor?
Maybe Froggy could do some background croaking for atmosphere if no real
frogs are calling, and jps could cuss sotto voce, adding a bit of
rhythm.
There are many, many arrangement possibilities.
I think that's an admirable goal for a group participant to strive for,
and that's the type of boater I would like to be.
I'm sure many here agree with my get-along sentiments.
They just don't want to come out of the protective shells they have
constructed around themselves.
But they are basically good people.
Just takes a little sing-along to bring the good elements out.
A few cases of beer helps too.
But sing-along to get-along is a good motto.
I sure hope Jesse Jackson never said that.


What a long bull**** story...

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...
http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v

Jim April 1st 10 01:00 PM

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anon-e-moose wrote:
Peter (Yes, that one) wrote:
In article ,
says...

I've survived 60 years of jokes and snerks regarding my nickname
(Dick). I am sure you can handle it.


I've done well enough. There have been times though....

But, just for the record .... where exactly did I "mock" your name?

I recall writing "Prick (or whatever your name is)". I did so
because I suspected (and still do) that you are in reality another
person who used to post here regularly.


And Eisboch suspects correctly that Peter Francis Shortwave Harry Tom
Larry Jim Scott Sportfishing Prick has been very busy spoofing the
screen names of others the past several weeks. Shame on him for
disrupting the harmony of rec.boats


One word, friend. Joesparebedroom.

Jim - So far spoof free. The libs know I'm not to be trifled with.

anon-e-moose[_2_] April 1st 10 01:19 PM

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Jim wrote:
anon-e-moose wrote:
Peter (Yes, that one) wrote:
In article ,
says...

I've survived 60 years of jokes and snerks regarding my nickname
(Dick). I am sure you can handle it.

I've done well enough. There have been times though....

But, just for the record .... where exactly did I "mock" your name?

I recall writing "Prick (or whatever your name is)". I did so
because I suspected (and still do) that you are in reality another
person who used to post here regularly.


And Eisboch suspects correctly that Peter Francis Shortwave Harry Tom
Larry Jim Scott Sportfishing Prick has been very busy spoofing the
screen names of others the past several weeks. Shame on him for
disrupting the harmony of rec.boats


One word, friend. Joesparebedroom.

Jim - So far spoof free. The libs know I'm not to be trifled with.



Sorry, he's not smart enough to pull it off. Besides he couldn't get two
layers into a thread without showing us every vulgar word in his
vocabulary. You know, kind of like JPS.

Confession is good for the soul, Tom.



Jim April 1st 10 01:40 PM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 
anon-e-moose wrote:
Jim wrote:
anon-e-moose wrote:
Peter (Yes, that one) wrote:
In article ,
says...

I've survived 60 years of jokes and snerks regarding my nickname
(Dick). I am sure you can handle it.

I've done well enough. There have been times though....

But, just for the record .... where exactly did I "mock" your name?

I recall writing "Prick (or whatever your name is)". I did so
because I suspected (and still do) that you are in reality another
person who used to post here regularly.

And Eisboch suspects correctly that Peter Francis Shortwave Harry Tom
Larry Jim Scott Sportfishing Prick has been very busy spoofing the
screen names of others the past several weeks. Shame on him for
disrupting the harmony of rec.boats


One word, friend. Joesparebedroom.

Jim - So far spoof free. The libs know I'm not to be trifled with.



Sorry, he's not smart enough to pull it off. Besides he couldn't get two
layers into a thread without showing us every vulgar word in his
vocabulary. You know, kind of like JPS.

Confession is good for the soul, Tom.

Nope, not me. Maybe Denninger, Skipper, Gene, or Larry Butler.
Krueger? Spock?

Jim - I'll figure it out.



anon-e-moose[_2_] April 1st 10 01:47 PM

Bliues deny coverage to ill newborn baby
 
Jim wrote:
anon-e-moose wrote:
Jim wrote:
anon-e-moose wrote:
Peter (Yes, that one) wrote:
In article ,
says...

I've survived 60 years of jokes and snerks regarding my nickname
(Dick). I am sure you can handle it.

I've done well enough. There have been times though....

But, just for the record .... where exactly did I "mock" your name?

I recall writing "Prick (or whatever your name is)". I did so
because I suspected (and still do) that you are in reality another
person who used to post here regularly.

And Eisboch suspects correctly that Peter Francis Shortwave Harry
Tom Larry Jim Scott Sportfishing Prick has been very busy spoofing
the screen names of others the past several weeks. Shame on him for
disrupting the harmony of rec.boats

One word, friend. Joesparebedroom.

Jim - So far spoof free. The libs know I'm not to be trifled with.



Sorry, he's not smart enough to pull it off. Besides he couldn't get
two layers into a thread without showing us every vulgar word in his
vocabulary. You know, kind of like JPS.

Confession is good for the soul, Tom.

Nope, not me. Maybe Denninger, Skipper, Gene, or Larry Butler.
Krueger? Spock?

Jim - I'll figure it out.


Spock,maybe?

Canuck57[_9_] April 1st 10 01:58 PM

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On 30/03/2010 12:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"I am wrote in message
...
In ,
says...

On 30/03/2010 4:14 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:50:52 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:45:26 -0400,
wrote:



That works so well for welfare. Breeding more deadbeats and getting
others to pay for it ****es me off. Now you want to add a whole new
level? Welfare checks *and* free health care?

how about welfare for wall street?

you right wingers.....i laugh when i read you because it's obvious
your abso-****in-lutely clueless


I am against that also. Why does Obama give Wall Street all they
want?

because george bush and other rich, white frat boys, rigged the system
so we have no choice. it's either bail out the rich or let the banking
system go down in flames...like in 29.

that's why the banks are fighting so hard against regulation. and why
people like richard shelby, GOP of alabama...are carrying their water
for them. protect the rich

You seem to forget it was democrat congress that created TARP and Obama
was all for it. In fact, he spent the his share (and then some) once in
office.


Funny how the liars here and in the media forget that fact..



Like you? TARP wasn't "created" by Congress. It was passed by Congress. It
was created by Treasury (i.e., Paulson) and was promoted to Congress as
make-or-break funding to stabilize the economy, which, after some revisions
did as advertised.


You are arguing semantecs. If DEMOCRAT congress didn't approve the TARP
it would have DIED. Fact is, democrats like large sums of unaccountable
cash.


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Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.

Canuck57[_9_] April 1st 10 02:02 PM

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On 30/03/2010 3:34 PM, hk wrote:
On 3/30/10 5:30 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:16:31 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...



You seem to forget it was democrat congress that created TARP and Obama
was all for it. In fact, he spent the his share (and then some) once in
office.

Funny how the liars here and in the media forget that fact..


typical right winger. all bitching. no solutions. 25% unemployment?
great. collapse of the economic system? fantastic

as long as the rich are protected.

and TARP was started under bush...he needed to bail out his rich
buddies.



It's theater of the absurd when SnottyScottyTosk whines in on these
posts, since he is unemployed and unemployable, as is, I suspect, Canuck.


Given the times you post, you must be a hanger waiting for the
government bailout of your silly sorry life.

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Canuck57[_9_] April 1st 10 02:05 PM

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On 30/03/2010 9:33 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 3/30/10 8:44 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 29/03/2010 10:17 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
hk wrote:
On 3/29/10 8:47 AM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 3/29/10 8:28 AM, Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
m...

What could be more pathetic than an asshole like Scotty here
whining
about
health care insurance when he doesn't have any and as a result
racked
up
a
$25,000 bill at a local hospital that he will never pay off.


I have no idea if Scotty has insurance or not or what his
arrangement
is
with the hospital.
That's his business and I am not interested in that specific
discussion.

However, doesn't the approved health care reform mean that you, as
a
person
of means, will help pay for the care required by those who have no
insurance
for whatever reasons? I happen to agree with it.

I thought this is what you have been advocating also. Why the
criticism?

Eisboch



My criticism of Scotty is based upon the *fact* of his
irresponsibility,
his unwillingness to obtain health care insurance, his criticism of
attempts to initiate programs to extend health care insurance to the
uninsured, *and* his unwillingness to accept "free" reasonable help
that
was offered to him in a time of need.

I have no objection to my tax dollars going to help subsidize the
cost
of
health insurance for those who legitimately cannot afford it. In
fact,
I
would have gone a lot farther than the legislation signed into law
last
week goes.



So, in other words, your tax dollars to help pay for necessary health
care
is ok with you as long as the person meets your criteria of a
deserving
recipient. Hmmmm. I might be even more left leaning than you in this
regard.

I think " necessary health care" and "subsidized health care
insurance"
are
two different things.

Eisboch



No "other words" are needed. I believe health insurance or a national
health plan should be mandatory, and if you legitimately cannot afford
the insurance, it should be subsidized for you and your family to the
degree necessary.



That works so well for welfare. Breeding more deadbeats and getting
others to pay for it ****es me off. Now you want to add a whole new
level? Welfare checks *and* free health care?


Breeding more deadbeats? Like rats I suppose.

That is more or less how america works these days. Take the one some 8
months ago or so who was fertilized had quints or something, up to 14
kids and on *welfare*.

Welfare and low life have more babies per capita than do middle class
working families.



I think it would be a great idea for you to head over to a working class
neighborhood bar and spew your nonsense. I'd enjoy reading about your
demise in whatever is your local newspaper.

You are ambulatory, right?




Actually the working class people in the bar would agree with Canuck.


I suspect they would. They do at work!!

Something the HK, plume-de-dole and other freeloaders don't understand.
At some point working taxpayers will organize and pull the chain on
liberalism real hard. Might take a few years, but working people are
getting ****ed at the tax rape going on.


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Canuck57[_9_] April 1st 10 02:07 PM

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On 30/03/2010 12:31 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 30/03/2010 12:08 AM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...

nope. taxes are going up on those who make more than 250K...the folks
who benefitted from the recent bubble

So, you are putting a price tag on moral responsibility?

Eisboch



It's a matter of ability. Those who make lots of money have the ability
to
pay more. Where are you getting the morals argument? No, don't answer.

--
Nom=de=Plume


I will anyway. I paid for this computer and internet service, Ms. Plume.

Earlier in this thread I made the statement that I believe that those
with
the ability to pay have a moral responsibility to help those that cannot
when it comes to life threatening or disabling condition medical care.
I
repeat. Medical care.

I do *not* support general tax based programs to provide or subsidize
free
health care insurance via private or government insurance programs.

Big difference between the two.

Eisboch


Eisboch,

Used to be people were grateful for charity, today they think it is a
right and will spit in your face with envy in their hearts when you help.
Many are not deseriving of the charity. They want handouts not hand ups,
unwilling to learn what it takes to be productive they just continue their
loser ways.


Oh be quiet. The adults are speaking.


So who's bitch/slave are you? Or are you a welfare sucking mama?


--
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Canuck57[_9_] April 1st 10 02:08 PM

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On 30/03/2010 12:35 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 29/03/2010 10:24 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 29/03/2010 12:28 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 28/03/2010 7:25 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 28/03/2010 6:26 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:51:01 -0600,
wrote:

So let me ask, if this was a precondition, did they jump on health
care
after getting the ultrasound that showed defects? You know,
subscribe
by convenience? That is, not subscribe until they needed it
freeloading?

notice how the right hates the middle class so much they're willing
to
blame a dying baby for having a 'pre existing condition'?

Don't hate them at all, just don't like the abuse and freeloading.
Which
this case highlights perfectly. Did you do further research? Bet
not.
Turns out these idiots didn't have health care on the mother and
father
as
money there had different priorities. Further, they sought
insurance
AFTER they needed it.

This is a pure case of some low lifes freeloading. Playing the
sympathy
screw for parental negligence. Not having insurance and then when
they
have a problem they subscribe.

Just jacks the rates for the rest of us.

how the hell does a newborn baby have a 'pre existing condition'?
and
what the hell relevance is this? the kid is DYING

but to the right...let him DIE...

Sorry, the parents here are to blame. They should have being
paying
up
long before even getting knocked up.

yep. kill the kid

Nope. Should have saved the kid, jailed the parents in debtors
court.
Obviously the parents would not mortgage their home and persue it
legally,
they don't have a case. And they can't really persue this type of
abuse.

this is why we need socialized medicine

In a weird sort of way, I agree. This was a tragic neglect of
parents
that should not be allowed to happen. But it happens all the time
as
they
think they can cheat the system and get others to pay for it.

Pretty obvious far too many parents have this problem with home
economics.
Time for these people to be forced to pay and do without so they pay
for
their needs, including heath care.

Now think of the millions who get jobs with health care when they
think
they need it yet as soon as they don't... Too much free loading.
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No... you hate them. You hate anyone who isn't like you.


You could have offered to pay for it. How come you didn't? Or is
socialism OK as long as other people pay for it?


You're a moron. I offer to pay more taxes. That's how our system works.
Even
on this newsgroup, I offered to pay for John's utility bill. He wasn't
willing to meet me even 1/4 of the way to getting it done.

How does unemployed offer more taxes? Hell, you could have wired these
welshers $100K for the operation. But yu didn't, because you want other
peoples moneys....


?? What are you ranting about? What does unemployment have to do with a
baby's welfare? Certainly, you're in no position to help, being close to
being homeless?


You didn't answer the question, how come you didn't help them with your
money? I am sure you could contact the hospial and setup a fund with your
money...


You want me to send someone $100K??? Are you just pretending to be dumber
than a stump?

Because in the end this is about extorting others doing it right as you
have no intention of paying for your mouth. Liberalism is fine as long as
someone else is paying for it. Trouble is, you yourself are unwilling as
nothing stops you from seeking out such situations and putting your own
money on the line.

Trouble is, you are a screwed up loser.. probably no money and just a
hanger. So who is your meal ticket? Better treat them real good as they
are what keeps you from the street.


Here's your logic:

Why should we go to school?

School is about acquiring knowledge.
Knowledge is power.
Power corrupts.
Corruption is a crime.
Crime doesn't pay.

Therefore, we shouldn't go to school.


Yep, an how come you use a computer? Write your representative for more
welfare?

Mind you, your verse above has some merit, stupid people make good
government sheep.

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nom=de=plume April 1st 10 06:58 PM

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 30/03/2010 12:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"I am wrote in message
...
In ,
says...

On 30/03/2010 4:14 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:50:52 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:45:26 -0400,
wrote:



That works so well for welfare. Breeding more deadbeats and
getting
others to pay for it ****es me off. Now you want to add a whole
new
level? Welfare checks *and* free health care?

how about welfare for wall street?

you right wingers.....i laugh when i read you because it's obvious
your abso-****in-lutely clueless


I am against that also. Why does Obama give Wall Street all they
want?

because george bush and other rich, white frat boys, rigged the system
so we have no choice. it's either bail out the rich or let the banking
system go down in flames...like in 29.

that's why the banks are fighting so hard against regulation. and why
people like richard shelby, GOP of alabama...are carrying their water
for them. protect the rich

You seem to forget it was democrat congress that created TARP and Obama
was all for it. In fact, he spent the his share (and then some) once
in
office.

Funny how the liars here and in the media forget that fact..



Like you? TARP wasn't "created" by Congress. It was passed by Congress.
It
was created by Treasury (i.e., Paulson) and was promoted to Congress as
make-or-break funding to stabilize the economy, which, after some
revisions
did as advertised.


You are arguing semantecs. If DEMOCRAT congress didn't approve the TARP
it would have DIED. Fact is, democrats like large sums of unaccountable
cash.



Fact is, you're an idiot. You lied about TARP then claim pointing out that
lie is semantics. (learn to spell)

--
Nom=de=Plume



nom=de=plume April 1st 10 07:00 PM

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 30/03/2010 9:33 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 3/30/10 8:44 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 29/03/2010 10:17 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
hk wrote:
On 3/29/10 8:47 AM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 3/29/10 8:28 AM, Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
m...

What could be more pathetic than an asshole like Scotty here
whining
about
health care insurance when he doesn't have any and as a result
racked
up
a
$25,000 bill at a local hospital that he will never pay off.


I have no idea if Scotty has insurance or not or what his
arrangement
is
with the hospital.
That's his business and I am not interested in that specific
discussion.

However, doesn't the approved health care reform mean that you,
as
a
person
of means, will help pay for the care required by those who have
no
insurance
for whatever reasons? I happen to agree with it.

I thought this is what you have been advocating also. Why the
criticism?

Eisboch



My criticism of Scotty is based upon the *fact* of his
irresponsibility,
his unwillingness to obtain health care insurance, his criticism
of
attempts to initiate programs to extend health care insurance to
the
uninsured, *and* his unwillingness to accept "free" reasonable
help
that
was offered to him in a time of need.

I have no objection to my tax dollars going to help subsidize the
cost
of
health insurance for those who legitimately cannot afford it. In
fact,
I
would have gone a lot farther than the legislation signed into law
last
week goes.



So, in other words, your tax dollars to help pay for necessary
health
care
is ok with you as long as the person meets your criteria of a
deserving
recipient. Hmmmm. I might be even more left leaning than you in
this
regard.

I think " necessary health care" and "subsidized health care
insurance"
are
two different things.

Eisboch



No "other words" are needed. I believe health insurance or a
national
health plan should be mandatory, and if you legitimately cannot
afford
the insurance, it should be subsidized for you and your family to
the
degree necessary.



That works so well for welfare. Breeding more deadbeats and getting
others to pay for it ****es me off. Now you want to add a whole new
level? Welfare checks *and* free health care?


Breeding more deadbeats? Like rats I suppose.

That is more or less how america works these days. Take the one some 8
months ago or so who was fertilized had quints or something, up to 14
kids and on *welfare*.

Welfare and low life have more babies per capita than do middle class
working families.


I think it would be a great idea for you to head over to a working class
neighborhood bar and spew your nonsense. I'd enjoy reading about your
demise in whatever is your local newspaper.

You are ambulatory, right?




Actually the working class people in the bar would agree with Canuck.


I suspect they would. They do at work!!

Something the HK, plume-de-dole and other freeloaders don't understand. At
some point working taxpayers will organize and pull the chain on
liberalism real hard. Might take a few years, but working people are
getting ****ed at the tax rape going on.



Since you're not sure, why not wander into a bar and start hurling your
racial epithets. I'd be happy to contribute $100 toward your medical care.

--
Nom=de=Plume



nom=de=plume April 1st 10 07:01 PM

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"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"hk" wrote in message
...

The easy answer and the one used by most modern nations is to lift the
direct burden of providing health care coverage from individuals and
businesses and lay it against society as a whole. That way,
individuals and businesses pay their fair share of a societal cost.

Good grief. I agree with you.

Eisboch

The catch to that, is what part of the health care should society bear?
Breast Augmentation? Tummy tucks? Where does it start and stop? A
cold and sniffles? Those that have to pay, do not go to the doc for
every little sniffle. Then there are those to do.



So, basically, you're unable to understand the word prevention and can't
comprehend doctors making decisions.

So basically, you would expect us to pay for your breast augmentation
because your doctor decided it would improve your self esteem and thought
it was medically necessary. Are you confusing prevention with early
intervention? It seems as if you are.



I'm glad you confirmed that you don't understand simple English.

--
Nom=de=Plume



nom=de=plume April 1st 10 07:01 PM

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"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
snipped for brevity

A man's character is best known by the number of his friends, not his
enemies.

A good man can have a wealth of enemies.



It can be a requirement.

You are scary weird and crazy. But you already knew that.



You're just dumb and probably a stalker.

--
Nom=de=Plume



nom=de=plume April 1st 10 07:02 PM

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 30/03/2010 12:31 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 30/03/2010 12:08 AM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...

nope. taxes are going up on those who make more than 250K...the
folks
who benefitted from the recent bubble

So, you are putting a price tag on moral responsibility?

Eisboch



It's a matter of ability. Those who make lots of money have the
ability
to
pay more. Where are you getting the morals argument? No, don't answer.

--
Nom=de=Plume


I will anyway. I paid for this computer and internet service, Ms.
Plume.

Earlier in this thread I made the statement that I believe that those
with
the ability to pay have a moral responsibility to help those that
cannot
when it comes to life threatening or disabling condition medical care.
I
repeat. Medical care.

I do *not* support general tax based programs to provide or subsidize
free
health care insurance via private or government insurance programs.

Big difference between the two.

Eisboch

Eisboch,

Used to be people were grateful for charity, today they think it is a
right and will spit in your face with envy in their hearts when you
help.
Many are not deseriving of the charity. They want handouts not hand
ups,
unwilling to learn what it takes to be productive they just continue
their
loser ways.


Oh be quiet. The adults are speaking.


So who's bitch/slave are you? Or are you a welfare sucking mama?



Your mom didn't do a very good job raising you did she. You should have your
mouth washed out with soap.

--
Nom=de=Plume



nom=de=plume April 1st 10 07:03 PM

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 30/03/2010 12:35 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 29/03/2010 10:24 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 29/03/2010 12:28 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 28/03/2010 7:25 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 28/03/2010 6:26 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:51:01 -0600,
wrote:

So let me ask, if this was a precondition, did they jump on
health
care
after getting the ultrasound that showed defects? You know,
subscribe
by convenience? That is, not subscribe until they needed it
freeloading?

notice how the right hates the middle class so much they're
willing
to
blame a dying baby for having a 'pre existing condition'?

Don't hate them at all, just don't like the abuse and freeloading.
Which
this case highlights perfectly. Did you do further research? Bet
not.
Turns out these idiots didn't have health care on the mother and
father
as
money there had different priorities. Further, they sought
insurance
AFTER they needed it.

This is a pure case of some low lifes freeloading. Playing the
sympathy
screw for parental negligence. Not having insurance and then when
they
have a problem they subscribe.

Just jacks the rates for the rest of us.

how the hell does a newborn baby have a 'pre existing condition'?
and
what the hell relevance is this? the kid is DYING

but to the right...let him DIE...

Sorry, the parents here are to blame. They should have being
paying
up
long before even getting knocked up.

yep. kill the kid

Nope. Should have saved the kid, jailed the parents in debtors
court.
Obviously the parents would not mortgage their home and persue it
legally,
they don't have a case. And they can't really persue this type of
abuse.

this is why we need socialized medicine

In a weird sort of way, I agree. This was a tragic neglect of
parents
that should not be allowed to happen. But it happens all the time
as
they
think they can cheat the system and get others to pay for it.

Pretty obvious far too many parents have this problem with home
economics.
Time for these people to be forced to pay and do without so they
pay
for
their needs, including heath care.

Now think of the millions who get jobs with health care when they
think
they need it yet as soon as they don't... Too much free loading.
--
--------------
Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.


No... you hate them. You hate anyone who isn't like you.


You could have offered to pay for it. How come you didn't? Or is
socialism OK as long as other people pay for it?


You're a moron. I offer to pay more taxes. That's how our system
works.
Even
on this newsgroup, I offered to pay for John's utility bill. He
wasn't
willing to meet me even 1/4 of the way to getting it done.

How does unemployed offer more taxes? Hell, you could have wired
these
welshers $100K for the operation. But yu didn't, because you want
other
peoples moneys....


?? What are you ranting about? What does unemployment have to do with a
baby's welfare? Certainly, you're in no position to help, being close
to
being homeless?

You didn't answer the question, how come you didn't help them with your
money? I am sure you could contact the hospial and setup a fund with
your
money...


You want me to send someone $100K??? Are you just pretending to be dumber
than a stump?

Because in the end this is about extorting others doing it right as you
have no intention of paying for your mouth. Liberalism is fine as long
as
someone else is paying for it. Trouble is, you yourself are unwilling
as
nothing stops you from seeking out such situations and putting your own
money on the line.

Trouble is, you are a screwed up loser.. probably no money and just a
hanger. So who is your meal ticket? Better treat them real good as
they
are what keeps you from the street.


Here's your logic:

Why should we go to school?

School is about acquiring knowledge.
Knowledge is power.
Power corrupts.
Corruption is a crime.
Crime doesn't pay.

Therefore, we shouldn't go to school.


Yep, an how come you use a computer? Write your representative for more
welfare?

Mind you, your verse above has some merit, stupid people make good
government sheep.

--
--------------
Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.



Mind you, you're an idiot. Oh wait, you have to have a mind to understand.

--
Nom=de=Plume



jps April 1st 10 07:51 PM

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On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 07:05:35 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 30/03/2010 9:33 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 3/30/10 8:44 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 29/03/2010 10:17 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
hk wrote:
On 3/29/10 8:47 AM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 3/29/10 8:28 AM, Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
m...

What could be more pathetic than an asshole like Scotty here
whining
about
health care insurance when he doesn't have any and as a result
racked
up
a
$25,000 bill at a local hospital that he will never pay off.


I have no idea if Scotty has insurance or not or what his
arrangement
is
with the hospital.
That's his business and I am not interested in that specific
discussion.

However, doesn't the approved health care reform mean that you, as
a
person
of means, will help pay for the care required by those who have no
insurance
for whatever reasons? I happen to agree with it.

I thought this is what you have been advocating also. Why the
criticism?

Eisboch



My criticism of Scotty is based upon the *fact* of his
irresponsibility,
his unwillingness to obtain health care insurance, his criticism of
attempts to initiate programs to extend health care insurance to the
uninsured, *and* his unwillingness to accept "free" reasonable help
that
was offered to him in a time of need.

I have no objection to my tax dollars going to help subsidize the
cost
of
health insurance for those who legitimately cannot afford it. In
fact,
I
would have gone a lot farther than the legislation signed into law
last
week goes.



So, in other words, your tax dollars to help pay for necessary health
care
is ok with you as long as the person meets your criteria of a
deserving
recipient. Hmmmm. I might be even more left leaning than you in this
regard.

I think " necessary health care" and "subsidized health care
insurance"
are
two different things.

Eisboch



No "other words" are needed. I believe health insurance or a national
health plan should be mandatory, and if you legitimately cannot afford
the insurance, it should be subsidized for you and your family to the
degree necessary.



That works so well for welfare. Breeding more deadbeats and getting
others to pay for it ****es me off. Now you want to add a whole new
level? Welfare checks *and* free health care?


Breeding more deadbeats? Like rats I suppose.

That is more or less how america works these days. Take the one some 8
months ago or so who was fertilized had quints or something, up to 14
kids and on *welfare*.

Welfare and low life have more babies per capita than do middle class
working families.


I think it would be a great idea for you to head over to a working class
neighborhood bar and spew your nonsense. I'd enjoy reading about your
demise in whatever is your local newspaper.

You are ambulatory, right?




Actually the working class people in the bar would agree with Canuck.


I suspect they would. They do at work!!

Something the HK, plume-de-dole and other freeloaders don't understand.
At some point working taxpayers will organize and pull the chain on
liberalism real hard. Might take a few years, but working people are
getting ****ed at the tax rape going on.


Freeloaders? Your head is so far up your ass, it's pathetic.

When did the "working taxpayers" pull the chain on Bush?

You live in some weird fantasy world where reality has no place.

Go back to Canada.

jps April 1st 10 08:03 PM

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On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 11:01:55 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
.. .
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
snipped for brevity

A man's character is best known by the number of his friends, not his
enemies.

A good man can have a wealth of enemies.


It can be a requirement.

You are scary weird and crazy. But you already knew that.



You're just dumb and probably a stalker.


He's got a supply of depends just in case he needs to go cross country
in a hurry.

While Jim is likely a stalker, he's clearly a buttsniffer.

jps April 1st 10 08:04 PM

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On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 08:19:36 -0400, anon-e-moose
wrote:

Jim wrote:
anon-e-moose wrote:
Peter (Yes, that one) wrote:
In article ,
says...

I've survived 60 years of jokes and snerks regarding my nickname
(Dick). I am sure you can handle it.

I've done well enough. There have been times though....

But, just for the record .... where exactly did I "mock" your name?

I recall writing "Prick (or whatever your name is)". I did so
because I suspected (and still do) that you are in reality another
person who used to post here regularly.

And Eisboch suspects correctly that Peter Francis Shortwave Harry Tom
Larry Jim Scott Sportfishing Prick has been very busy spoofing the
screen names of others the past several weeks. Shame on him for
disrupting the harmony of rec.boats


One word, friend. Joesparebedroom.

Jim - So far spoof free. The libs know I'm not to be trifled with.



Sorry, he's not smart enough to pull it off. Besides he couldn't get two
layers into a thread without showing us every vulgar word in his
vocabulary. You know, kind of like JPS.

Confession is good for the soul, Tom.


Nice try Jim, you ****ing cocksucker.

bpuharic April 1st 10 10:23 PM

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On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 06:58:33 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

d

You are arguing semantecs. If DEMOCRAT congress didn't approve the TARP
it would have DIED. Fact is, democrats like large sums of unaccountable
cash.


as opposed to the GOP that spent triilion in iraq

how'd that work out?


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