This will not end well
 

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 23:17:58 -0300, "Don White"
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On 3/25/10 8:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:14:22 -0300, "Don White"
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:20:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:01:15 -0300, "Don White"
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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:57:03 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
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Looks like the Dems have got more than they bargained for. After
my
last post, I went out with some friends for a beer. I thought I
was
the personal freedom extremist but I was joking about the health
care
thing while a group of 12 of my friends both hard core libs and
conservatives ALL were more angry than I have ever heard people
be at
the govt. One friend who works for the local Dem party was
actually
afraid to show up.

tell 'em to go **** themselves. 2 latest polls, CBS and gallup
show
most americans support the bill

your friends are traitors. tell 'em to move to mexico
if they're unhappy here.

**** 'em

Taxes will immediately start to fund this but the lay-offs due to
it
are already starting.

more bull****. most insurance companies have announced double
digit
premium increases this year. do you think that has no effect on
jobs?

your friends are part of the reason america is becoming like
mexico

People in the private sector are feeling they
are being forced to pay for the lavish lifestyles of govt workers
and
then being taxed on top of it to pay for a govt boondogle.

uh huh. my wife was a govt. lawyer. private sector lawyers get
$150K.
she got 50K.

and your friends want wall street to run healthcare? how'd that
work
for their 401K's?

I expect someone will start putting "Reserved for Congressman so
and
so " on lampposts on the DC mall. When you attack the personal
freedom of Americans do you really expect nothing to happen?

nothing happened when your friends sat by watching their jobs go
overseas, no pay increases for 10 years, and the rich have a 300%
pay
increase in the last decade

stupid *******s. let 'em go to mexico. america will be better
without
them

When
most Americans now blame the Dems for the bad economy and then
they do
something like this to make it worse do you think Americans will
just
lie down and take it?

they always have...when we bailed out the rich. these idiots love
the
rich...they'd sacrifice their kids to protect the rich.

assholes


The US of A is a scary place.
Health should be a basic right of all citizens...just like public
schools,
police& fire protection etc, yet the lunatic fringe are hurling
the
hatred
towards this overdue development that they should have aimed at the
Wall
Street crowd and the idiots that sent you to Iraq.
The true traitors are the ones trying to stop universal health care
and
should be treated as such.


"Health" has always been a basic right.


Yet we let 45K a year die from lack of it... try and be consistent at
least.

In nearly all cases, when a person dies, it's for "lack" of "health."
You might try re-reading what I wrote. Reading John Locke may help as
well.

Most people realize that you need a little professional 'care' once in
a
while to maintain 'good health'.


Most people realize that nobody has a 'right' to the services of
others.


Most people who live in modern countries but not in the United States
have the right of access to good medical care, which includes the
services of others.

While we were overseas a few years ago, I required some minor surgery
that involved an exam, cleaning out a wound from an accidental cut, a
tetanus shot and stitches. My visit to the doctor cost me about $15.00.
The rest, I was told, would be covered by the national health service.

Do those "modern" countries compel their professionals to surrender
their services to others?

No more so than teachers, police, firefighters...etc, etc.


So, these are compelled to surrender their services?

This will not end well
 

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:47:10 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:16:19 -0400, hk
wrote:

On 3/25/10 8:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:14:22 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:20:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:01:15 -0300, "Don White"
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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:57:03 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Looks like the Dems have got more than they bargained for. After
my
last post, I went out with some friends for a beer. I thought I
was
the personal freedom extremist but I was joking about the health
care
thing while a group of 12 of my friends both hard core libs and
conservatives ALL were more angry than I have ever heard people
be at
the govt. One friend who works for the local Dem party was
actually
afraid to show up.

tell 'em to go **** themselves. 2 latest polls, CBS and gallup
show
most americans support the bill

your friends are traitors. tell 'em to move to mexico
if they're unhappy here.

**** 'em

Taxes will immediately start to fund this but the lay-offs due to
it
are already starting.

more bull****. most insurance companies have announced double
digit
premium increases this year. do you think that has no effect on
jobs?

your friends are part of the reason america is becoming like
mexico

People in the private sector are feeling they
are being forced to pay for the lavish lifestyles of govt workers
and
then being taxed on top of it to pay for a govt boondogle.

uh huh. my wife was a govt. lawyer. private sector lawyers get
$150K.
she got 50K.

and your friends want wall street to run healthcare? how'd that
work
for their 401K's?

I expect someone will start putting "Reserved for Congressman so
and
so " on lampposts on the DC mall. When you attack the personal
freedom of Americans do you really expect nothing to happen?

nothing happened when your friends sat by watching their jobs go
overseas, no pay increases for 10 years, and the rich have a 300%
pay
increase in the last decade

stupid *******s. let 'em go to mexico. america will be better
without
them

When
most Americans now blame the Dems for the bad economy and then
they do
something like this to make it worse do you think Americans will
just
lie down and take it?

they always have...when we bailed out the rich. these idiots love
the
rich...they'd sacrifice their kids to protect the rich.

assholes


The US of A is a scary place.
Health should be a basic right of all citizens...just like public
schools,
police& fire protection etc, yet the lunatic fringe are hurling
the
hatred
towards this overdue development that they should have aimed at the
Wall
Street crowd and the idiots that sent you to Iraq.
The true traitors are the ones trying to stop universal health care
and
should be treated as such.


"Health" has always been a basic right.


Yet we let 45K a year die from lack of it... try and be consistent at
least.

In nearly all cases, when a person dies, it's for "lack" of "health."
You might try re-reading what I wrote. Reading John Locke may help as
well.

Most people realize that you need a little professional 'care' once in
a
while to maintain 'good health'.


Most people realize that nobody has a 'right' to the services of
others.


Most people who live in modern countries but not in the United States
have the right of access to good medical care, which includes the
services of others.

While we were overseas a few years ago, I required some minor surgery
that involved an exam, cleaning out a wound from an accidental cut, a
tetanus shot and stitches. My visit to the doctor cost me about $15.00.
The rest, I was told, would be covered by the national health service.

Do those "modern" countries compel their professionals to surrender
their services to others?


Stop making stupid arguments. Everyone is getting paid.

So your "right" then is a fundamental, undeniable entitlement to
governmental largesse?

This will not end well
 

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 23:17:58 -0300, "Don White"
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:16:19 -0400, hk
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On 3/25/10 8:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:14:22 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:20:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:01:15 -0300, "Don White"
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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:57:03 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Looks like the Dems have got more than they bargained for.
After
my
last post, I went out with some friends for a beer. I thought
I
was
the personal freedom extremist but I was joking about the
health
care
thing while a group of 12 of my friends both hard core libs and
conservatives ALL were more angry than I have ever heard people
be at
the govt. One friend who works for the local Dem party was
actually
afraid to show up.

tell 'em to go **** themselves. 2 latest polls, CBS and gallup
show
most americans support the bill

your friends are traitors. tell 'em to move to mexico
if they're unhappy here.

**** 'em

Taxes will immediately start to fund this but the lay-offs due
to
it
are already starting.

more bull****. most insurance companies have announced double
digit
premium increases this year. do you think that has no effect on
jobs?

your friends are part of the reason america is becoming like
mexico

People in the private sector are feeling they
are being forced to pay for the lavish lifestyles of govt
workers
and
then being taxed on top of it to pay for a govt boondogle.

uh huh. my wife was a govt. lawyer. private sector lawyers get
$150K.
she got 50K.

and your friends want wall street to run healthcare? how'd that
work
for their 401K's?

I expect someone will start putting "Reserved for Congressman
so
and
so " on lampposts on the DC mall. When you attack the personal
freedom of Americans do you really expect nothing to happen?

nothing happened when your friends sat by watching their jobs go
overseas, no pay increases for 10 years, and the rich have a
300%
pay
increase in the last decade

stupid *******s. let 'em go to mexico. america will be better
without
them

When
most Americans now blame the Dems for the bad economy and then
they do
something like this to make it worse do you think Americans
will
just
lie down and take it?

they always have...when we bailed out the rich. these idiots
love
the
rich...they'd sacrifice their kids to protect the rich.

assholes


The US of A is a scary place.
Health should be a basic right of all citizens...just like public
schools,
police& fire protection etc, yet the lunatic fringe are hurling
the
hatred
towards this overdue development that they should have aimed at
the
Wall
Street crowd and the idiots that sent you to Iraq.
The true traitors are the ones trying to stop universal health
care
and
should be treated as such.


"Health" has always been a basic right.


Yet we let 45K a year die from lack of it... try and be consistent
at
least.

In nearly all cases, when a person dies, it's for "lack" of
"health."
You might try re-reading what I wrote. Reading John Locke may help
as
well.

Most people realize that you need a little professional 'care' once
in
a
while to maintain 'good health'.


Most people realize that nobody has a 'right' to the services of
others.


Most people who live in modern countries but not in the United States
have the right of access to good medical care, which includes the
services of others.

While we were overseas a few years ago, I required some minor surgery
that involved an exam, cleaning out a wound from an accidental cut, a
tetanus shot and stitches. My visit to the doctor cost me about $15.00.
The rest, I was told, would be covered by the national health service.

Do those "modern" countries compel their professionals to surrender
their services to others?

No more so than teachers, police, firefighters...etc, etc.


So, these are compelled to surrender their services?

My experience with most people in gov't or public service is that they
gladly offer their services for a minimal stipend.

This will not end well
 

In article ,
says...


So, these are compelled to surrender their services?

Quit insulting rec.boats with your peurile mutterings.
Nobody is compelled to do anything.
That's your fantasy.
Go find suckers elsewhere for your Brooklyn bridges.
You won't find customers here.

Peter

This will not end well
 

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 23:43:42 -0300, "Don White"
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 23:17:58 -0300, "Don White"
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:16:19 -0400, hk
wrote:

On 3/25/10 8:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:14:22 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:20:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:01:15 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:57:03 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Looks like the Dems have got more than they bargained for.
After
my
last post, I went out with some friends for a beer. I thought
I
was
the personal freedom extremist but I was joking about the
health
care
thing while a group of 12 of my friends both hard core libs and
conservatives ALL were more angry than I have ever heard people
be at
the govt. One friend who works for the local Dem party was
actually
afraid to show up.

tell 'em to go **** themselves. 2 latest polls, CBS and gallup
show
most americans support the bill

your friends are traitors. tell 'em to move to mexico
if they're unhappy here.

**** 'em

Taxes will immediately start to fund this but the lay-offs due
to
it
are already starting.

more bull****. most insurance companies have announced double
digit
premium increases this year. do you think that has no effect on
jobs?

your friends are part of the reason america is becoming like
mexico

People in the private sector are feeling they
are being forced to pay for the lavish lifestyles of govt
workers
and
then being taxed on top of it to pay for a govt boondogle.

uh huh. my wife was a govt. lawyer. private sector lawyers get
$150K.
she got 50K.

and your friends want wall street to run healthcare? how'd that
work
for their 401K's?

I expect someone will start putting "Reserved for Congressman
so
and
so " on lampposts on the DC mall. When you attack the personal
freedom of Americans do you really expect nothing to happen?

nothing happened when your friends sat by watching their jobs go
overseas, no pay increases for 10 years, and the rich have a
300%
pay
increase in the last decade

stupid *******s. let 'em go to mexico. america will be better
without
them

When
most Americans now blame the Dems for the bad economy and then
they do
something like this to make it worse do you think Americans
will
just
lie down and take it?

they always have...when we bailed out the rich. these idiots
love
the
rich...they'd sacrifice their kids to protect the rich.

assholes


The US of A is a scary place.
Health should be a basic right of all citizens...just like public
schools,
police& fire protection etc, yet the lunatic fringe are hurling
the
hatred
towards this overdue development that they should have aimed at
the
Wall
Street crowd and the idiots that sent you to Iraq.
The true traitors are the ones trying to stop universal health
care
and
should be treated as such.


"Health" has always been a basic right.


Yet we let 45K a year die from lack of it... try and be consistent
at
least.

In nearly all cases, when a person dies, it's for "lack" of
"health."
You might try re-reading what I wrote. Reading John Locke may help
as
well.

Most people realize that you need a little professional 'care' once
in
a
while to maintain 'good health'.


Most people realize that nobody has a 'right' to the services of
others.


Most people who live in modern countries but not in the United States
have the right of access to good medical care, which includes the
services of others.

While we were overseas a few years ago, I required some minor surgery
that involved an exam, cleaning out a wound from an accidental cut, a
tetanus shot and stitches. My visit to the doctor cost me about $15.00.
The rest, I was told, would be covered by the national health service.

Do those "modern" countries compel their professionals to surrender
their services to others?

No more so than teachers, police, firefighters...etc, etc.


So, these are compelled to surrender their services?

My experience with most people in gov't or public service is that they
gladly offer their services for a minimal stipend.


It's hard for me to see how a citizen can have a "right" to health
care if healthcare services are offered at the discretion of the
provider, for compensation or otherwise. If healthcare were a
"right," healthcare providers implicitly would be required to
surrender their services. If not the healthcare provider, some third
party would be required to surrender resources to accomodate your
"right."

This will not end well
 

On 3/25/2010 7:19 PM, Don White wrote:
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On 3/25/2010 9:50 AM, hk wrote:
On 3/25/10 9:48 AM, hk wrote:
Don White wrote:
"bpuharic"

assholes


The US of A is a scary place.
Health should be a basic right of all citizens...just like public
schools, police& fire protection etc, yet the lunatic fringe are
hurling the hatred towards this overdue development that they should
have aimed at the Wall Street crowd and the idiots that sent you to
Iraq.
The true traitors are the ones trying to stop universal health care
and should be treated as such.


You have no idea how much I missed you Don. Welcome back.


ID Spoofer active again, eh?

Damn, now there are two right wing spoofing turds crawling out of the
cesspool. Go back where you came from. My guess is the Don White is
another damn spoofing asshole.


...and as usual you are dead wrong. Is that you..Looney?



I am just a little bit wrong, my statement is completely correct, except
for the word "spoofing"