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On 24/03/2010 5:03 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:50:37 -0400, wrote:

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest point in 5
weeks.

Yup the insurance company stocks are up 50% since they passed the
Senate bill.
United HC and Aetna both went from the low 20s to the mid 30s.
We really got even with those *******s huh?
This will go down as the insurance, hospital and pharmaceutical
conglomerate stimulus package of 2010.

That pretty much says it all right there. **** Obama, **** Pelosi, and
the rest of the bought and paid for administration...

Scotty

Maybe Pelosi got some and that is why she smiles a lot.

Pretty much the best shortest explaination going, bought and paid for
administration. Maybe this is all a ruse to dump what the insurance
companies don't want on the taxpayer or the nationalization of health
care...

After all, Obama has auto and banks, up the size of health care as
America moves to corrupt marxist/socialism. Has a pretty good handle in
the expsnsive things in peoples lives.


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In article ,
says...

On 23/03/2010 6:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:08:59 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:




How are they going to cut Medicare? Medicare people vote at a higher
percentage than others. And they already said they are going to fix the
drug donut hole. How is that going to reduce costs?

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest point in 5
weeks.


Market always moves in advance. Look at last Friday.

But you know squat of investing, so quite the liberal BS. Go back to
you naitivity and Obama worship.

Debt, who would have thought America would be at war from within with
debt mongers.

China said they would do just that decades ago. They were going to bring
us down "without even firing a shot". The sheeples are following the
idiots in the White House straight to the slaughter. China needs our
land to grow food, and when the collapse comes, they will "save us" or
enslave us. Either way, bend over, change is here.

Scotty

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On Mar 24, 9:17*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...







On 23/03/2010 6:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:08:59 -0700, "CalifBill"
*wrote:

How are they going to cut Medicare? *Medicare people vote at a higher
percentage than others. *And they already said they are going to fix the
drug donut hole. *How is that going to reduce costs?

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest point in 5
weeks.

Market always moves in advance. *Look at last Friday.

But you know squat of investing, so quite the liberal BS. *Go back to
you naitivity and Obama worship.

Debt, who would have thought America would be at war from within with
debt mongers.

China said they would do just that decades ago. They were going to bring
us down "without even firing a shot". The sheeples are following the
idiots in the White House straight to the slaughter. China needs our
land to grow food, and when the collapse comes, they will "save us" or
enslave us. Either way, bend over, change is here.

Scotty

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- Show quoted text -

Pssssst...... want to know where a BIG portion of that China debt came
from?

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In article 735fef65-951b-471b-8944-1d99fdb4cac8
@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...

On Mar 24, 9:17*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...







On 23/03/2010 6:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:08:59 -0700, "CalifBill"
*wrote:

How are they going to cut Medicare? *Medicare people vote at a higher
percentage than others. *And they already said they are going to fix the
drug donut hole. *How is that going to reduce costs?

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest point in 5
weeks.

Market always moves in advance. *Look at last Friday.

But you know squat of investing, so quite the liberal BS. *Go back to
you naitivity and Obama worship.

Debt, who would have thought America would be at war from within with
debt mongers.

China said they would do just that decades ago. They were going to bring
us down "without even firing a shot". The sheeples are following the
idiots in the White House straight to the slaughter. China needs our
land to grow food, and when the collapse comes, they will "save us" or
enslave us. Either way, bend over, change is here.

Scotty

--
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- Show quoted text -

Pssssst...... want to know where a BIG portion of that China debt came
from?

Don't tell me, George Bush and Rush Limbaugh, right??? And of course
Bush set up all of the devices for decades which led up to this.. Yep,
he was selling out our workforce while still in grade school...
Pfffftttt...

Scotty

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 23/03/2010 6:35 PM, bpuharic wrote:

actually it's going to reduce healthcare costs over the next decade.
this moron knows zip about economics

You liberals are so naive. And Obama is spending $1.7 trillion more than
he has to spend for the second year in a row but WTF he is saving money...
ya right. In reality he will overspend America into bankruptcy even more
next year. Until America is broke.

Even the IMF can't bailout the USA.

You idiots have to stop watching big mouth Obama's lips and watches how he
walks. You are too easy to lead down the garden path.

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You're really, really dumb. I know you don't make this up, so you must be
getting it from some blog.

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wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:37:35 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

They have been trying to cut fraud and abuse in government since
George Washington and the scammers always manage to stay one step
ahead of the cops.

So that justifies giving up on the problem? There will always be crime.

In the case of Medicare, in the 80s Medicare did tighten up on fraud
and doctors stopped taking Medicare patients because the paperwork was
too cumbersome and Medicare was "slow pay".
When they streamlined the payments, fraud soared again.
Right now they call Medicare "pay and chase". They pay out
questionable claims and chase the guy after it is proven to be fraud.
By then the crook is long gone.

And, it can be addressed, but there's no absolute cure. Doesn't mean we
should sit on our hands.


I have no problem with trying to stop the crime but I am not confident
that we will stop a half a trillion of it in the next decade. I doubt
the fraud and waste number will be any better in 2020 than it is now.


Fixing the donut hole will probably help in the long run, since lots of
people in that situation stop buying the meds they need, they get sick,
and
end up having more expensive procedures.

Personally I think most seniors are over medicated in the first place.


Fortunately, you're not the one prescribing in the dr. office.


No the drug salesman does it.

You can always tell what you are going to walk out of there with by
looking at the logos on the pens, pads and posters around the office.

It certainly does not help that the patients are inundated with ads on
TV for pills they may or may not need. There does not seem to be any
incentive for the doctor not to give them anything they ask for.
Most people would be better off with older, less powerful medications
that come with fewer side effects but they seem to want the latest and
greatest ... as long as their prescription plan covers it.



$50B a year isn't that difficult to find if the tools are in place to look.
What really gets me is the notion that Obama (actually Congress) is spending
$940B immediately. It's over 10 years. And, the CBO is estimating a deficit
reduction over the same period of about $138B. Without the $940B, the cost
would be a lot higher. Over the following 10 years, the cost savings
approach $1.3T. The Republicans voted against PayGo. So, they're
uninterested in saving money because it _might_ mean Obama would get partial
credit.

FYI, just because you get lobbied (e.g., drs), doesn't mean you're in the
pocket of the lobbiests. Most drs have their patients in mind first.

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wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:50:37 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest point in 5
weeks.

Yup the insurance company stocks are up 50% since they passed the
Senate bill.
United HC and Aetna both went from the low 20s to the mid 30s.
We really got even with those *******s huh?
This will go down as the insurance, hospital and pharmaceutical
conglomerate stimulus package of 2010.


You're claiming that the benefits of the bill aren't going to help people?
What's wrong with ins. companies making money? My opinion is that they need
to be regulated more, but that will come.

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"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:50:37 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest point in 5
weeks.

Yup the insurance company stocks are up 50% since they passed the
Senate bill.
United HC and Aetna both went from the low 20s to the mid 30s.
We really got even with those *******s huh?
This will go down as the insurance, hospital and pharmaceutical
conglomerate stimulus package of 2010.

That pretty much says it all right there. **** Obama, **** Pelosi, and
the rest of the bought and paid for administration...

Scotty

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And, **** the poor and the middle class. Obviously, you don't care and
neither do the Republicans.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 23/03/2010 6:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:08:59 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:




How are they going to cut Medicare? Medicare people vote at a higher
percentage than others. And they already said they are going to fix the
drug donut hole. How is that going to reduce costs?

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest point in 5
weeks.


Market always moves in advance. Look at last Friday.

But you know squat of investing, so quite the liberal BS. Go back to you
naitivity and Obama worship.

Debt, who would have thought America would be at war from within with debt
mongers.

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You have no clue. The market doesn't "always" move in advance. The "market"
is made up of lots of different groups. The "market" is driven by confidence
and mainly reacts to forces already at work.

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"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

On 23/03/2010 6:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:08:59 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:




How are they going to cut Medicare? Medicare people vote at a higher
percentage than others. And they already said they are going to fix
the
drug donut hole. How is that going to reduce costs?

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest point in 5
weeks.


Market always moves in advance. Look at last Friday.

But you know squat of investing, so quite the liberal BS. Go back to
you naitivity and Obama worship.

Debt, who would have thought America would be at war from within with
debt mongers.

China said they would do just that decades ago. They were going to bring
us down "without even firing a shot". The sheeples are following the
idiots in the White House straight to the slaughter. China needs our
land to grow food, and when the collapse comes, they will "save us" or
enslave us. Either way, bend over, change is here.

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v


Gotta find a scapegoat don't you. Must be Obama and China. How about looking
in the mirror. Don't scare yourself.

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On Mar 24, 10:47*am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 735fef65-951b-471b-8944-1d99fdb4cac8
@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...







On Mar 24, 9:17*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 23/03/2010 6:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:08:59 -0700, "CalifBill"
*wrote:

How are they going to cut Medicare? *Medicare people vote at a higher
percentage than others. *And they already said they are going to fix the
drug donut hole. *How is that going to reduce costs?

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest point in 5
weeks.

Market always moves in advance. *Look at last Friday.

But you know squat of investing, so quite the liberal BS. *Go back to
you naitivity and Obama worship.

Debt, who would have thought America would be at war from within with
debt mongers.

China said they would do just that decades ago. They were going to bring
us down "without even firing a shot". The sheeples are following the
idiots in the White House straight to the slaughter. China needs our
land to grow food, and when the collapse comes, they will "save us" or
enslave us. Either way, bend over, change is here.

Scotty

--
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- Show quoted text -

Pssssst...... want to know where a BIG portion of that China debt came
from?

Don't tell me, George Bush and Rush Limbaugh, right??? And of course
Bush set up all of the devices for decades which led up to this.. Yep,
he was selling out our workforce while still in grade school...
Pfffftttt...

Scotty

--
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- Show quoted text -

Uh, it WAS George Bush. Borrowed $2.5 Trillion dollars to get the guy
that dissed his daddy.

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In article 0391c2ca-003f-4497-9039-777bdef66c00
@l25g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...

On Mar 24, 10:47*am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 735fef65-951b-471b-8944-1d99fdb4cac8
@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...







On Mar 24, 9:17*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 23/03/2010 6:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:08:59 -0700, "CalifBill"
*wrote:

How are they going to cut Medicare? *Medicare people vote at a higher
percentage than others. *And they already said they are going to fix the
drug donut hole. *How is that going to reduce costs?

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest point in 5
weeks.

Market always moves in advance. *Look at last Friday.

But you know squat of investing, so quite the liberal BS. *Go back to
you naitivity and Obama worship.

Debt, who would have thought America would be at war from within with
debt mongers.

China said they would do just that decades ago. They were going to bring
us down "without even firing a shot". The sheeples are following the
idiots in the White House straight to the slaughter. China needs our
land to grow food, and when the collapse comes, they will "save us" or
enslave us. Either way, bend over, change is here.

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pssssst...... want to know where a BIG portion of that China debt came
from?

Don't tell me, George Bush and Rush Limbaugh, right??? And of course
Bush set up all of the devices for decades which led up to this.. Yep,
he was selling out our workforce while still in grade school...
Pfffftttt...

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, it WAS George Bush. Borrowed $2.5 Trillion dollars to get the guy
that dissed his daddy.

And Obama is gonna' give 12 trillion to the unions, big business, Wall
street and other various organizations who elected him.. So what? Let me
do the math here... 2.5 trillion is uh, oh yeah, less than 12 trillion.
Oooops, another justification cut off at the knees.

Scotty

--
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:50:57 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:50:37 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest point in 5
weeks.

Yup the insurance company stocks are up 50% since they passed the
Senate bill.
United HC and Aetna both went from the low 20s to the mid 30s.
We really got even with those *******s huh?
This will go down as the insurance, hospital and pharmaceutical
conglomerate stimulus package of 2010.

gee. the dow includes more than insurance companies

but that's a fact. and right whiners dont do facts. only liberals do


Yes the DOW has more than insurance and medical companies, but they are what
drove the jump. 100 pts. is not a big percentage.

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On Mar 24, 2:14*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 0391c2ca-003f-4497-9039-777bdef66c00
@l25g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...







On Mar 24, 10:47 am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 735fef65-951b-471b-8944-1d99fdb4cac8
@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...

On Mar 24, 9:17 am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 23/03/2010 6:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:08:59 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:

How are they going to cut Medicare? Medicare people vote at a higher
percentage than others. And they already said they are going to fix the
drug donut hole. How is that going to reduce costs?

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest point in 5
weeks.

Market always moves in advance. Look at last Friday.

But you know squat of investing, so quite the liberal BS. Go back to
you naitivity and Obama worship.

Debt, who would have thought America would be at war from within with
debt mongers.

China said they would do just that decades ago. They were going to bring
us down "without even firing a shot". The sheeples are following the
idiots in the White House straight to the slaughter. China needs our
land to grow food, and when the collapse comes, they will "save us" or
enslave us. Either way, bend over, change is here.

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v-Hidequoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pssssst...... want to know where a BIG portion of that China debt came
from?

Don't tell me, George Bush and Rush Limbaugh, right??? And of course
Bush set up all of the devices for decades which led up to this.. Yep,
he was selling out our workforce while still in grade school...
Pfffftttt...

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, it WAS George Bush. Borrowed $2.5 Trillion dollars to get the guy
that dissed his daddy.

And Obama is gonna' give 12 trillion to the unions, big business, Wall
street and other various organizations who elected him.. So what? Let me
do the math here... 2.5 trillion is uh, oh yeah, less than 12 trillion.
Oooops, another justification cut off at the knees.

Scotty

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- Show quoted text -

So, if it's a certain amount, it's okay to borrow from China? What is
the amount to not exceed? Lemme guess, 2.5 trillion? OR is it that
it's okay if a Republican does it, but not if a Democrat does it? Do
you think that only liberals give money "to the various organizations
who elected him"? OR is it just that he's a democrat? You DO realize
that more republicans have been keelhauled for that than democrats
don't you?

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:44:57 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 22/03/2010 9:33 PM, wrote:

The problem is "the law" can easily change and make the projection
wildly wrong. That is what happened to Medicare. Once they got the
framework in place it became a Christmas tree that everyone could hang
ornaments on. That is the fear with this bill. The congress is already
saying they are going to "fix all the problems" that were created to
get it passed in the first place. I am sure all of the cost saving
devices will be the first things to go, like the Medicare cuts, the
tax increases and the limits on what they grant the states.

Good annology. And he reason they don't want it in a seperate fund is
so they can hide the skiming as they ask for more, and more taxes. Foot
is now in the door, going to be hard now to stop.

of course, this idea is testable. has this been done with social
security? nope. medicare? nope

so he's full of ****.

They will. When the tax bill arrives people will be ****ed to no end.

actually it's going to reduce healthcare costs over the next decade.
this moron knows zip about economics

It will not be just income tax, sin taxes, utilities, gas and like EVERY
other nation with a statism government VAT, a national sales tax. At
some point government will go for a national sales tax.

as if we 're not already payin for healthcare...twice what other
countries pay

more proof the moron knows nothing except what he hears on talk radio


Europe has a shortage of doctors. They immigrate to countries that pay a
decent rate. The only docs you will see in the future, unless we make
medical school free, will be those from 3rd world countries.

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In article ca59d1e6-0e32-4b7b-b673-
,
says...

On Mar 24, 2:14*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 0391c2ca-003f-4497-9039-777bdef66c00
@l25g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...







On Mar 24, 10:47 am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 735fef65-951b-471b-8944-1d99fdb4cac8
@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...

On Mar 24, 9:17 am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 23/03/2010 6:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:08:59 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:

How are they going to cut Medicare? Medicare people vote at a higher
percentage than others. And they already said they are going to fix the
drug donut hole. How is that going to reduce costs?

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest point in 5
weeks.

Market always moves in advance. Look at last Friday.

But you know squat of investing, so quite the liberal BS. Go back to
you naitivity and Obama worship.

Debt, who would have thought America would be at war from within with
debt mongers.

China said they would do just that decades ago. They were going to bring
us down "without even firing a shot". The sheeples are following the
idiots in the White House straight to the slaughter. China needs our
land to grow food, and when the collapse comes, they will "save us" or
enslave us. Either way, bend over, change is here.

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v-Hidequoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pssssst...... want to know where a BIG portion of that China debt came
from?

Don't tell me, George Bush and Rush Limbaugh, right??? And of course
Bush set up all of the devices for decades which led up to this.. Yep,
he was selling out our workforce while still in grade school...
Pfffftttt...

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, it WAS George Bush. Borrowed $2.5 Trillion dollars to get the guy
that dissed his daddy.

And Obama is gonna' give 12 trillion to the unions, big business, Wall
street and other various organizations who elected him.. So what? Let me
do the math here... 2.5 trillion is uh, oh yeah, less than 12 trillion.
Oooops, another justification cut off at the knees.

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, if it's a certain amount, it's okay to borrow from China? What is
the amount to not exceed? Lemme guess, 2.5 trillion? OR is it that
it's okay if a Republican does it, but not if a Democrat does it? Do
you think that only liberals give money "to the various organizations
who elected him"? OR is it just that he's a democrat? You DO realize
that more republicans have been keelhauled for that than democrats
don't you?

The difference is about 600% or what you might say is "extended, or over
extended beyond recovery"...

Scotty

--
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In article ,
says...

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:50:57 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:50:37 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest point in 5
weeks.

Yup the insurance company stocks are up 50% since they passed the
Senate bill.
United HC and Aetna both went from the low 20s to the mid 30s.
We really got even with those *******s huh?
This will go down as the insurance, hospital and pharmaceutical
conglomerate stimulus package of 2010.

gee. the dow includes more than insurance companies

but that's a fact. and right whiners dont do facts. only liberals do


Yes the DOW has more than insurance and medical companies, but they are what
drove the jump. 100 pts. is not a big percentage.

Well, really nobody said the whole stock market went up. If you "read
the frekin' post" above you will see that someone gave facts and figures
about insurance companies that went up. The bpuharic interjected the
stock market arguement to muddy the facts and avoid adressing them.
Either way, it doesn't change the fact that the big insurance companies
and big pharma made out like bandits. This was their T.A.R.P. as it
were. It will allow them to get rid of any business that is not so
profitable and raise their rates on the ones that are left, just like
the big banks did last year when they got theirs...

Scotty

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 06:55:34 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/03/2010 6:35 PM, bpuharic wrote:

actually it's going to reduce healthcare costs over the next decade.
this moron knows zip about economics

You liberals are so naive. And Obama is spending $1.7 trillion more
than he has to spend for the second year in a row but WTF he is saving
money... ya right. In reality he will overspend America into bankruptcy
even more next year. Until America is broke.

Even the IMF can't bailout the USA.

You idiots have to stop watching big mouth Obama's lips and watches how
he walks. You are too easy to lead down the garden path.

Do you have another group that you *contribute* to that targets
Canadian misuse of taxpayer funds?

Do you spend as much time there as you do on rec.boats complaining
about what oiur country does with its tax revenues?

Do you know our biggest trading partner is Canada? 38 Billion dollars
in trade.

Carp away but shouldn't you be working to improve your own lot?

Are you so rejected by your own that you have to find some other
country to bitch about?

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CalifBill wrote:
"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:44:57 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 22/03/2010 9:33 PM, wrote:

The problem is "the law" can easily change and make the projection
wildly wrong. That is what happened to Medicare. Once they got the
framework in place it became a Christmas tree that everyone could hang
ornaments on. That is the fear with this bill. The congress is already
saying they are going to "fix all the problems" that were created to
get it passed in the first place. I am sure all of the cost saving
devices will be the first things to go, like the Medicare cuts, the
tax increases and the limits on what they grant the states.
Good annology. And he reason they don't want it in a seperate fund is
so they can hide the skiming as they ask for more, and more taxes. Foot
is now in the door, going to be hard now to stop.

of course, this idea is testable. has this been done with social
security? nope. medicare? nope

so he's full of ****.

They will. When the tax bill arrives people will be ****ed to no end.
actually it's going to reduce healthcare costs over the next decade.
this moron knows zip about economics

It will not be just income tax, sin taxes, utilities, gas and like EVERY
other nation with a statism government VAT, a national sales tax. At
some point government will go for a national sales tax.
as if we 're not already payin for healthcare...twice what other
countries pay

more proof the moron knows nothing except what he hears on talk radio


Europe has a shortage of doctors. They immigrate to countries that pay a
decent rate. The only docs you will see in the future, unless we make
medical school free, will be those from 3rd world countries.


They are already here in droves. It's hard to find a doc. that speaks
clear English, which is my native tongue by the way. It ain't going to
get better.

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"CalifBill" wrote in message
m...

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:44:57 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 22/03/2010 9:33 PM, wrote:

The problem is "the law" can easily change and make the projection
wildly wrong. That is what happened to Medicare. Once they got the
framework in place it became a Christmas tree that everyone could hang
ornaments on. That is the fear with this bill. The congress is already
saying they are going to "fix all the problems" that were created to
get it passed in the first place. I am sure all of the cost saving
devices will be the first things to go, like the Medicare cuts, the
tax increases and the limits on what they grant the states.

Good annology. And he reason they don't want it in a seperate fund is
so they can hide the skiming as they ask for more, and more taxes. Foot
is now in the door, going to be hard now to stop.

of course, this idea is testable. has this been done with social
security? nope. medicare? nope

so he's full of ****.

They will. When the tax bill arrives people will be ****ed to no end.

actually it's going to reduce healthcare costs over the next decade.
this moron knows zip about economics

It will not be just income tax, sin taxes, utilities, gas and like EVERY
other nation with a statism government VAT, a national sales tax. At
some point government will go for a national sales tax.

as if we 're not already payin for healthcare...twice what other
countries pay

more proof the moron knows nothing except what he hears on talk radio


Europe has a shortage of doctors. They immigrate to countries that pay a
decent rate. The only docs you will see in the future, unless we make
medical school free, will be those from 3rd world countries.

Sure... Doctors trained here, born here, brought up here are going to move
to Turkey. Ok. All of this because we want people to be healthy... loooney!

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"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:50:57 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:50:37 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest point in 5
weeks.

Yup the insurance company stocks are up 50% since they passed the
Senate bill.
United HC and Aetna both went from the low 20s to the mid 30s.
We really got even with those *******s huh?
This will go down as the insurance, hospital and pharmaceutical
conglomerate stimulus package of 2010.

gee. the dow includes more than insurance companies

but that's a fact. and right whiners dont do facts. only liberals do


Yes the DOW has more than insurance and medical companies, but they are
what
drove the jump. 100 pts. is not a big percentage.

Well, really nobody said the whole stock market went up. If you "read
the frekin' post" above you will see that someone gave facts and figures
about insurance companies that went up. The bpuharic interjected the
stock market arguement to muddy the facts and avoid adressing them.
Either way, it doesn't change the fact that the big insurance companies
and big pharma made out like bandits. This was their T.A.R.P. as it
were. It will allow them to get rid of any business that is not so
profitable and raise their rates on the ones that are left, just like
the big banks did last year when they got theirs...

Scotty

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So, we should just let them gouge people with no restraints. Got it. That's
going to reduce the costs and keep them from making a profit. Sounds Marxist
to me.


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"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article 0391c2ca-003f-4497-9039-777bdef66c00
@l25g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...

On Mar 24, 10:47 am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 735fef65-951b-471b-8944-1d99fdb4cac8
@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...







On Mar 24, 9:17 am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 23/03/2010 6:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:08:59 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:

How are they going to cut Medicare? Medicare people vote at a
higher
percentage than others. And they already said they are going
to fix the
drug donut hole. How is that going to reduce costs?

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest
point in 5
weeks.

Market always moves in advance. Look at last Friday.

But you know squat of investing, so quite the liberal BS. Go back
to
you naitivity and Obama worship.

Debt, who would have thought America would be at war from within
with
debt mongers.

China said they would do just that decades ago. They were going to
bring
us down "without even firing a shot". The sheeples are following
the
idiots in the White House straight to the slaughter. China needs
our
land to grow food, and when the collapse comes, they will "save us"
or
enslave us. Either way, bend over, change is here.

Scotty

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Pssssst...... want to know where a BIG portion of that China debt
came
from?

Don't tell me, George Bush and Rush Limbaugh, right??? And of course
Bush set up all of the devices for decades which led up to this.. Yep,
he was selling out our workforce while still in grade school...
Pfffftttt...

Scotty

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Uh, it WAS George Bush. Borrowed $2.5 Trillion dollars to get the guy
that dissed his daddy.

And Obama is gonna' give 12 trillion to the unions, big business, Wall
street and other various organizations who elected him.. So what? Let me
do the math here... 2.5 trillion is uh, oh yeah, less than 12 trillion.
Oooops, another justification cut off at the knees.

Scotty

--
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$12T?? I thought it was $100T. Why not make up even higher numbers.

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nom=de=plume wrote:
"CalifBill" wrote in message
m...
"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:44:57 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 22/03/2010 9:33 PM, wrote:

The problem is "the law" can easily change and make the projection
wildly wrong. That is what happened to Medicare. Once they got the
framework in place it became a Christmas tree that everyone could hang
ornaments on. That is the fear with this bill. The congress is already
saying they are going to "fix all the problems" that were created to
get it passed in the first place. I am sure all of the cost saving
devices will be the first things to go, like the Medicare cuts, the
tax increases and the limits on what they grant the states.
Good annology. And he reason they don't want it in a seperate fund is
so they can hide the skiming as they ask for more, and more taxes. Foot
is now in the door, going to be hard now to stop.

of course, this idea is testable. has this been done with social
security? nope. medicare? nope

so he's full of ****.

They will. When the tax bill arrives people will be ****ed to no end.
actually it's going to reduce healthcare costs over the next decade.
this moron knows zip about economics

It will not be just income tax, sin taxes, utilities, gas and like EVERY
other nation with a statism government VAT, a national sales tax. At
some point government will go for a national sales tax.
as if we 're not already payin for healthcare...twice what other
countries pay

more proof the moron knows nothing except what he hears on talk radio

Europe has a shortage of doctors. They immigrate to countries that pay a
decent rate. The only docs you will see in the future, unless we make
medical school free, will be those from 3rd world countries.

Sure... Doctors trained here, born here, brought up here are going to move
to Turkey. Ok. All of this because we want people to be healthy... loooney!

What a dunce. Do a study on which countries are most represented in our
medical schools. I'd say India but I'm just guessing.

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:27:36 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article 0391c2ca-003f-4497-9039-777bdef66c00
@l25g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...

On Mar 24, 10:47 am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 735fef65-951b-471b-8944-1d99fdb4cac8
@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...







On Mar 24, 9:17 am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 23/03/2010 6:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:08:59 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:

How are they going to cut Medicare? Medicare people vote at a
higher
percentage than others. And they already said they are going
to fix the
drug donut hole. How is that going to reduce costs?

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest
point in 5
weeks.

Market always moves in advance. Look at last Friday.

But you know squat of investing, so quite the liberal BS. Go back
to
you naitivity and Obama worship.

Debt, who would have thought America would be at war from within
with
debt mongers.

China said they would do just that decades ago. They were going to
bring
us down "without even firing a shot". The sheeples are following
the
idiots in the White House straight to the slaughter. China needs
our
land to grow food, and when the collapse comes, they will "save us"
or
enslave us. Either way, bend over, change is here.

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v-Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pssssst...... want to know where a BIG portion of that China debt
came
from?

Don't tell me, George Bush and Rush Limbaugh, right??? And of course
Bush set up all of the devices for decades which led up to this.. Yep,
he was selling out our workforce while still in grade school...
Pfffftttt...

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, it WAS George Bush. Borrowed $2.5 Trillion dollars to get the guy
that dissed his daddy.

And Obama is gonna' give 12 trillion to the unions, big business, Wall
street and other various organizations who elected him.. So what? Let me
do the math here... 2.5 trillion is uh, oh yeah, less than 12 trillion.
Oooops, another justification cut off at the knees.

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v


$12T?? I thought it was $100T. Why not make up even higher numbers.

He looked it up on Gurgle, the search engine for idiots.

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"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
"CalifBill" wrote in message
m...
"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:44:57 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 22/03/2010 9:33 PM, wrote:

The problem is "the law" can easily change and make the projection
wildly wrong. That is what happened to Medicare. Once they got the
framework in place it became a Christmas tree that everyone could
hang
ornaments on. That is the fear with this bill. The congress is
already
saying they are going to "fix all the problems" that were created to
get it passed in the first place. I am sure all of the cost saving
devices will be the first things to go, like the Medicare cuts, the
tax increases and the limits on what they grant the states.
Good annology. And he reason they don't want it in a seperate fund is
so they can hide the skiming as they ask for more, and more taxes.
Foot
is now in the door, going to be hard now to stop.

of course, this idea is testable. has this been done with social
security? nope. medicare? nope

so he's full of ****.

They will. When the tax bill arrives people will be ****ed to no end.
actually it's going to reduce healthcare costs over the next decade.
this moron knows zip about economics

It will not be just income tax, sin taxes, utilities, gas and like
EVERY
other nation with a statism government VAT, a national sales tax. At
some point government will go for a national sales tax.
as if we 're not already payin for healthcare...twice what other
countries pay

more proof the moron knows nothing except what he hears on talk radio

Europe has a shortage of doctors. They immigrate to countries that pay
a decent rate. The only docs you will see in the future, unless we make
medical school free, will be those from 3rd world countries.

Sure... Doctors trained here, born here, brought up here are going to
move to Turkey. Ok. All of this because we want people to be healthy...
loooney!

What a dunce. Do a study on which countries are most represented in our
medical schools. I'd say India but I'm just guessing.


What a dunce yourself. Do a study on who gets paid the most after getting
out of medical schools in the US... those staying or those leaving. If
demand is going up and there's a shortage, there would then be an increase
in cost. Dollars and sense, the latter of which you have zero.

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"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:27:36 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article 0391c2ca-003f-4497-9039-777bdef66c00
@l25g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...

On Mar 24, 10:47 am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 735fef65-951b-471b-8944-1d99fdb4cac8
@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...







On Mar 24, 9:17 am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article ,

says...

On 23/03/2010 6:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:08:59 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:

How are they going to cut Medicare? Medicare people vote at
a
higher
percentage than others. And they already said they are going
to fix the
drug donut hole. How is that going to reduce costs?

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest
point in 5
weeks.

Market always moves in advance. Look at last Friday.

But you know squat of investing, so quite the liberal BS. Go
back
to
you naitivity and Obama worship.

Debt, who would have thought America would be at war from
within
with
debt mongers.

China said they would do just that decades ago. They were going
to
bring
us down "without even firing a shot". The sheeples are following
the
idiots in the White House straight to the slaughter. China needs
our
land to grow food, and when the collapse comes, they will "save
us"
or
enslave us. Either way, bend over, change is here.

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v-Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pssssst...... want to know where a BIG portion of that China debt
came
from?

Don't tell me, George Bush and Rush Limbaugh, right??? And of course
Bush set up all of the devices for decades which led up to this..
Yep,
he was selling out our workforce while still in grade school...
Pfffftttt...

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, it WAS George Bush. Borrowed $2.5 Trillion dollars to get the guy
that dissed his daddy.

And Obama is gonna' give 12 trillion to the unions, big business, Wall
street and other various organizations who elected him.. So what? Let me
do the math here... 2.5 trillion is uh, oh yeah, less than 12 trillion.
Oooops, another justification cut off at the knees.

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v


$12T?? I thought it was $100T. Why not make up even higher numbers.

He looked it up on Gurgle, the search engine for idiots.


I thought it was Goofus.

--
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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:13:00 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:27:36 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article 0391c2ca-003f-4497-9039-777bdef66c00
@l25g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...

On Mar 24, 10:47 am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 735fef65-951b-471b-8944-1d99fdb4cac8
@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...







On Mar 24, 9:17 am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article ,

says...

On 23/03/2010 6:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:08:59 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:

How are they going to cut Medicare? Medicare people vote at
a
higher
percentage than others. And they already said they are going
to fix the
drug donut hole. How is that going to reduce costs?

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest
point in 5
weeks.

Market always moves in advance. Look at last Friday.

But you know squat of investing, so quite the liberal BS. Go
back
to
you naitivity and Obama worship.

Debt, who would have thought America would be at war from
within
with
debt mongers.

China said they would do just that decades ago. They were going
to
bring
us down "without even firing a shot". The sheeples are following
the
idiots in the White House straight to the slaughter. China needs
our
land to grow food, and when the collapse comes, they will "save
us"
or
enslave us. Either way, bend over, change is here.

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v-Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pssssst...... want to know where a BIG portion of that China debt
came
from?

Don't tell me, George Bush and Rush Limbaugh, right??? And of course
Bush set up all of the devices for decades which led up to this..
Yep,
he was selling out our workforce while still in grade school...
Pfffftttt...

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, it WAS George Bush. Borrowed $2.5 Trillion dollars to get the guy
that dissed his daddy.

And Obama is gonna' give 12 trillion to the unions, big business, Wall
street and other various organizations who elected him.. So what? Let me
do the math here... 2.5 trillion is uh, oh yeah, less than 12 trillion.
Oooops, another justification cut off at the knees.

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v


$12T?? I thought it was $100T. Why not make up even higher numbers.

He looked it up on Gurgle, the search engine for idiots.


I thought it was Goofus.

I'm sure there are several by now, 24% of Republicans is a pretty
large number.

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:45:48 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:44:57 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

more proof the moron knows nothing except what he hears on talk radio


Europe has a shortage of doctors. They immigrate to countries that pay a
decent rate. The only docs you will see in the future, unless we make
medical school free, will be those from 3rd world countries.

the US also has a shortage of doctors. that's why PA just started
another med school in scranton. and healthcare in most western
countries is better than US healthcare...and half as expensive

so, you were saying?

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:43:29 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:50:57 -0400, wrote:

gee. the dow includes more than insurance companies

but that's a fact. and right whiners dont do facts. only liberals do


Yes the DOW has more than insurance and medical companies, but they are what
drove the jump. 100 pts. is not a big percentage.

and yet the biggest increase in 5 weeks.

i await your proof that insurance companies drove the increase

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:26:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:



So, we should just let them gouge people with no restraints. Got it. That's
going to reduce the costs and keep them from making a profit. Sounds Marxist
to me.

well they're rich. they're entitled to a 39% annual increase, like
anthem just announced in california.

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:03:01 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:50:37 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

incidentally, on this, the day obama signed the bill...

the stock market jumped more than 100 points to its highest point in 5
weeks.

Yup the insurance company stocks are up 50% since they passed the
Senate bill.
United HC and Aetna both went from the low 20s to the mid 30s.
We really got even with those *******s huh?
This will go down as the insurance, hospital and pharmaceutical
conglomerate stimulus package of 2010.

That pretty much says it all right there. **** Obama, **** Pelosi, and
the rest of the bought and paid for administration...

as opposed to the rich white frat boy party of bush


Scotty

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:17:23 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:



China said they would do just that decades ago. They were going to bring
us down "without even firing a shot". The sheeples are following the
idiots in the White House straight to the slaughter. China needs our
land to grow food, and when the collapse comes, they will "save us" or
enslave us. Either way, bend over, change is here.

Scotty

as john maynard keynes once said:

if you owe the bank $100,000, you have a problem

if you owe the bank $100,000,000, the bank has a problem

china isn't going to do anything to upset the US. besides, they hold
less than 5% of our debt. about 75% is held by americans.

idiot

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:14:33 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:



And Obama is gonna' give 12 trillion to the unions,

there aren't any unions in the US

big business, Wall
street and other various organizations who elected him

ROFLMAO!! bush put the TARP program in place...had to. the rich own
everything, courtesy of the right

... So what? Let me
do the math here... 2.5 trillion is uh, oh yeah, less than 12 trillion.
Oooops, another justification cut off at the knees.

and bush?

****ed away a trillion in iraq.

how'd that work out


Scotty