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HK wrote:

Maybe you can find a girl to pick on.

Wow, remember how you stalked madcow all over usenet?

Johnson

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"TopBassDog" wrote in message
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On Feb 19, 8:15 pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:26:17 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



On Feb 19, 5:05 wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:14:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 19, 3:16 wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:50:37 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 19, 2:33 wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:38:40 -0800 (PST), Tim

wrote:

On Feb 19, 9:32 wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:06:58 -0800 (PST), Tim

wrote:

On Feb 19, 12:19 am, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:
"jps" wrote in message

. ..

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:12:45 -0700, Canuck57

wrote:

I must admit, I agree with this guys letter. The
appathetic sheep in US
and Canada should wake up and assert economic freedom to
the
governments. Make the crooked *******s in our society pay
with their
lives.

Ah, Canadian al Qaeda. You're just as insane as we've
come to expect.

If it's Tim McVeigh or that assholes in Kansas who thinks
he was right
in killing the abortion doctor, it's just a crime.

If a brown person does it on behalf of Allah, they're a
terrorist.

There's no difference between this asshole and bin Laden
apart from
the sizes of their organizations.

Good grief... Canuck thinks that a beef with the IRS means
it's ok to kill
people. That's just sick.

--
Nom=de=Plume

He said this:

"I must admit, I agree with this guys letter. The apathetic
sheep in
US and Canada should wake up and assert economic freedom to
the
governments. Make the crooked *******s in our society pay
with their
lives. "

Do you see ANYTHING there that promotes murder?

C'mon....

Uh, it's not what he wrote that's affecting people the most,
it's the
innocent victims in the IRS office who did nothing to deserve
being
killed or injured.

But feel free to join the al Qaeda-like thinking Tim. And
certainly
do promote among your friends and family.

I don't like fundies and I think they're screwing up our
country.
Should I drive my car into the nearest fundie church with a
load of
explosives?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No you shouldn't unless you feel for some mad reason it's
justifiable.
There's famous leftists college professors that believe in it,
so, why
shouldn't you? One did bomb people and has little regrets and I
believe his name is Ayers.

Oh, so you're endorsing the practice?

Seems you agree with the guy who flew his plane into the IRS
building,
killing innocent people. You most likely agree with the Kansas
City
killer for taking out the abortion doctor.

Based on my hatred of fundies, you're saying I should feel free
to
exercise my anger by delivering a car bomb or some other
destructive
force to a fundie center near me?

Because I'm tired of fundies screwing up our country?- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Whatever you wish to think. That is your option.

?;^ )

Yours is a no-response.

Incapable of saying anything to further your "argument" or refute
mine? That's just what I expected.

Your children will watch the downfall of their father's country for
lack of reason.

You're a prime example.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I don't argue, and I don't insult either. But thanks for giving me
that option.

?;^ )

You have the option of refuting the argument without insulting me.

We each show our passion in different ways, we each show our
intellectual capabilities in different ways.

Turning the other cheek isn't going to save our country from going
down the ****ter and your complicit agreement with this bloody lunatic
is among the reasons this country is taking a dive.

Make sure to tell your kids that you're part of the problem, if they
don't already know.

Oh believe me. I most certainly will!

LOL!

Let Jesus know next time you pseudo talk to him. Say hi to J for me
and let him know that he's a pussy too. I'm sure he's loving the IRS
kamikazi as much as you.

Pseudo libertarians.

I'd like to send a few Seattle anarchists your way. They'd make you
crap your pants before you ever got close to your cache of weapons.

"Are you attempting a personal attack?"

--
Nom=de=Plume


Wow... now we know who's been doing all the spoofing...

--
Nom=de=Plume

Nom da plume off topic as usual
 

"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:02:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Adams had no military experience and didn't engage in war while
president.
He was a lawyer and a diplomat.
But in the British eyes, a treasonous traitor.

By your logic, Osama Bin Laden didn't pull the trigger either. Has
lots
of degrees including economics.

Don't get me wrong, if I saw Osama and could kill him, I would. But
the
point is, one sides hero is the other sides enemy. It is relative to
your
position in the field.

By most intelligent people's logic, you're a ninny.

--
It is always true that one man's terrorist is another man's patriot.
The winner also always gets to decide how that person goes down in
history.
The Vietnamese named their capital city after Ho Chi Minh.
If things had turned out the other way it might be Johnsonville or
Nguyen Van Thiu City and 80,000 Vietcong would have been rounded up
and shot..



Ummm... being a "treasonous traitor" (which is fairly redundant but look
who wrote it) is quite different than being a terrorist.



Ummm... did I mention you're not too bright. That's on-topic for sure!

--
Nom=de=Plume

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2010 11:22 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 19/02/2010 11:10 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 19/02/2010 2:52 AM, Jim wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:

I must admit, I agree with this guys letter.

Lib - Ever wonder the percentage of IRS agents who are lib?

Bet most are. Better than 1/2 any way.


Because they work for the government, right?

Yep. Ever work for the government? What a mess, as a consultant I was
glad I had a term engagement and could get out.


So, you worked for the government? Hard to believe, but if so, you must
be a
liberal! Now that's funny!

Government and I have crossed paths on a few occassions. Nope, not a
liberal. In each contact I got the impression dysfunctional politics was
more important than rationality. I can't see how anyone would ever last
30-40 years in government without going insane.


Maybe they're tougher than you. So, did you or did you not work for the
gov't? You must be a liberal, since you're a "consultant."

--
Nom=de=Plume

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 19/02/2010 11:10 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 19/02/2010 2:52 AM, Jim wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:

I must admit, I agree with this guys letter.

Lib - Ever wonder the percentage of IRS agents who are lib?

Bet most are. Better than 1/2 any way.


Because they work for the government, right?

Yep. People tend to gravitate towards their environment, and government
saying to itself we must become smaller, leaner and rationalize what we do
it not an intrinsic traight. More likely, whining and polics to justify
bigger, fatter more in your face government is the norm.

And liberals and statists get along better than say a conservative and
statist. Or a Libratarian and Liberal...

Yep, I would say yes.


So, if you work for the government, you're a liberal. That includes all the
Republican appointees and in fact all gov't workers back to the founding.
You're blatantly stupid.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:29:13 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 21/02/2010 3:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:26:04 -0700,
wrote:



Government and I have crossed paths on a few occassions. Nope, not a
liberal. In each contact I got the impression dysfunctional politics
was more important than rationality. I can't see how anyone would ever
last 30-40 years in government without going insane.

and i used to work for ATT. they went under. free market capitalism,
unregulated, aint no great deal either

ATT was like government, fat and lethargic. I worked for a company that
loved competing with ATT, we used to joke, "It isn't that we are so
good, it is that they are far worse."

ROFLMAO!! hey genius...that's EXACTLY my point. you guys who have more
faith in the free market than a saint has in christ kinda forget about
the FAILURES in the market


I worked for NorTel as we smashed ATT's Western Electric into the
ground. Free market capitalism rocks. The lethargic idiots made a
product that no one wanted and we made ones companies wanted. Their
appathy was their doom.

ROFLMAO!!!! you were one of the companies that helped drive ATT into
the ground!!!

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bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:29:13 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 21/02/2010 3:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:26:04 -0700,
wrote:


Government and I have crossed paths on a few occassions. Nope, not a
liberal. In each contact I got the impression dysfunctional politics
was more important than rationality. I can't see how anyone would ever
last 30-40 years in government without going insane.
and i used to work for ATT. they went under. free market capitalism,
unregulated, aint no great deal either
ATT was like government, fat and lethargic. I worked for a company that
loved competing with ATT, we used to joke, "It isn't that we are so
good, it is that they are far worse."

ROFLMAO!! hey genius...that's EXACTLY my point. you guys who have more
faith in the free market than a saint has in christ kinda forget about
the FAILURES in the market

I worked for NorTel as we smashed ATT's Western Electric into the
ground. Free market capitalism rocks. The lethargic idiots made a
product that no one wanted and we made ones companies wanted. Their
appathy was their doom.

ROFLMAO!!!! you were one of the companies that helped drive ATT into
the ground!!!



I don't know when you joined ATT. I worked at Bell Labs starting in
1964. In my opinion, the reson ATT went down hill after the breakup is
that there was no "marketing" expertise. After being a regulated
monopoly for so long there was no one with the company that had a clue
as how to survive in a competitive market place.

It took a long time for the "design to last 20 years" mentality to be
put aside.

So blame ATT, not its competitors.

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On 21/02/2010 4:55 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:29:13 -0700,
wrote:

On 21/02/2010 3:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:26:04 -0700,
wrote:



Government and I have crossed paths on a few occassions. Nope, not a
liberal. In each contact I got the impression dysfunctional politics
was more important than rationality. I can't see how anyone would ever
last 30-40 years in government without going insane.

and i used to work for ATT. they went under. free market capitalism,
unregulated, aint no great deal either

ATT was like government, fat and lethargic. I worked for a company that
loved competing with ATT, we used to joke, "It isn't that we are so
good, it is that they are far worse."

ROFLMAO!! hey genius...that's EXACTLY my point. you guys who have more
faith in the free market than a saint has in christ kinda forget about
the FAILURES in the market

Free markets kill dog companies and replace them with producers all the
time.

Unlike government that tosses billions at them hoping for someone to
wake up.

I worked for NorTel as we smashed ATT's Western Electric into the
ground. Free market capitalism rocks. The lethargic idiots made a
product that no one wanted and we made ones companies wanted. Their
appathy was their doom.

ROFLMAO!!!! you were one of the companies that helped drive ATT into
the ground!!!

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On 21/02/2010 4:35 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 19/02/2010 11:10 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 19/02/2010 2:52 AM, Jim wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:

I must admit, I agree with this guys letter.

Lib - Ever wonder the percentage of IRS agents who are lib?

Bet most are. Better than 1/2 any way.


Because they work for the government, right?

Yep. People tend to gravitate towards their environment, and government
saying to itself we must become smaller, leaner and rationalize what we do
it not an intrinsic traight. More likely, whining and polics to justify
bigger, fatter more in your face government is the norm.

And liberals and statists get along better than say a conservative and
statist. Or a Libratarian and Liberal...

Yep, I would say yes.


So, if you work for the government, you're a liberal. That includes all the
Republican appointees and in fact all gov't workers back to the founding.
You're blatantly stupid.

de-fumer I didn't say it meant you were, just the probabilities of being
liberal are there.

It isn't all or nothing like your pea sized brain incinuates.

Cucumber is in the bottom left crisper. Good night.

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On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:44:55 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:29:13 -0700, Canuck57


I worked for NorTel as we smashed ATT's Western Electric into the
ground. Free market capitalism rocks. The lethargic idiots made a
product that no one wanted and we made ones companies wanted. Their
appathy was their doom.

ROFLMAO!!!! you were one of the companies that helped drive ATT into
the ground!!!



I don't know when you joined ATT. I worked at Bell Labs starting in
1964. In my opinion, the reson ATT went down hill after the breakup is
that there was no "marketing" expertise. After being a regulated
monopoly for so long there was no one with the company that had a clue
as how to survive in a competitive market place.

actuallly they had a business model based on a 1970 market rather than
a 1990 one. they did things extremely well..won more nobel prizes
than any other company, and more than most universitiesl...but still
had to transition to a non regulated environment

It took a long time for the "design to last 20 years" mentality to be
put aside.

yep...that was a problem.



So blame ATT, not its competitors.

?? that's kind of the way the free market works, right?

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On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:46:14 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 21/02/2010 4:55 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:29:13 -0700,
wrote:

ROFLMAO!! hey genius...that's EXACTLY my point. you guys who have more
faith in the free market than a saint has in christ kinda forget about
the FAILURES in the market

Free markets kill dog companies and replace them with producers all the
time.

which means the market doesnt eliminate inefficiency since a certain
number of companies will go bankrupt every year, right?


Unlike government that tosses billions at them hoping for someone to
wake up.

you think companies dont do this?

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 21/02/2010 4:35 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 19/02/2010 11:10 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 19/02/2010 2:52 AM, Jim wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:

I must admit, I agree with this guys letter.

Lib - Ever wonder the percentage of IRS agents who are lib?

Bet most are. Better than 1/2 any way.


Because they work for the government, right?

Yep. People tend to gravitate towards their environment, and government
saying to itself we must become smaller, leaner and rationalize what we
do
it not an intrinsic traight. More likely, whining and polics to justify
bigger, fatter more in your face government is the norm.

And liberals and statists get along better than say a conservative and
statist. Or a Libratarian and Liberal...

Yep, I would say yes.


So, if you work for the government, you're a liberal. That includes all
the
Republican appointees and in fact all gov't workers back to the founding.
You're blatantly stupid.

de-fumer I didn't say it meant you were, just the probabilities of being
liberal are there.

It isn't all or nothing like your pea sized brain incinuates.

Cucumber is in the bottom left crisper. Good night.


As usual, if you can't support your argument with facts, you lie. Typical.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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On 21/02/2010 6:52 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:46:14 -0700,
wrote:

On 21/02/2010 4:55 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:29:13 -0700,
wrote:

ROFLMAO!! hey genius...that's EXACTLY my point. you guys who have more
faith in the free market than a saint has in christ kinda forget about
the FAILURES in the market

Free markets kill dog companies and replace them with producers all the
time.

which means the market doesnt eliminate inefficiency since a certain
number of companies will go bankrupt every year, right?

Nope, just the losers. The ones that drag the system down. Money and
growth go to those producting something people want.

Unlike government that tosses billions at them hoping for someone to
wake up.

you think companies dont do this?

Not for long, they tend to disappear and die.

Companies live and die as they are needed. Highly efficient, no waste.
But when government gets involved they have to suck the wealth out of
people to prop us a loster like GM or various banks.

When government interferes it is bad because a loser lives to reduce the
wealth for no value to society. Creating a welfare company that
ultimately reduces jobs as people supporting the dead weight have less
to spend.

Say each working Amrican/Canadian is kicking in say $1000 to GM, which
is actually abou right. Then that $1000 does not go into their
community to employ people.

Between taxation reduction of wealth and instability perception of the
markets, the US suffers a hidden but real job loss because of bailouts.
From a society view, government cannot create wealth, they can only
expropriate it (taxes) and inefficiently redistribute it. The losses
are then disproportial to the market and inefficiencies are born.

Sorry, Obama is screwing all Americans for CAW and Banks.

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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:04:48 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 21/02/2010 6:52 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:46:14 -0700,
wrote:

which means the market doesnt eliminate inefficiency since a certain
number of companies will go bankrupt every year, right?

Nope, just the losers. The ones that drag the system down. Money and
growth go to those producting something people want.

and next year a bunch of companies will still go bankrupt


Unlike government that tosses billions at them hoping for someone to
wake up.

you think companies dont do this?

Not for long, they tend to disappear and die.

until someone else comes along and goes bankrupt


Companies live and die as they are needed. Highly efficient, no waste.
But when government gets involved they have to suck the wealth out of
people to prop us a loster like GM or various banks.

and when banks lend to bankrupt companies...as they did they did last
year...then they drain the economy as well

inefficiency is the same whether it's govt or private sector. it's
waste

the free market doesnt elminate it.


When government interferes it is bad because a loser lives to reduce the
wealth for no value to society. Creating a welfare company that
ultimately reduces jobs as people supporting the dead weight have less
to spend.

uh no. more of your fundamentalism

consider a well run black businesses...for example in rosewood, fl in,
say 1923.

and a bunch of white guys decide it's too well run. so they destroy
rosewood.

should the govt sit back and do nothing because govt interference is
always wrong?

what about toyota? should the govt do nothing?

and we have welfare...for the rich.


Say each working Amrican/Canadian is kicking in say $1000 to GM, which
is actually abou right. Then that $1000 does not go into their
community to employ people.

GM got 25B.

big deal.


Between taxation reduction of wealth and instability perception of the
markets, the US suffers a hidden but real job loss because of bailouts.

all of a sudden you're concerned about unemployment. what would
unemployment be if we HADNT bailed out the banks?

you, apparently, have never heard of 1929.

From a society view, government cannot create wealth, they can only
expropriate it (taxes) and inefficiently redistribute it. The losses
are then disproportial to the market and inefficiencies are born.

really? the govt cant create wealth?

ever hear of UC berkeley? the U of michigan? my own undergrad school,
the U of pittsburgh, where the salk polio vaccine was invented?

all examples of govt created wealth.

you're an economic cripple.

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On 22/02/2010 4:20 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:04:48 -0700,
wrote:

On 21/02/2010 6:52 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:46:14 -0700,
wrote:

which means the market doesnt eliminate inefficiency since a certain
number of companies will go bankrupt every year, right?

Nope, just the losers. The ones that drag the system down. Money and
growth go to those producting something people want.

and next year a bunch of companies will still go bankrupt

Prunes the weak.

Unlike government that tosses billions at them hoping for someone to
wake up.

you think companies dont do this?

Not for long, they tend to disappear and die.

until someone else comes along and goes bankrupt

Yep. It is inevitable. Losers pay the price, or they don't learn.

Companies live and die as they are needed. Highly efficient, no waste.
But when government gets involved they have to suck the wealth out of
people to prop us a loster like GM or various banks.

and when banks lend to bankrupt companies...as they did they did last
year...then they drain the economy as well

And Obama rewarded them for doing such a stupid move. And Congress
encouraged it. And bankers get their bonuses courtesy of working people
makeing a whole let less than any who approved it.

And you vote for the idiots, incling LOL Obama.

inefficiency is the same whether it's govt or private sector. it's
waste

the free market doesnt elminate it.

Noting eliminates it completely. But free market does better than any
other system in eliminating waste.

When government interferes it is bad because a loser lives to reduce the
wealth for no value to society. Creating a welfare company that
ultimately reduces jobs as people supporting the dead weight have less
to spend.

uh no. more of your fundamentalism

Show me a successful "government company"... cite please. I live in
Canada where government does this often, and not a one has every done
anything other than suck the taxpayers wealth.

consider a well run black businesses...for example in rosewood, fl in,
say 1923.


Doesn't ahve to be black you racist.

should the govt sit back and do nothing because govt interference is
always wrong?

Everyone looses but for the corrupt when government bails out, props up
bad busines spracives and lines peoples pockets.

what about toyota? should the govt do nothing?

Toyota is being persecuted. Governmetn Motors and NHFSA report to the
same people, no arms length in there.

And look at GM issues still not fixed. But then again, people expect
that from GM, broken manifolds, engine fires etc.

and we have welfare...for the rich.

Yep, Obama dishes it out.

Say each working Amrican/Canadian is kicking in say $1000 to GM, which
is actually abou right. Then that $1000 does not go into their
community to employ people.

GM got 25B.

big deal.

Funny, GM got a lot more than that. Add in GMAC which was blead dry,
just got another $6 on its fourth bailout. The Delco spin off. And the
bond holder buy outs and Canadian add ins. Tops over $100 billion!

Not only that, pensioners and others holding bonds took close to a $100
billion more in write downs. Obama didn't even give bond holders the
traditional day in court.

Add in the other companies that laid off people and went bankrupt
because GM didn't pay them.

If I owned a business today, I would only deal with GM new if it was
certified check or we are not shipping.

Between taxation reduction of wealth and instability perception of the
markets, the US suffers a hidden but real job loss because of bailouts.

all of a sudden you're concerned about unemployment. what would
unemployment be if we HADNT bailed out the banks?

The jobs were lost 5 years ago at GM. GM still is a dead man a walking.

you, apparently, have never heard of 1929.

Sure have, but I read up on it. Government tried the same **** back
then, didn't work. More than 10 years later it ended because of WW II.

From a society view, government cannot create wealth, they can only
expropriate it (taxes) and inefficiently redistribute it. The losses
are then disproportial to the market and inefficiencies are born.

really? the govt cant create wealth?

Yep. Governmetn can't create wealth. It is an economics question
actually. If you don't know why, just means you are big mouth shooting
off the mouth.

ever hear of UC berkeley? the U of michigan? my own undergrad school,
the U of pittsburgh, where the salk polio vaccine was invented?

all examples of govt created wealth.

you're an economic cripple.

Obviously you never attended any of them.

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Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/02/2010 4:20 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:04:48 -0700,
wrote:

On 21/02/2010 6:52 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:46:14 -0700,
wrote:

which means the market doesnt eliminate inefficiency since a certain
number of companies will go bankrupt every year, right?

Nope, just the losers. The ones that drag the system down. Money and
growth go to those producting something people want.

and next year a bunch of companies will still go bankrupt

Prunes the weak.

Unlike government that tosses billions at them hoping for someone to
wake up.

you think companies dont do this?

Not for long, they tend to disappear and die.

until someone else comes along and goes bankrupt

Yep. It is inevitable. Losers pay the price, or they don't learn.

Companies live and die as they are needed. Highly efficient, no waste.
But when government gets involved they have to suck the wealth out of
people to prop us a loster like GM or various banks.

and when banks lend to bankrupt companies...as they did they did last
year...then they drain the economy as well

And Obama rewarded them for doing such a stupid move. And Congress
encouraged it. And bankers get their bonuses courtesy of working people
makeing a whole let less than any who approved it.

And you vote for the idiots, incling LOL Obama.

inefficiency is the same whether it's govt or private sector. it's
waste

the free market doesnt elminate it.

Noting eliminates it completely. But free market does better than any
other system in eliminating waste.

When government interferes it is bad because a loser lives to reduce the
wealth for no value to society. Creating a welfare company that
ultimately reduces jobs as people supporting the dead weight have less
to spend.

uh no. more of your fundamentalism

Show me a successful "government company"... cite please. I live in
Canada where government does this often, and not a one has every done
anything other than suck the taxpayers wealth.

consider a well run black businesses...for example in rosewood, fl in,
say 1923.


Doesn't ahve to be black you racist.

should the govt sit back and do nothing because govt interference is
always wrong?

Everyone looses but for the corrupt when government bails out, props up
bad busines spracives and lines peoples pockets.

what about toyota? should the govt do nothing?

Toyota is being persecuted. Governmetn Motors and NHFSA report to the
same people, no arms length in there.

And look at GM issues still not fixed. But then again, people expect
that from GM, broken manifolds, engine fires etc.

and we have welfare...for the rich.

Yep, Obama dishes it out.

Say each working Amrican/Canadian is kicking in say $1000 to GM, which
is actually abou right. Then that $1000 does not go into their
community to employ people.

GM got 25B.

big deal.

Funny, GM got a lot more than that. Add in GMAC which was blead dry,
just got another $6 on its fourth bailout. The Delco spin off. And the
bond holder buy outs and Canadian add ins. Tops over $100 billion!

Not only that, pensioners and others holding bonds took close to a $100
billion more in write downs. Obama didn't even give bond holders the
traditional day in court.

Add in the other companies that laid off people and went bankrupt
because GM didn't pay them.

If I owned a business today, I would only deal with GM new if it was
certified check or we are not shipping.

Between taxation reduction of wealth and instability perception of the
markets, the US suffers a hidden but real job loss because of bailouts.

all of a sudden you're concerned about unemployment. what would
unemployment be if we HADNT bailed out the banks?

The jobs were lost 5 years ago at GM. GM still is a dead man a walking.

you, apparently, have never heard of 1929.

Sure have, but I read up on it. Government tried the same **** back
then, didn't work. More than 10 years later it ended because of WW II.

From a society view, government cannot create wealth, they can only
expropriate it (taxes) and inefficiently redistribute it. The losses
are then disproportial to the market and inefficiencies are born.

really? the govt cant create wealth?

Yep. Governmetn can't create wealth. It is an economics question
actually. If you don't know why, just means you are big mouth shooting
off the mouth.

ever hear of UC berkeley? the U of michigan? my own undergrad school,
the U of pittsburgh, where the salk polio vaccine was invented?

all examples of govt created wealth.

you're an economic cripple.

Obviously you never attended any of them.

Canuck, this guy is like Harry, bragging about "education."
We know the libs are always playing that card against us.
All lies anyway.
Same deal with the race card. Like we don't respect negroes.
More lies. But libs are niggardly with the truth.
Another thing I noticed is he keeps repeating himself, and always comes
back with the same answer.
Can't help but wonder if this is what Joe Stack faced from the IRS, a
well-known lib organization.
Is it any wonder Joe took action?

Lib - What I say three times is true.

Austin plane crash: Full text of Joe Stack online suicide note
 

On 23/02/2010 5:32 AM, Jim wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/02/2010 4:20 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:04:48 -0700,
wrote:

On 21/02/2010 6:52 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:46:14 -0700,
wrote:

which means the market doesnt eliminate inefficiency since a certain
number of companies will go bankrupt every year, right?

Nope, just the losers. The ones that drag the system down. Money and
growth go to those producting something people want.

and next year a bunch of companies will still go bankrupt

Prunes the weak.

Unlike government that tosses billions at them hoping for someone to
wake up.

you think companies dont do this?

Not for long, they tend to disappear and die.

until someone else comes along and goes bankrupt

Yep. It is inevitable. Losers pay the price, or they don't learn.

Companies live and die as they are needed. Highly efficient, no waste.
But when government gets involved they have to suck the wealth out of
people to prop us a loster like GM or various banks.

and when banks lend to bankrupt companies...as they did they did last
year...then they drain the economy as well

And Obama rewarded them for doing such a stupid move. And Congress
encouraged it. And bankers get their bonuses courtesy of working
people makeing a whole let less than any who approved it.

And you vote for the idiots, incling LOL Obama.

inefficiency is the same whether it's govt or private sector. it's
waste

the free market doesnt elminate it.

Noting eliminates it completely. But free market does better than any
other system in eliminating waste.

When government interferes it is bad because a loser lives to reduce
the
wealth for no value to society. Creating a welfare company that
ultimately reduces jobs as people supporting the dead weight have less
to spend.

uh no. more of your fundamentalism

Show me a successful "government company"... cite please. I live in
Canada where government does this often, and not a one has every done
anything other than suck the taxpayers wealth.

consider a well run black businesses...for example in rosewood, fl in,
say 1923.


Doesn't ahve to be black you racist.

should the govt sit back and do nothing because govt interference is
always wrong?

Everyone looses but for the corrupt when government bails out, props
up bad busines spracives and lines peoples pockets.

what about toyota? should the govt do nothing?

Toyota is being persecuted. Governmetn Motors and NHFSA report to the
same people, no arms length in there.

And look at GM issues still not fixed. But then again, people expect
that from GM, broken manifolds, engine fires etc.

and we have welfare...for the rich.

Yep, Obama dishes it out.

Say each working Amrican/Canadian is kicking in say $1000 to GM, which
is actually abou right. Then that $1000 does not go into their
community to employ people.

GM got 25B.

big deal.

Funny, GM got a lot more than that. Add in GMAC which was blead dry,
just got another $6 on its fourth bailout. The Delco spin off. And the
bond holder buy outs and Canadian add ins. Tops over $100 billion!

Not only that, pensioners and others holding bonds took close to a
$100 billion more in write downs. Obama didn't even give bond holders
the traditional day in court.

Add in the other companies that laid off people and went bankrupt
because GM didn't pay them.

If I owned a business today, I would only deal with GM new if it was
certified check or we are not shipping.

Between taxation reduction of wealth and instability perception of the
markets, the US suffers a hidden but real job loss because of bailouts.

all of a sudden you're concerned about unemployment. what would
unemployment be if we HADNT bailed out the banks?

The jobs were lost 5 years ago at GM. GM still is a dead man a walking.

you, apparently, have never heard of 1929.

Sure have, but I read up on it. Government tried the same **** back
then, didn't work. More than 10 years later it ended because of WW II.

From a society view, government cannot create wealth, they can only
expropriate it (taxes) and inefficiently redistribute it. The losses
are then disproportial to the market and inefficiencies are born.

really? the govt cant create wealth?

Yep. Governmetn can't create wealth. It is an economics question
actually. If you don't know why, just means you are big mouth shooting
off the mouth.

ever hear of UC berkeley? the U of michigan? my own undergrad school,
the U of pittsburgh, where the salk polio vaccine was invented?

all examples of govt created wealth.

you're an economic cripple.

Obviously you never attended any of them.

Canuck, this guy is like Harry, bragging about "education."
We know the libs are always playing that card against us.
All lies anyway.
Same deal with the race card. Like we don't respect negroes.
More lies. But libs are niggardly with the truth.
Another thing I noticed is he keeps repeating himself, and always comes
back with the same answer.
Can't help but wonder if this is what Joe Stack faced from the IRS, a
well-known lib organization.
Is it any wonder Joe took action?

Lib - What I say three times is true.

Yep, if you push thinking people past the breaking point, you can expect
a reaction. IRS certainly is liberally taxing to deal with. The job of
IRS is to bilk you for as much as they can. And Stack had too many
corrupt **** on him and decided enough was enough.

Agreed with the race card, leftie-libs use it as a crutch and pretty
obvious bpubic does not have education beyond high school, might not
have completed that either. Certainly is a clueless **** economically.

Austin plane crash: Full text of Joe Stack online suicide note
 

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:32:34 -0600, Jim "Jim wrote:



Canuck, this guy is like Harry, bragging about "education."
We know the libs are always playing that card against us.

that's true. your kids can always work for the indian and chinese
engineers. we don't need no education in the US. we got limbaugh

All lies anyway.
Same deal with the race card. Like we don't respect negroes.
More lies. But libs are niggardly with the truth.
Another thing I noticed is he keeps repeating himself, and always comes
back with the same answer.
Can't help but wonder if this is what Joe Stack faced from the IRS, a
well-known lib organization.
Is it any wonder Joe took action?

right wingers...traitors to america

next thing they'll be telling us how wonderful al qaida is


Lib - What I say three times is true.