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Dock Lines - Thought Solicitation
Mine are really degraded from the Florida sun.
I use 1/2" and need new. Any brand recommendations from the boaters out there? Floridians and south only. Because that's where they'll be used. |
Dock Lines - Thought Solicitation
On 2/4/10 7:07 AM, Jim wrote:
Mine are really degraded from the Florida sun. I use 1/2" and need new. Any brand recommendations from the boaters out there? Floridians and south only. Because that's where they'll be used. snerk Psssst...flajim is boatless. |
Dock Lines - Thought Solicitation
On Feb 4, 7:14*am, Harry wrote:
On 2/4/10 7:07 AM, Jim wrote: Mine are really degraded from the Florida sun. I use 1/2" and need new. Any brand recommendations from the boaters out there? Floridians and south only. Because that's where they'll be used. snerk Psssst...flajim is boatless. Maybe he's going to buy a boat, and is stocking up? You know, a 16 foot open tiller with a supercharged 52 Mercury..... |
Dock Lines - Thought Solicitation
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:07:22 -0600, Jim wrote:
Mine are really degraded from the Florida sun. I use 1/2" and need new. Any brand recommendations from the boaters out there? Floridians and south only. Because that's where they'll be used. I've been using black ready made lines from West Marine for several years and they are holding up well. My recommendation is to buy one size larger. I've seen a few 1/2 inch lines snap under shock loads, usually at the deck lead. |
Dock Lines - Thought Solicitation
On 2/4/10 12:47 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:07:22 -0600, wrote: Mine are really degraded from the Florida sun. I use 1/2" and need new. Any brand recommendations from the boaters out there? Floridians and south only. Because that's where they'll be used. I've been using black ready made lines from West Marine for several years and they are holding up well. My recommendation is to buy one size larger. I've seen a few 1/2 inch lines snap under shock loads, usually at the deck lead. snerk Po' W'hine...taken in by one of the flajims. Pssst...W'hine...flajim has no boat. |
Dock Lines - Thought Solicitation
*e#c wrote:
On Feb 4, 7:14 am, Harry wrote: On 2/4/10 7:07 AM, Jim wrote: Mine are really degraded from the Florida sun. I use 1/2" and need new. Any brand recommendations from the boaters out there? Floridians and south only. Because that's where they'll be used. snerk Psssst...flajim is boatless. Maybe he's going to buy a boat, and is stocking up? You know, a 16 foot open tiller with a supercharged 52 Mercury..... Show that asshole Jim the pictures of your boat so he can see what a real boat looks like. I'd show him mine but he'd just split a gut laughing. |
Dock Lines - Thought Solicitation
On Feb 4, 11:47*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:07:22 -0600, Jim wrote: Mine are really degraded from the Florida sun. I use 1/2" and need new. Any brand recommendations from the boaters out there? Floridians and south only. *Because that's where they'll be used. I've been using black ready made lines from West Marine for several years and they are holding up well. *My recommendation is to buy one size larger. * I've seen a few 1/2 inch lines snap under shock loads, usually at the deck lead. Wayne, what makes the "black" special or more durable? I take it that the black is more UV resistant? |
Dock Lines - Thought Solicitation
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 09:59:15 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: I've been using black ready made lines from West Marine for several years and they are holding up well. *My recommendation is to buy one size larger. * I've seen a few 1/2 inch lines snap under shock loads, usually at the deck lead. Wayne, what makes the "black" special or more durable? I take it that the black is more UV resistant? I don't actually know whether or not they are demonstrably more UV resistant or not. Mine have held up well however and they are out in the Florida sun everyday, on the south side of the boat, when we're home at the dock. There's a certain amount of anecdotal evidence that the dark shades of canvas hold up better, like the dark navy blue sunbrella fabric that is very popular. Perhaps the dark pigment reduces UV transmission to the inner layers but that's just conjecture on my part. If so, that might be true for dark colored dock lines as well. Good news this morning on the alternator. It came back repaired and working. |
Dock Lines - Thought Solicitation
On Feb 4, 2:54*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 09:59:15 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: I've been using black ready made lines from West Marine for several years and they are holding up well. *My recommendation is to buy one size larger. * I've seen a few 1/2 inch lines snap under shock loads, usually at the deck lead. Wayne, what makes the "black" special or more durable? I take it that the black is more UV resistant? I don't actually know whether or not they are demonstrably more UV resistant or not. * Mine have held up well however and they are out in the Florida sun everyday, on the south side of the boat, *when we're home at the dock. * There's a certain amount of anecdotal evidence that the dark shades of canvas hold up better, like the dark navy blue sunbrella fabric that is very popular. * Perhaps the dark pigment reduces UV transmission to the inner layers but that's just conjecture on my part. *If so, that might be true for dark colored dock lines as well. That's some pretty good thought and does make some sense. I dont' really have any need for super quality bow lines because being the lake boater that I am, I don't ahve my boat[s] out in the sun tied up for any long term, but I'm sure that with less UV deteriation, the lines are probably stonger. That's nice to know. Good news this morning on the alternator. *It came back repaired and working. * Great! I was wondering what ever came of that episode. What kind of a unit is it? a Powerline or Lestek? Just guessing,. Those makers specialize in extremely high output units in automotive configurations. |
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On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:37:14 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: Good news this morning on the alternator. *It came back repaired and working. * Great! I was wondering what ever came of that episode. What kind of a unit is it? a Powerline or Lestek? Just guessing,. Those makers specialize in extremely high output units in automotive configurations. I'm not sure who actually made the alternator but it is based on a Delco CS-144 (large case, 2 inch foot), and then beefed up with heavy duty stator windings and extra diodes: http://www.alternatorparts.com/Extreme%20Duty%20Dual%20Rectifier%20CS-144%20type.htm It was supposed to be good for 200+ amps but I was never able to get more than about 150 out of it before the voltage started sagging off. The local guy here replaced the stator coils with whatever he had on hand, nothing special it appears, and it now looks like it is good for about 110 amps or so. I'm OK with that as long as it is durable. The stock Delco that they use in Chevy pickups and Suburbans is rated at 124 amps but the local NAPA place couldn't get one in a reasonable time. |
Dock Lines - Thought Solicitation
On Feb 4, 4:15*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:37:14 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: Good news this morning on the alternator. *It came back repaired and working. * Great! I was wondering what ever came of that episode. *What kind of a unit is it? a Powerline or Lestek? Just guessing,. Those makers specialize in extremely high output units in automotive configurations. I'm not sure who actually made the alternator but it is based on a Delco CS-144 (large case, 2 inch foot), and then beefed up with heavy duty stator windings and extra diodes: http://www.alternatorparts.com/Extreme%20Duty%20Dual%20Rectifier%20CS... It was supposed to be good for 200+ amps but I was never able to get more than about 150 out of it before the voltage started sagging off. The local guy here replaced the stator coils with whatever he had on hand, nothing special it appears, and it now looks like it is good for about 110 amps or so. *I'm OK with that as long as it is durable. *The stock Delco that they use in Chevy pickups and Suburbans is rated at 124 amps but the local NAPA place couldn't get one in a reasonable time. Wayne, if your alternator is modified to a 'self-exciting' or 'one- wire' system, that's possibly where your problem was. it seems that regardless of brand, the SE volt regulators are known to have a voltage drop where you can't get a good full load out of the unit. or you need a slightly smaller alt. pulley. (too small is harsh on the belts, though) Those items might explain the 150a. before the voltage drop. Or the builder isn't accurate with their rating claim. |
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On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:51:04 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: It was supposed to be good for 200+ amps but I was never able to get more than about 150 out of it before the voltage started sagging off. The local guy here replaced the stator coils with whatever he had on hand, nothing special it appears, and it now looks like it is good for about 110 amps or so. *I'm OK with that as long as it is durable. *The stock Delco that they use in Chevy pickups and Suburbans is rated at 124 amps but the local NAPA place couldn't get one in a reasonable time. Wayne, if your alternator is modified to a 'self-exciting' or 'one- wire' system, that's possibly where your problem was. it seems that regardless of brand, the SE volt regulators are known to have a voltage drop where you can't get a good full load out of the unit. or you need a slightly smaller alt. pulley. (too small is harsh on the belts, though) Those items might explain the 150a. before the voltage drop. Or the builder isn't accurate with their rating claim. Tim, you raise an interesting issue because it is in fact a self exciting, internally regulated alternator. On the other hand it failed prematurely even running at less than rated output so it's entirely possible that I'll eventually need to bite the bullet and spend the big bucks for an industrial strength J-180 type with external regulation. I'll have to re-engineer the mounting bracket on the engines however to do that. I think my pulley size is OK because it does reach a point where increasing the engine RPM no longer increases the alternator output. I'm running dual Gates XL belts and they seem to be holding up pretty well. |
Dock Lines - Thought Solicitation
On Feb 4, 7:35*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:51:04 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: It was supposed to be good for 200+ amps but I was never able to get more than about 150 out of it before the voltage started sagging off. The local guy here replaced the stator coils with whatever he had on hand, nothing special it appears, and it now looks like it is good for about 110 amps or so. *I'm OK with that as long as it is durable. *The stock Delco that they use in Chevy pickups and Suburbans is rated at 124 amps but the local NAPA place couldn't get one in a reasonable time. Wayne, if your alternator is modified to a 'self-exciting' or 'one- wire' system, that's possibly where your problem was. it seems that regardless of brand, the SE volt regulators are known to have a voltage drop where you can't get a good full load out of the unit. or you need a slightly smaller alt. pulley. (too small is harsh on the belts, though) Those items *might explain the 150a. before the voltage drop. *Or the builder isn't accurate with their rating claim. Tim, you raise an interesting issue because it is in fact a self exciting, internally regulated alternator. * On the other hand it failed prematurely even running at less than rated output so it's entirely possible that I'll eventually need to bite the bullet and spend the big bucks for an industrial strength J-180 type with external regulation. *I'll have to re-engineer the mounting bracket on the engines however to do that. I think my pulley size is OK because it does reach a point where increasing the engine RPM no longer increases the alternator output. I'm running dual Gates XL belts and they seem to be holding up pretty well. If that's thee case I'm sure it blew a diode and probably burned the Stator. Wayne, can you run an exciter wire for a regulator connector plug? actually any key operated 12'v hot source would do. That is, excluding the starter solenoid switch. No need to go with a J-mount. We can go with that same CS 144 design and take it up to a respectable standard 160a rating on full load with about a 185a. max. 14.7 volt, with a drop to a minimum of 13.9v at full amp output. not hard to do. but still need a key ign. source. |
Dock Lines - Thought Solicitation
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:55:57 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: No need to go with a J-mount. We can go with that same CS 144 design and take it up to a respectable standard 160a rating on full load with about a 185a. max. 14.7 volt, with a drop to a minimum of 13.9v at full amp output. not hard to do. but still need a key ign. source. Something like that might be interesting although I'd prefer a regulated voltage of 14.2 to prevent cooking the batteries too badly. We are talking about more or less continuous operating conditions, sometimes for 48+ hours non-stop, and I need an alternator that can run reliably in that kind of environment at close to full power. Ambient temperatures are on the toasty side also with the alternators literally inches away from the blocks which are at 180 degrees. The engines each have an on/off switch which I could trace out and tap into if need be, although I'd rather not. |
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