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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:21:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. I don't think there is a "fix". These people will have to work out their own problems. We are just prolonging the agony. I agree. There's no complete fix, but we certainly have the obligation to make the situation better. Just leaving isn't the best option for either them or us. -- Nom=de=Plume Why not? |
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m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:21:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. I don't think there is a "fix". These people will have to work out their own problems. We are just prolonging the agony. I agree. There's no complete fix, but we certainly have the obligation to make the situation better. Just leaving isn't the best option for either them or us. -- Nom=de=Plume Why not? Try reading the thread or get someone to read it for you. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:10:51 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't think that's happening in Afg. right now... at least not from our side. I could be wrong. In any case, you've identified the problem that we shouldn't be there for the long term certainly or in Iraq any longer than humanly possible. So, what's your solution? If we "just leave," a lot more civilians would die, at least that's what all the generals are saying. So what? That will happen whenever we leave. We had the same experience in Vietnam but a few years later everything worked itself out and now they are members of the global economy. Have you looked at the country of manufacture of wooden furniture lately? According to who? The more stable we can make it, the fewer lives will be lost. So, your solution is..... Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. -- Nom=de=Plume If we got out tomorrow, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. If we get out in 10 years, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. According to Bill McKee, the expert in foreign relations. Why don't you tell us about your many patents again. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:21:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. I don't think there is a "fix". These people will have to work out their own problems. We are just prolonging the agony. I agree. There's no complete fix, but we certainly have the obligation to make the situation better. Just leaving isn't the best option for either them or us. -- Nom=de=Plume Why not? Try reading the thread or get someone to read it for you. Last warning skank. Answer the mans question if you can. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:10:51 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't think that's happening in Afg. right now... at least not from our side. I could be wrong. In any case, you've identified the problem that we shouldn't be there for the long term certainly or in Iraq any longer than humanly possible. So, what's your solution? If we "just leave," a lot more civilians would die, at least that's what all the generals are saying. So what? That will happen whenever we leave. We had the same experience in Vietnam but a few years later everything worked itself out and now they are members of the global economy. Have you looked at the country of manufacture of wooden furniture lately? According to who? The more stable we can make it, the fewer lives will be lost. So, your solution is..... Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. -- Nom=de=Plume If we got out tomorrow, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. If we get out in 10 years, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. According to Bill McKee, the expert in foreign relations. Why don't you tell us about your many patents again. Why don't you look them up yourself and show us what a great looker upper you are. |
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Harry wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: Try reading the thread or get someone to read it for you. Last warning skank. Answer the mans question if you can. I'm sorry nom=de=plume. Didn't mean to be disrespectful. When I post as Harry I forget my morality, and who I am. Since I think you're a ditz on many points, I should have just ignored you or respectfully disagreed point by point. It's this Harry thing. Didn't mean to carry it onto you. Sorry. |
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... On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:31:09 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't think there is a "fix". These people will have to work out their own problems. We are just prolonging the agony. I agree. There's no complete fix, but we certainly have the obligation to make the situation better. Just leaving isn't the best option for either them or us. I have waited for "peace with honor" before ... about 20,000 dead Americans worth of waiting. Where is Jerry Ford when we need him? It's not a matter of "peace with honor" and I never said that. I said that we need to at least attempt to clean up our mess before we leave. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 2/4/10 1:06 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:31:09 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't think there is a "fix". These people will have to work out their own problems. We are just prolonging the agony. I agree. There's no complete fix, but we certainly have the obligation to make the situation better. Just leaving isn't the best option for either them or us. I have waited for "peace with honor" before ... about 20,000 dead Americans worth of waiting. Where is Jerry Ford when we need him? It's not a matter of "peace with honor" and I never said that. I said that we need to at least attempt to clean up our mess before we leave. What does "peace with honor" mean, anyway? That our troops walk out and the place they leave behind doesn't fall apart 10 minutes later? We haven't seen *that* after any major conflict since the end of WWII, and we helped rebuild Japan, Italy, and Germany, and *none* of those countries had religious zealots in charge by then. Maybe the answer is to rid the world of religious fundamentalists who run nations. |
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On 2/4/10 1:23 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:21:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. I don't think there is a "fix". These people will have to work out their own problems. We are just prolonging the agony. I agree. There's no complete fix, but we certainly have the obligation to make the situation better. Just leaving isn't the best option for either them or us. -- Nom=de=Plume Why not? Try reading the thread or get someone to read it for you. -- Nom=de=Plume Sismple question. Why not leave now? They are going to kill each other after we leave, they kill each other now. So why not now? Beyond your comprehension? We should pull our troops and send in all our right-wing religious fundies to fight the taliban and the rest of the religious crackpots over there. Our crackpots vs. their crackpots...works for me. |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:21:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. I don't think there is a "fix". These people will have to work out their own problems. We are just prolonging the agony. I agree. There's no complete fix, but we certainly have the obligation to make the situation better. Just leaving isn't the best option for either them or us. -- Nom=de=Plume Why not? Try reading the thread or get someone to read it for you. -- Nom=de=Plume Sismple question. Why not leave now? They are going to kill each other after we leave, they kill each other now. So why not now? Beyond your comprehension? |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:10:51 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't think that's happening in Afg. right now... at least not from our side. I could be wrong. In any case, you've identified the problem that we shouldn't be there for the long term certainly or in Iraq any longer than humanly possible. So, what's your solution? If we "just leave," a lot more civilians would die, at least that's what all the generals are saying. So what? That will happen whenever we leave. We had the same experience in Vietnam but a few years later everything worked itself out and now they are members of the global economy. Have you looked at the country of manufacture of wooden furniture lately? According to who? The more stable we can make it, the fewer lives will be lost. So, your solution is..... Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. -- Nom=de=Plume If we got out tomorrow, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. If we get out in 10 years, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. According to Bill McKee, the expert in foreign relations. Why don't you tell us about your many patents again. -- Nom=de=Plume You are the one who claims to be a patent attorney. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:21:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. I don't think there is a "fix". These people will have to work out their own problems. We are just prolonging the agony. I agree. There's no complete fix, but we certainly have the obligation to make the situation better. Just leaving isn't the best option for either them or us. -- Nom=de=Plume Why not? Try reading the thread or get someone to read it for you. -- Nom=de=Plume Sismple question. Why not leave now? They are going to kill each other after we leave, they kill each other now. So why not now? Beyond your comprehension? It's a simple question, which I already answered, not to mention the generals in charge who've answered it. I guess that's beyond your comprehension. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:10:51 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't think that's happening in Afg. right now... at least not from our side. I could be wrong. In any case, you've identified the problem that we shouldn't be there for the long term certainly or in Iraq any longer than humanly possible. So, what's your solution? If we "just leave," a lot more civilians would die, at least that's what all the generals are saying. So what? That will happen whenever we leave. We had the same experience in Vietnam but a few years later everything worked itself out and now they are members of the global economy. Have you looked at the country of manufacture of wooden furniture lately? According to who? The more stable we can make it, the fewer lives will be lost. So, your solution is..... Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. -- Nom=de=Plume If we got out tomorrow, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. If we get out in 10 years, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. According to Bill McKee, the expert in foreign relations. Why don't you tell us about your many patents again. -- Nom=de=Plume You are the one who claims to be a patent attorney. Feel free not to believe me. I just loved your claim... you provide no name, no identifying information beyond your fake name. The PTO database lists two (as I recall) under that name, and you claim they're not yours. Basically, you're a liar. You have no patents. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 2/4/10 1:46 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:10:51 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't think that's happening in Afg. right now... at least not from our side. I could be wrong. In any case, you've identified the problem that we shouldn't be there for the long term certainly or in Iraq any longer than humanly possible. So, what's your solution? If we "just leave," a lot more civilians would die, at least that's what all the generals are saying. So what? That will happen whenever we leave. We had the same experience in Vietnam but a few years later everything worked itself out and now they are members of the global economy. Have you looked at the country of manufacture of wooden furniture lately? According to who? The more stable we can make it, the fewer lives will be lost. So, your solution is..... Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. -- Nom=de=Plume If we got out tomorrow, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. If we get out in 10 years, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. According to Bill McKee, the expert in foreign relations. Why don't you tell us about your many patents again. -- Nom=de=Plume You are the one who claims to be a patent attorney. Feel free not to believe me. I just loved your claim... you provide no name, no identifying information beyond your fake name. The PTO database lists two (as I recall) under that name, and you claim they're not yours. Basically, you're a liar. You have no patents. You show incredible patience in dealing with these right-wing automatons. Maybe you'll get an award! :) |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:21:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. I don't think there is a "fix". These people will have to work out their own problems. We are just prolonging the agony. I agree. There's no complete fix, but we certainly have the obligation to make the situation better. Just leaving isn't the best option for either them or us. -- Nom=de=Plume Why not? Try reading the thread or get someone to read it for you. -- Nom=de=Plume Sismple question. Why not leave now? They are going to kill each other after we leave, they kill each other now. So why not now? Beyond your comprehension? It's a simple question, which I already answered, not to mention the generals in charge who've answered it. I guess that's beyond your comprehension. -- Nom=de=Plume Moron. |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:10:51 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't think that's happening in Afg. right now... at least not from our side. I could be wrong. In any case, you've identified the problem that we shouldn't be there for the long term certainly or in Iraq any longer than humanly possible. So, what's your solution? If we "just leave," a lot more civilians would die, at least that's what all the generals are saying. So what? That will happen whenever we leave. We had the same experience in Vietnam but a few years later everything worked itself out and now they are members of the global economy. Have you looked at the country of manufacture of wooden furniture lately? According to who? The more stable we can make it, the fewer lives will be lost. So, your solution is..... Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. -- Nom=de=Plume If we got out tomorrow, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. If we get out in 10 years, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. According to Bill McKee, the expert in foreign relations. Why don't you tell us about your many patents again. -- Nom=de=Plume You are the one who claims to be a patent attorney. Feel free not to believe me. I just loved your claim... you provide no name, no identifying information beyond your fake name. The PTO database lists two (as I recall) under that name, and you claim they're not yours. Basically, you're a liar. You have no patents. -- Nom=de=Plume Real name, unlike Ndp. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:21:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. I don't think there is a "fix". These people will have to work out their own problems. We are just prolonging the agony. I agree. There's no complete fix, but we certainly have the obligation to make the situation better. Just leaving isn't the best option for either them or us. -- Nom=de=Plume Why not? Try reading the thread or get someone to read it for you. -- Nom=de=Plume Sismple question. Why not leave now? They are going to kill each other after we leave, they kill each other now. So why not now? Beyond your comprehension? It's a simple question, which I already answered, not to mention the generals in charge who've answered it. I guess that's beyond your comprehension. -- Nom=de=Plume Moron. Yes, you are. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:10:51 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't think that's happening in Afg. right now... at least not from our side. I could be wrong. In any case, you've identified the problem that we shouldn't be there for the long term certainly or in Iraq any longer than humanly possible. So, what's your solution? If we "just leave," a lot more civilians would die, at least that's what all the generals are saying. So what? That will happen whenever we leave. We had the same experience in Vietnam but a few years later everything worked itself out and now they are members of the global economy. Have you looked at the country of manufacture of wooden furniture lately? According to who? The more stable we can make it, the fewer lives will be lost. So, your solution is..... Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. -- Nom=de=Plume If we got out tomorrow, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. If we get out in 10 years, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. According to Bill McKee, the expert in foreign relations. Why don't you tell us about your many patents again. -- Nom=de=Plume You are the one who claims to be a patent attorney. Feel free not to believe me. I just loved your claim... you provide no name, no identifying information beyond your fake name. The PTO database lists two (as I recall) under that name, and you claim they're not yours. Basically, you're a liar. You have no patents. -- Nom=de=Plume Real name, unlike Ndp. In that case, you have no patents and you're a liar. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
In that case, you have no patents and you're a liar. Please. No need for that. Just ignore him and move on. |
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... On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:10:08 -0500, Harry wrote: What does "peace with honor" mean, anyway? That our troops walk out and the place they leave behind doesn't fall apart 10 minutes later? We haven't seen *that* after any major conflict since the end of WWII, We never left Germany, Japan or Korea. I think it's probably time we left the first two. Leaving Korea would be a big mistake. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:10:51 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't think that's happening in Afg. right now... at least not from our side. I could be wrong. In any case, you've identified the problem that we shouldn't be there for the long term certainly or in Iraq any longer than humanly possible. So, what's your solution? If we "just leave," a lot more civilians would die, at least that's what all the generals are saying. So what? That will happen whenever we leave. We had the same experience in Vietnam but a few years later everything worked itself out and now they are members of the global economy. Have you looked at the country of manufacture of wooden furniture lately? According to who? The more stable we can make it, the fewer lives will be lost. So, your solution is..... Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. -- Nom=de=Plume If we got out tomorrow, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. If we get out in 10 years, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. According to Bill McKee, the expert in foreign relations. Why don't you tell us about your many patents again. -- Nom=de=Plume You are the one who claims to be a patent attorney. Feel free not to believe me. I just loved your claim... you provide no name, no identifying information beyond your fake name. The PTO database lists two (as I recall) under that name, and you claim they're not yours. Basically, you're a liar. You have no patents. -- Nom=de=Plume Real name, unlike Ndp. In that case, you have no patents and you're a liar. -- Nom=de=Plume What is your license number? No number, liar. |
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... On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 21:00:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:10:08 -0500, Harry wrote: What does "peace with honor" mean, anyway? That our troops walk out and the place they leave behind doesn't fall apart 10 minutes later? We haven't seen *that* after any major conflict since the end of WWII, We never left Germany, Japan or Korea. I think it's probably time we left the first two. Leaving Korea would be a big mistake. I am not even sure about that. Without the Soviets and the Chinese to back them up, North Korea is not that strong. I really don't think they are crazy enough to attack the south. The real question, is why is it OUR problem. Where is the rest of the world? If we really want to knock Kim off we would do better to ring his country with G3 towers and bomb the country with I-pads. Sound expensive? Have you priced regular bombs these days? $500 a pop won't get you the dumbest WWII technology M-57 HE 250. Anything is cheaper than war. It's cheap insurance. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:10:51 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't think that's happening in Afg. right now... at least not from our side. I could be wrong. In any case, you've identified the problem that we shouldn't be there for the long term certainly or in Iraq any longer than humanly possible. So, what's your solution? If we "just leave," a lot more civilians would die, at least that's what all the generals are saying. So what? That will happen whenever we leave. We had the same experience in Vietnam but a few years later everything worked itself out and now they are members of the global economy. Have you looked at the country of manufacture of wooden furniture lately? According to who? The more stable we can make it, the fewer lives will be lost. So, your solution is..... Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. -- Nom=de=Plume If we got out tomorrow, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. If we get out in 10 years, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. According to Bill McKee, the expert in foreign relations. Why don't you tell us about your many patents again. -- Nom=de=Plume You are the one who claims to be a patent attorney. Feel free not to believe me. I just loved your claim... you provide no name, no identifying information beyond your fake name. The PTO database lists two (as I recall) under that name, and you claim they're not yours. Basically, you're a liar. You have no patents. -- Nom=de=Plume Real name, unlike Ndp. In that case, you have no patents and you're a liar. -- Nom=de=Plume What is your license number? No number, liar. There's no chance I'm giving you or anyone here any way to find me. As I said, you're the liar. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:10:51 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't think that's happening in Afg. right now... at least not from our side. I could be wrong. In any case, you've identified the problem that we shouldn't be there for the long term certainly or in Iraq any longer than humanly possible. So, what's your solution? If we "just leave," a lot more civilians would die, at least that's what all the generals are saying. So what? That will happen whenever we leave. We had the same experience in Vietnam but a few years later everything worked itself out and now they are members of the global economy. Have you looked at the country of manufacture of wooden furniture lately? According to who? The more stable we can make it, the fewer lives will be lost. So, your solution is..... Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. -- Nom=de=Plume If we got out tomorrow, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. If we get out in 10 years, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. According to Bill McKee, the expert in foreign relations. Why don't you tell us about your many patents again. -- Nom=de=Plume You are the one who claims to be a patent attorney. Feel free not to believe me. I just loved your claim... you provide no name, no identifying information beyond your fake name. The PTO database lists two (as I recall) under that name, and you claim they're not yours. Basically, you're a liar. You have no patents. -- Nom=de=Plume Real name, unlike Ndp. In that case, you have no patents and you're a liar. -- Nom=de=Plume What is your license number? No number, liar. There's no chance I'm giving you or anyone here any way to find me. As I said, you're the liar. Prove it bigmouth. |
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On Feb 5, 1:14*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:d86dnZFcba45o_bWnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@earthlink. com... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:OtSdnbWllLubkPbWnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@earthlin k.com... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:pqednS6bvJsC0vfWnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@earthl ink.com... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message news:767im5lscubm2bnpocjkqvnnbcg6ba9tno@4a x.com... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:10:51 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't think that's happening in Afg. right now... at least not from our side. I could be wrong. In any case, you've identified the problem that we shouldn't be there for the long term certainly or in Iraq any longer than humanly possible. So, what's your solution? If we "just leave," a lot more civilians would die, at least that's what all the generals are saying. So what? That will happen whenever we leave. We had the same experience in Vietnam but a few years later everything worked itself out and now they are members of the global economy. Have you looked at the country of manufacture of wooden furniture lately? According to who? The more stable we can make it, the fewer lives will be lost. So, your solution is..... Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. -- Nom=de=Plume If we got out tomorrow, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. *If we get out in 10 years, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. *Until they decide what they want as a country. According to Bill McKee, the expert in foreign relations. Why don't you tell us about your many patents again. -- Nom=de=Plume You are the one who claims to be a patent attorney. Feel free not to believe me. I just loved your claim... you provide no name, no identifying information beyond your fake name. The PTO database lists two (as I recall) under that name, and you claim they're not yours. Basically, you're a liar. You have no patents. -- Nom=de=Plume Real name, unlike Ndp. In that case, you have no patents and you're a liar. -- Nom=de=Plume What is your license number? *No number, liar. There's no chance I'm giving you or anyone here any way to find me. As I said, you're the liar. -- Nom=de=Plume Does it comfort you to know you can come into a news group and make an idiot out of you self with secrecy, D'Plume? |
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On Feb 5, 5:17*am, TopBassDog wrote:
On Feb 5, 1:14*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:d86dnZFcba45o_bWnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@earthlink. com... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:OtSdnbWllLubkPbWnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@earthlin k.com... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:pqednS6bvJsC0vfWnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@earthl ink.com... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message news:767im5lscubm2bnpocjkqvnnbcg6ba9tno@4a x.com... On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:10:51 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't think that's happening in Afg. right now... at least not from our side. I could be wrong. In any case, you've identified the problem that we shouldn't be there for the long term certainly or in Iraq any longer than humanly possible. So, what's your solution? If we "just leave," a lot more civilians would die, at least that's what all the generals are saying. So what? That will happen whenever we leave. We had the same experience in Vietnam but a few years later everything worked itself out and now they are members of the global economy. Have you looked at the country of manufacture of wooden furniture lately? According to who? The more stable we can make it, the fewer lives will be lost. So, your solution is..... Get the hell out and let the big dog eat. We are not in Iran and they look like they are going to throw out the mullahs all on their own (perhaps with a little covert help from the CIA) Basically, you're saying that even though we broke it, we'll let a massacre take place and that's ok. It isn't. -- Nom=de=Plume If we got out tomorrow, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. Until they decide what they want as a country. *If we get out in 10 years, there will be civil war of 3-6 months. *Until they decide what they want as a country. According to Bill McKee, the expert in foreign relations. Why don't you tell us about your many patents again. -- Nom=de=Plume You are the one who claims to be a patent attorney. Feel free not to believe me. I just loved your claim... you provide no name, no identifying information beyond your fake name. The PTO database lists two (as I recall) under that name, and you claim they're not yours. Basically, you're a liar. You have no patents. -- Nom=de=Plume Real name, unlike Ndp. In that case, you have no patents and you're a liar. -- Nom=de=Plume What is your license number? *No number, liar. There's no chance I'm giving you or anyone here any way to find me. As I said, you're the liar. -- Nom=de=Plume Does it comfort you *to know you can come into a news group and make an idiot out of you self with secrecy, D'Plume? Please allow me to correct my writing. Does it comfort you to know you can come into a news group and make an idiot out of "yew seff" with secrecy, D'Plume? |
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TopBassDog wrote:
Does it comfort you to know you can come into a news group and make an idiot out of you self with secrecy, D'Plume? Like you can talk about that, Mr. Top Bass Dog. You're just another anonymous creep, like me and de plume. Real people have real boats. And a personality. |
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... On 28/01/2010 6:36 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 28/01/2010 4:21 PM, bpuharic wrote: "To understand the State of the Union, we must look not only at where we are and where we’re going but where we’ve been. The situation at this time last year was truly ominous. [...] First, we must understand what’s happening at the moment to the economy. Our current problems are not the product of the recovery program that’s only just now getting under way, as some would have you believe; they are the inheritance of decades of tax and tax, and spend and spend. [...] The only alternative being offered to this economic program is a return to the policies that gave us a trillion-dollar debt, runaway inflation, runaway interest rates and unemployment ----------------- oh...wait...that was reagan in his first SOTU address sorry. my mistake the right pretends obama's a coward for simply telling the truth. No. I think we are reasonable to expect some results from the biggest debt spend in the history of economics. But you can't find $2 trillion of benefits. Obama is ****ing away the American dream. Only the stupid believe him, a polished bull****er. But BS is all he has. Just jive. While he sells Americans out to debt-government-servatude. You sure care a lot for someone who cares so much about America that you've left and will never return. At least, I hope you never return. Too bad many Americans don't think about who they vote for. Sad to say some foreigners care more. Too bad you're ignorant of what happened in the last national election. You don't actually care. You certainly won't be returning. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 2/5/10 6:49 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On 28/01/2010 6:36 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 28/01/2010 4:21 PM, bpuharic wrote: "To understand the State of the Union, we must look not only at where we are and where we’re going but where we’ve been. The situation at this time last year was truly ominous. [...] First, we must understand what’s happening at the moment to the economy. Our current problems are not the product of the recovery program that’s only just now getting under way, as some would have you believe; they are the inheritance of decades of tax and tax, and spend and spend. [...] The only alternative being offered to this economic program is a return to the policies that gave us a trillion-dollar debt, runaway inflation, runaway interest rates and unemployment ----------------- oh...wait...that was reagan in his first SOTU address sorry. my mistake the right pretends obama's a coward for simply telling the truth. No. I think we are reasonable to expect some results from the biggest debt spend in the history of economics. But you can't find $2 trillion of benefits. Obama is ****ing away the American dream. Only the stupid believe him, a polished bull****er. But BS is all he has. Just jive. While he sells Americans out to debt-government-servatude. You sure care a lot for someone who cares so much about America that you've left and will never return. At least, I hope you never return. Too bad many Americans don't think about who they vote for. Sad to say some foreigners care more. Too bad you're ignorant of what happened in the last national election. You don't actually care. You certainly won't be returning. Canuck probably moved to canada because he didn't have the funds to buy private health insurance in the USA, and he's ****ed about it. |
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... On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:05:25 -0500, Harry wrote: It's cheap insurance. Maintaining the Korean DMZ may be insurance but it sure isn't cheap. It costs up to a million dollars a year (Iraq price) to deploy a US soldier in a war zone. That is one of the reasons why Haliburton/KBR and Blackwater are bargains. Halliburton and Blackwater cost us more than they are worth. There's a lot more than dollar "cost" when it comes to foreign policy blunders. There's also a huge, uncontrolled "thug" element in connection with using these damned contractors. There are no shortage of atrocities and collateral damage incidents by our troops. It may be politically correct to slam Blackwater but the State department still uses them because they have a better record of keeping diplomats alive than the military. Haliburton simply provides logistics a lot cheaper than the military could ... unless we reinstated the draft and even then it is debatable. The decision to use contractors was made in the 60s ... because of cost. That was when we had across the board increases in military pay. You have stats to back up that statement? Military personnel have been protecting diplomats at embassies for decades, for example. Haliburton don't provide their services cheaper! That's completely false. The ones currently over there are paid $100K+ compared to the regular military salaries. We used them in the 60s, but in very limited way. Now, it's out of control. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 11:10:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:05:25 -0500, Harry wrote: It's cheap insurance. Maintaining the Korean DMZ may be insurance but it sure isn't cheap. It costs up to a million dollars a year (Iraq price) to deploy a US soldier in a war zone. That is one of the reasons why Haliburton/KBR and Blackwater are bargains. Halliburton and Blackwater cost us more than they are worth. There's a lot more than dollar "cost" when it comes to foreign policy blunders. There's also a huge, uncontrolled "thug" element in connection with using these damned contractors. There are no shortage of atrocities and collateral damage incidents by our troops. It may be politically correct to slam Blackwater but the State department still uses them because they have a better record of keeping diplomats alive than the military. Haliburton simply provides logistics a lot cheaper than the military could ... unless we reinstated the draft and even then it is debatable. The decision to use contractors was made in the 60s ... because of cost. That was when we had across the board increases in military pay. You have stats to back up that statement? Military personnel have been protecting diplomats at embassies for decades, for example. We have Marines standing at the gates but they are not really guards. That is true at the White House too. They have civilian guards. When Hillary goes out on the road, Blackwater (AKA Xe) escorts her. (Google it) You're completely wrong. The Marines are soldiers and they defend the embassies. I have a friend who's son is one. Just because they're still being used, doesn't make them cost-effective or cheaper, which is your claim. Haliburton don't provide their services cheaper! That's completely false. The ones currently over there are paid $100K+ compared to the regular military salaries. We used them in the 60s, but in very limited way. Now, it's out of control. $100k is a bargain. It costs us a cool million dollars a head for the soldiers we have in Iraq and Afghanistan. (according to CNN and Newsweek). I agree that is somewhat a bogus number but that is also how we get to GW spending a trillion in Iraq. The real problem is the political cost of recruiting and deploying another 70,000 soldiers or dealing with the 1000+ dead and 37,000+ wounded contractors. They are simply expendable assets who do not have to come back to Dover AFB in flag draped coffins. Not to mention their above the law mentality, which costs of even more American lives. Contractors really started coming on board with the end of the draft and throughout most of the time since they have outnumbered uniformed services. A nice private army beholden to right wing Christians waiting for the Rapture. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 17:18:10 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: You have stats to back up that statement? Military personnel have been protecting diplomats at embassies for decades, for example. We have Marines standing at the gates but they are not really guards. That is true at the White House too. They have civilian guards. When Hillary goes out on the road, Blackwater (AKA Xe) escorts her. (Google it) You're completely wrong. The Marines are soldiers and they defend the embassies. I have a friend who's son is one. So you are saying there are no contract guards in embassies that are exposed to serious threats? I suggest you look into what we hire Blackwater for. Never said that. The Marines defend the embassies. I know for a fact that in the White House, the marines are just window dressing. They have the Secret Service protecting the president and his family and the White House Police protect the grounds. When I was in DC the Marines didn't even have loaded guns. White House /= Embassy Just because they're still being used, doesn't make them cost-effective or cheaper, which is your claim. They are certainly cheaper, politically. Financially it is a hard case to make either way but if we accept the numbers we hear from the left (Bush spent a trillion in Iraq), it makes a US soldier cost us a million a year per guy. They're cheaper and more effective... which is a financial case as well as a moral/legal one. You are confusing salary with cost. Every soldier has many tens of thousands of dollars of training, logistic support to make him an effective fighting force in a moment's notice and the equipment standing by to make that happen. When he is washing dishes or scrubbing toilets all of that is going to waste. Your contractor stories are about combat fighters and they do make low 6 figures but 60-70% of the contractors are locals who might not even be making as much as the soldiers, with no pensions or benefits. There are 100K private security forces in Iraq. They're not locals. Haliburton don't provide their services cheaper! That's completely false. The ones currently over there are paid $100K+ compared to the regular military salaries. We used them in the 60s, but in very limited way. Now, it's out of control. $100k is a bargain. It costs us a cool million dollars a head for the soldiers we have in Iraq and Afghanistan. (according to CNN and Newsweek). I agree that is somewhat a bogus number but that is also how we get to GW spending a trillion in Iraq. The real problem is the political cost of recruiting and deploying another 70,000 soldiers or dealing with the 1000+ dead and 37,000+ wounded contractors. They are simply expendable assets who do not have to come back to Dover AFB in flag draped coffins. Not to mention their above the law mentality, which costs of even more American lives. We have had our soldiers convicted of rape and murder. There have been plenty of friendly fire and collateral damage incidents too. Most don't see the light of day unless CNN gets a hold of them. War is hell, that is the way it works. If you don't think that is right, take my advice and get our people out of that hell hole. Big difference... the military is subject to our laws. The contractors are not. Contractors really started coming on board with the end of the draft and throughout most of the time since they have outnumbered uniformed services. A nice private army beholden to right wing Christians waiting for the Rapture. They work for Obama now. They mostly work for the right wing Christians. They're paid by the US gov't. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:26:11 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: They work for Obama now. Everyone in the executive branch who is not US civil service serves at the pleasure of the president. If he wanted to, he could fire them all. He knows we need them. What does that have to do with their religion anyway? Never heard of a contract? Obama can't "fire" them. Perhaps Congress. Of course he can. All government contracts are written in a way that allows the government to get out of them. They may have to give some kind of notice if it is not "with cause" but you say they have "cause". The president is commander in chief and these contracts are with DoD. The real reason they can't cancel the contracts is they don't have 60,000-70,000 extra soldiers hanging around to replace them. It would take over a year to recruit and train that many people. That would be a massive program in itself, like something we haven't seen in 60 years. The cost would far eclipse anything we might pay the contractors. Nope. Doesn't work like that. A contract is a contract, and they would have to be subject to due process before being "fired." What it has to do with religion?? Give me a break. The agenda from that group is quite clear. BW is one of the elements of that agenda. It sounds like you are the one with the agenda. There has always be a pretty strong association between the military and the church. Why do you think they have chaplains in every unit? Chaplains in the military have nothing to do with right wing religious cults funding private armies. My "agenda" is to not let you get away with making false assumptions turn into facts. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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