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I am Tosk wrote:
I don't care who did this, we gotta' stop it fast!! Kick 'em all out, start over. http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Just frekin' crazy... What about your debt, ****head? You know, the $25,000 you owe the hospital. |
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On Jan 12, 1:42*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"I am Tosk" wrote in ... I don't care who did this, we gotta' stop it fast!! Kick 'em all out, start over. http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Just frekin' crazy... It's an interesting site. Thanks. It's not as scary as it looks. We've got problems, big ones, but we're not in crisis mode as far as debt and deficit goes. -- Nom=de=Plume It's made to look scary. The left did the same thing when Bush was in office, and it looked just as impressive. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"I am Tosk" wrote in message ... I don't care who did this, we gotta' stop it fast!! Kick 'em all out, start over. http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Just frekin' crazy... It's an interesting site. Thanks. It's not as scary as it looks. We've got problems, big ones, but we're not in crisis mode as far as debt and deficit goes. You sound like Barney. |
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"Loogypicker" wrote in message ... On Jan 12, 1:42 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "I am Tosk" wrote in ... I don't care who did this, we gotta' stop it fast!! Kick 'em all out, start over. http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Just frekin' crazy... It's an interesting site. Thanks. It's not as scary as it looks. We've got problems, big ones, but we're not in crisis mode as far as debt and deficit goes. -- Nom=de=Plume It's made to look scary. The left did the same thing when Bush was in office, and it looked just as impressive. Don't stick your heads in the sand people! Party affiliations won't matter when the producers of this country realize they are being bled dry by the "guvment". The poor, unskilled, welfare cheats didn't build this country. Wake up! |
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On 12-Jan-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't care who did this, we gotta' stop it fast!! Kick 'em all out, start over. http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Just frekin' crazy... It's an interesting site. Thanks. It's not as scary as it looks. We've got problems, big ones, but we're not in crisis mode as far as debt and deficit goes. As soon as foreign succesful, functional countries like red China and Japan quit financing the whoreish follies of the U.S., the U.S. has no choice but to default, and your Walmart wages won't even keep you in cheap Asian automobiles or junk from 3rd world countries. Give up on the government - YOU can change it, the parasites in congress or any administration will not. |
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"Loogypicker" wrote in message
... On Jan 12, 1:42 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "I am Tosk" wrote in ... I don't care who did this, we gotta' stop it fast!! Kick 'em all out, start over. http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Just frekin' crazy... It's an interesting site. Thanks. It's not as scary as it looks. We've got problems, big ones, but we're not in crisis mode as far as debt and deficit goes. -- Nom=de=Plume It's made to look scary. The left did the same thing when Bush was in office, and it looked just as impressive. Well, it's definitely a concern, but the really scary issues as far as society and economics goes concern corporations vs. individuals, e.g., healthcare, environment, etc. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On 12-Jan-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't care who did this, we gotta' stop it fast!! Kick 'em all out, start over. http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Just frekin' crazy... It's an interesting site. Thanks. It's not as scary as it looks. We've got problems, big ones, but we're not in crisis mode as far as debt and deficit goes. As soon as foreign succesful, functional countries like red China and Japan quit financing the whoreish follies of the U.S., the U.S. has no choice but to default, and your Walmart wages won't even keep you in cheap Asian automobiles or junk from 3rd world countries. Give up on the government - YOU can change it, the parasites in congress or any administration will not. It's unlikely that China is going to "quit financing" the US. They're making money on the financing, and we pay our debts. FYI, the people are the gov't. One changes the officials via elections, at least that's how it's worked (mostly well) for the last 200+ years. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 12-Jan-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Give up on the government - YOU can change it, the parasites in congress or any administration will not. It's unlikely that China is going to "quit financing" the US. They're making money on the financing, and we pay our debts. The U.S. (meaning you) are not paying the debts, or they'd be decreasing. Red China needs the U.S., but when a company, for example, has a necessary but faltering supplier (supplier in this case being a customer base) they acquire the supplier. The U.S. cannot exist for 10 more years independently unless the population gets off their dead ass and cleans up their act. FYI, the people are the gov't. One changes the officials via elections, at least that's how it's worked (mostly well) for the last 200+ years. The government is not the people, despite what the lemmings are told in government schools. "The people" participate in mock elections to select a candidate from one of the domineering parties. Considering the U.S. is approaching third world status financially, productively, educationally, socially and culturally, I'd hardly call it a success. Within 10 years the U.S. will closely resemble the economic vitality Venezuela. This was ALL enabled by the behavior of the population. There is nothing apparent that will change that behavior. "Where's all my free crap? WAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!" |
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... On 12-Jan-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Give up on the government - YOU can change it, the parasites in congress or any administration will not. It's unlikely that China is going to "quit financing" the US. They're making money on the financing, and we pay our debts. The U.S. (meaning you) are not paying the debts, or they'd be decreasing. Red China needs the U.S., but when a company, for example, has a necessary but faltering supplier (supplier in this case being a customer base) they acquire the supplier. The U.S. cannot exist for 10 more years independently unless the population gets off their dead ass and cleans up their act. FYI, the people are the gov't. One changes the officials via elections, at least that's how it's worked (mostly well) for the last 200+ years. The government is not the people, despite what the lemmings are told in government schools. "The people" participate in mock elections to select a candidate from one of the domineering parties. Considering the U.S. is approaching third world status financially, productively, educationally, socially and culturally, I'd hardly call it a success. Within 10 years the U.S. will closely resemble the economic vitality Venezuela. This was ALL enabled by the behavior of the population. There is nothing apparent that will change that behavior. "Where's all my free crap? WAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!" We are paying the debts, just as many credit card holders pay the minimum payment. China, as I said, won't likely call the notes, since they're making money off of our servicing the debt. You need a civics lesson. We'll certainly log your prediction... in the round file. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 12-Jan-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Where's all my free crap? WAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!" We are paying the debts, just as many credit card holders pay the minimum payment. China, as I said, won't likely call the notes, since they're making money off of our servicing the debt. You need a civics lesson. We'll certainly log your prediction... in the round file. So you enjoy the demise and current status. That's your option. I moved my production to to Southeast Asia. "Americans" don't care where products come from, don't mind the high prices, and are satisfied by scraps from their rulers. I respect your choice. I just cannot condone the conditions myself. |
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... On 12-Jan-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Where's all my free crap? WAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!" We are paying the debts, just as many credit card holders pay the minimum payment. China, as I said, won't likely call the notes, since they're making money off of our servicing the debt. You need a civics lesson. We'll certainly log your prediction... in the round file. So you enjoy the demise and current status. That's your option. I moved my production to to Southeast Asia. "Americans" don't care where products come from, don't mind the high prices, and are satisfied by scraps from their rulers. I respect your choice. I just cannot condone the conditions myself. Enjoy the demise??? Demise of what? The demise? Is the sky falling yet? You skedaddled because you're a patriot? Americans do care when presented with facts not fear. My choice is to remain and fight for right. I don't respect a choice that involves quiting. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Steve" wrote in message ... On 12-Jan-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't care who did this, we gotta' stop it fast!! Kick 'em all out, start over. http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Just frekin' crazy... It's an interesting site. Thanks. It's not as scary as it looks. We've got problems, big ones, but we're not in crisis mode as far as debt and deficit goes. As soon as foreign succesful, functional countries like red China and Japan quit financing the whoreish follies of the U.S., the U.S. has no choice but to default, and your Walmart wages won't even keep you in cheap Asian automobiles or junk from 3rd world countries. Give up on the government - YOU can change it, the parasites in congress or any administration will not. Last weekend I listened to an interesting discussion on a radio station regarding the economic condition in the USA. It was surprising and revealing because it did not focus on the media hype we hear everyday. A few summary points that were made: Roughly 85 percent of the average American's income is spent on non-discretionary spending, meaning mortgage payments, rent, car payments, food, utilities ... etc. This spending does not go directly to off shore manufacturing companies or Wal-Mart. Even in these tough recessionary times, most people are staying above water with these spending obligations. There are those in trouble for sure and they need assistance getting through tough times, but the majority are holding their own. What is down big-time is discretionary spending which accounts for the other 15 percent of all spending. This includes entertainment, going out to dinner, and the purchase of items not necessary, but desired. Of this 15 percent, only 25 percent of *it* is spent on items manufactured overseas. Gives you an idea of the size of the overall US economy. The economy isn't in a downward free-fall. The biggest problem that exists in this recession is unemployment. If the government is going to help anything, it should be focusing on the creation of jobs, not bailouts to financial institutions. There is some evidence that the current administration has finally come around to understanding this. The jobs can't be temporary *make work* programs. The way to create jobs is to stimulate and encourage businesses, primarily small ones, to expand and hire. So far, the approach has been economic band-aids. Things will get better when solid, beneficial initiatives are put in place that benefit small business if they expand, grow and hire. Now back to your regular programming .... Eisboch |
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... "Steve" wrote in message ... On 12-Jan-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't care who did this, we gotta' stop it fast!! Kick 'em all out, start over. http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Just frekin' crazy... It's an interesting site. Thanks. It's not as scary as it looks. We've got problems, big ones, but we're not in crisis mode as far as debt and deficit goes. As soon as foreign succesful, functional countries like red China and Japan quit financing the whoreish follies of the U.S., the U.S. has no choice but to default, and your Walmart wages won't even keep you in cheap Asian automobiles or junk from 3rd world countries. Give up on the government - YOU can change it, the parasites in congress or any administration will not. Last weekend I listened to an interesting discussion on a radio station regarding the economic condition in the USA. It was surprising and revealing because it did not focus on the media hype we hear everyday. A few summary points that were made: Roughly 85 percent of the average American's income is spent on non-discretionary spending, meaning mortgage payments, rent, car payments, food, utilities ... etc. This spending does not go directly to off shore manufacturing companies or Wal-Mart. Even in these tough recessionary times, most people are staying above water with these spending obligations. There are those in trouble for sure and they need assistance getting through tough times, but the majority are holding their own. What is down big-time is discretionary spending which accounts for the other 15 percent of all spending. This includes entertainment, going out to dinner, and the purchase of items not necessary, but desired. Of this 15 percent, only 25 percent of *it* is spent on items manufactured overseas. Gives you an idea of the size of the overall US economy. The economy isn't in a downward free-fall. The biggest problem that exists in this recession is unemployment. If the government is going to help anything, it should be focusing on the creation of jobs, not bailouts to financial institutions. There is some evidence that the current administration has finally come around to understanding this. The jobs can't be temporary *make work* programs. The way to create jobs is to stimulate and encourage businesses, primarily small ones, to expand and hire. So far, the approach has been economic band-aids. Things will get better when solid, beneficial initiatives are put in place that benefit small business if they expand, grow and hire. Now back to your regular programming .... Eisboch Sounds very reasonable. Who were you listening to? I've heard very similar from someone (can't remember the name) on one of the many NPR shows. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 12-Jan-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: So you enjoy the demise and current status. That's your option. I moved my production to to Southeast Asia. "Americans" don't care where products come from, don't mind the high prices, and are satisfied by scraps from their rulers. I respect your choice. I just cannot condone the conditions myself. Enjoy the demise??? Demise of what? The demise? Is the sky falling yet? The only way you would have not witnessed the demise would be if you are extremely young. Perhaps you don't recall the era of a well-to-do middle class and thriving core industries. You skedaddled because you're a patriot? Americans do care when presented with facts not fear. I moved operations for 2 reasons - 1) the customers were no longer in North America, and 2) the countries the production moved to do not permit machinery and technology from the U.S. Japan is by far the worst offender, Korea 10% less prohibitive, red China will import from the U.S. if first sent to Korea in pieces, assembled, then sold into red China. 3 months later your systems will be cloned and you're still out in the dark. Why would any company remain in the U.S. when trade policies provide for such absurdities. The company needs to get out. Americans do NOT care where their junk comes from. It can't be from lack of information, which only leaves stupidity and/or sloth. The typical "American" reaction is "the companies are mismanaged, can't compete..." That points toward stupidity. Administrations put policies in effect that allow any country's firms to dump into the U.S., and at the same time, Japan, Korea and China tell the U.S. producers to F.O. The market is gone, and inferior products are sent to the U.S. which costs 80% less to produce, but sell for 15% less than when produced in the U.S. Again, it has to be the stupidity of "Americans." My choice is to remain and fight for right. I don't respect a choice that involves quiting. "Quitting" the economic battle in the U.S. now is the same quitting screwing the wife that divorced you 20 years ago. The only industries left in the U.S. are those that are still protected by intellectual property (and not yet cloned by China) dying, or where freight cost considerations make shipping from overseas impractical. GM, Ford and Chrysler will also be moving offshore, performing all fixed costs overseas, export, and operating final assembly plants in the U.S. This mode works for Toyota, Honda, and at the highest degree, Hyundai/Kia. All are well below 50% U.S. content (Toyota, Honda up to about 35-40% depending on model) Hyundai is around 10%. "Americans" don't care. They are so dumbed-down they think "it's all George Bush's fault" and squeal for handouts from money the U.S. government borrows from the producer countries. That's not complicated. "...but...but...but....it's made in Alabama." Hahhahahahahha. ............sure. Yep, it's stupidity. The U.S. is now a merchant economy, like Peru, Syria, Cambodia, Philippines, etc. - poor people selling essentials and trinkets to each other while earning minimum wages. OH! Almot forgot the growth industries...government "employment" and money laundering. |
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On 13-Jan-2010, "Eisboch" wrote: The way to create jobs is to stimulate and encourage businesses, primarily small ones, to expand and hire. So far, the approach has been economic band-aids. Things will get better when solid, beneficial initiatives are put in place that benefit small business if they expand, grow and hire. The points in the earlier portion of your posting are erroneous Re the above what is "stimulate" business? What stimulates business is demand, if the costs of operating the business can make the process profitable. The costs of operating in the U.S. are absurd, particularly when any company anywhere with 3rd world wages can dump into your marketplace. No business will "expand, grow and hire..." if the operating costs of are prohibitive, and that's not about to change, especially when you elect dirtbags that rant they will make "corporations pay their fare share." The scumbags have taught "Americans" that companies are evil, and the scumbags will penalize them if elected. Good f**king luck. The U.S. is done. By the way, sending money to mortgage companies for home and cars build with various degrees of foreign materials is not U.S. content. It's 3rd world. Homes are still likely 80-85% U.S. content. 60% of the autos sold in the U.S. don't reach 50%. 90% of small home furnishings are imports. Remember when there was a company called Maytag??? Don't get me wrong - I don't care - I'm not that inflexible. The U.S. will never be the country it was 30 years ago. BFD |
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"Steve" wrote in message ... Don't get me wrong - I don't care - I'm not that inflexible. The U.S. will never be the country it was 30 years ago. BFD I hope not. 10.8% unemployment or more, interest rates near 20% and 12% inflation. Eisboch |
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... On 12-Jan-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: So you enjoy the demise and current status. That's your option. I moved my production to to Southeast Asia. "Americans" don't care where products come from, don't mind the high prices, and are satisfied by scraps from their rulers. I respect your choice. I just cannot condone the conditions myself. Enjoy the demise??? Demise of what? The demise? Is the sky falling yet? The only way you would have not witnessed the demise would be if you are extremely young. Perhaps you don't recall the era of a well-to-do middle class and thriving core industries. Come on... the US economy is fine. It's got problems, but it's not going to collapse, except in a conspiracy fantasy. You skedaddled because you're a patriot? Americans do care when presented with facts not fear. I moved operations for 2 reasons - 1) the customers were no longer in North America, and 2) the countries the production moved to do not permit machinery and technology from the U.S. Japan is by far the worst offender, Korea 10% less prohibitive, red China will import from the U.S. if first sent to Korea in pieces, assembled, then sold into red China. 3 months later your systems will be cloned and you're still out in the dark. Why would any company remain in the U.S. when trade policies provide for such absurdities. The company needs to get out. Americans do NOT care where their junk comes from. It can't be from lack of information, which only leaves stupidity and/or sloth. Feel free not to come back or to sell to Americans. Obviously, we're stupid. The typical "American" reaction is "the companies are mismanaged, can't compete..." That points toward stupidity. Administrations put policies in effect that allow any country's firms to dump into the U.S., and at the same time, Japan, Korea and China tell the U.S. producers to F.O. The market is gone, and inferior products are sent to the U.S. which costs 80% less to produce, but sell for 15% less than when produced in the U.S. Again, it has to be the stupidity of "Americans." Some companies are mis-managed. Others are not and do fine. Sounds like you don't understand the basics of international trade agreements. They're not perfect, but they mostly work. My choice is to remain and fight for right. I don't respect a choice that involves quiting. "Quitting" the economic battle in the U.S. now is the same quitting screwing the wife that divorced you 20 years ago. ?? Quiting is being unwilling to stand up for chance. The only industries left in the U.S. are those that are still protected by intellectual property (and not yet cloned by China) dying, or where freight cost considerations make shipping from overseas impractical. GM, Ford and Chrysler will also be moving offshore, performing all fixed costs overseas, export, and operating final assembly plants in the U.S. This mode works for Toyota, Honda, and at the highest degree, Hyundai/Kia. All are well below 50% U.S. content (Toyota, Honda up to about 35-40% depending on model) Hyundai is around 10%. "Americans" don't care. They are so dumbed-down they think "it's all George Bush's fault" and squeal for handouts from money the U.S. government borrows from the producer countries. That's not complicated. For the car industry perhaps. Perhaps not. There are plenty of small car companies that are going for it. "...but...but...but....it's made in Alabama." Hahhahahahahha. ...........sure. Yep, it's stupidity. The U.S. is now a merchant economy, like Peru, Syria, Cambodia, Philippines, etc. - poor people selling essentials and trinkets to each other while earning minimum wages. OH! Almot forgot the growth industries...government "employment" and money laundering. Like I said, feel free not to come back. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 13-Jan-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Some companies are mis-managed. Others are not and do fine. Sounds like you don't understand the basics of international trade agreements. They're not perfect, but they mostly work. Precisely. The Chinese and Japanese are doing fine. Even India is becoming a producer. I leave Sunday - few system will come to the U.S.; most of my equipment will be shipped to Asia, so products can be shipped to you. Walmart has an excellent benefits plan........... |
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On 13-Jan-2010, "Eisboch" wrote: Don't get me wrong - I don't care - I'm not that inflexible. The U.S. will never be the country it was 30 years ago. BFD I hope not. 10.8% unemployment or more, interest rates near 20% and 12% inflation. Those conditions lasted 3 to 4 years - the U.S. has been nose diving following a brief period of productive growth. Since the late 80's, the U.S. has been losing core production like the famous loud sucking sound. There are acrtually 2 loud sucking sounds - producers leaving, and the fat masses sucking the huge government nipple as a result. After the late 70's early 80's debacle, core industries that survived, thrived, and employed millions. Those are gone for at least 3 to 4 generations until costs (wages, materials and taxes) reach an equilibrium with the 3rd world. THAT is because those functions are no longer needed in the U.S, and neither are engineers, designers, chemists, metallurgists, managers, machine designers, forging companies, castings, conveyors, robots, tool makers, steel producers............ There are still high wage jobs, but not everyone can aspire to be the head cook at the K-Mart dining room. |
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