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Loogypicker[_2_] January 3rd 10 07:23 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...ns-pants-fire/

bpuharic January 3rd 10 07:56 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:23:53 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:

Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...ns-pants-fire/


dick cheney...al qaida's best friend in america

he's a traitor


I am Tosk January 3rd 10 10:15 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...

Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...ns-pants-fire/

Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...

Harry[_2_] January 3rd 10 10:18 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...
Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...ns-pants-fire/

Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...



Uh...this was about Cheney, **** for brains.

C-H-E-N-E-Y

Had you gotten past the second grade, you'd realize Cheney and Bush are
not spelled the same.


TopBassDog January 3rd 10 10:50 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
On Jan 3, 1:56*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:23:53 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker

wrote:
Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...


dick cheney...al qaida's best friend in america

he's a traitor


wf3h,

Are you still blaming Cheney for your poor stock market choices?

Canuck57[_9_] January 3rd 10 11:39 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
On 03/01/2010 12:23 PM, Loogypicker wrote:
Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...ns-pants-fire/


Depends, are we basing the award on what obama say or does?

bpuharic January 4th 10 01:16 AM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:50:24 -0800 (PST), TopBassDog
wrote:

On Jan 3, 1:56*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:23:53 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker

wrote:
Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...


dick cheney...al qaida's best friend in america

he's a traitor


wf3h,

Are you still blaming Cheney for your poor stock market choices?


ROFLMAO!! yeah. me and AIG!!

you're an idiot!

Harry[_2_] January 4th 10 01:17 AM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:50:24 -0800 (PST), TopBassDog
wrote:

On Jan 3, 1:56 pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:23:53 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker

wrote:
Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...
dick cheney...al qaida's best friend in america

he's a traitor

wf3h,

Are you still blaming Cheney for your poor stock market choices?


ROFLMAO!! yeah. me and AIG!!

you're an idiot!



Bingo.

Loogypicker[_2_] January 4th 10 01:47 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
On Jan 3, 5:15*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...



Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...


Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...


Where'd I mention anything about Bush????

Loogypicker[_2_] January 4th 10 01:48 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
On Jan 3, 5:15*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...



Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...


Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...


I also notice, that you attack the messenger, but say NOTHING about
the message.

Loogypicker[_2_] January 4th 10 01:49 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
On Jan 3, 6:39*pm, Canuck57 wrote:
On 03/01/2010 12:23 PM, Loogypicker wrote:

Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...


Depends, are we basing the award on what obama say or does?


That's a silly question. No matter what Obama does or does not do has
no bearing on what Cheney DID.

I am Tosk January 4th 10 01:51 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
In article cbbda9f4-1046-4c11-8541-c02fcbc8db87@
26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jan 3, 5:15*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...



Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...

Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...


I also notice, that you attack the messenger, but say NOTHING about
the message.


Oh, you just noticed that?? How about noticing that I have not been
participating in political OT **** since a month or two back when you
gave me soooo much **** about I stopped and started reading another
group more often.. I did notice that you are still at it though, so be
it...

I am Tosk January 4th 10 01:55 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
In article cbbda9f4-1046-4c11-8541-c02fcbc8db87@
26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jan 3, 5:15*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...



Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...

Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...


I also notice, that you attack the messenger, but say NOTHING about
the message.


Sooo, I follow the link and find a missing page holder that pretty much
shows where the mindset of the website is though... A shot at Cheney as
a missing page holder and you want me to address the message. Next you
will be asking me to comment on reports on The Daily Hoax, or the New
York Lies! Either way, I have work to do...

Harry[_2_] January 4th 10 01:55 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
I am Tosk wrote:
In article cbbda9f4-1046-4c11-8541-c02fcbc8db87@
26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...
On Jan 3, 5:15 pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...



Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...
Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...

I also notice, that you attack the messenger, but say NOTHING about
the message.


Oh, you just noticed that?? How about noticing that I have not been
participating in political OT **** since a month or two back when you
gave me soooo much **** about I stopped and started reading another
group more often.. I did notice that you are still at it though, so be
it...



Some of us were hopeful you were working some sort of job, so you could
pay off that $25000 hospital bill...you know, so the rest of us who have
insurance and jobs wouldn't have to pick up the tab when you default.


Loogypicker[_2_] January 4th 10 02:09 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
On Jan 4, 8:55*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article cbbda9f4-1046-4c11-8541-c02fcbc8db87@
26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...







On Jan 3, 5:15*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...


Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...


Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...


I also notice, that you attack the messenger, but say NOTHING about
the message.


Sooo, I follow the link and find a missing page holder that pretty much
shows where the mindset of the website is though... A shot at Cheney as
a missing page holder and you want me to address the message. Next you
will be asking me to comment on reports on The Daily Hoax, or the New
York Lies! Either way, I have work to do...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Here you go, allow me to help.:

In his latest attack on President Barack Obama, former Vice President
Dick Cheney seized on the attempted bombing of a Detroit-bound
jetliner to suggest that Obama is weak on terrorism.

"As I’ve watched the events of the last few days it is clear once
again that President Obama is trying to pretend we are not at war,"
Cheney said. "He seems to think if he has a low-key response to an
attempt to blow up an airliner and kill hundreds of people, we won’t
be at war. He seems to think if he gives terrorists the rights of
Americans, lets them lawyer up and reads them their Miranda rights, we
won’t be at war. He seems to think if we bring the mastermind of Sept.
11 to New York, give him a lawyer and trial in civilian court, we
won’t be at war.

"He seems to think if he closes Guantanamo and releases the hard-core
al-Qaida-trained terrorists still there, we won’t be at war. He seems
to think if he gets rid of the words, 'war on terror,' we won't be at
war. But we are at war and when President Obama pretends we aren’t, it
makes us less safe. Why doesn’t he want to admit we’re at war? It
doesn’t fit with the view of the world he brought with him to the Oval
Office. It doesn’t fit with what seems to be the goal of his
presidency — social transformation — the restructuring of American
society. President Obama’s first object and his highest responsibility
must be to defend us against an enemy that knows we are at war."

Cheney's comments echo a frequent criticism by conservatives that
President Obama does not use the phrase "war on terror." We rated that
True when it was made by talk show host Sean Hannity in November 2009.
We noted in our ruling that Obama had said he didn't use the more
general phrase "war on terror" because he viewed the conflict as a war
against "some terrorist organizations."

With his statement to Politico, Cheney is going farther than Hannity
did, directly alleging that Obama will not "admit we're at war."

But a review of Obama's statements of the past year makes it clear he
has often said the United States is at war against terrorist
organizations.

The fifth paragraph of his inaugural address: "Our nation is at war
against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred."

In a February 2009 CNN interview: "I think it is very important for us
to recognize that we have a battle or a war against some terrorist
organizations."

In a March 2009 speech: He said that people might ask why the United
States is at war and said, "Al-Qaida and its allies, the terrorists
who planned and supported the 9/11 attacks, are in Pakistan and
Afghanistan. Multiple intelligence estimates have warned that al-Qaida
is actively planning attacks on the United States homeland from its
safe haven in Pakistan."

In his December 2009 speech at West Point on his decision to send more
troops to Afghanistan: He repeatedly called it a war and said, "I make
this decision because I am convinced that our security is at stake in
Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is the epicenter of violent extremism
practiced by al-Qaida."

In his speech accepting the Nobel Peace Prize: He said that "we are at
war" and noted that "the world rallied around America after the 9/11
attacks, and continues to support our efforts in Afghanistan, because
of the horror of those senseless attacks and the recognized principle
of self-defense."

Cheney has offered lots of criticism of Obama in the past year (of the
claims we've rated, Cheney has earned a True and a Mostly True). His
remarks here go beyond opinion because he repeatedly says that Obama
won't acknowledge that the United States is at war. But even a cursory
examination of Obama's statements shows this one is preposterous.
Obama has often said the United States is at war against terrorist
organizations -- and has ordered a massive increase in U.S. troops in
Afghanistan to fight that war. So Cheney's comment isn't just False,
it's ridiculously so. Pants on Fire!

Loogypicker[_2_] January 4th 10 02:10 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
On Jan 4, 8:51*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article cbbda9f4-1046-4c11-8541-c02fcbc8db87@
26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...







On Jan 3, 5:15*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...


Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...


Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...


I also notice, that you attack the messenger, but say NOTHING about
the message.


Oh, you just noticed that?? How about noticing that I have not been
participating in political OT **** since a month or two back when you
gave me soooo much **** about I stopped and started reading another
group more often.. I did notice that you are still at it though, so be
it...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Then why were you compelled to reply? Oh, wait, I know! Because you
had to try and protect the right at all costs!

Harry[_2_] January 4th 10 02:49 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
Harry wrote:
I am Tosk wrote:
In article cbbda9f4-1046-4c11-8541-c02fcbc8db87@
26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...
On Jan 3, 5:15 pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...



Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...

Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...
I also notice, that you attack the messenger, but say NOTHING about
the message.


Oh, you just noticed that?? How about noticing that I have not been
participating in political OT **** since a month or two back when you
gave me soooo much **** about I stopped and started reading another
group more often.. I did notice that you are still at it though, so be
it...



Some of us were hopeful you were working some sort of job, so you could
pay off that $25000 hospital bill...you know, so the rest of us who have
insurance and jobs wouldn't have to pick up the tab when you default.

You should be happy to help out. Any good socialist would.

Harry[_2_] January 4th 10 02:52 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
I am Tosk wrote:
In article cbbda9f4-1046-4c11-8541-c02fcbc8db87@
26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...
On Jan 3, 5:15 pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...



Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...
Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...

I also notice, that you attack the messenger, but say NOTHING about
the message.


Sooo, I follow the link and find a missing page holder that pretty much
shows where the mindset of the website is though... A shot at Cheney as
a missing page holder and you want me to address the message. Next you
will be asking me to comment on reports on The Daily Hoax, or the New
York Lies! Either way, I have work to do...


Harry hates Tosk and Loogie
Loogie hates Tosk and Harry
Tosk hates harry and lookie

What a toxic threesome you make.

I am Tosk January 4th 10 02:54 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
In article d077a95d-2d5f-4c3f-a279-
, says...

On Jan 4, 8:55*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article cbbda9f4-1046-4c11-8541-c02fcbc8db87@
26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...







On Jan 3, 5:15*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...


Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...

Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...


I also notice, that you attack the messenger, but say NOTHING about
the message.


Sooo, I follow the link and find a missing page holder that pretty much
shows where the mindset of the website is though... A shot at Cheney as
a missing page holder and you want me to address the message. Next you
will be asking me to comment on reports on The Daily Hoax, or the New
York Lies! Either way, I have work to do...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Here you go, allow me to help.:

In his latest attack on President Barack Obama, former Vice President
Dick Cheney seized on the attempted bombing of a Detroit-bound
jetliner to suggest that Obama is weak on terrorism.

"As I?ve watched the events of the last few days it is clear once
again that President Obama is trying to pretend we are not at war,"
Cheney said. "He seems to think if he has a low-key response to an
attempt to blow up an airliner and kill hundreds of people, we won?t
be at war. He seems to think if he gives terrorists the rights of
Americans, lets them lawyer up and reads them their Miranda rights, we
won?t be at war. He seems to think if we bring the mastermind of Sept.
11 to New York, give him a lawyer and trial in civilian court, we
won?t be at war.

"He seems to think if he closes Guantanamo and releases the hard-core
al-Qaida-trained terrorists still there, we won?t be at war. He seems
to think if he gets rid of the words, 'war on terror,' we won't be at
war. But we are at war and when President Obama pretends we aren?t, it
makes us less safe. Why doesn?t he want to admit we?re at war? It
doesn?t fit with the view of the world he brought with him to the Oval
Office. It doesn?t fit with what seems to be the goal of his
presidency ? social transformation ? the restructuring of American
society. President Obama?s first object and his highest responsibility
must be to defend us against an enemy that knows we are at war."

Cheney's comments echo a frequent criticism by conservatives that
President Obama does not use the phrase "war on terror." We rated that
True when it was made by talk show host Sean Hannity in November 2009.
We noted in our ruling that Obama had said he didn't use the more
general phrase "war on terror" because he viewed the conflict as a war
against "some terrorist organizations."

With his statement to Politico, Cheney is going farther than Hannity
did, directly alleging that Obama will not "admit we're at war."

But a review of Obama's statements of the past year makes it clear he
has often said the United States is at war against terrorist
organizations.

The fifth paragraph of his inaugural address: "Our nation is at war
against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred."

In a February 2009 CNN interview: "I think it is very important for us
to recognize that we have a battle or a war against some terrorist
organizations."

In a March 2009 speech: He said that people might ask why the United
States is at war and said, "Al-Qaida and its allies, the terrorists
who planned and supported the 9/11 attacks, are in Pakistan and
Afghanistan. Multiple intelligence estimates have warned that al-Qaida
is actively planning attacks on the United States homeland from its
safe haven in Pakistan."

In his December 2009 speech at West Point on his decision to send more
troops to Afghanistan: He repeatedly called it a war and said, "I make
this decision because I am convinced that our security is at stake in
Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is the epicenter of violent extremism
practiced by al-Qaida."

In his speech accepting the Nobel Peace Prize: He said that "we are at
war" and noted that "the world rallied around America after the 9/11
attacks, and continues to support our efforts in Afghanistan, because
of the horror of those senseless attacks and the recognized principle
of self-defense."

Cheney has offered lots of criticism of Obama in the past year (of the
claims we've rated, Cheney has earned a True and a Mostly True). His
remarks here go beyond opinion because he repeatedly says that Obama
won't acknowledge that the United States is at war. But even a cursory
examination of Obama's statements shows this one is preposterous.
Obama has often said the United States is at war against terrorist
organizations -- and has ordered a massive increase in U.S. troops in
Afghanistan to fight that war. So Cheney's comment isn't just False,
it's ridiculously so. Pants on Fire!


A whole thread and article (talking point) on semantics? Pffftttt. Next
you will be trying to tell me what "is, is"!

Told you before, I won't argue "settled facts" with you anymore...

I am Tosk January 4th 10 02:55 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
In article 2f9433ca-74ba-4b61-b80f-23ca061f0857
@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jan 4, 8:51*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article cbbda9f4-1046-4c11-8541-c02fcbc8db87@
26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...







On Jan 3, 5:15*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...


Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...

Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...


I also notice, that you attack the messenger, but say NOTHING about
the message.


Oh, you just noticed that?? How about noticing that I have not been
participating in political OT **** since a month or two back when you
gave me soooo much **** about I stopped and started reading another
group more often.. I did notice that you are still at it though, so be
it...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Then why were you compelled to reply? Oh, wait, I know! Because you
had to try and protect the right at all costs!


Every once in a while I note the obvious...;)

Loogypicker[_2_] January 4th 10 03:19 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
On Jan 4, 9:54*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d077a95d-2d5f-4c3f-a279-
, says...







On Jan 4, 8:55 am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article cbbda9f4-1046-4c11-8541-c02fcbc8db87@
26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...


On Jan 3, 5:15 pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...


Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...


Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...


I also notice, that you attack the messenger, but say NOTHING about
the message.


Sooo, I follow the link and find a missing page holder that pretty much
shows where the mindset of the website is though... A shot at Cheney as
a missing page holder and you want me to address the message. Next you
will be asking me to comment on reports on The Daily Hoax, or the New
York Lies! Either way, I have work to do...- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Here you go, allow me to help.:


In his latest attack on President Barack Obama, former Vice President
Dick Cheney seized on the attempted bombing of a Detroit-bound
jetliner to suggest that Obama is weak on terrorism.


"As I?ve watched the events of the last few days it is clear once
again that President Obama is trying to pretend we are not at war,"
Cheney said. "He seems to think if he has a low-key response to an
attempt to blow up an airliner and kill hundreds of people, we won?t
be at war. He seems to think if he gives terrorists the rights of
Americans, lets them lawyer up and reads them their Miranda rights, we
won?t be at war. He seems to think if we bring the mastermind of Sept.
11 to New York, give him a lawyer and trial in civilian court, we
won?t be at war.


"He seems to think if he closes Guantanamo and releases the hard-core
al-Qaida-trained terrorists still there, we won?t be at war. He seems
to think if he gets rid of the words, 'war on terror,' we won't be at
war. But we are at war and when President Obama pretends we aren?t, it
makes us less safe. Why doesn?t he want to admit we?re at war? It
doesn?t fit with the view of the world he brought with him to the Oval
Office. It doesn?t fit with what seems to be the goal of his
presidency ? social transformation ? the restructuring of American
society. President Obama?s first object and his highest responsibility
must be to defend us against an enemy that knows we are at war."


Cheney's comments echo a frequent criticism by conservatives that
President Obama does not use the phrase "war on terror." We rated that
True when it was made by talk show host Sean Hannity in November 2009.
We noted in our ruling that Obama had said he didn't use the more
general phrase "war on terror" because he viewed the conflict as a war
against "some terrorist organizations."


With his statement to Politico, Cheney is going farther than Hannity
did, directly alleging that Obama will not "admit we're at war."


But a review of Obama's statements of the past year makes it clear he
has often said the United States is at war against terrorist
organizations.


The fifth paragraph of his inaugural address: "Our nation is at war
against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred."


In a February 2009 CNN interview: "I think it is very important for us
to recognize that we have a battle or a war against some terrorist
organizations."


In a March 2009 speech: He said that people might ask why the United
States is at war and said, "Al-Qaida and its allies, the terrorists
who planned and supported the 9/11 attacks, are in Pakistan and
Afghanistan. Multiple intelligence estimates have warned that al-Qaida
is actively planning attacks on the United States homeland from its
safe haven in Pakistan."


In his December 2009 speech at West Point on his decision to send more
troops to Afghanistan: He repeatedly called it a war and said, "I make
this decision because I am convinced that our security is at stake in
Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is the epicenter of violent extremism
practiced by al-Qaida."


In his speech accepting the Nobel Peace Prize: He said that "we are at
war" and noted that "the world rallied around America after the 9/11
attacks, and continues to support our efforts in Afghanistan, because
of the horror of those senseless attacks and the recognized principle
of self-defense."


Cheney has offered lots of criticism of Obama in the past year (of the
claims we've rated, Cheney has earned a True and a Mostly True). His
remarks here go beyond opinion because he repeatedly says that Obama
won't acknowledge that the United States is at war. But even a cursory
examination of Obama's statements shows this one is preposterous.
Obama has often said the United States is at war against terrorist
organizations -- and has ordered a massive increase in U.S. troops in
Afghanistan to fight that war. So Cheney's comment isn't just False,
it's ridiculously so. Pants on Fire!


A whole thread and article (talking point) on semantics? Pffftttt. Next
you will be trying to tell me what "is, is"!

Told you before, I won't argue "settled facts" with you anymore...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


It was nothing about semantics. Cheney lied. Again. But of course you
wouldn't admit such....

I am Tosk January 4th 10 04:06 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
In article 4348abf9-a6b5-4550-aacb-d396505079b5
@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jan 4, 9:54*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d077a95d-2d5f-4c3f-a279-
, says...







On Jan 4, 8:55 am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article cbbda9f4-1046-4c11-8541-c02fcbc8db87@
26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...


On Jan 3, 5:15 pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...


Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...

Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...


I also notice, that you attack the messenger, but say NOTHING about
the message.


Sooo, I follow the link and find a missing page holder that pretty much
shows where the mindset of the website is though... A shot at Cheney as
a missing page holder and you want me to address the message. Next you
will be asking me to comment on reports on The Daily Hoax, or the New
York Lies! Either way, I have work to do...- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Here you go, allow me to help.:


In his latest attack on President Barack Obama, former Vice President
Dick Cheney seized on the attempted bombing of a Detroit-bound
jetliner to suggest that Obama is weak on terrorism.


"As I?ve watched the events of the last few days it is clear once
again that President Obama is trying to pretend we are not at war,"
Cheney said. "He seems to think if he has a low-key response to an
attempt to blow up an airliner and kill hundreds of people, we won?t
be at war. He seems to think if he gives terrorists the rights of
Americans, lets them lawyer up and reads them their Miranda rights, we
won?t be at war. He seems to think if we bring the mastermind of Sept.
11 to New York, give him a lawyer and trial in civilian court, we
won?t be at war.


"He seems to think if he closes Guantanamo and releases the hard-core
al-Qaida-trained terrorists still there, we won?t be at war. He seems
to think if he gets rid of the words, 'war on terror,' we won't be at
war. But we are at war and when President Obama pretends we aren?t, it
makes us less safe. Why doesn?t he want to admit we?re at war? It
doesn?t fit with the view of the world he brought with him to the Oval
Office. It doesn?t fit with what seems to be the goal of his
presidency ? social transformation ? the restructuring of American
society. President Obama?s first object and his highest responsibility
must be to defend us against an enemy that knows we are at war."


Cheney's comments echo a frequent criticism by conservatives that
President Obama does not use the phrase "war on terror." We rated that
True when it was made by talk show host Sean Hannity in November 2009.
We noted in our ruling that Obama had said he didn't use the more
general phrase "war on terror" because he viewed the conflict as a war
against "some terrorist organizations."


With his statement to Politico, Cheney is going farther than Hannity
did, directly alleging that Obama will not "admit we're at war."


But a review of Obama's statements of the past year makes it clear he
has often said the United States is at war against terrorist
organizations.


The fifth paragraph of his inaugural address: "Our nation is at war
against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred."


In a February 2009 CNN interview: "I think it is very important for us
to recognize that we have a battle or a war against some terrorist
organizations."


In a March 2009 speech: He said that people might ask why the United
States is at war and said, "Al-Qaida and its allies, the terrorists
who planned and supported the 9/11 attacks, are in Pakistan and
Afghanistan. Multiple intelligence estimates have warned that al-Qaida
is actively planning attacks on the United States homeland from its
safe haven in Pakistan."


In his December 2009 speech at West Point on his decision to send more
troops to Afghanistan: He repeatedly called it a war and said, "I make
this decision because I am convinced that our security is at stake in
Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is the epicenter of violent extremism
practiced by al-Qaida."


In his speech accepting the Nobel Peace Prize: He said that "we are at
war" and noted that "the world rallied around America after the 9/11
attacks, and continues to support our efforts in Afghanistan, because
of the horror of those senseless attacks and the recognized principle
of self-defense."


Cheney has offered lots of criticism of Obama in the past year (of the
claims we've rated, Cheney has earned a True and a Mostly True). His
remarks here go beyond opinion because he repeatedly says that Obama
won't acknowledge that the United States is at war. But even a cursory
examination of Obama's statements shows this one is preposterous.
Obama has often said the United States is at war against terrorist
organizations -- and has ordered a massive increase in U.S. troops in
Afghanistan to fight that war. So Cheney's comment isn't just False,
it's ridiculously so. Pants on Fire!


A whole thread and article (talking point) on semantics? Pffftttt. Next
you will be trying to tell me what "is, is"!

Told you before, I won't argue "settled facts" with you anymore...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


It was nothing about semantics. Cheney lied. Again. But of course you
wouldn't admit such....


Only cause I don't see it the way you do. But you can call me dishonest
for that I guess, if you must;)

Harry[_2_] January 4th 10 04:46 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
In article , naled24511
@mypacks.net says...

I am Tosk wrote:
In article cbbda9f4-1046-4c11-8541-c02fcbc8db87@
26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...
On Jan 3, 5:15 pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...



Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...
Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...
I also notice, that you attack the messenger, but say NOTHING about
the message.


Sooo, I follow the link and find a missing page holder that pretty much
shows where the mindset of the website is though... A shot at Cheney as
a missing page holder and you want me to address the message. Next you
will be asking me to comment on reports on The Daily Hoax, or the New
York Lies! Either way, I have work to do...


Harry hates Tosk and Loogie
Loogie hates Tosk and Harry
Tosk hates harry and lookie

What a toxic threesome you make.


You are an impostor.

Loogypicker[_2_] January 4th 10 05:47 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
On Jan 4, 11:06*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 4348abf9-a6b5-4550-aacb-d396505079b5
@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...







On Jan 4, 9:54*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d077a95d-2d5f-4c3f-a279-
, says....


On Jan 4, 8:55 am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article cbbda9f4-1046-4c11-8541-c02fcbc8db87@
26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...


On Jan 3, 5:15 pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...


Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...


Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...


I also notice, that you attack the messenger, but say NOTHING about
the message.


Sooo, I follow the link and find a missing page holder that pretty much
shows where the mindset of the website is though... A shot at Cheney as
a missing page holder and you want me to address the message. Next you
will be asking me to comment on reports on The Daily Hoax, or the New
York Lies! Either way, I have work to do...- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Here you go, allow me to help.:


In his latest attack on President Barack Obama, former Vice President
Dick Cheney seized on the attempted bombing of a Detroit-bound
jetliner to suggest that Obama is weak on terrorism.


"As I?ve watched the events of the last few days it is clear once
again that President Obama is trying to pretend we are not at war,"
Cheney said. "He seems to think if he has a low-key response to an
attempt to blow up an airliner and kill hundreds of people, we won?t
be at war. He seems to think if he gives terrorists the rights of
Americans, lets them lawyer up and reads them their Miranda rights, we
won?t be at war. He seems to think if we bring the mastermind of Sept.
11 to New York, give him a lawyer and trial in civilian court, we
won?t be at war.


"He seems to think if he closes Guantanamo and releases the hard-core
al-Qaida-trained terrorists still there, we won?t be at war. He seems
to think if he gets rid of the words, 'war on terror,' we won't be at
war. But we are at war and when President Obama pretends we aren?t, it
makes us less safe. Why doesn?t he want to admit we?re at war? It
doesn?t fit with the view of the world he brought with him to the Oval
Office. It doesn?t fit with what seems to be the goal of his
presidency ? social transformation ? the restructuring of American
society. President Obama?s first object and his highest responsibility
must be to defend us against an enemy that knows we are at war."


Cheney's comments echo a frequent criticism by conservatives that
President Obama does not use the phrase "war on terror." We rated that
True when it was made by talk show host Sean Hannity in November 2009.
We noted in our ruling that Obama had said he didn't use the more
general phrase "war on terror" because he viewed the conflict as a war
against "some terrorist organizations."


With his statement to Politico, Cheney is going farther than Hannity
did, directly alleging that Obama will not "admit we're at war."


But a review of Obama's statements of the past year makes it clear he
has often said the United States is at war against terrorist
organizations.


The fifth paragraph of his inaugural address: "Our nation is at war
against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred."


In a February 2009 CNN interview: "I think it is very important for us
to recognize that we have a battle or a war against some terrorist
organizations."


In a March 2009 speech: He said that people might ask why the United
States is at war and said, "Al-Qaida and its allies, the terrorists
who planned and supported the 9/11 attacks, are in Pakistan and
Afghanistan. Multiple intelligence estimates have warned that al-Qaida
is actively planning attacks on the United States homeland from its
safe haven in Pakistan."


In his December 2009 speech at West Point on his decision to send more
troops to Afghanistan: He repeatedly called it a war and said, "I make
this decision because I am convinced that our security is at stake in
Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is the epicenter of violent extremism
practiced by al-Qaida."


In his speech accepting the Nobel Peace Prize: He said that "we are at
war" and noted that "the world rallied around America after the 9/11
attacks, and continues to support our efforts in Afghanistan, because
of the horror of those senseless attacks and the recognized principle
of self-defense."


Cheney has offered lots of criticism of Obama in the past year (of the
claims we've rated, Cheney has earned a True and a Mostly True). His
remarks here go beyond opinion because he repeatedly says that Obama
won't acknowledge that the United States is at war. But even a cursory
examination of Obama's statements shows this one is preposterous.
Obama has often said the United States is at war against terrorist
organizations -- and has ordered a massive increase in U.S. troops in
Afghanistan to fight that war. So Cheney's comment isn't just False,
it's ridiculously so. Pants on Fire!


A whole thread and article (talking point) on semantics? Pffftttt. Next
you will be trying to tell me what "is, is"!


Told you before, I won't argue "settled facts" with you anymore...- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


It was nothing about semantics. Cheney lied. Again. But of course you
wouldn't admit such....


Only cause I don't see it the way you do. But you can call me dishonest
for that I guess, if you must;)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


He lied to the American people, again. Period.

John H[_12_] January 4th 10 09:29 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:23:53 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:

Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...ns-pants-fire/


Yup, sure looks like Cheney made a mistake.

However, you need to focus on the last paragraph:

"Cheney has offered lots of criticism of Obama in the past year (of
the claims we've rated, Cheney has earned a True and a Mostly
True)..."

*That's* the important sentence you seem to have missed.

I am Tosk January 5th 10 04:44 AM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
In article 2c4d0fb7-7460-494e-aa9a-
,
says...

On Jan 4, 11:06*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 4348abf9-a6b5-4550-aacb-d396505079b5
@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...







On Jan 4, 9:54*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d077a95d-2d5f-4c3f-a279-
, says...


On Jan 4, 8:55 am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article cbbda9f4-1046-4c11-8541-c02fcbc8db87@
26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...


On Jan 3, 5:15 pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...


Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...

Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...


I also notice, that you attack the messenger, but say NOTHING about
the message.


Sooo, I follow the link and find a missing page holder that pretty much
shows where the mindset of the website is though... A shot at Cheney as
a missing page holder and you want me to address the message. Next you
will be asking me to comment on reports on The Daily Hoax, or the New
York Lies! Either way, I have work to do...- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Here you go, allow me to help.:


In his latest attack on President Barack Obama, former Vice President
Dick Cheney seized on the attempted bombing of a Detroit-bound
jetliner to suggest that Obama is weak on terrorism.


"As I?ve watched the events of the last few days it is clear once
again that President Obama is trying to pretend we are not at war,"
Cheney said. "He seems to think if he has a low-key response to an
attempt to blow up an airliner and kill hundreds of people, we won?t
be at war. He seems to think if he gives terrorists the rights of
Americans, lets them lawyer up and reads them their Miranda rights, we
won?t be at war. He seems to think if we bring the mastermind of Sept.
11 to New York, give him a lawyer and trial in civilian court, we
won?t be at war.


"He seems to think if he closes Guantanamo and releases the hard-core
al-Qaida-trained terrorists still there, we won?t be at war. He seems
to think if he gets rid of the words, 'war on terror,' we won't be at
war. But we are at war and when President Obama pretends we aren?t, it
makes us less safe. Why doesn?t he want to admit we?re at war? It
doesn?t fit with the view of the world he brought with him to the Oval
Office. It doesn?t fit with what seems to be the goal of his
presidency ? social transformation ? the restructuring of American
society. President Obama?s first object and his highest responsibility
must be to defend us against an enemy that knows we are at war."


Cheney's comments echo a frequent criticism by conservatives that
President Obama does not use the phrase "war on terror." We rated that
True when it was made by talk show host Sean Hannity in November 2009.
We noted in our ruling that Obama had said he didn't use the more
general phrase "war on terror" because he viewed the conflict as a war
against "some terrorist organizations."


With his statement to Politico, Cheney is going farther than Hannity
did, directly alleging that Obama will not "admit we're at war."


But a review of Obama's statements of the past year makes it clear he
has often said the United States is at war against terrorist
organizations.


The fifth paragraph of his inaugural address: "Our nation is at war
against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred."


In a February 2009 CNN interview: "I think it is very important for us
to recognize that we have a battle or a war against some terrorist
organizations."


In a March 2009 speech: He said that people might ask why the United
States is at war and said, "Al-Qaida and its allies, the terrorists
who planned and supported the 9/11 attacks, are in Pakistan and
Afghanistan. Multiple intelligence estimates have warned that al-Qaida
is actively planning attacks on the United States homeland from its
safe haven in Pakistan."


In his December 2009 speech at West Point on his decision to send more
troops to Afghanistan: He repeatedly called it a war and said, "I make
this decision because I am convinced that our security is at stake in
Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is the epicenter of violent extremism
practiced by al-Qaida."


In his speech accepting the Nobel Peace Prize: He said that "we are at
war" and noted that "the world rallied around America after the 9/11
attacks, and continues to support our efforts in Afghanistan, because
of the horror of those senseless attacks and the recognized principle
of self-defense."


Cheney has offered lots of criticism of Obama in the past year (of the
claims we've rated, Cheney has earned a True and a Mostly True). His
remarks here go beyond opinion because he repeatedly says that Obama
won't acknowledge that the United States is at war. But even a cursory
examination of Obama's statements shows this one is preposterous.
Obama has often said the United States is at war against terrorist
organizations -- and has ordered a massive increase in U.S. troops in
Afghanistan to fight that war. So Cheney's comment isn't just False,
it's ridiculously so. Pants on Fire!


A whole thread and article (talking point) on semantics? Pffftttt. Next
you will be trying to tell me what "is, is"!


Told you before, I won't argue "settled facts" with you anymore...- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


It was nothing about semantics. Cheney lied. Again. But of course you
wouldn't admit such....


Only cause I don't see it the way you do. But you can call me dishonest
for that I guess, if you must;)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


He lied to the American people, again. Period.


Yeah, that's the way you see it. No problem, unlike you, I can accept
that as your opinion...

TopBassDog January 5th 10 06:19 AM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
On Jan 3, 7:16*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:50:24 -0800 (PST), TopBassDog



wrote:
On Jan 3, 1:56 pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:23:53 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker


wrote:
Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-....


dick cheney...al qaida's best friend in america


he's a traitor


wf3h,


Are you still blaming Cheney for your poor stock market choices?


ROFLMAO!! yeah. me and AIG!!

you're an idiot!


And you are broke. However, tomorrow I will be in University working
on a second degree.

And you'll still be broke. And whining.

TopBassDog January 5th 10 06:21 AM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
On Jan 3, 7:17*pm, Harry wrote:
bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:50:24 -0800 (PST), TopBassDog
wrote:


On Jan 3, 1:56 pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:23:53 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker


wrote:
Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-....
dick cheney...al qaida's best friend in america


he's a traitor
wf3h,


Are you still blaming Cheney for your poor stock market choices?


ROFLMAO!! yeah. me and AIG!!


you're an idiot!


Bingo.


Do you make enough playing that to pay basement rent to your spouse,
herr Krause?

Harry[_2_] January 5th 10 11:20 AM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
TopBassDog wrote:
On Jan 3, 7:16 pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:50:24 -0800 (PST), TopBassDog



wrote:
On Jan 3, 1:56 pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:23:53 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:
Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...
dick cheney...al qaida's best friend in america
he's a traitor
wf3h,
Are you still blaming Cheney for your poor stock market choices?

ROFLMAO!! yeah. me and AIG!!

you're an idiot!


And you are broke. However, tomorrow I will be in University working
on a second degree.



An MBA, no doubt. Master Batur of America. Perfect for a little jerkoff
like you. Is your "lawyer seeeeester" still doing everyone in town?

Loogypicker[_2_] January 5th 10 01:37 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
On Jan 4, 11:44*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 2c4d0fb7-7460-494e-aa9a-
,
says...







On Jan 4, 11:06*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 4348abf9-a6b5-4550-aacb-d396505079b5
@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...


On Jan 4, 9:54*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d077a95d-2d5f-4c3f-a279-
, says...


On Jan 4, 8:55 am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article cbbda9f4-1046-4c11-8541-c02fcbc8db87@
26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...


On Jan 3, 5:15 pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...


Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...


Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...


I also notice, that you attack the messenger, but say NOTHING about
the message.


Sooo, I follow the link and find a missing page holder that pretty much
shows where the mindset of the website is though... A shot at Cheney as
a missing page holder and you want me to address the message. Next you
will be asking me to comment on reports on The Daily Hoax, or the New
York Lies! Either way, I have work to do...- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Here you go, allow me to help.:


In his latest attack on President Barack Obama, former Vice President
Dick Cheney seized on the attempted bombing of a Detroit-bound
jetliner to suggest that Obama is weak on terrorism.


"As I?ve watched the events of the last few days it is clear once
again that President Obama is trying to pretend we are not at war,"
Cheney said. "He seems to think if he has a low-key response to an
attempt to blow up an airliner and kill hundreds of people, we won?t
be at war. He seems to think if he gives terrorists the rights of
Americans, lets them lawyer up and reads them their Miranda rights, we
won?t be at war. He seems to think if we bring the mastermind of Sept.
11 to New York, give him a lawyer and trial in civilian court, we
won?t be at war.


"He seems to think if he closes Guantanamo and releases the hard-core
al-Qaida-trained terrorists still there, we won?t be at war. He seems
to think if he gets rid of the words, 'war on terror,' we won't be at
war. But we are at war and when President Obama pretends we aren?t, it
makes us less safe. Why doesn?t he want to admit we?re at war? It
doesn?t fit with the view of the world he brought with him to the Oval
Office. It doesn?t fit with what seems to be the goal of his
presidency ? social transformation ? the restructuring of American
society. President Obama?s first object and his highest responsibility
must be to defend us against an enemy that knows we are at war."


Cheney's comments echo a frequent criticism by conservatives that
President Obama does not use the phrase "war on terror." We rated that
True when it was made by talk show host Sean Hannity in November 2009.
We noted in our ruling that Obama had said he didn't use the more
general phrase "war on terror" because he viewed the conflict as a war
against "some terrorist organizations."


With his statement to Politico, Cheney is going farther than Hannity
did, directly alleging that Obama will not "admit we're at war."


But a review of Obama's statements of the past year makes it clear he
has often said the United States is at war against terrorist
organizations.


The fifth paragraph of his inaugural address: "Our nation is at war
against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred."


In a February 2009 CNN interview: "I think it is very important for us
to recognize that we have a battle or a war against some terrorist
organizations."


In a March 2009 speech: He said that people might ask why the United
States is at war and said, "Al-Qaida and its allies, the terrorists
who planned and supported the 9/11 attacks, are in Pakistan and
Afghanistan. Multiple intelligence estimates have warned that al-Qaida
is actively planning attacks on the United States homeland from its
safe haven in Pakistan."


In his December 2009 speech at West Point on his decision to send more
troops to Afghanistan: He repeatedly called it a war and said, "I make
this decision because I am convinced that our security is at stake in
Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is the epicenter of violent extremism
practiced by al-Qaida."


In his speech accepting the Nobel Peace Prize: He said that "we are at
war" and noted that "the world rallied around America after the 9/11
attacks, and continues to support our efforts in Afghanistan, because
of the horror of those senseless attacks and the recognized principle
of self-defense."


Cheney has offered lots of criticism of Obama in the past year (of the
claims we've rated, Cheney has earned a True and a Mostly True).. His
remarks here go beyond opinion because he repeatedly says that Obama
won't acknowledge that the United States is at war. But even a cursory
examination of Obama's statements shows this one is preposterous.
Obama has often said the United States is at war against terrorist
organizations -- and has ordered a massive increase in U.S. troops in
Afghanistan to fight that war. So Cheney's comment isn't just False,
it's ridiculously so. Pants on Fire!


A whole thread and article (talking point) on semantics? Pffftttt.. Next
you will be trying to tell me what "is, is"!


Told you before, I won't argue "settled facts" with you anymore....- Hide quoted text -


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It was nothing about semantics. Cheney lied. Again. But of course you
wouldn't admit such....


Only cause I don't see it the way you do. But you can call me dishonest
for that I guess, if you must;)- Hide quoted text -


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He lied to the American people, again. Period.


Yeah, that's the way you see it. No problem, unlike you, I can accept
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It is what it is! Black and white. He lied.

Harry[_2_] January 5th 10 02:26 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
Harry wrote:
TopBassDog wrote:
On Jan 3, 7:16 pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:50:24 -0800 (PST), TopBassDog



wrote:
On Jan 3, 1:56 pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:23:53 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:
Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...

dick cheney...al qaida's best friend in america
he's a traitor
wf3h,
Are you still blaming Cheney for your poor stock market choices?
ROFLMAO!! yeah. me and AIG!!

you're an idiot!


And you are broke. However, tomorrow I will be in University working
on a second degree.



An MBA, no doubt. Master Batur of America. Perfect for a little jerkoff
like you. Is your "lawyer seeeeester" still doing everyone in town?


I must apologise for my other brother Harry. The pain of a 5 year old
living in a 65 year old body is unbearable to him. If only he would seek
professional help other than the wacky sociologist he lives with.
Sigh.....
Harry number 7

--
If it's not posted with a mac, it's the real deal.

Jim January 5th 10 09:12 PM

The Darling of the Right, Dick Cheney Gets an Award
 
TopBassDog wrote:
On Jan 3, 7:17 pm, Harry wrote:
bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:50:24 -0800 (PST), TopBassDog
wrote:
On Jan 3, 1:56 pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:23:53 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:
Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...
dick cheney...al qaida's best friend in america
he's a traitor
wf3h,
Are you still blaming Cheney for your poor stock market choices?
ROFLMAO!! yeah. me and AIG!!
you're an idiot!

Bingo.


Do you make enough playing that to pay basement rent to your spouse,
herr Krause?


There is not one lick of evidence available to affirm that Herr Krause
has a spouse. Same sex marriage is not recognized in Maryland to the
best of my knowlege.


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