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Vic Smith December 23rd 09 01:52 AM

Terrible Boat Accident
 
Bad all around.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...witnesses-say/

--Vic

mgg December 23rd 09 02:16 AM

Terrible Boat Accident
 

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
Bad all around.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...witnesses-say/

--Vic


Very sad! I boat frequently with my 9 and 6 year olds... I can't even
imagine something like that happening to them.

--Mike



John H[_11_] December 23rd 09 01:26 PM

Terrible Boat Accident
 
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:52:32 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Bad all around.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...witnesses-say/

--Vic


A real shame.

Thirteen people on board seems very high for a 24' boat. I'd be
thinking the max would be around eight or so.
--

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H

Steve B[_2_] December 23rd 09 04:59 PM

Terrible Boat Accident
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:52:32 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Bad all around.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...witnesses-say/

--Vic


A real shame.

Thirteen people on board seems very high for a 24' boat. I'd be
thinking the max would be around eight or so.
--

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H


I hope some heads roll over this. I'm behind the CG 102%, and they've done
thousands of good things that never see the light of day. But someone
seriously messed up here, and needs to man up. And most importantly, it
needs NEVER to happen again. Accidents are accidents. Some accidents are
preventable. And some are so ridiculously preventable that it makes the
participants out for the foolish children they were during the incident.

My thoughts and prayers are with the family. I can't imagine having such a
senseless loss.

Steve



Bill McKee December 23rd 09 05:23 PM

Terrible Boat Accident
 

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:52:32 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Bad all around.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...witnesses-say/

--Vic


A real shame.

Thirteen people on board seems very high for a 24' boat. I'd be
thinking the max would be around eight or so.
--

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H


I hope some heads roll over this. I'm behind the CG 102%, and they've
done thousands of good things that never see the light of day. But
someone seriously messed up here, and needs to man up. And most
importantly, it needs NEVER to happen again. Accidents are accidents.
Some accidents are preventable. And some are so ridiculously preventable
that it makes the participants out for the foolish children they were
during the incident.

My thoughts and prayers are with the family. I can't imagine having such
a senseless loss.

Steve


Sounds like the boat the CG was using is one of those quad engined 30' boat.
Why the hell would they go racing to a grounding. Most of SD is sand
bottom.



Harry[_2_] December 23rd 09 05:35 PM

Terrible Boat Accident
 
On 12/23/09 12:28 PM, Gene wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:26:47 -0500, John
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:52:32 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Bad all around.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...witnesses-say/

--Vic


A real shame.

Thirteen people on board seems very high for a 24' boat. I'd be
thinking the max would be around eight or so.


Depends. A 24' Carolina Skiff will carry 18....
http://www.carolinaskiff.com/listman...ngs/l0010.html



The capacity of the boat that was *hit* by the USCG isn't the issue
here, as the accident was entirely the fault of the Coast Guard. Last
year, when we were there, we saw several USCG and many USN and marine
small vessels tearing ass their ways through the harbour and out to the
ocean. Boys with toys, showing off. In fact, I remember the wife of the
couple sitting next to us on the whale watching vessel saying, "Look,
the boys found the gas pedal!"



Harry[_2_] December 23rd 09 05:39 PM

Terrible Boat Accident
 
On 12/23/09 12:34 PM, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:52:32 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Bad all around.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...witnesses-say/

--Vic


Mo
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...l/6781626.html



The Coasties were going far too fast for the conditions in which they
were operating their boat.

Harry[_2_] December 23rd 09 06:11 PM

Terrible Boat Accident
 
In article ,
says...

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:52:32 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Bad all around.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...witnesses-say/

--Vic

A real shame.

Thirteen people on board seems very high for a 24' boat. I'd be
thinking the max would be around eight or so.
--

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H


I hope some heads roll over this. I'm behind the CG 102%, and they've
done thousands of good things that never see the light of day. But
someone seriously messed up here, and needs to man up. And most
importantly, it needs NEVER to happen again. Accidents are accidents.
Some accidents are preventable. And some are so ridiculously preventable
that it makes the participants out for the foolish children they were
during the incident.

My thoughts and prayers are with the family. I can't imagine having such
a senseless loss.

Steve


Sounds like the boat the CG was using is one of those quad engined 30' boat.
Why the hell would they go racing to a grounding. Most of SD is sand
bottom.


I don't think any boat should be aloud to go faster than my 36 foot
Zimmerman like lobsta' boat.

Harry[_2_] December 23rd 09 06:13 PM

Terrible Boat Accident
 
In article , naled24511
@mypacks.net says...

On 12/23/09 12:34 PM, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:52:32 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Bad all around.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...witnesses-say/

--Vic


Mo
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...l/6781626.html



The Coasties were going far too fast for the conditions in which they
were operating their boat.


**Jackass Alert**

Bill McKee December 23rd 09 09:51 PM

Terrible Boat Accident
 

"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:26:47 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:52:32 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Bad all around.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...witnesses-say/

--Vic


A real shame.

Thirteen people on board seems very high for a 24' boat. I'd be
thinking the max would be around eight or so.


Depends. A 24' Carolina Skiff will carry 18....
http://www.carolinaskiff.com/listman...ngs/l0010.html
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

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Lots of the passengers were small. 2-3 years old from what I read.



mgg December 24th 09 01:46 AM

Terrible Boat Accident
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:52:32 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Bad all around.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...witnesses-say/

--Vic


A real shame.

Thirteen people on board seems very high for a 24' boat. I'd be
thinking the max would be around eight or so.
--



Not really, it depends on the layout. My 23' boat has a USGS capacity
placard that lists 10 people. My friend's 23' Mastercraft is rated for 12
people (go figure). I will say though that 10 or 12 bodies on a 23' boat
makes for a cramped ride. 13 on a 24' boat would most likely be just as
cramped.

--Mike



John H[_11_] December 24th 09 03:15 PM

Terrible Boat Accident
 
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:46:33 -0800, "mgg" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:52:32 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Bad all around.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...witnesses-say/

--Vic


A real shame.

Thirteen people on board seems very high for a 24' boat. I'd be
thinking the max would be around eight or so.
--



Not really, it depends on the layout. My 23' boat has a USGS capacity
placard that lists 10 people. My friend's 23' Mastercraft is rated for 12
people (go figure). I will say though that 10 or 12 bodies on a 23' boat
makes for a cramped ride. 13 on a 24' boat would most likely be just as
cramped.

--Mike


I looked at the specs for one of the sea ray 24'ers. It said 8 people,
but could have been a different sea ray.

Sounds like the Coast Guard screwed the pooch on this one.
--

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H

Rob December 25th 09 02:18 AM

Terrible Boat Accident
 
mgg wrote:
"John wrote in message
...

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:52:32 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:


Bad all around.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...witnesses-say/

--Vic

A real shame.

Thirteen people on board seems very high for a 24' boat. I'd be
thinking the max would be around eight or so.
--


Not really, it depends on the layout. My 23' boat has a USGS capacity
placard that lists 10 people. My friend's 23' Mastercraft is rated for 12
people (go figure). I will say though that 10 or 12 bodies on a 23' boat
makes for a cramped ride. 13 on a 24' boat would most likely be just as
cramped.

--Mike



Check the weight, too. IIRC, they assume about a 150# average per person.

Rob


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