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The Obamacare Bill passed...
....because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they
could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7 -- Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year! John H |
The Obamacare Bill passed...
On Dec 21, 9:53*am, John H wrote:
...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. Democratic pigs at the trough. Disgusting. |
The Obamacare Bill passed...
On Dec 21, 10:02*am, Jack wrote:
On Dec 21, 9:53*am, John H wrote: ...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. Democratic pigs at the trough. *Disgusting.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The pigs at the trough are the republicans who held out until their yes vote was bought by the pork they are inserting in healthcare reform. |
The Obamacare Bill passed...
On Dec 21, 10:27*am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 21, 10:02*am, Jack wrote: On Dec 21, 9:53*am, John H wrote: ...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. Democratic pigs at the trough. *Disgusting.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The pigs at the trough are the republicans who held out until their yes vote was bought by the pork they are inserting in healthcare reform. What are you smoking: "All 58 Democrats and the Senate's two independents held together early Monday against unanimous Republican opposition, providing the exact 60-40 margin needed to shut down a threatened GOP filibuster." No Republicans voted "yes". |
The Obamacare Bill passed...
On Dec 21, 10:27*am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 21, 10:02*am, Jack wrote: On Dec 21, 9:53*am, John H wrote: ...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. Democratic pigs at the trough. *Disgusting.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The pigs at the trough are the republicans who held out until their yes vote was bought by the pork they are inserting in healthcare reform. Once again, no Republicans voted yes, but there is this: "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill." "powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments" Read that as PORK inserted at the last minute. By Dems, for Dems. |
The Obamacare Bill passed...
On Dec 21, 10:55*am, Jack wrote:
On Dec 21, 10:27*am, Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 21, 10:02*am, Jack wrote: On Dec 21, 9:53*am, John H wrote: ...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. Democratic pigs at the trough. *Disgusting.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The pigs at the trough are the republicans who held out until their yes vote was bought by the pork they are inserting in healthcare reform. Once again, no Republicans voted yes, but there is this: "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill." "powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments" Read that as PORK inserted at the last minute. *By Dems, for Dems. Hmm.. double-clutched the paste key, but it was worth repeating.. :- |
The Obamacare Bill passed...
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The Obamacare Bill passed...
Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 21, 10:02 am, Jack wrote: On Dec 21, 9:53 am, John H wrote: ...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. Democratic pigs at the trough. Disgusting.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The pigs at the trough are the republicans who held out until their yes vote was bought by the pork they are inserting in healthcare reform. And which Republicans voted yes? You are not too well informed. |
The Obamacare Bill passed...
Jack wrote:
On Dec 21, 10:27 am, Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 21, 10:02 am, Jack wrote: On Dec 21, 9:53 am, John H wrote: ...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. Democratic pigs at the trough. Disgusting.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The pigs at the trough are the republicans who held out until their yes vote was bought by the pork they are inserting in healthcare reform. What are you smoking: "All 58 Democrats and the Senate's two independents held together early Monday against unanimous Republican opposition, providing the exact 60-40 margin needed to shut down a threatened GOP filibuster." No Republicans voted "yes". Becareful now, don't shoot the messenger. 8) |
The Obamacare Bill passed...
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The Obamacare Bill passed...
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The Obamacare Bill passed...
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:01:23 -0500, wrote:
This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does. I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another fire house will have to close. You just haven't been keeping up. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...HXiYAD9CO0VEO0 "SEN. BILL NELSON, D-FLA., pushed a provision he said will let about 800,000 Florida seniors enrolled in private Medicare Advantage plans keep their extra benefits. It also helps seniors in a handful of other states. Elsewhere, Medicare Advantage patients risk losing benefits because the private plans are a major target of planned cuts to Medicare." This bill isn't even done, and all the scaremongers are out in full force. If you're worried about the budget, just buy some gold from Glen Beck. You'll be in good shape then. Nobody knows what will be in the final bill - if one passes. The minimums about pre-existing conditions and recision are landmark legislation in themselves. Anyway, most of what you hear about "favors" doesn't mean squat. As soon as any health-care "favor" goes into effect for a state, all the other Senators will quickly put a bill together to get the same bennies for their state. That's how they get re-elected. Saw a couple Senators say that on one of the talking head shows. But you still have so-called "political experts" saying otherwise. --Vic |
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... On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H wrote: ...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7 They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the debate. (it was simply a cloture vote) It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds something they can agree to. We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that has no public option and some other things they want. This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does. I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another fire house will have to close. Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10 years. -- Nom=de=Plume |
The Obamacare Bill passed...
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... On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:09:10 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H wrote: ...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7 They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the debate. (it was simply a cloture vote) It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds something they can agree to. We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that has no public option and some other things they want. This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does. I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another fire house will have to close. Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10 years. That all depends on which CBO study you are talking about and which assumptions are true. They are planning on cuts to Medicare that will never happen for starters. The other thing is ther feds are dumping some of this cost off to states so it is not on the federal budget. I am still not convinced any of this will actually make it to the president's desk. They still have to talk the house into the bill the senate came up with and the reality is the senate hasn't really passed the bill themselves yet. The vote the other night was just to cut off debate. All it will take is for one democrat to waver and we could be right back at looking for 60 again. That is the reason the republicans delayed the vote. The country will get 3 days to actually read this bill and call their senators. It will probably still get passed in the senate but the house has big changes to accept from what they passed. Yes, it depends on the final bill, but to claim that it'll increase costs is nuts. It won't. Everyone relies on the CBO, yet the Republicans just ignore it when it suits them. They're delaying it because they can't accept that there's a need for action. They're obstructionists who don't give a damn about the people they serve. Certainly, the Democrats have their own problems, but that doesn't excuse the Republicans behavior, which is despicable. -- Nom=de=Plume |
The Obamacare Bill passed...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H wrote: ...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7 They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the debate. (it was simply a cloture vote) It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds something they can agree to. We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that has no public option and some other things they want. This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does. I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another fire house will have to close. Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10 years. -- Nom=de=Plume Basically because the Federal Government will collect money for a couple years before paying it out. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H wrote: ...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7 They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the debate. (it was simply a cloture vote) It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds something they can agree to. We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that has no public option and some other things they want. This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does. I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another fire house will have to close. Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10 years. -- Nom=de=Plume Basically because the Federal Government will collect money for a couple years before paying it out. So, if I build up my savings before I spend it, that's a bad thing. Could perhaps find something you actually know about to type about... -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:12:34 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:4rWdnViK1uNIgqzWnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@earthlink. com... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H wrote: ...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7 They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the debate. (it was simply a cloture vote) It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds something they can agree to. We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that has no public option and some other things they want. This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does. I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another fire house will have to close. Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10 years. -- Nom=de=Plume Basically because the Federal Government will collect money for a couple years before paying it out. So, if I build up my savings before I spend it, that's a bad thing. Could perhaps find something you actually know about to type about... The problem is the savings will only cover a short period of the spending, then it is pure deficit. The other problem is CBO made it's projections based on cuts to Medicare that will never happen. Medicare is upside down right now and will be broke in a few years, even without the cuts. Nobody is going to cut actual spending, they are just cutting taxes and that has been going on for a decade. That tiny "millionaires" tax is not really going to raise that much money. Real millionaires know enough to get paid in ways that do not show up on a W2. That is why Warren Buffett pays a lower tax rate than his secretary. There's no short period of savings. The CBO is projecting 10 years of savings, and beyond that even more savings. Where are you getting the notion that the Medicare cuts won't happen? http://www.whitehouse.gov/MedicareFactSheetFinal/ Suddenly, you're the tax expert? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:44:14 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: There's no short period of savings. The CBO is projecting 10 years of savings, and beyond that even more savings. Where are you getting the notion that the Medicare cuts won't happen? http://www.whitehouse.gov/MedicareFactSheetFinal/ Suddenly, you're the tax expert? No I just know how scared of old people the politicians are. They are not going to cut Medicare in any real sense. You are also ignoring the spending they are spinning off to the states, well every state but Nebraska. I don't think "old people" should be discounted. I think they should be honored. They deserve (most of them) to live out their lives with some dignity. You're right. They're not going to cut the entitlements. They're going after fraud, waste, and abuse. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H wrote: ...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7 They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the debate. (it was simply a cloture vote) It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds something they can agree to. We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that has no public option and some other things they want. This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does. I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another fire house will have to close. Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10 years. -- Nom=de=Plume Basically because the Federal Government will collect money for a couple years before paying it out. So, if I build up my savings before I spend it, that's a bad thing. Could perhaps find something you actually know about to type about... -- Nom=de=Plume That is the only reason there is a surplus the first couple years. After that it is pure deficit spending. You're just plain wrong. Perhaps you should "stop communicating" with me. -- Nom=de=Plume |
The Obamacare Bill passed...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H wrote: ...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7 They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the debate. (it was simply a cloture vote) It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds something they can agree to. We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that has no public option and some other things they want. This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does. I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another fire house will have to close. Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10 years. -- Nom=de=Plume Basically because the Federal Government will collect money for a couple years before paying it out. So, if I build up my savings before I spend it, that's a bad thing. Could perhaps find something you actually know about to type about... -- Nom=de=Plume That is the only reason there is a surplus the first couple years. After that it is pure deficit spending. |
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says... wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:09:10 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H wrote: ...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7 They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the debate. (it was simply a cloture vote) It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds something they can agree to. We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that has no public option and some other things they want. This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does. I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another fire house will have to close. Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10 years. That all depends on which CBO study you are talking about and which assumptions are true. They are planning on cuts to Medicare that will never happen for starters. The other thing is ther feds are dumping some of this cost off to states so it is not on the federal budget. I am still not convinced any of this will actually make it to the president's desk. They still have to talk the house into the bill the senate came up with and the reality is the senate hasn't really passed the bill themselves yet. The vote the other night was just to cut off debate. All it will take is for one democrat to waver and we could be right back at looking for 60 again. That is the reason the republicans delayed the vote. The country will get 3 days to actually read this bill and call their senators. It will probably still get passed in the senate but the house has big changes to accept from what they passed. Yes, it depends on the final bill, but to claim that it'll increase costs is nuts. It won't. Everyone relies on the CBO, yet the Republicans just ignore it when it suits them. They're delaying it because they can't accept that there's a need for action. They're obstructionists who don't give a damn about the people they serve. Certainly, the Democrats have their own problems, but that doesn't excuse the Republicans behavior, which is despicable. Well, I see you are still here;) As I redo my filters, please answer me one question. What possible motive or reason would republicans have to do what they knew was wrong for the people they serve? This is a nice talking point, but really, where is the up side for them? |
The Obamacare Bill passed...
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says... On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:39:07 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:44:14 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: There's no short period of savings. The CBO is projecting 10 years of savings, and beyond that even more savings. Where are you getting the notion that the Medicare cuts won't happen? http://www.whitehouse.gov/MedicareFactSheetFinal/ Suddenly, you're the tax expert? No I just know how scared of old people the politicians are. They are not going to cut Medicare in any real sense. You are also ignoring the spending they are spinning off to the states, well every state but Nebraska. I don't think "old people" should be discounted. I think they should be honored. They deserve (most of them) to live out their lives with some dignity. You're right. They're not going to cut the entitlements. They're going after fraud, waste, and abuse. The last president who had any success with that was Eisenhower. I agree there is plenty of fraud waste and abuse in Medicare. Miami, right across the swamp from me is ground zero for that. The problem is, when you streamline administration and do what you can to speed up payments you create loopholes a crook can drive a truck through. One of the reasons insurance companies spend more for administration is they spend more time processing claims and investigating for fraud. When they looked into the Miami fraud cases, what they found was the government was paying the bill, then checking to see if it was valid. By the time they figured out they were robbed, the crook was long gone, packed up and moved down the road to scam them again under a different name. Personally I think we should have an exception to the "cruel and unusual punishment" ban for people who steal from the government ;-) You mean people who steal back? |
The Obamacare Bill passed...
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says... "S" wrote in message ... In article , says... wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:09:10 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H wrote: ...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7 They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the debate. (it was simply a cloture vote) It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds something they can agree to. We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that has no public option and some other things they want. This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does. I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another fire house will have to close. Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10 years. That all depends on which CBO study you are talking about and which assumptions are true. They are planning on cuts to Medicare that will never happen for starters. The other thing is ther feds are dumping some of this cost off to states so it is not on the federal budget. I am still not convinced any of this will actually make it to the president's desk. They still have to talk the house into the bill the senate came up with and the reality is the senate hasn't really passed the bill themselves yet. The vote the other night was just to cut off debate. All it will take is for one democrat to waver and we could be right back at looking for 60 again. That is the reason the republicans delayed the vote. The country will get 3 days to actually read this bill and call their senators. It will probably still get passed in the senate but the house has big changes to accept from what they passed. Yes, it depends on the final bill, but to claim that it'll increase costs is nuts. It won't. Everyone relies on the CBO, yet the Republicans just ignore it when it suits them. They're delaying it because they can't accept that there's a need for action. They're obstructionists who don't give a damn about the people they serve. Certainly, the Democrats have their own problems, but that doesn't excuse the Republicans behavior, which is despicable. Well, I see you are still here;) As I redo my filters, please answer me one question. What possible motive or reason would republicans have to do what they knew was wrong for the people they serve? This is a nice talking point, but really, where is the up side for them? I don't know. That's the mystery. They're working against their own best interest. I think they're so caught up in "opposition" mode, that nothing seems to penetrate. Several are playing to their core base, which is tiny. There's no upside, and they haven't figured it out yet. They're in the political wilderness, and I'm hopeful that they will emerge someday. We need at least two strong parties in this country. That's it, that is your answer? You have no answer as with most of your talking points, that's just what they are.. Crazy indeed... |
The Obamacare Bill passed...
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... In article , says... "S" wrote in message ... In article , says... wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:09:10 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H wrote: ...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7 They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the debate. (it was simply a cloture vote) It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds something they can agree to. We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that has no public option and some other things they want. This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does. I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another fire house will have to close. Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10 years. That all depends on which CBO study you are talking about and which assumptions are true. They are planning on cuts to Medicare that will never happen for starters. The other thing is ther feds are dumping some of this cost off to states so it is not on the federal budget. I am still not convinced any of this will actually make it to the president's desk. They still have to talk the house into the bill the senate came up with and the reality is the senate hasn't really passed the bill themselves yet. The vote the other night was just to cut off debate. All it will take is for one democrat to waver and we could be right back at looking for 60 again. That is the reason the republicans delayed the vote. The country will get 3 days to actually read this bill and call their senators. It will probably still get passed in the senate but the house has big changes to accept from what they passed. Yes, it depends on the final bill, but to claim that it'll increase costs is nuts. It won't. Everyone relies on the CBO, yet the Republicans just ignore it when it suits them. They're delaying it because they can't accept that there's a need for action. They're obstructionists who don't give a damn about the people they serve. Certainly, the Democrats have their own problems, but that doesn't excuse the Republicans behavior, which is despicable. Well, I see you are still here;) As I redo my filters, please answer me one question. What possible motive or reason would republicans have to do what they knew was wrong for the people they serve? This is a nice talking point, but really, where is the up side for them? I don't know. That's the mystery. They're working against their own best interest. I think they're so caught up in "opposition" mode, that nothing seems to penetrate. Several are playing to their core base, which is tiny. There's no upside, and they haven't figured it out yet. They're in the political wilderness, and I'm hopeful that they will emerge someday. We need at least two strong parties in this country. That's it, that is your answer? You have no answer as with most of your talking points, that's just what they are.. Crazy indeed... Well, what you're explanation? They're not even working in their own self-interest, as far as reelection goes. All we hear is no, no, no. Sounds to me like you're just another cowardly sockpuppet... -- Nom=de=Plume |
The Obamacare Bill passed...
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... On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:33:26 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: You're right. They're not going to cut the entitlements. They're going after fraud, waste, and abuse. The last president who had any success with that was Eisenhower. I agree there is plenty of fraud waste and abuse in Medicare. Miami, right across the swamp from me is ground zero for that. The problem is, when you streamline administration and do what you can to speed up payments you create loopholes a crook can drive a truck through. One of the reasons insurance companies spend more for administration is they spend more time processing claims and investigating for fraud. When they looked into the Miami fraud cases, what they found was the government was paying the bill, then checking to see if it was valid. By the time they figured out they were robbed, the crook was long gone, packed up and moved down the road to scam them again under a different name. Personally I think we should have an exception to the "cruel and unusual punishment" ban for people who steal from the government ;-) Hard to argue with the latter, certainly. I'm sure you would ;-) I suppose I would disagree with it myself if it really came down to it but I do think a lot of people are scamming the government and very little ever happens to them. Federal prisons are packed with pot farmers and scammers get a walk. Well certainly, I was speaking metaphorically of course. It really burns me up that some of the scammers get a walk... brings out the worst in me (and I'm sure many). One of my friends defended a pot store during the previous admin's Federal crackdown. It was really a sad case. They were just trying to help people and barely making any money. The arrest/closure pretty much ruined them financially. -- Nom=de=Plume |
The Obamacare Bill passed...
On 12/23/09 1:00 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... In , says... wrote in message ... In , says... wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:09:10 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H wrote: ...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of integrity. "Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill. Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby, Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut." And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right. http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7 They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the debate. (it was simply a cloture vote) It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds something they can agree to. We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that has no public option and some other things they want. This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does. I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another fire house will have to close. Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10 years. That all depends on which CBO study you are talking about and which assumptions are true. They are planning on cuts to Medicare that will never happen for starters. The other thing is ther feds are dumping some of this cost off to states so it is not on the federal budget. I am still not convinced any of this will actually make it to the president's desk. They still have to talk the house into the bill the senate came up with and the reality is the senate hasn't really passed the bill themselves yet. The vote the other night was just to cut off debate. All it will take is for one democrat to waver and we could be right back at looking for 60 again. That is the reason the republicans delayed the vote. The country will get 3 days to actually read this bill and call their senators. It will probably still get passed in the senate but the house has big changes to accept from what they passed. Yes, it depends on the final bill, but to claim that it'll increase costs is nuts. It won't. Everyone relies on the CBO, yet the Republicans just ignore it when it suits them. They're delaying it because they can't accept that there's a need for action. They're obstructionists who don't give a damn about the people they serve. Certainly, the Democrats have their own problems, but that doesn't excuse the Republicans behavior, which is despicable. Well, I see you are still here;) As I redo my filters, please answer me one question. What possible motive or reason would republicans have to do what they knew was wrong for the people they serve? This is a nice talking point, but really, where is the up side for them? I don't know. That's the mystery. They're working against their own best interest. I think they're so caught up in "opposition" mode, that nothing seems to penetrate. Several are playing to their core base, which is tiny. There's no upside, and they haven't figured it out yet. They're in the political wilderness, and I'm hopeful that they will emerge someday. We need at least two strong parties in this country. That's it, that is your answer? You have no answer as with most of your talking points, that's just what they are.. Crazy indeed... Well, what you're explanation? They're not even working in their own self-interest, as far as reelection goes. All we hear is no, no, no. Sounds to me like you're just another cowardly sockpuppet... One wonders why "S" cares about this issue, since he doesn't have health insurance for himself, and recently ran up a $25000 bill at a local hospital he has no intention of paying. |
The Obamacare Bill passed...
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:01:11 -0500, S wrote:
? I don't know. That's the mystery. They're working against their own best interest. I think they're so caught up in "opposition" mode, that nothing seems to penetrate. Several are playing to their core base, which is tiny. There's no upside, and they haven't figured it out yet. They're in the political wilderness, and I'm hopeful that they will emerge someday. We need at least two strong parties in this country. That's it, that is your answer? You have no answer as with most of your talking points, that's just what they are.. Crazy indeed... Some independents feel that they act like spoiled children that pout and refuse to play because it isn't their football. I believe many independent voters look at them as just unable to compromise and unable to govern. Most of those to the right here in Rec.Boats feel the big story is climate change. It's the economy. The conservitives have overlooked that, but after all, they were the key players in overlooking that to boost the wars and are now to blame for screwing the economy. I can only explain it to you , I can't learn it for you. |
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