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Boat - Once You Decide It's Pretty Solid
On Dec 16, 5:16*pm, Harry wrote:
On 12/16/09 5:07 PM, Vic Smith wrote: I read quite a bit about boats, and get the BoatTest newsletter, which comes out every week or so. *Most of what's in there is not what I want. *Mostly big gas-guzzlers. They had an article in the most recent about Whalers 13-footer. Boston Whaler 130 Super Sport Comes with a 40 Merc for $9995. *Boat's too small for me. There's a vid review of the American Angler 1866 Bass& *Bay CC. And the Tracker Pro Team 170 TX. Both aluminum. And a vid review for the JC Pontoon Neptoon 21 TT, and the Ranger Boats 208VX. Lots of smaller boats today. *Many times they're reviewing power yachts that run big bucks and use big fuel. Anyway, it's been a couple years since I wanted any boat but what I first decided on. *Three I'd like are the Carolina Skiff 24 DLX, Mac 26X or M, and the Corsair F-24 or F-27 tri. All are good on fuel, and the Mac and Corsair can sail besides. They're within my budget, but until I move to the water and try them I won't know which one I want. *Maybe I'll change my mind then and go with something else. Thing is, it seems that once you like a certain type boat, you tend to stick with it. Some here might have the money to own many different boats, but those are more rare birds. They say a boat is always a compromise, and that's true. Seems there's always something that steers an individual toward a particular boat. Wouldn't mind hearing what steered you to yours. For me, I give the most weight to meager fuel consumption, then shallow draft and fishability and overnighting. Close in there is trailerabilty, though I might be able to work around that with a dock or lift. *Depends. *Have to be able to ride 4-6 people safely minimum, and sleep at least 4. Don't care about speed much at all. Because I just don't want an expensive boat, I don't worry about cost hindering me. That's about it. --Vic Well, unless you like sleeping in a tent, the Carolina Skiff isn't the boat for overnighting! But it sure is a terrific in-shore fishing boat. If I were moving back to Florida, I'd buy one for sure, probably that model, for ICW, creek, lake, and near-shore fishing. You probably could have a nice dodger made for the CS, though...there's lots of room forward for a tent-like dodger and a couple of cots. I know a guy who runs the 24-footer CS as a fishing charter captain out of Jax, if you ever get there, or at least he had the 24-footer the last time I checked. Trailerboats magazine has some good reviews from time to time.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Harry, how come when you are talking boats you never mention your 36' Zimmerman like lobster boat? |
Boat - Once You Decide It's Pretty Solid
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:57:23 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: I don't think I've ever seen a boat with engine driven air conditioning but I guess it could be done. * An automotive type compressor takes a lot of power however and would certainly impact on performance and fuel economy. You're right, Wayne, it would suck up more fuel, but with a windowed cabin and depending on where you're location is, that air conditioning could make a difference on if going boating that day or not. I'd still like the idea, though. It is nice on a hot day, especially on a boat with an enclosed helm station. Most people find they need the A/C more at night when they are docked however. All of the marine A/Cs that I've seen run from 110 volt power, either from a generator or a shore power circuit. |
Boat - Once You Decide It's Pretty Solid
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:23:32 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: But if I don't have a dock, the barn marinas are cheaper than docks, and collect less growth too. Need a trailer anyway. Know anything about those barn marinas? When I checked one out in Punta Gorda a couple years I recall storage running about $10 a foot per month, 2 launchings a day included. Cheaper if you store outside. You don't want to store outside if you have a choice. The boat gets much less weather exposure inside, and that's important in SWFL during the summer. Theer are lots of choices for rack storage around here but I'm not familiar with the pricing. |
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Boat - Once You Decide It's Pretty Solid
"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... I read quite a bit about boats, and get the BoatTest newsletter, which comes out every week or so. Most of what's in there is not what I want. Mostly big gas-guzzlers. They had an article in the most recent about Whalers 13-footer. Boston Whaler 130 Super Sport Comes with a 40 Merc for $9995. Boat's too small for me. There's a vid review of the American Angler 1866 Bass & Bay CC. And the Tracker Pro Team 170 TX. Both aluminum. And a vid review for the JC Pontoon Neptoon 21 TT, and the Ranger Boats 208VX. Lots of smaller boats today. Many times they're reviewing power yachts that run big bucks and use big fuel. Anyway, it's been a couple years since I wanted any boat but what I first decided on. Three I'd like are the Carolina Skiff 24 DLX, Mac 26X or M, and the Corsair F-24 or F-27 tri. All are good on fuel, and the Mac and Corsair can sail besides. They're within my budget, but until I move to the water and try them I won't know which one I want. Maybe I'll change my mind then and go with something else. Thing is, it seems that once you like a certain type boat, you tend to stick with it. Some here might have the money to own many different boats, but those are more rare birds. They say a boat is always a compromise, and that's true. Seems there's always something that steers an individual toward a particular boat. Wouldn't mind hearing what steered you to yours. For me, I give the most weight to meager fuel consumption, then shallow draft and fishability and overnighting. Close in there is trailerabilty, though I might be able to work around that with a dock or lift. Depends. Have to be able to ride 4-6 people safely minimum, and sleep at least 4. Don't care about speed much at all. Because I just don't want an expensive boat, I don't worry about cost hindering me. That's about it. --Vic Vic, I'd just suggest that you try the boats on your list and a few other types before handing over the big boat bucks. For instance, try a flats boat after a ride in a CS. Go fast in both boats and get into some choppy water. A flat bottom boat is a flat bottom boat no matter what material and they will beat the crap out of a person. Sail a keel boat and the go fast trimarans and consider your use and the cost. A wise man said with powerboating you have a destination and with sailing you're already there. I enjoy puttering along at 3-4 knots and "hauling ass" at 6. I've got this 42 year old solid 24' boat that I paid a boat buck ($1K) for and I wouldn't cry myself to sleep if I ran her into a dock. She is the right boat for me. Look at trawlers and keel boats and if she is to be your crew take the Mrs along. If she does like the new investment, she'll let you know and better before than after. Funny how they don't rag us about things they like. |
Boat - Once You Decide It's Pretty Solid
On Dec 18, 10:50*am, "mmc" wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... I read quite a bit about boats, and get the BoatTest newsletter, which comes out every week or so. *Most of what's in there is not what I want. *Mostly big gas-guzzlers. They had an article in the most recent about Whalers 13-footer. Boston Whaler 130 Super Sport Comes with a 40 Merc for $9995. *Boat's too small for me. There's a vid review of the American Angler 1866 Bass & Bay CC. And the Tracker Pro Team 170 TX. Both aluminum. And a vid review for the JC Pontoon Neptoon 21 TT, and the Ranger Boats 208VX. Lots of smaller boats today. *Many times they're reviewing power yachts that run big bucks and use big fuel. Anyway, it's been a couple years since I wanted any boat but what I first decided on. *Three I'd like are the Carolina Skiff 24 DLX, Mac 26X or M, and the Corsair F-24 or F-27 tri. All are good on fuel, and the Mac and Corsair can sail besides. They're within my budget, but until I move to the water and try them I won't know which one I want. *Maybe I'll change my mind then and go with something else. Thing is, it seems that once you like a certain type boat, you tend to stick with it. Some here might have the money to own many different boats, but those are more rare birds. They say a boat is always a compromise, and that's true. Seems there's always something that steers an individual toward a particular boat. Wouldn't mind hearing what steered you to yours. For me, I give the most weight to meager fuel consumption, then shallow draft and fishability and overnighting. Close in there is trailerabilty, though I might be able to work around that with a dock or lift. *Depends. *Have to be able to ride 4-6 people safely minimum, and sleep at least 4. Don't care about speed much at all. Because I just don't want an expensive boat, I don't worry about cost hindering me. That's about it. --Vic Vic, I'd just suggest that you try the boats on your list and a few other types before handing over the big boat bucks. For instance, try a flats boat after a ride in a CS. Go fast in both boats and get into some choppy water. *A flat bottom boat is a flat bottom boat no matter what material and they will beat the crap out of a person. Sail a keel boat and the go fast trimarans and consider your use and the cost. A wise man said with powerboating you have a destination and with sailing you're already there. I enjoy puttering along at 3-4 knots and "hauling ass" at 6. I've got this 42 year old solid 24' boat that I paid a boat buck ($1K) for and I wouldn't cry myself to sleep if I ran her into a dock. She is the right boat for me. Look at trawlers and keel boats and if she is to be your crew take the Mrs along. If she does like the new investment, she'll let you know and better before than after. Funny how they don't rag us about things they like. Being both a sailor and a powerboater, I can appreciate both views. Although I kinda like the Corsair tris, I do not think I would want one for livability. I was just at the St.Pete boat show and was very surprised there mer no Mac sailboats there. Conditions were ideal to test sail one (blustery 20 kt wind) to see how well it does in higher wind ranges and how it would handle some chop. The Mac 26 has the advantages of sail withe the ability to power at higher speeds too. However, I'd really have to evaluate the build quality before buying. I have heard of people upgrading the Mac but do not know what they did . I did test sail a Presto 30, a trailerable sailboat with free standing masts with wishboom booms. It was a nice boat and sailed very well. However, the builder told me it took 2 hours to set up once he had it in the water, not the sort of thing you'd want to do every weekend. I looked at a trailerable Catalina 25 with water ballast and it was "ok" but already showed lesser construction problems with some gelcoat cracking (it was a brand new boat). I'd consider looking at used Mac 26 because that would tell you how one would fare over a few years. |
Boat - Once You Decide It's Pretty Solid
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:23:05 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote: Vic, I'd just suggest that you try the boats on your list and a few other types before handing over the big boat bucks. For instance, try a flats boat after a ride in a CS. Go fast in both boats and get into some choppy water. Â*A flat bottom boat is a flat bottom boat no matter what material and they will beat the crap out of a person. Sail a keel boat and the go fast trimarans and consider your use and the cost. A wise man said with powerboating you have a destination and with sailing you're already there. I enjoy puttering along at 3-4 knots and "hauling ass" at 6. I've got this 42 year old solid 24' boat that I paid a boat buck ($1K) for and I wouldn't cry myself to sleep if I ran her into a dock. She is the right boat for me. Look at trawlers and keel boats and if she is to be your crew take the Mrs along. If she does like the new investment, she'll let you know and better before than after. Funny how they don't rag us about things they like. Thanks for that advice, mmc. That $1k boat could be the way to go. I'm real accustomed to driving used Chevys. Being both a sailor and a powerboater, I can appreciate both views. Although I kinda like the Corsair tris, I do not think I would want one for livability. Hey, I thought you liked camping. (-: I was just at the St.Pete boat show and was very surprised there mer no Mac sailboats there. Conditions were ideal to test sail one (blustery 20 kt wind) to see how well it does in higher wind ranges and how it would handle some chop. The Mac 26 has the advantages of sail withe the ability to power at higher speeds too. However, I'd really have to evaluate the build quality before buying. I have heard of people upgrading the Mac but do not know what they did . From my reading of the Mac forum, some upgrade to beefier stays than the factory equipped, and some have aftermarket rudders and sails. At least one of the big retailers in the Midwest automatically rigs heavier stuff, and some "improved" running gear. Other sailing gear changes seem to be more personal preference, as with any sailboat. It'll never be a "good" sailboat per the conventional measurements of pointing upwind and speed according to LWL. But it sails. Not the only "less than average speed" sailboat. That outboard on the transom pushing it 20 knots on plane is the selling point for some. I like the fact that due to its light weight it's real economical under power at hull speed. I did test sail a Presto 30, a trailerable sailboat with free standing masts with wishboom booms. It was a nice boat and sailed very well. However, the builder told me it took 2 hours to set up once he had it in the water, not the sort of thing you'd want to do every weekend. I looked at a trailerable Catalina 25 with water ballast and it was "ok" but already showed lesser construction problems with some gelcoat cracking (it was a brand new boat). I'd consider looking at used Mac 26 because that would tell you how one would fare over a few years. I think the typical set up time for the Mac is about half an hour. Seen one cases of gel coat spidering, but the boat doesn't get many quality complaints. Everybody seems to know what they're getting. Light boat, but put together well. Consistent quality. They probably don't do shows because they've been selling all they can produce for years. --Vic |
Boat - Once You Decide It's Pretty Solid
"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:23:05 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: Vic, I'd just suggest that you try the boats on your list and a few other types before handing over the big boat bucks. For instance, try a flats boat after a ride in a CS. Go fast in both boats and get into some choppy water. A flat bottom boat is a flat bottom boat no matter what material and they will beat the crap out of a person. Sail a keel boat and the go fast trimarans and consider your use and the cost. A wise man said with powerboating you have a destination and with sailing you're already there. I enjoy puttering along at 3-4 knots and "hauling ass" at 6. I've got this 42 year old solid 24' boat that I paid a boat buck ($1K) for and I wouldn't cry myself to sleep if I ran her into a dock. She is the right boat for me. Look at trawlers and keel boats and if she is to be your crew take the Mrs along. If she does like the new investment, she'll let you know and better before than after. Funny how they don't rag us about things they like. Thanks for that advice, mmc. That $1k boat could be the way to go. I'm real accustomed to driving used Chevys. Being both a sailor and a powerboater, I can appreciate both views. Although I kinda like the Corsair tris, I do not think I would want one for livability. Hey, I thought you liked camping. (-: I was just at the St.Pete boat show and was very surprised there mer no Mac sailboats there. Conditions were ideal to test sail one (blustery 20 kt wind) to see how well it does in higher wind ranges and how it would handle some chop. The Mac 26 has the advantages of sail withe the ability to power at higher speeds too. However, I'd really have to evaluate the build quality before buying. I have heard of people upgrading the Mac but do not know what they did . From my reading of the Mac forum, some upgrade to beefier stays than the factory equipped, and some have aftermarket rudders and sails. At least one of the big retailers in the Midwest automatically rigs heavier stuff, and some "improved" running gear. Other sailing gear changes seem to be more personal preference, as with any sailboat. It'll never be a "good" sailboat per the conventional measurements of pointing upwind and speed according to LWL. But it sails. Not the only "less than average speed" sailboat. That outboard on the transom pushing it 20 knots on plane is the selling point for some. I like the fact that due to its light weight it's real economical under power at hull speed. I did test sail a Presto 30, a trailerable sailboat with free standing masts with wishboom booms. It was a nice boat and sailed very well. However, the builder told me it took 2 hours to set up once he had it in the water, not the sort of thing you'd want to do every weekend. I looked at a trailerable Catalina 25 with water ballast and it was "ok" but already showed lesser construction problems with some gelcoat cracking (it was a brand new boat). I'd consider looking at used Mac 26 because that would tell you how one would fare over a few years. I think the typical set up time for the Mac is about half an hour. Seen one cases of gel coat spidering, but the boat doesn't get many quality complaints. Everybody seems to know what they're getting. Light boat, but put together well. Consistent quality. They probably don't do shows because they've been selling all they can produce for years. --Vic About the $1k, Frog hit the nail on the head for me with his discussion of "The Perfect Boat" being one that's paid off! Not having that particular albatross (payment) around my neck is nice. |
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