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Steve B December 13th 09 01:45 AM

Dual residency
 
I have an interest to hold residency in two states. Where would I find out
more about this?

Steve



nom=de=plume December 13th 09 02:53 AM

Dual residency
 
"Steve B" wrote in message
...
I have an interest to hold residency in two states. Where would I find out
more about this?

Steve



I know of no Federal requirements. It's probably dependent upon the two
states in question. This is certainly true for state taxation. Suggest you
contact the states' tax agency, since they're the ones who are going to care
the most, perhaps followed by the two DMVs.

--
Nom=de=Plume



thunder December 13th 09 03:47 AM

Dual residency
 
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:45:32 -0800, Steve B wrote:

I have an interest to hold residency in two states. Where would I find
out more about this?

Steve


Why on earth would you have an interest in double taxation?

thunder December 13th 09 06:42 AM

Dual residency
 
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:53:58 -0800, Steve B wrote:

"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:45:32 -0800, Steve B wrote:

I have an interest to hold residency in two states. Where would I
find out more about this?

Steve


Why on earth would you have an interest in double taxation?



Huh? One state has a much lower sales tax. One state has no state
income tax. One state has much lower insurance rates. The other state
has my union insurance coverage at a mere pittance and better coverage
than the other. Each has advantages, and I'd like to split residency
and take advantage of those.

Steve


http://www.dimontelaw.com/establishing_residence.htm


Steve B December 13th 09 06:52 AM

Dual residency
 

"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:45:32 -0800, Steve B wrote:

I have an interest to hold residency in two states. Where would I find
out more about this?

Steve


Why on earth would you have an interest in double taxation?




Steve B December 13th 09 06:53 AM

Dual residency
 

"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:45:32 -0800, Steve B wrote:

I have an interest to hold residency in two states. Where would I find
out more about this?

Steve


Why on earth would you have an interest in double taxation?


Huh? One state has a much lower sales tax. One state has no state income
tax. One state has much lower insurance rates. The other state has my
union insurance coverage at a mere pittance and better coverage than the
other. Each has advantages, and I'd like to split residency and take
advantage of those.

Steve



BAR[_2_] December 13th 09 12:47 PM

Dual residency
 
In article ,
says...

I have an interest to hold residency in two states. Where would I find out
more about this?


Talk to a CPA from both states or talk to a tax attorney.

Good luck and let us know what happens in state and federal tax court.

Steve B December 13th 09 10:10 PM

Dual residency
 

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

I have an interest to hold residency in two states. Where would I find
out
more about this?


Talk to a CPA from both states or talk to a tax attorney. Good luck and
let us know what happens in state and federal tax court.


I'm retired and everything is in trusts.



Bill McKee December 14th 09 03:09 AM

Dual residency
 

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

I have an interest to hold residency in two states. Where would I find
out
more about this?


Talk to a CPA from both states or talk to a tax attorney. Good luck and
let us know what happens in state and federal tax court.


I'm retired and everything is in trusts.


Everything in trusts does not mitigate taxes. Just preserves the exemption
of both spouses if married, and avoids paying an attorney 6% for probate. I
doubt any state will let you declare dual residency when they want money.
Some live near the border. Aquaintance lives near the Oregon and Idaho
border in Washington, since he retired. No state income tax, go across the
border to Oregon to shop and no sales tax, and a short drive to the daughter
in Idaho.



Steve B December 14th 09 03:58 AM

Dual residency
 

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
...

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

I have an interest to hold residency in two states. Where would I find
out
more about this?

Talk to a CPA from both states or talk to a tax attorney. Good luck and
let us know what happens in state and federal tax court.


I'm retired and everything is in trusts.


Everything in trusts does not mitigate taxes. Just preserves the
exemption of both spouses if married, and avoids paying an attorney 6% for
probate. I doubt any state will let you declare dual residency when they
want money. Some live near the border. Aquaintance lives near the Oregon
and Idaho border in Washington, since he retired. No state income tax, go
across the border to Oregon to shop and no sales tax, and a short drive to
the daughter in Idaho.


I live 27 miles from the border.



Bill McKee December 14th 09 04:55 AM

Dual residency
 

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
...

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,

says...

I have an interest to hold residency in two states. Where would I
find out
more about this?

Talk to a CPA from both states or talk to a tax attorney. Good luck
and let us know what happens in state and federal tax court.

I'm retired and everything is in trusts.


Everything in trusts does not mitigate taxes. Just preserves the
exemption of both spouses if married, and avoids paying an attorney 6%
for probate. I doubt any state will let you declare dual residency when
they want money. Some live near the border. Aquaintance lives near the
Oregon and Idaho border in Washington, since he retired. No state income
tax, go across the border to Oregon to shop and no sales tax, and a short
drive to the daughter in Idaho.


I live 27 miles from the border.


So get a 2nd house / shack in Nevada. Use that as your legal residence and
the Utah house as a vacation home.



Steve B December 14th 09 06:29 PM

Dual residency
 

"Bill McKee" wrote
So get a 2nd house / shack in Nevada. Use that as your legal residence
and the Utah house as a vacation home.


Already done.

Two in Utah, two in Nevada, one in Arizona. Just wondering if it is
possible to uitlize the best things from each. Lower vehicle insurance in
one state. Lower health insurance in another. Less sales tax in another.
No state income tax in one. Where to get the best hunting at the lowest
license prices. Just curious if any one precedent overrides the other and
makes you a mandatory resident of one state or the other.

Steve



Wayne.B December 14th 09 06:46 PM

Dual residency
 
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:29:51 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

Just curious if any one precedent overrides the other and
makes you a mandatory resident of one state or the other.


A state with income tax will do everything possible to claim you
unless you go through a total "divorce" proceeding with them. That
means no traceable property ownership, no registered vehicles or
boats, no kids in school, no source of income, no financial accounts,
no drivers license, no utility bills, etc. They may even try to claim
your pension if you retire to another state, better to move first,
then retire.


Bill McKee December 14th 09 09:32 PM

Dual residency
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:29:51 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

Just curious if any one precedent overrides the other and
makes you a mandatory resident of one state or the other.


A state with income tax will do everything possible to claim you
unless you go through a total "divorce" proceeding with them. That
means no traceable property ownership, no registered vehicles or
boats, no kids in school, no source of income, no financial accounts,
no drivers license, no utility bills, etc. They may even try to claim
your pension if you retire to another state, better to move first,
then retire.


They can not get yout pension. California tried to get taxes on pensions
earned in Calif, after the person moved. Court said: Nope!



Wayne.B December 14th 09 09:41 PM

Dual residency
 
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:32:23 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

A state with income tax will do everything possible to claim you
unless you go through a total "divorce" proceeding with them. That
means no traceable property ownership, no registered vehicles or
boats, no kids in school, no source of income, no financial accounts,
no drivers license, no utility bills, etc. They may even try to claim
your pension if you retire to another state, better to move first,
then retire.


They can not get yout pension. California tried to get taxes on pensions
earned in Calif, after the person moved. Court said: Nope!


It's possible that New Jersey has not yet heard of that decision. I
just recently talked to someone that retired from NJ to Florida and NJ
was trying to tax his pension income since that's where it was
"earned" and being paid from.


John H[_11_] December 14th 09 10:26 PM

Dual residency
 
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:46:31 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:29:51 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

Just curious if any one precedent overrides the other and
makes you a mandatory resident of one state or the other.


A state with income tax will do everything possible to claim you
unless you go through a total "divorce" proceeding with them. That
means no traceable property ownership, no registered vehicles or
boats, no kids in school, no source of income, no financial accounts,
no drivers license, no utility bills, etc. They may even try to claim
your pension if you retire to another state, better to move first,
then retire.


It sounds like you've spent some time in Virginia. The tax folks here
are horrendous about changing state of residency.
--

John H

Bill McKee December 14th 09 10:30 PM

Dual residency
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:32:23 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

A state with income tax will do everything possible to claim you
unless you go through a total "divorce" proceeding with them. That
means no traceable property ownership, no registered vehicles or
boats, no kids in school, no source of income, no financial accounts,
no drivers license, no utility bills, etc. They may even try to claim
your pension if you retire to another state, better to move first,
then retire.


They can not get yout pension. California tried to get taxes on pensions
earned in Calif, after the person moved. Court said: Nope!


It's possible that New Jersey has not yet heard of that decision. I
just recently talked to someone that retired from NJ to Florida and NJ
was trying to tax his pension income since that's where it was
"earned" and being paid from.


Have him check the California decisions. Buddy moved to Reno area and Calif
was trying to tax his Carpenters pension.



Wayne.B December 15th 09 01:30 AM

Dual residency
 
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:26:16 -0500, John H
wrote:

It sounds like you've spent some time in Virginia. The tax folks here
are horrendous about changing state of residency.


Just before moving to Florida I lived in NY and worked in NJ. New
Jersey was even trying to tax my wife's income which was earned in NY.

One of my finest days was when I divorced them both.


John H[_2_] December 15th 09 01:51 AM

Dual residency
 
On Dec 14, 8:30*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:26:16 -0500, John H
wrote:

It sounds like you've spent some time in Virginia. The tax folks here
are horrendous about changing state of residency.


Just before moving to Florida I lived in NY and worked in NJ. * New
Jersey was even trying to tax my wife's income which was earned in NY.

One of my finest days was when I divorced them both. *


Amen

Steve B December 15th 09 03:41 AM

Dual residency
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Dec 14, 8:30 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:26:16 -0500, John H
wrote:

It sounds like you've spent some time in Virginia. The tax folks here
are horrendous about changing state of residency.


Just before moving to Florida I lived in NY and worked in NJ. New
Jersey was even trying to tax my wife's income which was earned in NY.

One of my finest days was when I divorced them both.


Amen

reply: lots of folks kissing NY good bye.



BAR[_2_] December 15th 09 12:07 PM

Dual residency
 
In article ,
om says...

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:46:31 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:29:51 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

Just curious if any one precedent overrides the other and
makes you a mandatory resident of one state or the other.


A state with income tax will do everything possible to claim you
unless you go through a total "divorce" proceeding with them. That
means no traceable property ownership, no registered vehicles or
boats, no kids in school, no source of income, no financial accounts,
no drivers license, no utility bills, etc. They may even try to claim
your pension if you retire to another state, better to move first,
then retire.


It sounds like you've spent some time in Virginia. The tax folks here
are horrendous about changing state of residency.


I like the county sticker scam. You can't get your county sticker unless
you pay your county personal property tax. When was your personal
property tax due? December 5th each year. Freaking *******s.

The last new car I bought in Virginia in 1988 cost me nearly $2000 for
the privilege of living in Fairfax County and getting the honor of
paying personal property tax.



John H[_11_] December 15th 09 01:45 PM

Dual residency
 
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:41:13 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
...
On Dec 14, 8:30 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:26:16 -0500, John H
wrote:

It sounds like you've spent some time in Virginia. The tax folks here
are horrendous about changing state of residency.


Just before moving to Florida I lived in NY and worked in NJ. New
Jersey was even trying to tax my wife's income which was earned in NY.

One of my finest days was when I divorced them both.


Amen

reply: lots of folks kissing NY good bye.


....and first wives.
--

John H

John H[_11_] December 15th 09 01:48 PM

Dual residency
 
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:07:42 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:46:31 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:29:51 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

Just curious if any one precedent overrides the other and
makes you a mandatory resident of one state or the other.

A state with income tax will do everything possible to claim you
unless you go through a total "divorce" proceeding with them. That
means no traceable property ownership, no registered vehicles or
boats, no kids in school, no source of income, no financial accounts,
no drivers license, no utility bills, etc. They may even try to claim
your pension if you retire to another state, better to move first,
then retire.


It sounds like you've spent some time in Virginia. The tax folks here
are horrendous about changing state of residency.


I like the county sticker scam. You can't get your county sticker unless
you pay your county personal property tax. When was your personal
property tax due? December 5th each year. Freaking *******s.

The last new car I bought in Virginia in 1988 cost me nearly $2000 for
the privilege of living in Fairfax County and getting the honor of
paying personal property tax.


They did away with the sticker, here in Fairfax County, but they kept
the tax. The police used to drive around and ticket cars without
stickers, and folks that live in the county could report cars without
stickers. But, too many illegal aliens were getting caught. So they
did away with stickers.
--

John H

BAR[_2_] December 16th 09 02:27 AM

Dual residency
 
In article ,
om says...

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:07:42 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:46:31 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:29:51 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

Just curious if any one precedent overrides the other and
makes you a mandatory resident of one state or the other.

A state with income tax will do everything possible to claim you
unless you go through a total "divorce" proceeding with them. That
means no traceable property ownership, no registered vehicles or
boats, no kids in school, no source of income, no financial accounts,
no drivers license, no utility bills, etc. They may even try to claim
your pension if you retire to another state, better to move first,
then retire.

It sounds like you've spent some time in Virginia. The tax folks here
are horrendous about changing state of residency.


I like the county sticker scam. You can't get your county sticker unless
you pay your county personal property tax. When was your personal
property tax due? December 5th each year. Freaking *******s.

The last new car I bought in Virginia in 1988 cost me nearly $2000 for
the privilege of living in Fairfax County and getting the honor of
paying personal property tax.


They did away with the sticker, here in Fairfax County, but they kept
the tax. The police used to drive around and ticket cars without
stickers, and folks that live in the county could report cars without
stickers. But, too many illegal aliens were getting caught. So they
did away with stickers.


I moved out too soon or they moved in too late.



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