This isn't a plan for "reform"...
 

It’s an escape hatch for Senate Democrats who have trapped themselves
in a highly unpopular effort. Even the New York Times thinks this is a
bad idea.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/he...sure.html?_r=1

“Extending this successful program to those between 55 and 64 would be
the largest expansion of Medicare in 44 years and would perhaps get us
on the path to a single-payer model,” said Representative Anthony
Weiner, Democrat of New York."

Yep - that's about it. Well, single payer for everybody except for
Federal, State and Union employees - they get to keep their private
insurances.

This isn't a plan for "reform"...
 

On Dec 11, 11:17*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
It s an escape hatch for Senate Democrats who *have trapped themselves
in a highly unpopular effort. Even the New York Times thinks this is a
bad idea.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/he...sure.html?_r=1

Extending this successful program to those between 55 and 64 would be
the largest expansion of Medicare in 44 years and would perhaps get us
on the path to a single-payer model, said Representative Anthony
Weiner, Democrat of New York."

Yep - that's about it. Well, single payer for everybody except for
Federal, State and Union employees - they get to keep their private
insurances.

Here, the ten biggest lies from the Republicans about the health care
reform. I wonder, if it's SO bad to the right, why must they tell lie
after lie after lie?



http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?ui...876&topic=9006

This isn't a plan for "reform"...
 

Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 11, 11:17 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
It s an escape hatch for Senate Democrats who have trapped themselves
in a highly unpopular effort. Even the New York Times thinks this is a
bad idea.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/he...sure.html?_r=1

Extending this successful program to those between 55 and 64 would be
the largest expansion of Medicare in 44 years and would perhaps get us
on the path to a single-payer model, said Representative Anthony
Weiner, Democrat of New York."

Yep - that's about it. Well, single payer for everybody except for
Federal, State and Union employees - they get to keep their private
insurances.

Here, the ten biggest lies from the Republicans about the health care
reform. I wonder, if it's SO bad to the right, why must they tell lie
after lie after lie?



http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?ui...876&topic=9006


And you propose we accept some FaceBook fanatics interpretation of the
"facts". I don't think so.

This isn't a plan for "reform"...
 

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Dec 11, 11:17 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
It s an escape hatch for Senate Democrats who have trapped themselves
in a highly unpopular effort. Even the New York Times thinks this is a
bad idea.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/he...sure.html?_r=1

Extending this successful program to those between 55 and 64 would be
the largest expansion of Medicare in 44 years and would perhaps get us
on the path to a single-payer model, said Representative Anthony
Weiner, Democrat of New York."

Yep - that's about it. Well, single payer for everybody except for
Federal, State and Union employees - they get to keep their private
insurances.

Here, the ten biggest lies from the Republicans about the health care
reform. I wonder, if it's SO bad to the right, why must they tell lie
after lie after lie?



http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?ui...876&topic=9006

Reply:
The real facts are that the current bill is 2700+ pages. Plus it also has
over 100 references to items that leave the implementation to the Dept of
health and services. We do not know what to do, so the Secretary of the
Dept can do what she wants. This is one fubar bill. Does nada for
lowering the cost of healthcare for the small percentage of those without
insurance, just who pays for it. Same people that always have. The
taxpayers.



Come one. On the one hand loonies complain that the bill is too long, then
others such as yourself complain it's too long. Which is it?

I believe it's actually 2047 pages, but so what? Implementation is
typically left to the departments. There's no way to include every
possible action in a bill. More right wing diatribe that has nothing to do
with healthcare reform. You really need to stop getting your talking
points from talk radio.


--
Nom=de=Plume


A bill of this size and import should not leave a lot of the critical items
to be solved later by the dept. The Legislators can not argue the
implementations.

This isn't a plan for "reform"...
 

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Dec 11, 11:17 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
It s an escape hatch for Senate Democrats who have trapped themselves
in a highly unpopular effort. Even the New York Times thinks this is a
bad idea.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/he...sure.html?_r=1

Extending this successful program to those between 55 and 64 would be
the largest expansion of Medicare in 44 years and would perhaps get us
on the path to a single-payer model, said Representative Anthony
Weiner, Democrat of New York."

Yep - that's about it. Well, single payer for everybody except for
Federal, State and Union employees - they get to keep their private
insurances.

Here, the ten biggest lies from the Republicans about the health care
reform. I wonder, if it's SO bad to the right, why must they tell lie
after lie after lie?



http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?ui...876&topic=9006

Reply:
The real facts are that the current bill is 2700+ pages. Plus it also
has over 100 references to items that leave the implementation to the
Dept of health and services. We do not know what to do, so the
Secretary of the Dept can do what she wants. This is one fubar bill.
Does nada for lowering the cost of healthcare for the small percentage
of those without insurance, just who pays for it. Same people that
always have. The taxpayers.



Come one. On the one hand loonies complain that the bill is too long,
then others such as yourself complain it's too long. Which is it?

I believe it's actually 2047 pages, but so what? Implementation is
typically left to the departments. There's no way to include every
possible action in a bill. More right wing diatribe that has nothing to
do with healthcare reform. You really need to stop getting your talking
points from talk radio.


--
Nom=de=Plume


A bill of this size and import should not leave a lot of the critical
items to be solved later by the dept. The Legislators can not argue the
implementations.



Every bill has wiggle room for implementation. It's not feasible to have it
otherwise. When you become an expert in the legislative process, do get back
to us.


--
Nom=de=Plume

This isn't a plan for "reform"...
 

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...
"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Dec 11, 11:17 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
It s an escape hatch for Senate Democrats who have trapped themselves
in a highly unpopular effort. Even the New York Times thinks this is a
bad idea.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/he...sure.html?_r=1

Extending this successful program to those between 55 and 64 would be
the largest expansion of Medicare in 44 years and would perhaps get us
on the path to a single-payer model, said Representative Anthony
Weiner, Democrat of New York."

Yep - that's about it. Well, single payer for everybody except for
Federal, State and Union employees - they get to keep their private
insurances.
Here, the ten biggest lies from the Republicans about the health care
reform. I wonder, if it's SO bad to the right, why must they tell lie
after lie after lie?



http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?ui...876&topic=9006

Reply:
The real facts are that the current bill is 2700+ pages. Plus it also
has over 100 references to items that leave the implementation to the
Dept of health and services. We do not know what to do, so the
Secretary of the Dept can do what she wants. This is one fubar bill.
Does nada for lowering the cost of healthcare for the small percentage
of those without insurance, just who pays for it. Same people that
always have. The taxpayers.


Come one. On the one hand loonies complain that the bill is too long,
then others such as yourself complain it's too long. Which is it?

I believe it's actually 2047 pages, but so what? Implementation is
typically left to the departments. There's no way to include every
possible action in a bill. More right wing diatribe that has nothing to
do with healthcare reform. You really need to stop getting your talking
points from talk radio.


--
Nom=de=Plume

A bill of this size and import should not leave a lot of the critical
items to be solved later by the dept. The Legislators can not argue the
implementations.



Every bill has wiggle room for implementation. It's not feasible to have it
otherwise. When you become an expert in the legislative process, do get back
to us.







Guy blows 0.08 and a kid in the car. He goes to jail for more than a
year, felony, and the kid ends up in foster care, or the mom and
kid end
up sleeping in a shelter. Just like a lot of other mandatory
sentencing
laws. unintended consequenses rule.



So, by your philosophy we should not try to do the right thing. That's a
pretty low standard.



I thintk he might have been liiking for "a little wiggle room" in the law.

I'm surprised that such a smart good looking gal couldn't see that.
--




Imagine being such a worthless p.o.s. that you post on usenet using
someone else's ID

This isn't a plan for "reform"...
 

On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:30:53 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:

On Dec 11, 2:10*pm, "D. Duck" wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 11, 11:17 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
It s an escape hatch for Senate Democrats who *have trapped themselves
in a highly unpopular effort. Even the New York Times thinks this is a
bad idea.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/he...sure.html?_r=1

Extending this successful program to those between 55 and 64 would be
the largest expansion of Medicare in 44 years and would perhaps get us
on the path to a single-payer model, said Representative Anthony
Weiner, Democrat of New York."

Yep - that's about it. Well, single payer for everybody except for
Federal, State and Union employees - they get to keep their private
insurances.

Here, the ten biggest lies from the Republicans about the health care
reform. I wonder, if it's SO bad to the right, why must they tell lie
after lie after lie?

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?ui...876&topic=9006

And you propose we accept some FaceBook fanatics interpretation of the
"facts". *I don't think so.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Loogy's getting his "facts" from facebook?

Where else could he get facts to support *his* arguments?
--

John H

This isn't a plan for "reform"...
 

On Dec 11, 2:10*pm, "D. Duck" wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 11, 11:17 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
It s an escape hatch for Senate Democrats who *have trapped themselves
in a highly unpopular effort. Even the New York Times thinks this is a
bad idea.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/he...sure.html?_r=1

Extending this successful program to those between 55 and 64 would be
the largest expansion of Medicare in 44 years and would perhaps get us
on the path to a single-payer model, said Representative Anthony
Weiner, Democrat of New York."

Yep - that's about it. Well, single payer for everybody except for
Federal, State and Union employees - they get to keep their private
insurances.

Here, the ten biggest lies from the Republicans about the health care
reform. I wonder, if it's SO bad to the right, why must they tell lie
after lie after lie?

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?ui...876&topic=9006

And you propose we accept some FaceBook fanatics interpretation of the
"facts". *I don't think so.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Facts are facts. There is no interpretation. The facebook guy simply
re-posted those lies. Do you deny any of those lies? Which ones? OR
are you pulling a Harry and just shooting the messenger instead of
debating the message?

This isn't a plan for "reform"...
 

On Dec 12, 9:44*am, John H wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:30:53 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:





On Dec 11, 2:10*pm, "D. Duck" wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 11, 11:17 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
It s an escape hatch for Senate Democrats who *have trapped themselves
in a highly unpopular effort. Even the New York Times thinks this is a
bad idea.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/he...sure.html?_r=1

Extending this successful program to those between 55 and 64 would be
the largest expansion of Medicare in 44 years and would perhaps get us
on the path to a single-payer model, said Representative Anthony
Weiner, Democrat of New York."

Yep - that's about it. Well, single payer for everybody except for
Federal, State and Union employees - they get to keep their private
insurances.

Here, the ten biggest lies from the Republicans about the health care
reform. I wonder, if it's SO bad to the right, why must they tell lie
after lie after lie?

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?ui...876&topic=9006

And you propose we accept some FaceBook fanatics interpretation of the
"facts". *I don't think so.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Loogy's getting his "facts" from facebook?

Where else could he get facts to support *his* arguments?
--

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Facts are facts. The facebook guy simply reposted them. Do you deny
any of them? Which ones? Or do you simply want to shoot the messenger
ala Harry?

This isn't a plan for "reform"...
 

On Dec 12, 9:44*am, John H wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:30:53 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:





On Dec 11, 2:10*pm, "D. Duck" wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 11, 11:17 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
It s an escape hatch for Senate Democrats who *have trapped themselves
in a highly unpopular effort. Even the New York Times thinks this is a
bad idea.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/he...sure.html?_r=1

Extending this successful program to those between 55 and 64 would be
the largest expansion of Medicare in 44 years and would perhaps get us
on the path to a single-payer model, said Representative Anthony
Weiner, Democrat of New York."

Yep - that's about it. Well, single payer for everybody except for
Federal, State and Union employees - they get to keep their private
insurances.

Here, the ten biggest lies from the Republicans about the health care
reform. I wonder, if it's SO bad to the right, why must they tell lie
after lie after lie?

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?ui...876&topic=9006

And you propose we accept some FaceBook fanatics interpretation of the
"facts". *I don't think so.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Loogy's getting his "facts" from facebook?

Where else could he get facts to support *his* arguments?
--

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm guessing Newsweek isn't reliable either, huh?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/214254

This website?:

http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wor...on-healthcare/

U.S. Health Crisis Online?

http://ushealthcrisis.com/2009/07/th...n-health-care/

Andy Ostroy?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-o...b_365137..html

David Drissel?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8...th-Care-Reform

Now, refute the lies as opposed to being reverse Harry.