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Bush let bin laden get away to help justify war against iraq
The bush admin deliberately let bin laden get away:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk_IL...layer_embedded snerk -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Bush let bin laden get away to help justify war against iraq
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... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:43:31 -0500, "H the K (I post with a Mac)" wrote: The bush admin deliberately let bin laden get away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk_IL...layer_embedded snerk I think Bin Laden is really pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things but if we didn't have him around we would invent another bogie man to give us an excuse to look. I always believed we did kill OBL in Tora Bora and we just let the legend live on unchallenged for that reason. We're going to smoke him out... perhaps he meant via wacky tobacci... -- Nom=de=Plume |
Bush let bin laden get away to help justify war against iraq
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:48:28 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:43:31 -0500, "H the K (I post with a Mac)" wrote: The bush admin deliberately let bin laden get away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk_IL...layer_embedded snerk I think Bin Laden is really pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things but if we didn't have him around we would invent another bogie man to give us an excuse to look. I always believed we did kill OBL in Tora Bora and we just let the legend live on unchallenged for that reason. We're going to smoke him out... perhaps he meant via wacky tobacci... Dead or alive. |
Bush let bin laden get away to help justify war against iraq
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... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:48:28 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:43:31 -0500, "H the K (I post with a Mac)" wrote: The bush admin deliberately let bin laden get away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk_IL...layer_embedded snerk I think Bin Laden is really pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things but if we didn't have him around we would invent another bogie man to give us an excuse to look. I always believed we did kill OBL in Tora Bora and we just let the legend live on unchallenged for that reason. We're going to smoke him out... perhaps he meant via wacky tobacci... The Afghanis always made the best hash :) -- Nom=de=Plume |
Bush let bin laden get away to help justify war against iraq
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:47:56 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:20:45 -0800, jps wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:19:47 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:48:28 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:43:31 -0500, "H the K (I post with a Mac)" wrote: The bush admin deliberately let bin laden get away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk_IL...layer_embedded snerk I think Bin Laden is really pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things but if we didn't have him around we would invent another bogie man to give us an excuse to look. I always believed we did kill OBL in Tora Bora and we just let the legend live on unchallenged for that reason. We're going to smoke him out... perhaps he meant via wacky tobacci... The Afghanis always made the best hash Well then, we should be promoting its production instead of poppies. I'd like for the 30,000 troops to help them build schools, hospitals and reseed their poppy fields with hemp. Afghani clothing and hash would be fine exports that'd put the world in a better mood. A lot better plan than the one we will hear tomorrow. You should run for office. Appreciate the endorsement but I have too many skeletons in the closet, including a set of German screwdrivers. |
Bush let bin laden get away to help justify war against iraq
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On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:48:28 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:43:31 -0500, "H the K (I post with a Mac)" wrote: The bush admin deliberately let bin laden get away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk_IL...layer_embedded snerk I think Bin Laden is really pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things but if we didn't have him around we would invent another bogie man to give us an excuse to look. I always believed we did kill OBL in Tora Bora and we just let the legend live on unchallenged for that reason. We're going to smoke him out... perhaps he meant via wacky tobacci... The Afghanis always made the best hash Do you think bin Laden is insignificant compared to, say, finding weapons of mass destruction, or having the iraqis pay for our involvement in their country, or in stabilizing iraq, afghanistan, or the palestinian territory, or lebanon, all of which were colossal lies and foreign policy blunders of the previous mis-administration. :) -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Bush let bin laden get away to help justify war against iraq
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wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:48:28 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:43:31 -0500, "H the K (I post with a Mac)" wrote: The bush admin deliberately let bin laden get away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk_IL...layer_embedded snerk I think Bin Laden is really pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things but if we didn't have him around we would invent another bogie man to give us an excuse to look. I always believed we did kill OBL in Tora Bora and we just let the legend live on unchallenged for that reason. We're going to smoke him out... perhaps he meant via wacky tobacci... The Afghanis always made the best hash Do you think bin Laden is insignificant compared to, say, finding weapons of mass destruction, or having the iraqis pay for our involvement in their country, or in stabilizing iraq, afghanistan, or the palestinian territory, or lebanon, all of which were colossal lies and foreign policy blunders of the previous mis-administration. :) On second thought, it's a pipe dream to think we can prance in there and stabilize the region. It can't be done, ever. This whole affair is a cluster****. The fool on the hill should have pulled all our troups out instead of sending 30000 more of our fine men and women to be slaughtered by those **** stains. Kill em all and let Allah sort them out. We have the technology. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet,or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Bush let bin laden get away to help justify war against iraq
H the K (I post with a Mac) wrote:
On second thought, it's a pipe dream to think we can prance in there and stabilize the region. It can't be done, ever. This whole affair is a cluster****. The fool on the hill should have pulled all our troups out instead of sending 30000 more of our fine men and women to be slaughtered by those **** stains. Kill em all and let Allah sort them out. We have the technology. Sorry, but to say you post with a mac, you have to post with a mac. You're just the harry wannabe, posting via windows on aioe.org. Too bad your life is such a worthless piece of crap you feel the need to impersonate your superiors. Oh...and you can't write, spell or punctuate, either, and your mommy dresses you funny. "troups" crikey... -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Bush let bin laden get away to help justify war against iraq
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On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:48:28 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:43:31 -0500, "H the K (I post with a Mac)" wrote: The bush admin deliberately let bin laden get away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk_IL...layer_embedded snerk I think Bin Laden is really pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things but if we didn't have him around we would invent another bogie man to give us an excuse to look. I always believed we did kill OBL in Tora Bora and we just let the legend live on unchallenged for that reason. We're going to smoke him out... perhaps he meant via wacky tobacci... Dead or alive. Obama Bin Laden, ooops, sorry, Osama Bin Laden will die an old man of natural causes. Far too many make far too much money not to catch him. The old approach of fly in, bomb the targets and leave was a far better policy than occupation. THe west hasn't got the politicial guts to win this war for many of the same reasons as Vietnam. |
Bush let bin laden get away to help justify war against iraq
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jps wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:48:28 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:43:31 -0500, "H the K (I post with a Mac)" wrote: The bush admin deliberately let bin laden get away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk_IL...layer_embedded snerk I think Bin Laden is really pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things but if we didn't have him around we would invent another bogie man to give us an excuse to look. I always believed we did kill OBL in Tora Bora and we just let the legend live on unchallenged for that reason. We're going to smoke him out... perhaps he meant via wacky tobacci... Dead or alive. Obama Bin Laden, ooops, sorry, Osama Bin Laden will die an old man of natural causes. Far too many make far too much money not to catch him. The old approach of fly in, bomb the targets and leave was a far better policy than occupation. THe west hasn't got the politicial guts to win this war for many of the same reasons as Vietnam. Sorry, scheisskopf, you cannot win these wars by "bombing the targets." Of course, you can't win these wars with occupation, either. This is a new age...we're not fighting centralized, industrial, western-like powers in that part of the world. They were living as they lived 500 years ago before we got there, and they'll be living that way long after we leave. In Afghani-like scenarios, the military is...obsolete. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Bush let bin laden get away to help justify war against iraq
"H the K (I post with a Mac)" wrote in message ... H the K (I post with a Mac) wrote: On second thought, it's a pipe dream to think we can prance in there and stabilize the region. It can't be done, ever. This whole affair is a cluster****. The fool on the hill should have pulled all our troups out instead of sending 30000 more of our fine men and women to be slaughtered by those **** stains. Kill em all and let Allah sort them out. We have the technology. Sorry, but to say you post with a mac, you have to post with a mac. You're just the harry wannabe, posting via windows on aioe.org. Too bad your life is such a worthless piece of crap you feel the need to impersonate your superiors. Oh...and you can't write, spell or punctuate, either, and your mommy dresses you funny. "troups" crikey... Those pseudo Harrys still trying to fool the newsgroup? They should give it up...The Freak is the only one who can't figure their game out. |
Bush let bin laden get away to help justify war against iraq
On Dec 1, 12:47*am, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:20:45 -0800, jps wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:19:47 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:48:28 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:43:31 -0500, "H the K (I post with a Mac)" wrote: The bush admin deliberately let bin laden get away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk_IL...layer_embedded snerk I think Bin Laden is really pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things but if we didn't have him around we would invent another bogie man to give us an excuse to look. I always believed we did kill OBL in Tora Bora and we just let the legend live on unchallenged for that reason. We're going to smoke him out... perhaps he meant via wacky tobacci... The Afghanis always made the best hash Well then, we should be promoting its production instead of poppies. I'd like for the 30,000 troops to help them build schools, hospitals and reseed their poppy fields with hemp. Afghani clothing and hash would be fine exports that'd put the world in a better mood. A lot better plan than the one we will hear tomorrow. You should run for office.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Uh, how do you know that if you haven't heard the plan yet? This means, that without ANY facts, you're already making negative remarks. |
Bush let bin laden get away to help justify war against iraq
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says... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:48:28 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:43:31 -0500, "H the K (I post with a Mac)" wrote: The bush admin deliberately let bin laden get away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk_IL...layer_embedded snerk I think Bin Laden is really pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things but if we didn't have him around we would invent another bogie man to give us an excuse to look. I always believed we did kill OBL in Tora Bora and we just let the legend live on unchallenged for that reason. We're going to smoke him out... perhaps he meant via wacky tobacci... The Afghanis always made the best hash Wow, I dunno.... What about Turkey and Lebanon? At least that was what I was told by those silly Heads... |
Bush let bin laden get away to help justify war against iraq
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, says... On Dec 1, 12:47*am, wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:20:45 -0800, jps wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:19:47 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:48:28 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:43:31 -0500, "H the K (I post with a Mac)" wrote: The bush admin deliberately let bin laden get away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk_IL...layer_embedded snerk I think Bin Laden is really pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things but if we didn't have him around we would invent another bogie man to give us an excuse to look. I always believed we did kill OBL in Tora Bora and we just let the legend live on unchallenged for that reason. We're going to smoke him out... perhaps he meant via wacky tobacci... The Afghanis always made the best hash Well then, we should be promoting its production instead of poppies. I'd like for the 30,000 troops to help them build schools, hospitals and reseed their poppy fields with hemp. Afghani clothing and hash would be fine exports that'd put the world in a better mood. A lot better plan than the one we will hear tomorrow. You should run for office.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Uh, how do you know that if you haven't heard the plan yet? This means, that without ANY facts, you're already making negative remarks. Wow. From what I can see, this is a whole Bush bash thread, with the pink army. Even the title of the thread is a Bush bash, and you wait till now to make a comment to Gene? Just sayin' FarmVille boooeeeeeyyyyie |
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... On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:23:49 -0700, Canuck57 wrote: The old approach of fly in, bomb the targets and leave was a far better policy than occupation. The problem with that is it accomplishes nothing and alienates everyone, including people who should be our allies. By the end of the "bomb them from orbit" Clinton administration we had lost the respect of most of the world. That is why the Iraq sanctions were failing. Again with the revisionist history lesson?? Clinton was hugely popular both here and abroad. He remains so. It's Bush who lost the world's respect for the US. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Bush let bin laden get away to help justify war against iraq
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:51:19 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote: In article dc57c3f9-3893-42d8-abc6- , says... On Dec 1, 12:47*am, wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:20:45 -0800, jps wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:19:47 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:48:28 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:43:31 -0500, "H the K (I post with a Mac)" wrote: The bush admin deliberately let bin laden get away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk_IL...layer_embedded snerk I think Bin Laden is really pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things but if we didn't have him around we would invent another bogie man to give us an excuse to look. I always believed we did kill OBL in Tora Bora and we just let the legend live on unchallenged for that reason. We're going to smoke him out... perhaps he meant via wacky tobacci... The Afghanis always made the best hash Well then, we should be promoting its production instead of poppies. I'd like for the 30,000 troops to help them build schools, hospitals and reseed their poppy fields with hemp. Afghani clothing and hash would be fine exports that'd put the world in a better mood. A lot better plan than the one we will hear tomorrow. You should run for office.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Uh, how do you know that if you haven't heard the plan yet? This means, that without ANY facts, you're already making negative remarks. Wow. From what I can see, this is a whole Bush bash thread, with the pink army. Even the title of the thread is a Bush bash, and you wait till now to make a comment to Gene? Just sayin' FarmVille boooeeeeeyyyyie My wife does the farmville bit, so I told her to link up with you. She couldn't figure out how to do it. -- John H |
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... On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:16:38 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:23:49 -0700, Canuck57 wrote: The old approach of fly in, bomb the targets and leave was a far better policy than occupation. The problem with that is it accomplishes nothing and alienates everyone, including people who should be our allies. By the end of the "bomb them from orbit" Clinton administration we had lost the respect of most of the world. That is why the Iraq sanctions were failing. Again with the revisionist history lesson?? Clinton was hugely popular both here and abroad. He remains so. It's Bush who lost the world's respect for the US. Perhaps I need to clarify, Clinton was popular but his Iraq policy was roundly rebuked. There were protesters in the street all over Europe. Most of the EU was defying the embargo. His containment policy worked pretty well, although it was starting to weaken toward the end of his second term. It was a heck of a lot better than what came next though. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:35:57 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: The old approach of fly in, bomb the targets and leave was a far better policy than occupation. The problem with that is it accomplishes nothing and alienates everyone, including people who should be our allies. By the end of the "bomb them from orbit" Clinton administration we had lost the respect of most of the world. That is why the Iraq sanctions were failing. Again with the revisionist history lesson?? Clinton was hugely popular both here and abroad. He remains so. It's Bush who lost the world's respect for the US. Perhaps I need to clarify, Clinton was popular but his Iraq policy was roundly rebuked. There were protesters in the street all over Europe. Most of the EU was defying the embargo. His containment policy worked pretty well, although it was starting to weaken toward the end of his second term. It was a heck of a lot better than what came next though. You are admitting the "containment" strategy was failing, thanks for being honest. The reality is, when the EU abandoned the embargo and Saddam threw out the inspectors, the containment was more rhetoric than reality. What would your next step going to be if we didn't put boots on the ground there? Basically it was either getting out or going in. We were running out of excuses to keep bombing Iraqi civilians in the name of saving the Kurds and the coup we wanted out of them wasn't going to happen. I'm admitting no such thing. I said "weakening," which means it could have been strenthened if Bush has the desire to try. Saddam also let the inspectors back in, but that wasn't good enough for warmonger Bush. My next step? I wasn't the president, and there was no threat to the US. Israel certainly could and can take care of itself. He wasn't invading anyone. Yet again, you're revising history. Bush said nothing about the poor Iraqi people until the WMD bs wouldn't float any more. The Kurds has a very secure area with Saddam contained. He did nothing to them leading up to the invasion. He gassed them in 1988... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,190446,00.html. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:11:34 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:35:57 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: The old approach of fly in, bomb the targets and leave was a far better policy than occupation. The problem with that is it accomplishes nothing and alienates everyone, including people who should be our allies. By the end of the "bomb them from orbit" Clinton administration we had lost the respect of most of the world. That is why the Iraq sanctions were failing. Again with the revisionist history lesson?? Clinton was hugely popular both here and abroad. He remains so. It's Bush who lost the world's respect for the US. Perhaps I need to clarify, Clinton was popular but his Iraq policy was roundly rebuked. There were protesters in the street all over Europe. Most of the EU was defying the embargo. His containment policy worked pretty well, although it was starting to weaken toward the end of his second term. It was a heck of a lot better than what came next though. You are admitting the "containment" strategy was failing, thanks for being honest. The reality is, when the EU abandoned the embargo and Saddam threw out the inspectors, the containment was more rhetoric than reality. What would your next step going to be if we didn't put boots on the ground there? Basically it was either getting out or going in. We were running out of excuses to keep bombing Iraqi civilians in the name of saving the Kurds and the coup we wanted out of them wasn't going to happen. I'm admitting no such thing. I said "weakening," which means it could have been strenthened if Bush has the desire to try. Saddam also let the inspectors back in, but that wasn't good enough for warmonger Bush. My next step? I wasn't the president, and there was no threat to the US. Israel certainly could and can take care of itself. He wasn't invading anyone. Yet again, you're revising history. Bush said nothing about the poor Iraqi people until the WMD bs wouldn't float any more. The Kurds has a very secure area with Saddam contained. He did nothing to them leading up to the invasion. He gassed them in 1988... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,190446,00.html. Clinton was the one who said he was saving the Kurds, that was the excuse for the no fly zones. I said, "with Saddam contained." Thus Clinton was ensuring the Kurds' continued security. I am not here to defend Bush, he was wrong. My question is why didn't Clinton get us out of there? Saddam was clearly slipping away from containment and without an effective embargo we really didn't have any way to contain him without more military action. Because the containment was still working. It's unclear if other means could be used to continue to thwart Saddam's greater designs on the region. We didn't get a chance to try ala Bush. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:11:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: My next step? I wasn't the president, and there was no threat to the US. Israel certainly could and can take care of itself. He wasn't invading anyone. Yet again, you're revising history. Bush said nothing about the poor Iraqi people until the WMD bs wouldn't float any more. The Kurds has a very secure area with Saddam contained. He did nothing to them leading up to the invasion. He gassed them in 1988... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,190446,00.html. Clinton was the one who said he was saving the Kurds, that was the excuse for the no fly zones. I said, "with Saddam contained." Thus Clinton was ensuring the Kurds' continued security. The no fly zones were unsustainable. At a certain point we were still going to have to put boots on the ground or abandon the project. Saddam was slipping out of the containment in 2000, before Bush took office. Read a little about diversions from the oil for food program. Clinton ignored it because it was an election year. The next guy had a decision to make, either enforce the UN resolutions or get out. I think Bush made the wrong choice but having Saddam rebuilding his army was troubling too. We had lost the embargo by then and in November of 2000 Iraq rejected any more inspections. You don't know this. It's a guess and by no means a sure thing. This is the same type of rationale that Bush used... preemption. Bush lied to us and to the world. "Made the wrong choice" isn't what happened. He deliberately mislead. There's a big difference. The inspectors were allowed back in and were doing their work. http://www.infoplease.com/spot/iraqtimeline2.html I am not here to defend Bush, he was wrong. My question is why didn't Clinton get us out of there? Saddam was clearly slipping away from containment and without an effective embargo we really didn't have any way to contain him without more military action. Because the containment was still working. It's unclear if other means could be used to continue to thwart Saddam's greater designs on the region. We didn't get a chance to try ala Bush. Define "working". We were bombing them at least once a week because they were shooting at UN planes and oil money was flowing into his country at close to pre-war levels. He was using that money to rebuild his military. So what? We should not be in the business of preemption without a direct threat to _us_ or our allies. No such threat existed. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:11:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Because the containment was still working. It's unclear if other means could be used to continue to thwart Saddam's greater designs on the region. We didn't get a chance to try ala Bush. -- This is "working"? Sure, if you ignore the lives of the people on the ground. http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/ju...iraq-j05.shtml You sure seem to care a lot about the Iraqis at the expense of us... Here's the time line again, in case you missed it. http://www.infoplease.com/spot/iraqtimeline2.html -- Nom=de=Plume |
Bush let bin laden get away to help justify war against iraq
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:11:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Because the containment was still working. It's unclear if other means could be used to continue to thwart Saddam's greater designs on the region. We didn't get a chance to try ala Bush. -- This is "working"? Sure, if you ignore the lives of the people on the ground. http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/ju...iraq-j05.shtml You sure seem to care a lot about the Iraqis at the expense of us... Here's the time line again, in case you missed it. http://www.infoplease.com/spot/iraqtimeline2.html We must be careful not to reveal our ("me me me", "I've got mine, **** you") attitude. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet,or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Bush let bin laden get away to help justify war against iraq
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... On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:58:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:11:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: My next step? I wasn't the president, and there was no threat to the US. Israel certainly could and can take care of itself. He wasn't invading anyone. Yet again, you're revising history. Bush said nothing about the poor Iraqi people until the WMD bs wouldn't float any more. The Kurds has a very secure area with Saddam contained. He did nothing to them leading up to the invasion. He gassed them in 1988... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,190446,00.html. Clinton was the one who said he was saving the Kurds, that was the excuse for the no fly zones. I said, "with Saddam contained." Thus Clinton was ensuring the Kurds' continued security. The no fly zones were unsustainable. At a certain point we were still going to have to put boots on the ground or abandon the project. Saddam was slipping out of the containment in 2000, before Bush took office. Read a little about diversions from the oil for food program. Clinton ignored it because it was an election year. The next guy had a decision to make, either enforce the UN resolutions or get out. I think Bush made the wrong choice but having Saddam rebuilding his army was troubling too. We had lost the embargo by then and in November of 2000 Iraq rejected any more inspections. You don't know this. It's a guess and by no means a sure thing. This is the same type of rationale that Bush used... preemption. Bush lied to us and to the world. "Made the wrong choice" isn't what happened. He deliberately mislead. There's a big difference. The inspectors were allowed back in and were doing their work. http://www.infoplease.com/spot/iraqtimeline2.html \ Hans Blix would disagree with you ?? They were allowed back in as per the timeline I gave you. I am not here to defend Bush, he was wrong. My question is why didn't Clinton get us out of there? Saddam was clearly slipping away from containment and without an effective embargo we really didn't have any way to contain him without more military action. Because the containment was still working. It's unclear if other means could be used to continue to thwart Saddam's greater designs on the region. We didn't get a chance to try ala Bush. Define "working". We were bombing them at least once a week because they were shooting at UN planes and oil money was flowing into his country at close to pre-war levels. He was using that money to rebuild his military. So what? We should not be in the business of preemption without a direct threat to _us_ or our allies. No such threat existed. Again you are trying to make me a fan of the Bush war and that is not true at all. I am also against the Clinton war. We had no excuse to be there in the first place if Saddam was not a threat. I still say he threatened Israel and that is the real reason we were there. I agree he never threatened the US. No I'm not. You're just not reporting what happened accurately. You can have it both ways. He was a threat to the region and perhaps to us, thus we were containing him. He wasn't a threat to us short term, thus we had no business invading. Israel already destroyed his reactor. They had nothing to do with us invading. They can take care of themselves. You're just making things up with the "Israel was the real reason" crap. If any reason was real, it was for oil. It's called the Great Game and it's been going on a long time. http://www.newgreatgame.com/preface.htm -- Nom=de=Plume |
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