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On Nov 29, 7:30*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
I have never ever met a vegetarian who was NOT a nutcase. Steve, my son is a vegie and works for an arcatectual firm and has two degrees in engineering. I think you hit the nail on the head. |
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On Nov 29, 10:59*pm, "mgg" wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... made some smoked mullet. Your brother in-law smoked his haircut?? *Eeeeewwwwwww! g --Mike LOL! I was thinking the same thing. (sorry) ?;^ ) |
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On Nov 30, 8:57*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article b63abc79-a82f-4a95-be4d- , says... On Nov 29, 8:07*pm, Frogwatch wrote: ALL of my seven sisters have become veggie nut cases although fortunately their kids have not succumbed. *So, I was naturally skeptical to see a vague meat-looking waaaaay too symmetrical blob covered with gravy and dressing at Thanksgiving AND, there was an identical one next to it. *Yeah, sorta meat-like texture but no internal structure. *I just had to ask, Yup, it was Tofurkey and to be nice I had to take some. *If you smothered *it with enough gravy and had a few drinks, MAYBE you could accept it. Fortunately, my brother had made some smoked turkey and brother in law made some smoked mullet. Why would someone be branded a "nut case" because they've decided on a healthier lifestyle? Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some such. Why is that? And I LOVE smoked mullet. It's not so much being the veggie head that makes them "nut cases". It's the other aspects of their personalities that seems to go along with that lifestyle, at least up here in the North :) I had a friend that was a vegatarian. It was just crazy in her mid thirties hearing her try to tell us that "no animal in the world really eats meat, only us". What I said? What about Lions I asked? She explained to me that Lions don't eat meat, "they rip open the animals and only eat the stomach contents of grass and stuff"! That was about when I admitted I was an animal and a terrible person for eating meat, and went on with it...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Odd. Why would the nature programs show lions and other assorted big cats knawing on some Yak leg bone? Maybe cheetahs etc only do that for cleaner teeth??? BTW, My old cat used to almost swallow mice whole. Well, at least after a few hearty crunches |
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On Nov 30, 9:43*am, Loogypicker wrote:
I really doubt that if there is a God, he'd want us treating his creatures like this.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, Loog. Somebody made them to stand there, be cute, stupid and tastey. |
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On Nov 30, 11:46*am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Nov 30, 12:38*pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Nov 30, 11:59*am, John H wrote: On Nov 30, 10:43*am, Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 9:57*am, I am Tosk wrote: In article b63abc79-a82f-4a95-be4d- , says... On Nov 29, 8:07*pm, Frogwatch wrote: ALL of my seven sisters have become veggie nut cases although fortunately their kids have not succumbed. *So, I was naturally skeptical to see a vague meat-looking waaaaay too symmetrical blob covered with gravy and dressing at Thanksgiving AND, there was an identical one next to it. *Yeah, sorta meat-like texture but no internal structure. *I just had to ask, Yup, it was Tofurkey and to be nice I had to take some. *If you smothered *it with enough gravy and had a few drinks, MAYBE you could accept it. Fortunately, my brother had made some smoked turkey and brother in law made some smoked mullet. Why would someone be branded a "nut case" because they've decided on a healthier lifestyle? Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some such. Why is that? And I LOVE smoked mullet. It's not so much being the veggie head that makes them "nut cases". It's the other aspects of their personalities that seems to go along with that lifestyle, at least up here in the North :) I had a friend that was a vegatarian. It was just crazy in her mid thirties hearing her try to tell us that "no animal in the world really eats meat, only us". What I said? What about Lions I asked? She explained to me that Lions don't eat meat, "they rip open the animals and only eat the stomach contents of grass and stuff"! That was about when I admitted I was an animal and a terrible person for eating meat, and went on with it...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Most vegetarians aren't concerned with whether animals in the wild eat meat or not. Most are concerned with human consumption gone wild. What we have in this country now days is NOTHING short of animal factories. I've seen it first hand. Animals aren't treated with any regard to pain, living conditions or anything short of getting them fattened up and ready for sale. There is also the aspect about what those huge farms are doing to the environment, let alone eating diseased animals. Isn't this a lovely sight:http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming_cows.asp http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...eet_your_Meat/ I really doubt that if there is a God, he'd want us treating his creatures like this. Loogy, why jump on this as a political thing? I have a niece who is a veggan. She's also a conservative. She's also weird, which she wasn't until she started the veggan stuff. Nothing political about it. One of my sisters started telling me about how chickens do not have room to even stand up in the chicken factories. *I gave her a blank look and then replied, "This is 2009, why do chickens still have feet, we have no use for chicken feet". *She says, "What, you expect them to fly all the time?" *After some consideration, I said, "Yes, we could implant magnets in the chickens and levitate them, that way the number of chickens would not be dependent on the area of the chicken factory but on the volume. *There would be a rain of feed from the top and a conveyor feeding legless chicks from the top. *As the chickens grew, they would sink to the bottom to be carried away, easy engineering problem. *God, chicken feet, what a bizarre idea". *She gave me a horrified look and walked away.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Maybe the reason would become abundantly clear if YOU were in a cage with 8 other people so cramped in that you couldn't even lift an arm, vying for good and water. I've seen it first hand, friend had an egg producing chicken farm. If you think that treating animals horrifically is a good thing, then you don't think.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Loog. I asked a local turkey farmer which was more stupid. A chicken or a turkey. he said "a turkey" I asked if there was anything stupider than the turkey, and he said... "Yeah. The guy raising 'em.. |
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On Nov 30, 12:12*pm, Loogypicker wrote:
On Nov 30, 12:58*pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:31:09 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 11:59*am, John H wrote: On Nov 30, 10:43*am, Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 9:57*am, I am Tosk wrote: In article b63abc79-a82f-4a95-be4d- , says... On Nov 29, 8:07*pm, Frogwatch wrote: ALL of my seven sisters have become veggie nut cases although fortunately their kids have not succumbed. *So, I was naturally skeptical to see a vague meat-looking waaaaay too symmetrical blob covered with gravy and dressing at Thanksgiving AND, there was an identical one next to it. *Yeah, sorta meat-like texture but no internal structure. *I just had to ask, Yup, it was Tofurkey and to be nice I had to take some. *If you smothered *it with enough gravy and had a few drinks, MAYBE you could accept it. Fortunately, my brother had made some smoked turkey and brother in law made some smoked mullet. Why would someone be branded a "nut case" because they've decided on a healthier lifestyle? Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some such. Why is that? And I LOVE smoked mullet. It's not so much being the veggie head that makes them "nut cases". It's the other aspects of their personalities that seems to go along with that lifestyle, at least up here in the North :) I had a friend that was a vegatarian. It was just crazy in her mid thirties hearing her try to tell us that "no animal in the world really eats meat, only us". What I said? What about Lions I asked? She explained to me that Lions don't eat meat, "they rip open the animals and only eat the stomach contents of grass and stuff"! That was about when I admitted I was an animal and a terrible person for eating meat, and went on with it...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Most vegetarians aren't concerned with whether animals in the wild eat meat or not. Most are concerned with human consumption gone wild. What we have in this country now days is NOTHING short of animal factories. I've seen it first hand. Animals aren't treated with any regard to pain, living conditions or anything short of getting them fattened up and ready for sale. There is also the aspect about what those huge farms are doing to the environment, let alone eating diseased animals. Isn't this a lovely sight:http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming_cows..asp http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...eet_your_Meat/ I really doubt that if there is a God, he'd want us treating his creatures like this. Loogy, why jump on this as a political thing? I have a niece who is a veggan. She's also a conservative. She's also weird, which she wasn't until she started the veggan stuff. Nothing political about it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where did I say anything political? Gosh, perhaps I misinterpreted this line you wrote earlier: "Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand *someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some *such." Usually you use the term 'wingnuts' when you're referring to conservatives, i.e. 'right wingers' (as opposed to 'wrong wingers', I guess). I suppose you're using the term 'wingnuts' to refer to anyone who isn't a 'veggan' or other non-meat eater? -- John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm referring to a wingnut as what it is: From the Online Slang Dictionary: wingnut •someone lacking in mental abilities, uneducated, rather than mentally handicapped. he's a a real wingnut! From Merriam Webster: Main Entry: wing nut Function: noun Date: circa 1900 1 : a nut with wings that provide a grip for the thumb and finger 2 slang : a mentally deranged person 3 slang : one who advocates extreme measures or changes : radical So, the question would be asked, why are YOU making this political?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I thought wingnuts held air cleaners on carburators. Man, I learn somethign new in here every day! |
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On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:02:52 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote: In article 24bf95f9-03f0-4a63-8a67-5f62a4922a83 , says... On Nov 30, 4:38*pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:12:51 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 12:58*pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:31:09 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 11:59*am, John H wrote: On Nov 30, 10:43*am, Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 9:57*am, I am Tosk wrote: In article b63abc79-a82f-4a95-be4d- , says... On Nov 29, 8:07*pm, Frogwatch wrote: ALL of my seven sisters have become veggie nut cases although fortunately their kids have not succumbed. *So, I was naturally skeptical to see a vague meat-looking waaaaay too symmetrical blob covered with gravy and dressing at Thanksgiving AND, there was an identical one next to it. *Yeah, sorta meat-like texture but no internal structure. *I just had to ask, Yup, it was Tofurkey and to be nice I had to take some. *If you smothered *it with enough gravy and had a few drinks, MAYBE you could accept it. Fortunately, my brother had made some smoked turkey and brother in law made some smoked mullet. Why would someone be branded a "nut case" because they've decided on a healthier lifestyle? Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some such. Why is that? And I LOVE smoked mullet. It's not so much being the veggie head that makes them "nut cases". It's the other aspects of their personalities that seems to go along with that lifestyle, at least up here in the North :) I had a friend that was a vegatarian. It was just crazy in her mid thirties hearing her try to tell us that "no animal in the world really eats meat, only us". What I said? What about Lions I asked? She explained to me that Lions don't eat meat, "they rip open the animals and only eat the stomach contents of grass and stuff"! That was about when I admitted I was an animal and a terrible person for eating meat, and went on with it...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Most vegetarians aren't concerned with whether animals in the wild eat meat or not. Most are concerned with human consumption gone wild. What we have in this country now days is NOTHING short of animal factories. I've seen it first hand. Animals aren't treated with any regard to pain, living conditions or anything short of getting them fattened up and ready for sale. There is also the aspect about what those huge farms are doing to the environment, let alone eating diseased animals. Isn't this a lovely sight:http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming_cows.asp http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...eet_your_Meat/ I really doubt that if there is a God, he'd want us treating his creatures like this. Loogy, why jump on this as a political thing? I have a niece who is a veggan. She's also a conservative. She's also weird, which she wasn't until she started the veggan stuff. Nothing political about it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where did I say anything political? Gosh, perhaps I misinterpreted this line you wrote earlier: "Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand *someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some *such." Usually you use the term 'wingnuts' when you're referring to conservatives, i.e. 'right wingers' (as opposed to 'wrong wingers', I guess). I suppose you're using the term 'wingnuts' to refer to anyone who isn't a 'veggan' or other non-meat eater? -- John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm referring to a wingnut as what it is: From the Online Slang Dictionary: wingnut ?someone lacking in mental abilities, uneducated, rather than mentally handicapped. he's a a real wingnut! From Merriam Webster: Main Entry: wing nut Function: noun Date: circa 1900 1 : a nut with wings that provide a grip for the thumb and finger 2 slang : a mentally deranged person 3 slang : one who advocates extreme measures or changes : radical So, the question would be asked, why are YOU making this political? Oh wow, I didn't even know such a dictionary existed. I must apologize then for thinking that you were turning an informative post into a political statement. You were actually just 'name-calling', like Harry does all the time. Sorry, I should have known that you weren't saying anything political. Not to mention trolling for the Christian response bringing God into it in such a manner. You shouldn't apologize, it was a troll... -- Apology accepted. Well, I know it was a troll, but I don't have a problem apologizing to Loogy. After all, he's going to man up and apologize for calling us names, right? -- John H |
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"jps" wrote in message
... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:31:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "jps" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:43:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Steve B" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:07:27 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: ALL of my seven sisters have become veggie nut cases although fortunately their kids have not succumbed. So, I was naturally skeptical to see a vague meat-looking waaaaay too symmetrical blob covered with gravy and dressing at Thanksgiving AND, there was an identical one next to it. Yeah, sorta meat-like texture but no internal structure. I just had to ask, Yup, it was Tofurkey and to be nice I had to take some. If you smothered it with enough gravy and had a few drinks, MAYBE you could accept it. Fortunately, my brother had made some smoked turkey and brother in law made some smoked mullet. I have never ever met a vegetarian who was NOT a nutcase. If this is so good for you, why is it that the practitioners of it are so agressively adamant about it? It seems to radically change their internal chemistry, and dominoes into their personality. Some of these people who you would think eat nuts and berries turn into people with the personality of grizzly bears. Just MHO, YMMV Steve Sure thing... grease burgers are heart food. I went without eating beef for 15 years, not because of my health but because of the perversity of supporting a system that plunders our country's resources. Vegetarians, in my experience, are more likely to be aware of their own health and the health of the environment. No wonder the Bigot Steve doesn't understand them. I've never been a true vegetarian but I've cut way down on meat. Sushi is my favorite, but a burger or roast can't be beat sometimes. Kid's are growing and the protein is good for them. We've relaxed but only buy beef that was raised well and died humanely. No feed lot purchases. Free range chicken/turkey. Getting a little freaked out by the overfishing so going easy on sushi. Make California rolls at home. Love uni and there's plenty of that. Have a friend who slow roasts ribs... Mmmmmmmm. Yeah... ribs.... I have a great recipe. I'd do that for the holidays, but everyone wants more traditional food. You might want to consider organic or biodynamic vs. free range: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/f...view/index.htm -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"jps" wrote in message
... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:50:35 -0800, Eddie wrote: On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:54:03 -0800, jps wrote: I went without eating beef for 15 years, not because of my health but because of the perversity of supporting a system that plunders our country's resources. Vegetarians, in my experience, are more likely to be aware of their own health and the health of the environment. No wonder the Bigot Steve doesn't understand them. There is no scientific or medical evidence that vegetarians live longer or are healthier than non-vegetarians.* Eddie *Dr. Dean Edell on KGO radio, SF CA I can come up with any number of quotes from reputable doctors who'd say exactly the opposite. How about heart disease and ingesting animal fat. Think there's no correlation? There's some evidence that a severely restricted diet increases life expectancy, but it doesn't sound like much fun. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:26:16 -0800, Frogwatch wrote:
Meat will be produced from modified zero-conciousness life forms ... for modified zero-consciousness life forms. I don't have any soft spot for chickens, damn stupid animals, but you might want to consider what these factory farms are doing to our health. We are running out of effective antibiotics due to resistant bacteria. It's mostly due to the overuse of antibiotics on these factory farms. Growth hormones? What the hey, we need 400 lb. football players. The sewage, loaded down with said antibiotics, growth hormones, other drugs, and pesticides? No problem, it just adds flavoring to our drinking water. |
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On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:22:05 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:31:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:43:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Steve B" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:07:27 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: ALL of my seven sisters have become veggie nut cases although fortunately their kids have not succumbed. So, I was naturally skeptical to see a vague meat-looking waaaaay too symmetrical blob covered with gravy and dressing at Thanksgiving AND, there was an identical one next to it. Yeah, sorta meat-like texture but no internal structure. I just had to ask, Yup, it was Tofurkey and to be nice I had to take some. If you smothered it with enough gravy and had a few drinks, MAYBE you could accept it. Fortunately, my brother had made some smoked turkey and brother in law made some smoked mullet. I have never ever met a vegetarian who was NOT a nutcase. If this is so good for you, why is it that the practitioners of it are so agressively adamant about it? It seems to radically change their internal chemistry, and dominoes into their personality. Some of these people who you would think eat nuts and berries turn into people with the personality of grizzly bears. Just MHO, YMMV Steve Sure thing... grease burgers are heart food. I went without eating beef for 15 years, not because of my health but because of the perversity of supporting a system that plunders our country's resources. Vegetarians, in my experience, are more likely to be aware of their own health and the health of the environment. No wonder the Bigot Steve doesn't understand them. I've never been a true vegetarian but I've cut way down on meat. Sushi is my favorite, but a burger or roast can't be beat sometimes. Kid's are growing and the protein is good for them. We've relaxed but only buy beef that was raised well and died humanely. No feed lot purchases. Free range chicken/turkey. Getting a little freaked out by the overfishing so going easy on sushi. Make California rolls at home. Love uni and there's plenty of that. Have a friend who slow roasts ribs... Mmmmmmmm. Yeah... ribs.... I have a great recipe. I'd do that for the holidays, but everyone wants more traditional food. You might want to consider organic or biodynamic vs. free range: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/f...view/index.htm I'll have a look but I often use those terms interchangably and likely incorrectly. We had an organic Kosher bird for TG and then cooked another free range/organic on Sunday for friends who lost their dog on TG night. By Saturday, the fanciest birds were 75% off!!! $14 for 14 lb bird. |
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On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:23:43 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:50:35 -0800, Eddie wrote: On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:54:03 -0800, jps wrote: I went without eating beef for 15 years, not because of my health but because of the perversity of supporting a system that plunders our country's resources. Vegetarians, in my experience, are more likely to be aware of their own health and the health of the environment. No wonder the Bigot Steve doesn't understand them. There is no scientific or medical evidence that vegetarians live longer or are healthier than non-vegetarians.* Eddie *Dr. Dean Edell on KGO radio, SF CA I can come up with any number of quotes from reputable doctors who'd say exactly the opposite. How about heart disease and ingesting animal fat. Think there's no correlation? There's some evidence that a severely restricted diet increases life expectancy, but it doesn't sound like much fun. People on calorie restriction look like they've got half a foot in the grave already. |
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"jps" wrote in message
... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:23:43 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "jps" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:50:35 -0800, Eddie wrote: On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:54:03 -0800, jps wrote: I went without eating beef for 15 years, not because of my health but because of the perversity of supporting a system that plunders our country's resources. Vegetarians, in my experience, are more likely to be aware of their own health and the health of the environment. No wonder the Bigot Steve doesn't understand them. There is no scientific or medical evidence that vegetarians live longer or are healthier than non-vegetarians.* Eddie *Dr. Dean Edell on KGO radio, SF CA I can come up with any number of quotes from reputable doctors who'd say exactly the opposite. How about heart disease and ingesting animal fat. Think there's no correlation? There's some evidence that a severely restricted diet increases life expectancy, but it doesn't sound like much fun. People on calorie restriction look like they've got half a foot in the grave already. I saw something on TV about it. They were very, very concerned about some tomato soup or some such nonsense. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:42:15 -0600, thunder
wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:26:16 -0800, Frogwatch wrote: Meat will be produced from modified zero-conciousness life forms ... for modified zero-consciousness life forms. Perfect. Thank you. |
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On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:07:16 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:23:43 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:50:35 -0800, Eddie wrote: On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:54:03 -0800, jps wrote: I went without eating beef for 15 years, not because of my health but because of the perversity of supporting a system that plunders our country's resources. Vegetarians, in my experience, are more likely to be aware of their own health and the health of the environment. No wonder the Bigot Steve doesn't understand them. There is no scientific or medical evidence that vegetarians live longer or are healthier than non-vegetarians.* Eddie *Dr. Dean Edell on KGO radio, SF CA I can come up with any number of quotes from reputable doctors who'd say exactly the opposite. How about heart disease and ingesting animal fat. Think there's no correlation? There's some evidence that a severely restricted diet increases life expectancy, but it doesn't sound like much fun. People on calorie restriction look like they've got half a foot in the grave already. I saw something on TV about it. They were very, very concerned about some tomato soup or some such nonsense. Good diet for those suffering from OCD. |
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"jps" wrote in message
... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:22:05 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "jps" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:31:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "jps" wrote in message m... On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:43:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Steve B" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:07:27 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: ALL of my seven sisters have become veggie nut cases although fortunately their kids have not succumbed. So, I was naturally skeptical to see a vague meat-looking waaaaay too symmetrical blob covered with gravy and dressing at Thanksgiving AND, there was an identical one next to it. Yeah, sorta meat-like texture but no internal structure. I just had to ask, Yup, it was Tofurkey and to be nice I had to take some. If you smothered it with enough gravy and had a few drinks, MAYBE you could accept it. Fortunately, my brother had made some smoked turkey and brother in law made some smoked mullet. I have never ever met a vegetarian who was NOT a nutcase. If this is so good for you, why is it that the practitioners of it are so agressively adamant about it? It seems to radically change their internal chemistry, and dominoes into their personality. Some of these people who you would think eat nuts and berries turn into people with the personality of grizzly bears. Just MHO, YMMV Steve Sure thing... grease burgers are heart food. I went without eating beef for 15 years, not because of my health but because of the perversity of supporting a system that plunders our country's resources. Vegetarians, in my experience, are more likely to be aware of their own health and the health of the environment. No wonder the Bigot Steve doesn't understand them. I've never been a true vegetarian but I've cut way down on meat. Sushi is my favorite, but a burger or roast can't be beat sometimes. Kid's are growing and the protein is good for them. We've relaxed but only buy beef that was raised well and died humanely. No feed lot purchases. Free range chicken/turkey. Getting a little freaked out by the overfishing so going easy on sushi. Make California rolls at home. Love uni and there's plenty of that. Have a friend who slow roasts ribs... Mmmmmmmm. Yeah... ribs.... I have a great recipe. I'd do that for the holidays, but everyone wants more traditional food. You might want to consider organic or biodynamic vs. free range: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/f...view/index.htm I'll have a look but I often use those terms interchangably and likely incorrectly. We had an organic Kosher bird for TG and then cooked another free range/organic on Sunday for friends who lost their dog on TG night. By Saturday, the fanciest birds were 75% off!!! $14 for 14 lb bird. Nice price... I worked on a somewhat related patent application... having to do with bio-testing of cattle and poultry. Interesting issues involved, but there is so much industry pressure and rear-end covering... -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:24:48 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:22:05 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:31:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "jps" wrote in message om... On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:43:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Steve B" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:07:27 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: ALL of my seven sisters have become veggie nut cases although fortunately their kids have not succumbed. So, I was naturally skeptical to see a vague meat-looking waaaaay too symmetrical blob covered with gravy and dressing at Thanksgiving AND, there was an identical one next to it. Yeah, sorta meat-like texture but no internal structure. I just had to ask, Yup, it was Tofurkey and to be nice I had to take some. If you smothered it with enough gravy and had a few drinks, MAYBE you could accept it. Fortunately, my brother had made some smoked turkey and brother in law made some smoked mullet. I have never ever met a vegetarian who was NOT a nutcase. If this is so good for you, why is it that the practitioners of it are so agressively adamant about it? It seems to radically change their internal chemistry, and dominoes into their personality. Some of these people who you would think eat nuts and berries turn into people with the personality of grizzly bears. Just MHO, YMMV Steve Sure thing... grease burgers are heart food. I went without eating beef for 15 years, not because of my health but because of the perversity of supporting a system that plunders our country's resources. Vegetarians, in my experience, are more likely to be aware of their own health and the health of the environment. No wonder the Bigot Steve doesn't understand them. I've never been a true vegetarian but I've cut way down on meat. Sushi is my favorite, but a burger or roast can't be beat sometimes. Kid's are growing and the protein is good for them. We've relaxed but only buy beef that was raised well and died humanely. No feed lot purchases. Free range chicken/turkey. Getting a little freaked out by the overfishing so going easy on sushi. Make California rolls at home. Love uni and there's plenty of that. Have a friend who slow roasts ribs... Mmmmmmmm. Yeah... ribs.... I have a great recipe. I'd do that for the holidays, but everyone wants more traditional food. You might want to consider organic or biodynamic vs. free range: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/f...view/index.htm I'll have a look but I often use those terms interchangably and likely incorrectly. We had an organic Kosher bird for TG and then cooked another free range/organic on Sunday for friends who lost their dog on TG night. By Saturday, the fanciest birds were 75% off!!! $14 for 14 lb bird. Nice price... I worked on a somewhat related patent application... having to do with bio-testing of cattle and poultry. Interesting issues involved, but there is so much industry pressure and rear-end covering... Hey, when Walmart gets in the business of "organic" food, you know there's either going to be some rule changes or fudging... Once all is said and done, "organic" will mean whatever you're eating has been genetically engineered and flavored with lead. |
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On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:42:15 -0600, thunder
wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:26:16 -0800, Frogwatch wrote: Meat will be produced from modified zero-conciousness life forms ... for modified zero-consciousness life forms. I don't have any soft spot for chickens, damn stupid animals, but you might want to consider what these factory farms are doing to our health. We are running out of effective antibiotics due to resistant bacteria. It's mostly due to the overuse of antibiotics on these factory farms. Growth hormones? What the hey, we need 400 lb. football players. The sewage, loaded down with said antibiotics, growth hormones, other drugs, and pesticides? No problem, it just adds flavoring to our drinking water. So it's not the chickens, it's the chemicals fed to the chickens. Sounds like a chemical problem, not a meat problem. Surely Obama will fix that! -- John H |
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On Dec 1, 8:27*am, John H wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:42:15 -0600, thunder wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:26:16 -0800, Frogwatch wrote: *Meat will be produced from modified zero-conciousness life forms ... for modified zero-consciousness life forms. I don't have any soft spot for chickens, damn stupid animals, but you might want to consider what these factory farms are doing to our health. * We are running out of effective antibiotics due to resistant bacteria. * It's mostly due to the overuse of antibiotics on these factory farms. * Growth hormones? *What the hey, we need 400 lb. football players. *The sewage, loaded down with said antibiotics, growth hormones, other drugs, and pesticides? *No problem, it just adds flavoring to our drinking water. So it's not the chickens, it's the chemicals fed to the chickens. Sounds like a chemical problem, not a meat problem. WHoooooosh....... |
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On Nov 30, 10:42*pm, thunder wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:26:16 -0800, Frogwatch wrote: *Meat will be produced from modified zero-conciousness life forms ... for modified zero-consciousness life forms. I don't have any soft spot for chickens, damn stupid animals, but you might want to consider what these factory farms are doing to our health. * We are running out of effective antibiotics due to resistant bacteria. * It's mostly due to the overuse of antibiotics on these factory farms. * Growth hormones? *What the hey, we need 400 lb. football players. *The sewage, loaded down with said antibiotics, growth hormones, other drugs, and pesticides? *No problem, it just adds flavoring to our drinking water. If you'll notice, those that are saying that all vegetarians are whack jobs just because they don't eat meat, are also the ones that are against just about any change. |
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On Nov 30, 7:25*pm, John H wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:02:52 -0500, I am Tosk wrote: In article 24bf95f9-03f0-4a63-8a67-5f62a4922a83 , says... On Nov 30, 4:38*pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:12:51 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 12:58*pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:31:09 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 11:59*am, John H wrote: On Nov 30, 10:43*am, Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 9:57*am, I am Tosk wrote: In article b63abc79-a82f-4a95-be4d- , says... On Nov 29, 8:07*pm, Frogwatch wrote: ALL of my seven sisters have become veggie nut cases although fortunately their kids have not succumbed. *So, I was naturally skeptical to see a vague meat-looking waaaaay too symmetrical blob covered with gravy and dressing at Thanksgiving AND, there was an identical one next to it. *Yeah, sorta meat-like texture but no internal structure. *I just had to ask, Yup, it was Tofurkey and to be nice I had to take some. *If you smothered *it with enough gravy and had a few drinks, MAYBE you could accept it. Fortunately, my brother had made some smoked turkey and brother in law made some smoked mullet. Why would someone be branded a "nut case" because they've decided on a healthier lifestyle? Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some such. Why is that? And I LOVE smoked mullet. It's not so much being the veggie head that makes them "nut cases". It's the other aspects of their personalities that seems to go along with that lifestyle, at least up here in the North :) I had a friend that was a vegatarian. It was just crazy in her mid thirties hearing her try to tell us that "no animal in the world really eats meat, only us". What I said? What about Lions I asked? She explained to me that Lions don't eat meat, "they rip open the animals and only eat the stomach contents of grass and stuff"! That was about when I admitted I was an animal and a terrible person for eating meat, and went on with it...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Most vegetarians aren't concerned with whether animals in the wild eat meat or not. Most are concerned with human consumption gone wild. What we have in this country now days is NOTHING short of animal factories. I've seen it first hand. Animals aren't treated with any regard to pain, living conditions or anything short of getting them fattened up and ready for sale. There is also the aspect about what those huge farms are doing to the environment, let alone eating diseased animals. Isn't this a lovely sight:http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming_cows.asp http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...eet_your_Meat/ I really doubt that if there is a God, he'd want us treating his creatures like this. Loogy, why jump on this as a political thing? I have a niece who is a veggan. She's also a conservative. She's also weird, which she wasn't until she started the veggan stuff. Nothing political about it..- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where did I say anything political? Gosh, perhaps I misinterpreted this line you wrote earlier: "Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand *someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some *such." Usually you use the term 'wingnuts' when you're referring to conservatives, i.e. 'right wingers' (as opposed to 'wrong wingers', I guess). I suppose you're using the term 'wingnuts' to refer to anyone who isn't a 'veggan' or other non-meat eater? -- John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm referring to a wingnut as what it is: From the Online Slang Dictionary: wingnut ?someone lacking in mental abilities, uneducated, rather than mentally handicapped. he's a a real wingnut! From Merriam Webster: Main Entry: wing nut Function: noun Date: circa 1900 1 : a nut with wings that provide a grip for the thumb and finger 2 slang : a mentally deranged person 3 slang : one who advocates extreme measures or changes : radical So, the question would be asked, why are YOU making this political? Oh wow, I didn't even know such a dictionary existed. I must apologize then for thinking that you were turning an informative post into a political statement. You were actually just 'name-calling', like Harry does all the time. Sorry, I should have known that you weren't saying anything political. Not to mention trolling for the Christian response bringing God into it in such a manner. You shouldn't apologize, it was a troll... -- Apology accepted. Well, I know it was a troll, but I don't have a problem apologizing to Loogy. After all, he's going to man up and apologize for calling us names, right? -- John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What names did I call you and Scotty? |
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On Nov 30, 7:02*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 24bf95f9-03f0-4a63-8a67-5f62a4922a83 @f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says... On Nov 30, 4:38*pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:12:51 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 12:58*pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:31:09 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 11:59*am, John H wrote: On Nov 30, 10:43*am, Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 9:57*am, I am Tosk wrote: In article b63abc79-a82f-4a95-be4d- , says... On Nov 29, 8:07*pm, Frogwatch wrote: ALL of my seven sisters have become veggie nut cases although fortunately their kids have not succumbed. *So, I was naturally skeptical to see a vague meat-looking waaaaay too symmetrical blob covered with gravy and dressing at Thanksgiving AND, there was an identical one next to it. *Yeah, sorta meat-like texture but no internal structure. *I just had to ask, Yup, it was Tofurkey and to be nice I had to take some. *If you smothered *it with enough gravy and had a few drinks, MAYBE you could accept it. Fortunately, my brother had made some smoked turkey and brother in law made some smoked mullet. Why would someone be branded a "nut case" because they've decided on a healthier lifestyle? Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some such. Why is that? And I LOVE smoked mullet. It's not so much being the veggie head that makes them "nut cases". It's the other aspects of their personalities that seems to go along with that lifestyle, at least up here in the North :) I had a friend that was a vegatarian. It was just crazy in her mid thirties hearing her try to tell us that "no animal in the world really eats meat, only us". What I said? What about Lions I asked? She explained to me that Lions don't eat meat, "they rip open the animals and only eat the stomach contents of grass and stuff"! That was about when I admitted I was an animal and a terrible person for eating meat, and went on with it...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Most vegetarians aren't concerned with whether animals in the wild eat meat or not. Most are concerned with human consumption gone wild. What we have in this country now days is NOTHING short of animal factories. I've seen it first hand. Animals aren't treated with any regard to pain, living conditions or anything short of getting them fattened up and ready for sale. There is also the aspect about what those huge farms are doing to the environment, let alone eating diseased animals. Isn't this a lovely sight:http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming_cows.asp http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...eet_your_Meat/ I really doubt that if there is a God, he'd want us treating his creatures like this. Loogy, why jump on this as a political thing? I have a niece who is a veggan. She's also a conservative. She's also weird, which she wasn't until she started the veggan stuff. Nothing political about it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where did I say anything political? Gosh, perhaps I misinterpreted this line you wrote earlier: "Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand *someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some *such." Usually you use the term 'wingnuts' when you're referring to conservatives, i.e. 'right wingers' (as opposed to 'wrong wingers', I guess). I suppose you're using the term 'wingnuts' to refer to anyone who isn't a 'veggan' or other non-meat eater? -- John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm referring to a wingnut as what it is: From the Online Slang Dictionary: wingnut ?someone lacking in mental abilities, uneducated, rather than mentally handicapped. he's a a real wingnut! From Merriam Webster: Main Entry: wing nut Function: noun Date: circa 1900 1 : a nut with wings that provide a grip for the thumb and finger 2 slang : a mentally deranged person 3 slang : one who advocates extreme measures or changes : radical So, the question would be asked, why are YOU making this political? Oh wow, I didn't even know such a dictionary existed. I must apologize then for thinking that you were turning an informative post into a political statement. You were actually just 'name-calling', like Harry does all the time. Sorry, I should have known that you weren't saying anything political.. Not to mention trolling for the Christian response bringing God into it in such a manner. You shouldn't apologize, it was a troll... -- Apology accepted.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, it was a sincere comment. You believe in God, correct? Do you think He'd approve of someone treating animals as in the vid? |
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On Nov 30, 6:43*pm, Tim wrote:
On Nov 30, 11:46*am, Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 12:38*pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Nov 30, 11:59*am, John H wrote: On Nov 30, 10:43*am, Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 9:57*am, I am Tosk wrote: In article b63abc79-a82f-4a95-be4d- , says... On Nov 29, 8:07*pm, Frogwatch wrote: ALL of my seven sisters have become veggie nut cases although fortunately their kids have not succumbed. *So, I was naturally skeptical to see a vague meat-looking waaaaay too symmetrical blob covered with gravy and dressing at Thanksgiving AND, there was an identical one next to it. *Yeah, sorta meat-like texture but no internal structure. *I just had to ask, Yup, it was Tofurkey and to be nice I had to take some. *If you smothered *it with enough gravy and had a few drinks, MAYBE you could accept it. Fortunately, my brother had made some smoked turkey and brother in law made some smoked mullet. Why would someone be branded a "nut case" because they've decided on a healthier lifestyle? Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some such. Why is that? And I LOVE smoked mullet. It's not so much being the veggie head that makes them "nut cases". It's the other aspects of their personalities that seems to go along with that lifestyle, at least up here in the North :) I had a friend that was a vegatarian. It was just crazy in her mid thirties hearing her try to tell us that "no animal in the world really eats meat, only us". What I said? What about Lions I asked? She explained to me that Lions don't eat meat, "they rip open the animals and only eat the stomach contents of grass and stuff"! That was about when I admitted I was an animal and a terrible person for eating meat, and went on with it...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Most vegetarians aren't concerned with whether animals in the wild eat meat or not. Most are concerned with human consumption gone wild. What we have in this country now days is NOTHING short of animal factories. I've seen it first hand. Animals aren't treated with any regard to pain, living conditions or anything short of getting them fattened up and ready for sale. There is also the aspect about what those huge farms are doing to the environment, let alone eating diseased animals. Isn't this a lovely sight:http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming_cows.asp http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...eet_your_Meat/ I really doubt that if there is a God, he'd want us treating his creatures like this. Loogy, why jump on this as a political thing? I have a niece who is a veggan. She's also a conservative. She's also weird, which she wasn't until she started the veggan stuff. Nothing political about it. One of my sisters started telling me about how chickens do not have room to even stand up in the chicken factories. *I gave her a blank look and then replied, "This is 2009, why do chickens still have feet, we have no use for chicken feet". *She says, "What, you expect them to fly all the time?" *After some consideration, I said, "Yes, we could implant magnets in the chickens and levitate them, that way the number of chickens would not be dependent on the area of the chicken factory but on the volume. *There would be a rain of feed from the top and a conveyor feeding legless chicks from the top. *As the chickens grew, they would sink to the bottom to be carried away, easy engineering problem. *God, chicken feet, what a bizarre idea". *She gave me a horrified look and walked away.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Maybe the reason would become abundantly clear if YOU were in a cage with 8 other people so cramped in that you couldn't even lift an arm, vying for good and water. I've seen it first hand, friend had an egg producing chicken farm. If you think that treating animals horrifically is a good thing, then you don't think.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Loog. I asked a local turkey farmer which was more stupid. A chicken or a turkey. he said "a turkey" I asked if there was anything stupider than the turkey, and he said... "Yeah. The guy raising 'em..- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yep, I seen some really weird stuff on turkey and chicken farms. |
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On Nov 30, 6:39*pm, Tim wrote:
On Nov 30, 9:43*am, Loogypicker wrote: I really doubt that if there is a God, he'd want us treating his creatures like this.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, Loog. Somebody made them to stand there, be cute, stupid and tastey. Actually, in the wild, fowl are quite smart. Again, selective breeding has done more than just make them bigger and up to weight earlier, they've bred the sense right out of them. |
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On Nov 30, 6:36*pm, Tim wrote:
On Nov 30, 8:57*am, I am Tosk wrote: In article b63abc79-a82f-4a95-be4d- , says... On Nov 29, 8:07*pm, Frogwatch wrote: ALL of my seven sisters have become veggie nut cases although fortunately their kids have not succumbed. *So, I was naturally skeptical to see a vague meat-looking waaaaay too symmetrical blob covered with gravy and dressing at Thanksgiving AND, there was an identical one next to it. *Yeah, sorta meat-like texture but no internal structure. *I just had to ask, Yup, it was Tofurkey and to be nice I had to take some. *If you smothered *it with enough gravy and had a few drinks, MAYBE you could accept it. Fortunately, my brother had made some smoked turkey and brother in law made some smoked mullet. Why would someone be branded a "nut case" because they've decided on a healthier lifestyle? Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some such. Why is that? And I LOVE smoked mullet. It's not so much being the veggie head that makes them "nut cases". It's the other aspects of their personalities that seems to go along with that lifestyle, at least up here in the North :) I had a friend that was a vegatarian. It was just crazy in her mid thirties hearing her try to tell us that "no animal in the world really eats meat, only us". What I said? What about Lions I asked? She explained to me that Lions don't eat meat, "they rip open the animals and only eat the stomach contents of grass and stuff"! That was about when I admitted I was an animal and a terrible person for eating meat, and went on with it...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Odd. Why would the nature programs show lions and other assorted big cats knawing on some *Yak leg bone? Maybe cheetahs etc only do that *for cleaner teeth??? BTW, My old cat used to almost swallow mice whole. Well, at least after a few hearty crunches- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Right up until my big old tom cat died, we'd receive a mouse or bird, dead, on our porch every once in awhile! He thought he was providing for the family, I guess. |
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On Nov 30, 5:26*pm, John H wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:53:45 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 4:38*pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:12:51 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 12:58*pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:31:09 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 11:59*am, John H wrote: On Nov 30, 10:43*am, Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 9:57*am, I am Tosk wrote: In article b63abc79-a82f-4a95-be4d- , says... On Nov 29, 8:07*pm, Frogwatch wrote: ALL of my seven sisters have become veggie nut cases although fortunately their kids have not succumbed. *So, I was naturally skeptical to see a vague meat-looking waaaaay too symmetrical blob covered with gravy and dressing at Thanksgiving AND, there was an identical one next to it. *Yeah, sorta meat-like texture but no internal structure. *I just had to ask, Yup, it was Tofurkey and to be nice I had to take some. *If you smothered *it with enough gravy and had a few drinks, MAYBE you could accept it. Fortunately, my brother had made some smoked turkey and brother in law made some smoked mullet. Why would someone be branded a "nut case" because they've decided on a healthier lifestyle? Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some such. Why is that? And I LOVE smoked mullet. It's not so much being the veggie head that makes them "nut cases". It's the other aspects of their personalities that seems to go along with that lifestyle, at least up here in the North :) I had a friend that was a vegatarian. It was just crazy in her mid thirties hearing her try to tell us that "no animal in the world really eats meat, only us". What I said? What about Lions I asked? She explained to me that Lions don't eat meat, "they rip open the animals and only eat the stomach contents of grass and stuff"! That was about when I admitted I was an animal and a terrible person for eating meat, and went on with it...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Most vegetarians aren't concerned with whether animals in the wild eat meat or not. Most are concerned with human consumption gone wild. What we have in this country now days is NOTHING short of animal factories. I've seen it first hand. Animals aren't treated with any regard to pain, living conditions or anything short of getting them fattened up and ready for sale. There is also the aspect about what those huge farms are doing to the environment, let alone eating diseased animals. Isn't this a lovely sight:http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming_cows.asp http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...eet_your_Meat/ I really doubt that if there is a God, he'd want us treating his creatures like this. Loogy, why jump on this as a political thing? I have a niece who is a veggan. She's also a conservative. She's also weird, which she wasn't until she started the veggan stuff. Nothing political about it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where did I say anything political? Gosh, perhaps I misinterpreted this line you wrote earlier: "Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand *someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some *such." Usually you use the term 'wingnuts' when you're referring to conservatives, i.e. 'right wingers' (as opposed to 'wrong wingers', I guess). I suppose you're using the term 'wingnuts' to refer to anyone who isn't a 'veggan' or other non-meat eater? -- John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm referring to a wingnut as what it is: From the Online Slang Dictionary: wingnut •someone lacking in mental abilities, uneducated, rather than mentally handicapped. he's a a real wingnut! From Merriam Webster: Main Entry: wing nut Function: noun Date: circa 1900 1 : a nut with wings that provide a grip for the thumb and finger 2 slang : a mentally deranged person 3 slang : one who advocates extreme measures or changes : radical So, the question would be asked, why are YOU making this political? Oh wow, I didn't even know such a dictionary existed. I must apologize then for thinking that you were turning an informative post into a political statement. You were actually just 'name-calling', like Harry does all the time. Sorry, I should have known that you weren't saying anything political. -- Apology accepted. Don't you think it would be appropriate for you to apologize for your name-calling? * * *:) -- John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What name did I call you, John? |
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On Nov 29, 8:30*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:07:27 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: ALL of my seven sisters have become veggie nut cases although fortunately their kids have not succumbed. *So, I was naturally skeptical to see a vague meat-looking waaaaay too symmetrical blob covered with gravy and dressing at Thanksgiving AND, there was an identical one next to it. *Yeah, sorta meat-like texture but no internal structure. *I just had to ask, Yup, it was Tofurkey and to be nice I had to take some. *If you smothered *it with enough gravy and had a few drinks, MAYBE you could accept it. Fortunately, my brother had made some smoked turkey and brother in law made some smoked mullet. I have never ever met a vegetarian who was NOT a nutcase. Yeah, people like Dr. Henry Heimlich, Carl Lewis (track star), Bob Barker (also a black belt), Dr. Benjamin Spock, Thomas Edison, Hank Aaron, Dr. Charles Attwood, and on and on, all "nutcases" huh? |
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On Dec 1, 9:54*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 31bc20b3-3d94-4611-ad7b-5743db087e21 @p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says... On Nov 30, 10:42 pm, thunder wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:26:16 -0800, Frogwatch wrote: Meat will be produced from modified zero-conciousness life forms ... for modified zero-consciousness life forms. I don't have any soft spot for chickens, damn stupid animals, but you might want to consider what these factory farms are doing to our health. We are running out of effective antibiotics due to resistant bacteria.. It's mostly due to the overuse of antibiotics on these factory farms. Growth hormones? What the hey, we need 400 lb. football players. The sewage, loaded down with said antibiotics, growth hormones, other drugs, and pesticides? No problem, it just adds flavoring to our drinking water. If you'll notice, those that are saying that all vegetarians are whack jobs just because they don't eat meat, are also the ones that are against just about any change. Hummm, would that be........ The Conservatives? Loogie? * Is this turning political again?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Why are you turning this into something political? I've said NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about politics. You and John, HAVE however. |
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On Dec 1, 9:53*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:26:16 -0800, Frogwatch wrote: *Meat will be produced from modified zero-conciousness life forms ... for modified zero-consciousness life forms. I don't have any soft spot for chickens, damn stupid animals, but you might want to consider what these factory farms are doing to our health.. * We are running out of effective antibiotics due to resistant bacteria. * It's mostly due to the overuse of antibiotics on these factory farms. * Growth hormones? *What the hey, we need 400 lb. football players. *The sewage, loaded down with said antibiotics, growth hormones, other drugs, and pesticides? *No problem, it just adds flavoring to our drinking water. So, how do you suggest we improve the situation without going to Tofu? People gotta' eat, right? Raise animals like they have for generations. Some cultures still are thankful for their bounty, and let their animals live in at least some sort of comfort. |
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In article 68a4946f-9593-4fa7-9b5e-1b9348955483
@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, says... On Nov 30, 7:02*pm, I am Tosk wrote: In article 24bf95f9-03f0-4a63-8a67-5f62a4922a83 @f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says... On Nov 30, 4:38*pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:12:51 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 12:58*pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:31:09 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 11:59*am, John H wrote: On Nov 30, 10:43*am, Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 9:57*am, I am Tosk wrote: In article b63abc79-a82f-4a95-be4d- , says... On Nov 29, 8:07*pm, Frogwatch wrote: ALL of my seven sisters have become veggie nut cases although fortunately their kids have not succumbed. *So, I was naturally skeptical to see a vague meat-looking waaaaay too symmetrical blob covered with gravy and dressing at Thanksgiving AND, there was an identical one next to it. *Yeah, sorta meat-like texture but no internal structure. *I just had to ask, Yup, it was Tofurkey and to be nice I had to take some. *If you smothered *it with enough gravy and had a few drinks, MAYBE you could accept it. Fortunately, my brother had made some smoked turkey and brother in law made some smoked mullet. Why would someone be branded a "nut case" because they've decided on a healthier lifestyle? Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some such. Why is that? And I LOVE smoked mullet. It's not so much being the veggie head that makes them "nut cases". It's the other aspects of their personalities that seems to go along with that lifestyle, at least up here in the North :) I had a friend that was a vegatarian. It was just crazy in her mid thirties hearing her try to tell us that "no animal in the world really eats meat, only us". What I said? What about Lions I asked? She explained to me that Lions don't eat meat, "they rip open the animals and only eat the stomach contents of grass and stuff"! That was about when I admitted I was an animal and a terrible person for eating meat, and went on with it...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Most vegetarians aren't concerned with whether animals in the wild eat meat or not. Most are concerned with human consumption gone wild. What we have in this country now days is NOTHING short of animal factories. I've seen it first hand. Animals aren't treated with any regard to pain, living conditions or anything short of getting them fattened up and ready for sale. There is also the aspect about what those huge farms are doing to the environment, let alone eating diseased animals. Isn't this a lovely sight:http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming_cows.asp http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...eet_your_Meat/ I really doubt that if there is a God, he'd want us treating his creatures like this. Loogy, why jump on this as a political thing? I have a niece who is a veggan. She's also a conservative. She's also weird, which she wasn't until she started the veggan stuff. Nothing political about it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where did I say anything political? Gosh, perhaps I misinterpreted this line you wrote earlier: "Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand *someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some *such." Usually you use the term 'wingnuts' when you're referring to conservatives, i.e. 'right wingers' (as opposed to 'wrong wingers', I guess). I suppose you're using the term 'wingnuts' to refer to anyone who isn't a 'veggan' or other non-meat eater? -- John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm referring to a wingnut as what it is: From the Online Slang Dictionary: wingnut ?someone lacking in mental abilities, uneducated, rather than mentally handicapped. he's a a real wingnut! From Merriam Webster: Main Entry: wing nut Function: noun Date: circa 1900 1 : a nut with wings that provide a grip for the thumb and finger 2 slang : a mentally deranged person 3 slang : one who advocates extreme measures or changes : radical So, the question would be asked, why are YOU making this political? Oh wow, I didn't even know such a dictionary existed. I must apologize then for thinking that you were turning an informative post into a political statement. You were actually just 'name-calling', like Harry does all the time. Sorry, I should have known that you weren't saying anything political. Not to mention trolling for the Christian response bringing God into it in such a manner. You shouldn't apologize, it was a troll... -- Apology accepted.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, it was a sincere comment. You believe in God, correct? Do you think He'd approve of someone treating animals as in the vid?Do Do you think Obama does?? How about Pelosi and Reid, they have a clean majority in the house and senate and a lock in the Whitehouse? It was another wrong winger slap at conservative values just like the comments above about being against all change.. Just political crap strewn into a non-political conversation... again... |
Tofurkey?
On Dec 1, 10:02*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 68a4946f-9593-4fa7-9b5e-1b9348955483 @r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, says... On Nov 30, 7:02*pm, I am Tosk wrote: In article 24bf95f9-03f0-4a63-8a67-5f62a4922a83 @f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says... On Nov 30, 4:38*pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:12:51 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 12:58*pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:31:09 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 11:59*am, John H wrote: On Nov 30, 10:43*am, Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 9:57*am, I am Tosk wrote: In article b63abc79-a82f-4a95-be4d- , says... On Nov 29, 8:07*pm, Frogwatch wrote: ALL of my seven sisters have become veggie nut cases although fortunately their kids have not succumbed. *So, I was naturally skeptical to see a vague meat-looking waaaaay too symmetrical blob covered with gravy and dressing at Thanksgiving AND, there was an identical one next to it. *Yeah, sorta meat-like texture but no internal structure. *I just had to ask, Yup, it was Tofurkey and to be nice I had to take some. *If you smothered *it with enough gravy and had a few drinks, MAYBE you could accept it. Fortunately, my brother had made some smoked turkey and brother in law made some smoked mullet. Why would someone be branded a "nut case" because they've decided on a healthier lifestyle? Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some such. Why is that? And I LOVE smoked mullet. It's not so much being the veggie head that makes them "nut cases". It's the other aspects of their personalities that seems to go along with that lifestyle, at least up here in the North :) I had a friend that was a vegatarian. It was just crazy in her mid thirties hearing her try to tell us that "no animal in the world really eats meat, only us". What I said? What about Lions I asked? She explained to me that Lions don't eat meat, "they rip open the animals and only eat the stomach contents of grass and stuff"! That was about when I admitted I was an animal and a terrible person for eating meat, and went on with it...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Most vegetarians aren't concerned with whether animals in the wild eat meat or not. Most are concerned with human consumption gone wild. What we have in this country now days is NOTHING short of animal factories. I've seen it first hand. Animals aren't treated with any regard to pain, living conditions or anything short of getting them fattened up and ready for sale. There is also the aspect about what those huge farms are doing to the environment, let alone eating diseased animals. Isn't this a lovely sight:http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming_cows.asp http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...eet_your_Meat/ I really doubt that if there is a God, he'd want us treating his creatures like this. Loogy, why jump on this as a political thing? I have a niece who is a veggan. She's also a conservative. She's also weird, which she wasn't until she started the veggan stuff. Nothing political about it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where did I say anything political? Gosh, perhaps I misinterpreted this line you wrote earlier: "Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand *someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some *such." Usually you use the term 'wingnuts' when you're referring to conservatives, i.e. 'right wingers' (as opposed to 'wrong wingers', I guess). I suppose you're using the term 'wingnuts' to refer to anyone who isn't a 'veggan' or other non-meat eater? -- John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm referring to a wingnut as what it is: From the Online Slang Dictionary: wingnut ?someone lacking in mental abilities, uneducated, rather than mentally handicapped. he's a a real wingnut! From Merriam Webster: Main Entry: wing nut Function: noun Date: circa 1900 1 : a nut with wings that provide a grip for the thumb and finger 2 slang : a mentally deranged person 3 slang : one who advocates extreme measures or changes : radical So, the question would be asked, why are YOU making this political? Oh wow, I didn't even know such a dictionary existed. I must apologize then for thinking that you were turning an informative post into a political statement. You were actually just 'name-calling', like Harry does all the time. Sorry, I should have known that you weren't saying anything political. Not to mention trolling for the Christian response bringing God into it in such a manner. You shouldn't apologize, it was a troll... -- Apology accepted.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, it was a sincere comment. You believe in God, correct? Do you think He'd approve of someone treating animals as in the vid?Do Do you think Obama does?? How about Pelosi and Reid, they have a clean majority in the house and senate and a lock in the Whitehouse? It was another wrong winger slap at conservative values just like the comments above about being against all change.. Just political crap strewn into a non-political conversation... again... Building I used to be in also housed a bio-entrepreneur who had a scheme to recycle chicken **** back into chicken feed. He said that chickens are really inefficient at converting their food into tissue so their waste has a lot of food value left in it. I told him his scheme sounded a lot like the biological version of perpetual motion. |
Tofurkey?
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:09:29 -0800, Frogwatch wrote:
Building I used to be in also housed a bio-entrepreneur who had a scheme to recycle chicken **** back into chicken feed. He said that chickens are really inefficient at converting their food into tissue so their waste has a lot of food value left in it. I told him his scheme sounded a lot like the biological version of perpetual motion. http://www.ianchadwick.com/forum/ind...-cows-and-bse/ |
Tofurkey?
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H the K (I post with a Mac) wrote:
jps wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:35:46 -0500, "H the K (I post with a Mac)" wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:43:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Steve B" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:07:27 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: ALL of my seven sisters have become veggie nut cases although fortunately their kids have not succumbed. So, I was naturally skeptical to see a vague meat-looking waaaaay too symmetrical blob covered with gravy and dressing at Thanksgiving AND, there was an identical one next to it. Yeah, sorta meat-like texture but no internal structure. I just had to ask, Yup, it was Tofurkey and to be nice I had to take some. If you smothered it with enough gravy and had a few drinks, MAYBE you could accept it. Fortunately, my brother had made some smoked turkey and brother in law made some smoked mullet. I have never ever met a vegetarian who was NOT a nutcase. If this is so good for you, why is it that the practitioners of it are so agressively adamant about it? It seems to radically change their internal chemistry, and dominoes into their personality. Some of these people who you would think eat nuts and berries turn into people with the personality of grizzly bears. Just MHO, YMMV Steve Sure thing... grease burgers are heart food. I went without eating beef for 15 years, not because of my health but because of the perversity of supporting a system that plunders our country's resources. Vegetarians, in my experience, are more likely to be aware of their own health and the health of the environment. No wonder the Bigot Steve doesn't understand them. I've never been a true vegetarian but I've cut way down on meat. Sushi is my favorite, but a burger or roast can't be beat sometimes. Sushi! Did you say sushi! :) We love fresh sushi. Got a left coast trip coming up soon and plan to satisfy that sushi appetite. We seem to be eating a lot more poached fish and baked and broiled chicken and turkey than we used to...probably go a week or even two without eating beef. That's good. Poached is awesome when done right. Got to be careful about fish selection w/overfishing. Good news for some species of salmon out here that are making comebacks. Do you prep a sauce for fish or seaon in any way when poaching? My wife came up with a really nice sauce for some poached trout we had last week. Dunno if it was her recipe or a swipe. Will find out. I called her at work, it is a sauce she swiped, it is call "Catsup". When she gets home I will post the recipe. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Tofurkey?
On Dec 1, 10:25*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 20f20054-9621-4ef8-b42b-679f5b9de800 @l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 1, 9:53*am, I am Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:26:16 -0800, Frogwatch wrote: *Meat will be produced from modified zero-conciousness life forms ... for modified zero-consciousness life forms. I don't have any soft spot for chickens, damn stupid animals, but you might want to consider what these factory farms are doing to our health. * We are running out of effective antibiotics due to resistant bacteria. * It's mostly due to the overuse of antibiotics on these factory farms. * Growth hormones? *What the hey, we need 400 lb. football players. *The sewage, loaded down with said antibiotics, growth hormones, other drugs, and pesticides? *No problem, it just adds flavoring to our drinking water. So, how do you suggest we improve the situation without going to Tofu? People gotta' eat, right? Raise animals like they have for generations. Some cultures still are thankful for their bounty, and let their animals live in at least some sort of comfort. Who gets to give up their land for that? How much would it cost in the long run, could we afford it?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Supply and demand, it's the capitalist's mantra! If you want to grow beef cattle, you pay the price for the land. If you want to eat beef, you pay the price at the grocery store. |
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On Dec 1, 10:09*am, Frogwatch wrote:
On Dec 1, 10:02*am, I am Tosk wrote: In article 68a4946f-9593-4fa7-9b5e-1b9348955483 @r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, says... On Nov 30, 7:02*pm, I am Tosk wrote: In article 24bf95f9-03f0-4a63-8a67-5f62a4922a83 @f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says... On Nov 30, 4:38*pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:12:51 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 12:58*pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:31:09 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 11:59*am, John H wrote: On Nov 30, 10:43*am, Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 30, 9:57*am, I am Tosk wrote: In article b63abc79-a82f-4a95-be4d- , says... On Nov 29, 8:07*pm, Frogwatch wrote: ALL of my seven sisters have become veggie nut cases although fortunately their kids have not succumbed. *So, I was naturally skeptical to see a vague meat-looking waaaaay too symmetrical blob covered with gravy and dressing at Thanksgiving AND, there was an identical one next to it. *Yeah, sorta meat-like texture but no internal structure. *I just had to ask, Yup, it was Tofurkey and to be nice I had to take some. *If you smothered *it with enough gravy and had a few drinks, MAYBE you could accept it. Fortunately, my brother had made some smoked turkey and brother in law made some smoked mullet. Why would someone be branded a "nut case" because they've decided on a healthier lifestyle? Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some such. Why is that? And I LOVE smoked mullet. It's not so much being the veggie head that makes them "nut cases". It's the other aspects of their personalities that seems to go along with that lifestyle, at least up here in the North :) I had a friend that was a vegatarian. It was just crazy in her mid thirties hearing her try to tell us that "no animal in the world really eats meat, only us". What I said? What about Lions I asked? She explained to me that Lions don't eat meat, "they rip open the animals and only eat the stomach contents of grass and stuff"! That was about when I admitted I was an animal and a terrible person for eating meat, and went on with it...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Most vegetarians aren't concerned with whether animals in the wild eat meat or not. Most are concerned with human consumption gone wild. What we have in this country now days is NOTHING short of animal factories. I've seen it first hand. Animals aren't treated with any regard to pain, living conditions or anything short of getting them fattened up and ready for sale. There is also the aspect about what those huge farms are doing to the environment, let alone eating diseased animals. Isn't this a lovely sight:http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming_cows.asp http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...eet_your_Meat/ I really doubt that if there is a God, he'd want us treating his creatures like this. Loogy, why jump on this as a political thing? I have a niece who is a veggan. She's also a conservative. She's also weird, which she wasn't until she started the veggan stuff. Nothing political about it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where did I say anything political? Gosh, perhaps I misinterpreted this line you wrote earlier: "Seems as though you wingnuts instantly brand *someone that doesn't live your exact lifestyle as nutcases or some *such." Usually you use the term 'wingnuts' when you're referring to conservatives, i.e. 'right wingers' (as opposed to 'wrong wingers', I guess). I suppose you're using the term 'wingnuts' to refer to anyone who isn't a 'veggan' or other non-meat eater? -- John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm referring to a wingnut as what it is: From the Online Slang Dictionary: wingnut ?someone lacking in mental abilities, uneducated, rather than mentally handicapped. he's a a real wingnut! From Merriam Webster: Main Entry: wing nut Function: noun Date: circa 1900 1 : a nut with wings that provide a grip for the thumb and finger 2 slang : a mentally deranged person 3 slang : one who advocates extreme measures or changes : radical So, the question would be asked, why are YOU making this political? Oh wow, I didn't even know such a dictionary existed. I must apologize then for thinking that you were turning an informative post into a political statement. You were actually just 'name-calling', like Harry does all the time. Sorry, I should have known that you weren't saying anything political. Not to mention trolling for the Christian response bringing God into it in such a manner. You shouldn't apologize, it was a troll... -- Apology accepted.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, it was a sincere comment. You believe in God, correct? Do you think He'd approve of someone treating animals as in the vid?Do Do you think Obama does?? How about Pelosi and Reid, they have a clean majority in the house and senate and a lock in the Whitehouse? It was another wrong winger slap at conservative values just like the comments above about being against all change.. Just political crap strewn into a non-political conversation... again... Building I used to be in also housed a bio-entrepreneur who had a scheme to recycle chicken **** back into chicken feed. *He said that chickens are really inefficient at converting their food into tissue so their waste has a lot of food value left in it. *I told him his scheme sounded a lot like the biological version of perpetual motion.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - They are very inefficient. In Florida, a lot of chicken farmers (layers) raise some pigs under the cages to eat the crap. Then some wash it out into a **** lagoon, and raise gators in there that eat the dead chickens. There's many many chickens that day every day in those conditions. |
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