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On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:13:10 -0800, "CalifBill"
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:46:15 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:21:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:



It's a matter of policy vs. specific women's health. Most places
are
ignoring the recommendations, basically saying that it should be
up to
the
woman to decide if it's worth the risk of false positives, which
can lead
to
rather invasive investigations.

Don't think it's policy at all, since most of the medical voices
I've
heard reject these findings out of hand.
From what I've gathered, it's just plain stupid.
Almost like saying get rid of airbags because so few people are
saved
by them.
Or don't change the Pinto gas tank bracket because settling with
the
number of people killed by a punctured gas tank will cost less
than
the brackets.
What I haven't seen is any numbers on how many cases of breast
cancer
are caused by the accumulated radiation exposure of mammographies.
They could make a case with that. They probably don't have the
numbers.
But the whole thing sounds real half-assed, and plays right into
the
hands of those who have been screaming "Rationing is coming!"
Sure makes it look like they might have a case for that.

--Vic

Don't understand their advice. My partner's wife was just
diagnosed
and went though a mastectomy. She's in her early 40's.

If they've got a case to be made of not subjecting women to
unnecessary radiation, seems like they'd have been smart to put
the
data together in a representative form "before" they made this
announcement?

Cart, horse?

Nope, because then they can state the women is too old for surgery.
Save
lots of money we do not have.

Who is they?

The boogie man? The government? Insurance companies? HMOs?

The people who say that mammograms should not start until 50.
Remember that was a government pronouncement. They realize there is
not enough money to pay for the House bill.

The House and Senate bills save billions over the long-term according
the CBO. The latter over a trillion.

I don't believe the mammogram announcement is political at all. The
people who did it are way too professional, but if nothing else the
announcement was badly timed and poorly executed.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Where does the bill save money? And from what I here, the CBO says the
costs are very high.

Then you're not reading the whole report. It's projected to save $125B
over the short term and near $1T over a longer term.

--
Nom=de=Plume


I read the report. Says there will be a reduction in the deficit because
of the healthcare bill. Why? Because there will be more revenue coming
in from the payees than is going to be spent. Does not say healthcare is
going to cost less, just says the government will be getting more money.

Thus, a savings and deficit reduction. Well, ok. Unless you'd prefer the
status quo...
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Nom=de=Plume


Take in more money than paid out. Works well for a while, until the people
providing medical care decide they need to be paid.

Another 'Bama 'Cost Saving'
 

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On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:13:10 -0800, "CalifBill"
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"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:46:15 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:21:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:



It's a matter of policy vs. specific women's health. Most places
are
ignoring the recommendations, basically saying that it should be
up to
the
woman to decide if it's worth the risk of false positives, which
can lead
to
rather invasive investigations.

Don't think it's policy at all, since most of the medical voices
I've
heard reject these findings out of hand.
From what I've gathered, it's just plain stupid.
Almost like saying get rid of airbags because so few people are
saved
by them.
Or don't change the Pinto gas tank bracket because settling with
the
number of people killed by a punctured gas tank will cost less
than
the brackets.
What I haven't seen is any numbers on how many cases of breast
cancer
are caused by the accumulated radiation exposure of
mammographies.
They could make a case with that. They probably don't have the
numbers.
But the whole thing sounds real half-assed, and plays right into
the
hands of those who have been screaming "Rationing is coming!"
Sure makes it look like they might have a case for that.

--Vic

Don't understand their advice. My partner's wife was just
diagnosed
and went though a mastectomy. She's in her early 40's.

If they've got a case to be made of not subjecting women to
unnecessary radiation, seems like they'd have been smart to put
the
data together in a representative form "before" they made this
announcement?

Cart, horse?

Nope, because then they can state the women is too old for surgery.
Save
lots of money we do not have.

Who is they?

The boogie man? The government? Insurance companies? HMOs?

The people who say that mammograms should not start until 50.
Remember that was a government pronouncement. They realize there is
not enough money to pay for the House bill.

The House and Senate bills save billions over the long-term according
the CBO. The latter over a trillion.

I don't believe the mammogram announcement is political at all. The
people who did it are way too professional, but if nothing else the
announcement was badly timed and poorly executed.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Where does the bill save money? And from what I here, the CBO says
the costs are very high.

Then you're not reading the whole report. It's projected to save $125B
over the short term and near $1T over a longer term.

--
Nom=de=Plume


I read the report. Says there will be a reduction in the deficit
because of the healthcare bill. Why? Because there will be more
revenue coming in from the payees than is going to be spent. Does not
say healthcare is going to cost less, just says the government will be
getting more money.

Thus, a savings and deficit reduction. Well, ok. Unless you'd prefer the
status quo...
--
Nom=de=Plume


Take in more money than paid out. Works well for a while, until the
people providing medical care decide they need to be paid.

huh?? Not sure where you're getting this. So, you're ok with the status quo?
Is that what you're saying?

--
Nom=de=Plume

Another 'Bama 'Cost Saving'
 

nom=de=plume wrote:




The people who say that mammograms should not start until 50.
Remember that was a government pronouncement. They realize there is
not enough money to pay for the House bill.
The House and Senate bills save billions over the long-term according
the CBO. The latter over a trillion.

I don't believe the mammogram announcement is political at all. The
people who did it are way too professional, but if nothing else the
announcement was badly timed and poorly executed.

--
Nom=de=Plume
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Nom=de=Plume

I read the report. Says there will be a reduction in the deficit
because of the healthcare bill. Why? Because there will be more
revenue coming in from the payees than is going to be spent. Does not
say healthcare is going to cost less, just says the government will be
getting more money.
Thus, a savings and deficit reduction. Well, ok. Unless you'd prefer the
status quo...
--
Nom=de=Plume


I should think that doing nothing is better than adopting any plan that
has been put forth so far. That is not to say that doing nothing is
acceptable. You seem to think doing anything is better than doing
nothing. Funny, that is exactly what Mr Obama says. You are a lemming
that is being led to the sea to be drowned by your beloved pied piper.
Break ranks and do some independent thinking for a change.