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Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
Please say it often.
-- John H |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
JohnH, wrote:
Please say it often. I agree, but the libs are going to be all over you for bringing religion into a public forum. Religion is only acceptable in public if it is the Muslim or climate change religion. |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
JohnH, wrote:
Please say it often. Short but sweet. I love it. Would you like to lead us in morming prayers? |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
"JohnH," wrote in message
... Please say it often. -- John H Wow... it all reduces to praying. Well, that's better than a drunken rant I guess. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
nom=de=plume wrote:
"JohnH," wrote in message ... Please say it often. -- John H Wow... it all reduces to praying. Well, that's better than a drunken rant I guess. After you say the Psalm 109:8. You can then say the Jewish pray from Fiddler on the Roof. "May the lord bless obama and keep him far away. " |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:02:28 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "JohnH," wrote in message ... Please say it often. -- John H Wow... it all reduces to praying. Well, that's better than a drunken rant I guess. After you say the Psalm 109:8. You can then say the Jewish pray from Fiddler on the Roof. "May the lord bless obama and keep him far away. " Oh, you think Obama is a Czar? The royal family that rules the country? The Iraqis would've been wise to do the same for Bush and Cheney (Rasputin). |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
JohnH, wrote:
Please say it often. May his days be few; may another take his office! Well put. 'bama seems to look worried in going to Asia Pac Rim. Likely the people who hold much of the US government debt are going to set the 'bama straight on what will happen if Congress and 'bama don't get their fiscal house in order. That is cut the deficit and debt spending or else. Want a trade war? China has over $2 trillion of USDs on cash, more on debt and deficit trade. 'bama better not try to get tough with them or they might decide to squish the whole USD to 10 cents on the dollar. 'bama isn't holding any cards in this round. He is a debtor hoping for a credit extention as no one is lending to the US and Canadian governments. |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
Keith Nuttle wrote:
JohnH, wrote: Please say it often. I agree, but the libs are going to be all over you for bringing religion into a public forum. Religion is only acceptable in public if it is the Muslim or climate change religion. Think, Obama and the democratic congress accomplished what the Muslim Taliban cound not. |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
"Canuck57" wrote in message
... Keith Nuttle wrote: JohnH, wrote: Please say it often. I agree, but the libs are going to be all over you for bringing religion into a public forum. Religion is only acceptable in public if it is the Muslim or climate change religion. Think, Obama and the democratic congress accomplished what the Muslim Taliban cound not. You sound like an expert in what the Taliban want to accomplish. Please, enlighten us. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "JohnH," wrote in message ... Please say it often. -- John H Wow... it all reduces to praying. Well, that's better than a drunken rant I guess. After you say the Psalm 109:8. You can then say the Jewish pray from Fiddler on the Roof. "May the lord bless obama and keep him far away. " Keith, I truly have no idea what point you're trying to make. So, you don't like Obama. Well, unfortunately for you, the majority of the people voted for him. Feel free to start a petition drive to have him impeached if you can't wait until 2012 to vote. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
"Canuck57" wrote in message
... JohnH, wrote: Please say it often. May his days be few; may another take his office! Well put. 'bama seems to look worried in going to Asia Pac Rim. Likely the people who hold much of the US government debt are going to set the 'bama straight on what will happen if Congress and 'bama don't get their fiscal house in order. That is cut the deficit and debt spending or else. Want a trade war? China has over $2 trillion of USDs on cash, more on debt and deficit trade. 'bama better not try to get tough with them or they might decide to squish the whole USD to 10 cents on the dollar. 'bama isn't holding any cards in this round. He is a debtor hoping for a credit extention as no one is lending to the US and Canadian governments. You really don't know much about economics or the Chinese. Fortunately, it doesn't matter much what you know or don't know. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
On Nov 15, 1:23*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... Keith Nuttle wrote: JohnH, wrote: Please say it often. I agree, but the libs are going to be all over you for bringing religion into a public forum. Religion is only acceptable in public if it is the Muslim or climate change religion. Think, Obama and the democratic congress accomplished what the Muslim Taliban cound not. You sound like an expert in what the Taliban want to accomplish. Please, enlighten us. -- Nom=de=Plume Perhaps your own words will help: "Rob, Rob.... I know it's hard for you sometimes, but it was a joke. -- Nom=de=Plume " But maybe not. |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:13:09 -0800 (PST), TopBassDog
wrote: On Nov 15, 1:23*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... Keith Nuttle wrote: JohnH, wrote: Please say it often. I agree, but the libs are going to be all over you for bringing religion into a public forum. Religion is only acceptable in public if it is the Muslim or climate change religion. Think, Obama and the democratic congress accomplished what the Muslim Taliban cound not. You sound like an expert in what the Taliban want to accomplish. Please, enlighten us. -- Nom=de=Plume Perhaps your own words will help: "Rob, Rob.... I know it's hard for you sometimes, but it was a joke. Note number 4. **************************************** Main Entry: vac·u·ous Pronunciation: \?va-ky?-w?s\ Function: adjective Etymology: Latin vacuus Date: circa 1660 1 : emptied of or lacking content 2 : marked by lack of ideas or intelligence : stupid, inane a vacuous mind a vacuous movie 3 : devoid of serious occupation : idle synonyms see empty 4 : uttered by nom=de=plum in response to anything and everything — vac·u·ous·ly adverb — vac·u·ous·ness noun ************************************ -- John H |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:25:28 -0500, Jim wrote:
JohnH, wrote: Please say it often. Short but sweet. I love it. Would you like to lead us in morming prayers? With music-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEOc5G7jO4c But better yet, you can join a group for daily inspiration: http://www.littleprayerbox.com/events/profile/12 -- John H |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... JohnH, wrote: Please say it often. May his days be few; may another take his office! Well put. 'bama seems to look worried in going to Asia Pac Rim. Likely the people who hold much of the US government debt are going to set the 'bama straight on what will happen if Congress and 'bama don't get their fiscal house in order. That is cut the deficit and debt spending or else. Want a trade war? China has over $2 trillion of USDs on cash, more on debt and deficit trade. 'bama better not try to get tough with them or they might decide to squish the whole USD to 10 cents on the dollar. 'bama isn't holding any cards in this round. He is a debtor hoping for a credit extention as no one is lending to the US and Canadian governments. You really don't know much about economics or the Chinese. Fortunately, it doesn't matter much what you know or don't know. Correct. What we know maters not to the big picture. You and I have zero influence. But I follow it for my own reasons, buy and hold investors get squshed like bugs for events like these. Foe example, acorrect observation would have had you mostly in cash in the fall of 2008. Which means you wouldn't have taken the loses most did. Well this time, the last place you want to be is bonds, debt, GIC, CD, money market prefering hard assets in oil, or even bars of gold. Me, I treat the price of a barrel of oil as a benchmark. Now that China makes and sells more autos than the US, oil has a future and will price itself independantly of any one currency. Including a depreciating USD. |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... JohnH, wrote: Please say it often. And right after that, chant, "PRESIDENT BIDEN, PRESIDENT BIDEN, PRESIDENT BIDEN", until you puke. |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
"TopBassDog" wrote in message
... On Nov 15, 1:23 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... Keith Nuttle wrote: JohnH, wrote: Please say it often. I agree, but the libs are going to be all over you for bringing religion into a public forum. Religion is only acceptable in public if it is the Muslim or climate change religion. Think, Obama and the democratic congress accomplished what the Muslim Taliban cound not. You sound like an expert in what the Taliban want to accomplish. Please, enlighten us. -- Nom=de=Plume Perhaps your own words will help: "Rob, Rob.... I know it's hard for you sometimes, but it was a joke. So, what you're saying is that Rob can't speak for himself. Unless of course you guys are just sockpuppets of each other. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
On 11/15/09 1:05 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Nov 15, 1:23 am, wrote: wrote in message ... Keith Nuttle wrote: JohnH, wrote: Please say it often. I agree, but the libs are going to be all over you for bringing religion into a public forum. Religion is only acceptable in public if it is the Muslim or climate change religion. Think, Obama and the democratic congress accomplished what the Muslim Taliban cound not. You sound like an expert in what the Taliban want to accomplish. Please, enlighten us. -- Nom=de=Plume Perhaps your own words will help: "Rob, Rob.... I know it's hard for you sometimes, but it was a joke. So, what you're saying is that Rob can't speak for himself. Unless of course you guys are just sockpuppets of each other. -- Nom=de=Plume Bingo! -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
"Canuck57" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... JohnH, wrote: Please say it often. May his days be few; may another take his office! Well put. 'bama seems to look worried in going to Asia Pac Rim. Likely the people who hold much of the US government debt are going to set the 'bama straight on what will happen if Congress and 'bama don't get their fiscal house in order. That is cut the deficit and debt spending or else. Want a trade war? China has over $2 trillion of USDs on cash, more on debt and deficit trade. 'bama better not try to get tough with them or they might decide to squish the whole USD to 10 cents on the dollar. 'bama isn't holding any cards in this round. He is a debtor hoping for a credit extention as no one is lending to the US and Canadian governments. You really don't know much about economics or the Chinese. Fortunately, it doesn't matter much what you know or don't know. Correct. What we know maters not to the big picture. You and I have zero influence. The economics are actually pretty straight-forward. Basically, we need each other. The Chinese could decide to cash out and that would hurt the US quite badly, but their economy would be hurt just as much if not more so. But I follow it for my own reasons, buy and hold investors get squshed like bugs for events like these. Foe example, acorrect observation would have had you mostly in cash in the fall of 2008. Which means you wouldn't have taken the loses most did. Well, hindsight is usually pretty accurate, but the reality is that a well-diversified portfolio is almost as good and requires no magic. Greenspan himself made a near-identical comment somewhat recently. Well this time, the last place you want to be is bonds, debt, GIC, CD, money market prefering hard assets in oil, or even bars of gold. Me, I treat the price of a barrel of oil as a benchmark. Now that China makes and sells more autos than the US, oil has a future and will price itself independantly of any one currency. Including a depreciating USD. Precious metals is not a great long-term investment. You aren't able to take advantage of market fluctuations. But, to each his own. If you think it's safe and you can live with the historically poor performance, that's certainly your decision. Stocks will continue to do well... the more diversificiation you have, the better off you'll be. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
JohnH, wrote:
Please say it often. Please stop changing your identity so your mindless posts won't show up on my computer. |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
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Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
On 11/15/09 1:19 PM, Jim wrote:
JohnH, wrote: Please say it often. Please stop changing your identity so your mindless posts won't show up on my computer. But...that's his only way of getting noticed here. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:19:21 -0800, Jim wrote:
JohnH, wrote: Please say it often. Please stop changing your identity so your mindless posts won't show up on my computer. I don't recall you whining to HK during any of his myriad identity changes. Oh, maybe you consider his posts *mindfull*. I see. -- John H |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
"Jim" wrote in message
m... JohnH, wrote: Please say it often. Please stop changing your identity so your mindless posts won't show up on my computer. It's totally childish... -- Nom=de=Plume |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "JohnH," wrote in message ... Please say it often. -- John H Wow... it all reduces to praying. Well, that's better than a drunken rant I guess. After you say the Psalm 109:8. You can then say the Jewish pray from Fiddler on the Roof. "May the lord bless obama and keep him far away. " Keith, I truly have no idea what point you're trying to make. So, you don't like Obama. Well, unfortunately for you, the majority of the people voted for him. Feel free to start a petition drive to have him impeached if you can't wait until 2012 to vote. The next chance is 2010. Congress and the senate could have enough change to put a leash on Obama until 2012. |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
nom=de=plume wrote:
You really don't know much about economics or the Chinese. Fortunately, it doesn't matter much what you know or don't know. Correct. What we know maters not to the big picture. You and I have zero influence. The economics are actually pretty straight-forward. Basically, we need each other. The Chinese could decide to cash out and that would hurt the US quite badly, but their economy would be hurt just as much if not more so. Quite true. Having the US shut down their buying for a deaper depression does not help China. But also note, China's economy is going to overtake the US one shortly. They already buy more cars. Tis puts China in a great position at the barganing table. For example, if Obama gets anti-free trade and wants to unfairly tax them, they can just say then we don't need USDs and the BS debt game is over. Right now the US is down 3 pawns, a knight and a rook and not looking pretty. But I follow it for my own reasons, buy and hold investors get squshed like bugs for events like these. Foe example, acorrect observation would have had you mostly in cash in the fall of 2008. Which means you wouldn't have taken the loses most did. Well, hindsight is usually pretty accurate, but the reality is that a well-diversified portfolio is almost as good and requires no magic. Greenspan himself made a near-identical comment somewhat recently. Hindsight? My ass. If you had your eyes open you would have seen this depression a coming. I went into the fall of 2008 with 90% cash and am up 30+% on my US accounts. Luck? Nope. I saw the yeild rates drop below inflation, liquidated all lending and banks and looked for nice exists for the rest. In December 2008 and later I started buy back, very selectively. But admit, I didn't expect the fall out to be as deap and in non-US funds didn't cash up as much as I should have. Well this time, the last place you want to be is bonds, debt, GIC, CD, money market prefering hard assets in oil, or even bars of gold. Me, I treat the price of a barrel of oil as a benchmark. Now that China makes and sells more autos than the US, oil has a future and will price itself independantly of any one currency. Including a depreciating USD. Precious metals is not a great long-term investment. You aren't able to take advantage of market fluctuations. But, to each his own. If you think it's safe and you can live with the historically poor performance, that's certainly your decision. Stocks will continue to do well... the more diversificiation you have, the better off you'll be. Maybe not, but the TCK-B I bought in January sure turned a nice profit. I have no intention of holding it forever, in fact I have already taken 1/2 off the table. But what you say is true of any stock, it is maybe 10-30 days in a 5 or 10 year cycle that they gets 80% of their gains. The rest being ho-hum and for the dividends. And most companies don't pay enough of those. I don't believe in buy/hold. I actively manage. In todays environment you actively manage or get cleaned. I want double digit returns or I side line the cash. Not worth the risk to invest in a diaper wipe company at 2% to find they are cooking the books. Oil will be the next big move. Say next summer, go over $100/barrel to stay up above $100 / barrel. Might even go much higher. I figure maybe $150 before a break. Possibly $200 if Obama ticks off China. |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
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Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:00:25 -0500, NowNow wrote:
In article , says... On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:19:21 -0800, Jim wrote: JohnH, wrote: Please say it often. Please stop changing your identity so your mindless posts won't show up on my computer. I don't recall you whining to HK during any of his myriad identity changes. Oh, maybe you consider his posts *mindfull*. I see. Why do you keep changing your's John? Surely your not as narcissistic as Harry are you? To mess with Jim's mind. How's that for honesty? Hopefully it doesn't mess with your mind too much. Who knows how narcissistic I am? Only the Shadow knows. If you'd like to say I'm exactly like Harry, go ahead and do so. I couldn't care less. -- John H |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
"Canuck57" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "Keith Nuttle" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "JohnH," wrote in message ... Please say it often. -- John H Wow... it all reduces to praying. Well, that's better than a drunken rant I guess. After you say the Psalm 109:8. You can then say the Jewish pray from Fiddler on the Roof. "May the lord bless obama and keep him far away. " Keith, I truly have no idea what point you're trying to make. So, you don't like Obama. Well, unfortunately for you, the majority of the people voted for him. Feel free to start a petition drive to have him impeached if you can't wait until 2012 to vote. The next chance is 2010. Congress and the senate could have enough change to put a leash on Obama until 2012. I suppose it's possible, although unlikely, given how the 23rd and the 10th (Cal) districts voted. Off-year elections are hard to analyze. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
"Canuck57" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: You really don't know much about economics or the Chinese. Fortunately, it doesn't matter much what you know or don't know. Correct. What we know maters not to the big picture. You and I have zero influence. The economics are actually pretty straight-forward. Basically, we need each other. The Chinese could decide to cash out and that would hurt the US quite badly, but their economy would be hurt just as much if not more so. Quite true. Having the US shut down their buying for a deaper depression does not help China. But also note, China's economy is going to overtake the US one shortly. They already buy more cars. Tis puts China in a great position at the barganing table. For example, if Obama gets anti-free trade and wants to unfairly tax them, they can just say then we don't need USDs and the BS debt game is over. Right now the US is down 3 pawns, a knight and a rook and not looking pretty. But I follow it for my own reasons, buy and hold investors get squshed like bugs for events like these. Foe example, acorrect observation would have had you mostly in cash in the fall of 2008. Which means you wouldn't have taken the loses most did. Well, hindsight is usually pretty accurate, but the reality is that a well-diversified portfolio is almost as good and requires no magic. Greenspan himself made a near-identical comment somewhat recently. Hindsight? My ass. If you had your eyes open you would have seen this depression a coming. I went into the fall of 2008 with 90% cash and am up 30+% on my US accounts. Luck? Nope. I saw the yeild rates drop below inflation, liquidated all lending and banks and looked for nice exists for the rest. In December 2008 and later I started buy back, very selectively. But admit, I didn't expect the fall out to be as deap and in non-US funds didn't cash up as much as I should have. Well this time, the last place you want to be is bonds, debt, GIC, CD, money market prefering hard assets in oil, or even bars of gold. Me, I treat the price of a barrel of oil as a benchmark. Now that China makes and sells more autos than the US, oil has a future and will price itself independantly of any one currency. Including a depreciating USD. Precious metals is not a great long-term investment. You aren't able to take advantage of market fluctuations. But, to each his own. If you think it's safe and you can live with the historically poor performance, that's certainly your decision. Stocks will continue to do well... the more diversificiation you have, the better off you'll be. Maybe not, but the TCK-B I bought in January sure turned a nice profit. I have no intention of holding it forever, in fact I have already taken 1/2 off the table. But what you say is true of any stock, it is maybe 10-30 days in a 5 or 10 year cycle that they gets 80% of their gains. The rest being ho-hum and for the dividends. And most companies don't pay enough of those. I had a friend who was very actively watching and betting (up and down) on one high tech company... Sun Microsystems. He made lots of money timing the stock fluctuations, but it took a lot of work too. I'm guessing he made $500K over two years. Then, he got out. Now all his money is quite diversified nationally and internationally. I don't believe in buy/hold. I actively manage. In todays environment you actively manage or get cleaned. I want double digit returns or I side line the cash. Not worth the risk to invest in a diaper wipe company at 2% to find they are cooking the books. I generally buy/hold, but not individual stocks. I don't have the time to get to that granularity. As Alan Greenspan said in an interview a couple of years ago, I'm "fully diversified." Oil will be the next big move. Say next summer, go over $100/barrel to stay up above $100 / barrel. Might even go much higher. I figure maybe $150 before a break. Possibly $200 if Obama ticks off China. I think it's a good bet that oil prices will rise over the long term. I think $150 is quite reasonable. I don't think China has much say in the price, other than the obvious... they want as much as they can get. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
"Just John" wrote in message
... On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:00:25 -0500, NowNow wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:19:21 -0800, Jim wrote: JohnH, wrote: Please say it often. Please stop changing your identity so your mindless posts won't show up on my computer. I don't recall you whining to HK during any of his myriad identity changes. Oh, maybe you consider his posts *mindfull*. I see. Why do you keep changing your's John? Surely your not as narcissistic as Harry are you? To mess with Jim's mind. How's that for honesty? Hopefully it doesn't mess with your mind too much. Who knows how narcissistic I am? Only the Shadow knows. If you'd like to say I'm exactly like Harry, go ahead and do so. I couldn't care less. -- John H Yes. Well, honesty counts for something. In this case honest childishness. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:39:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Keith Nuttle" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "JohnH," wrote in message ... Please say it often. -- John H Wow... it all reduces to praying. Well, that's better than a drunken rant I guess. After you say the Psalm 109:8. You can then say the Jewish pray from Fiddler on the Roof. "May the lord bless obama and keep him far away. " Keith, I truly have no idea what point you're trying to make. So, you don't like Obama. Well, unfortunately for you, the majority of the people voted for him. Feel free to start a petition drive to have him impeached if you can't wait until 2012 to vote. The next chance is 2010. Congress and the senate could have enough change to put a leash on Obama until 2012. I suppose it's possible, although unlikely, given how the 23rd and the 10th (Cal) districts voted. Off-year elections are hard to analyze. Not even the most optimistic Republican pundits are predicting a side change. By the time 2012 rolls around, Republicans will be back on the outs for their petulant behavior. |
Psalm 109:8 A prayer for 'Bama
In article ,
says... "Just John" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:00:25 -0500, NowNow wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:19:21 -0800, Jim wrote: JohnH, wrote: Please say it often. Please stop changing your identity so your mindless posts won't show up on my computer. I don't recall you whining to HK during any of his myriad identity changes. Oh, maybe you consider his posts *mindfull*. I see. Why do you keep changing your's John? Surely your not as narcissistic as Harry are you? To mess with Jim's mind. How's that for honesty? Hopefully it doesn't mess with your mind too much. Who knows how narcissistic I am? Only the Shadow knows. If you'd like to say I'm exactly like Harry, go ahead and do so. I couldn't care less. -- John H Yes. Well, honesty counts for something. In this case honest childishness. Please don't quote him. Many of us don't want to see the unhinged right wing speak. -- WAFA the newsgroup liar free! |
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