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... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:52:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:00:24 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 4, 10:24 pm, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:16:32 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:h1o2f55iekdj4hjoouf9bk3vm2b3ncqh17@4a x.com... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:11:04 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: My home (Florida) has been completely ruined by tourism whereas if our economy had been built on energy we'd still have our beaches and salt marshes. Don't be so sure Have you heard about "Cape Wind"? Another example of envimoronmentalist hyprocrisy. http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer Globe editorials in support. http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gree...26/2_tribes_ob... http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...torials/articl... Fortunately, it looks like it's going to get done. http://www.capewind.org/news1018.htm If Ted Kennedy were alive, it wouldn't be happening. :) There are proposals to turn old near shore drilling platforms in the Gulf of MX in to Wind Turbine supports. The local indians going to object to that also? Dunno... Neighbor, golf and poker buddy, in the energy business, says that the wind turbines are better at self destructing than they are at generating power. The asian and american manufacturers all have the same problems. The can't stop the blades from spinning out of control and ripping the whole unit apart.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, there's places right here in the U.S. that have thousands upon thousands of operational wind turbines. Gosh, with your vast knowledge, it shouldn't be hard for you to show such a place. I'd be very interested. There are something like 4000 near Palm Springs. There are nearly 5000 at Altamont Pass. Did they add a few thousand since July? http://www.awea.org/projects/Projects.aspx?s=California What's that got to do with your question of how many and where? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Loogypicker" wrote in message ... On Nov 4, 10:24 pm, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:16:32 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:h1o2f55iekdj4hjoouf9bk3vm2b3ncqh17@4a x.com... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:11:04 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: My home (Florida) has been completely ruined by tourism whereas if our economy had been built on energy we'd still have our beaches and salt marshes. Don't be so sure Have you heard about "Cape Wind"? Another example of envimoronmentalist hyprocrisy. http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer Globe editorials in support. http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gree...26/2_tribes_ob... http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...torials/articl... Fortunately, it looks like it's going to get done. http://www.capewind.org/news1018.htm If Ted Kennedy were alive, it wouldn't be happening. :) There are proposals to turn old near shore drilling platforms in the Gulf of MX in to Wind Turbine supports. The local indians going to object to that also? Dunno... Neighbor, golf and poker buddy, in the energy business, says that the wind turbines are better at self destructing than they are at generating power. The asian and american manufacturers all have the same problems. The can't stop the blades from spinning out of control and ripping the whole unit apart.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, there's places right here in the U.S. that have thousands upon thousands of operational wind turbines. And lots of those turbines are broken. Amazing to see how many are not turning in a field of hundreds on Altamont pass. |
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says... "Loogypicker" wrote in message ... On Nov 4, 10:24 pm, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:16:32 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:h1o2f55iekdj4hjoouf9bk3vm2b3ncqh17@4a x.com... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:11:04 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: My home (Florida) has been completely ruined by tourism whereas if our economy had been built on energy we'd still have our beaches and salt marshes. Don't be so sure Have you heard about "Cape Wind"? Another example of envimoronmentalist hyprocrisy. http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer Globe editorials in support. http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gree...26/2_tribes_ob... http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...torials/articl... Fortunately, it looks like it's going to get done. http://www.capewind.org/news1018.htm If Ted Kennedy were alive, it wouldn't be happening. :) There are proposals to turn old near shore drilling platforms in the Gulf of MX in to Wind Turbine supports. The local indians going to object to that also? Dunno... Neighbor, golf and poker buddy, in the energy business, says that the wind turbines are better at self destructing than they are at generating power. The asian and american manufacturers all have the same problems. The can't stop the blades from spinning out of control and ripping the whole unit apart.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, there's places right here in the U.S. that have thousands upon thousands of operational wind turbines. And lots of those turbines are broken. Amazing to see how many are not turning in a field of hundreds on Altamont pass. Are they made in China, seems to be who always gets rich in these Al Gore Scams.. Y2K, Global Taxing... -- Wafa free again. |
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says... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Tosk" wrote in message ... In article , says... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:45:38 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 3, 4:37 pm, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:21:37 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: Yes, they ignore the pipeline because it was built so that they COULD walk under them. Many types of tundra animals use the EXACT same route and have for thousands of years. I've been to many many drilling rigs also. They are nasty, stinky, they use a lot of chemicals in the process, and you can't tell me that wildlife would thrive in that environment. Wildlife do fine around people. They have a huge deer problem in downtown Washington DC. I damned near hit two of them on the Whitehurst freeway. (Georgetown) I have also flown at low altitude over arrays of wind turbines and was appalled at how destructive they were to the environment. Each required a road to service the turbine regularly and the turbines were like ugly blotches on the ridges. By contrast, the average producing oil well can barely be noticed even from low altitude and gas wells are even more invisible. So, gas and oilwells don't need servicing? Funny, every one I've ever seen has a road going to it...... The biggest danger to caribou in that situation is getting hit by a truck. Normally the biggest danger to caribou is they get killed by wolves but you folks got mad when the people in Alaska tried to thin out the wolves so I am confused. Do you really give a **** about caribou or is this just another way to demonize oil companies? WHOOOOOSH....... So, let me get this straight. Because nature is what it is, and yes, wolves eat caribou, you think that we should do anything and everything to make sure we kill them all........just because in the wild there is natural selection? Did you get that directly from Rush, because that's just a dumb position. Unfortunately disease kills children. Does that mean that we should stop keeping poison out of their reach? The real point is why do you think a couple hundred acres in a 19 million square mile refuge is going to seriously affect caribou in any way at all? We cut roads through the middle of national parks all over the country and the deer, antelope and bison are as likely to be around the roads as anywhere else. Grazing animals are not particularly afraid of people. ANWAR is not a pristine land. Former military compounds on it, villages. Therefore, we should just trash it? I vote no. Actually, I did that last year, so I don't have to do it again until the next election. -- Nom=de=Plume No, we drill on the couple square miles needed and leave the other couple million acres alone. Right. We can helicopter it out. Sure. Besides, the oil won't have much of an effect on the supply and it would take years before it could be gotten. -- Nom=de=Plume NIMBY. So then we drill off California. No? Better to drill in the desert of the Middle East? Send them the money and control? How about stop thinking that drilling for oil is going to solve our problems. How about alternative energy, including nuclear. Definitely NIMBY. -- Nom=de=Plume I have supported nuclear for as long as there has been nuclear power plants. But you still need oil. Plastic for boats (at least on topic), chemicals, fertilizer and fuel for vehicles until they can come up with a long range, fuel cell boat hauler. Well, the admin just shut down Yukka (sp?) today, there's billions down the tubes and of course could be the end of Nuke power.. Now we will have to buy even more dirty panels, and exploding windmills from China... Who'd a thunk, huh? -- Wafa free again. The Yucca Mountain installation could not, apparently, guarantee proper storage, not to mention the transportation issues. -- Nom=de=Plume Was pure politics. Hell, they truck nuclear weapons, what is so bad about trucking nuclear waste? And most of the waste is low level stuff. Like health care, they just don't want to solve the problem. Then they couldn't skim money off the various scams... -- Wafa free again. |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:52:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:00:24 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 4, 10:24 pm, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:16:32 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:h1o2f55iekdj4hjoouf9bk3vm2b3ncqh17@4a x.com... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:11:04 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: My home (Florida) has been completely ruined by tourism whereas if our economy had been built on energy we'd still have our beaches and salt marshes. Don't be so sure Have you heard about "Cape Wind"? Another example of envimoronmentalist hyprocrisy. http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer Globe editorials in support. http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gree...26/2_tribes_ob... http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...torials/articl... Fortunately, it looks like it's going to get done. http://www.capewind.org/news1018.htm If Ted Kennedy were alive, it wouldn't be happening. :) There are proposals to turn old near shore drilling platforms in the Gulf of MX in to Wind Turbine supports. The local indians going to object to that also? Dunno... Neighbor, golf and poker buddy, in the energy business, says that the wind turbines are better at self destructing than they are at generating power. The asian and american manufacturers all have the same problems. The can't stop the blades from spinning out of control and ripping the whole unit apart.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, there's places right here in the U.S. that have thousands upon thousands of operational wind turbines. Gosh, with your vast knowledge, it shouldn't be hard for you to show such a place. I'd be very interested. There are something like 4000 near Palm Springs. There are nearly 5000 at Altamont Pass. Did they add a few thousand since July? http://www.awea.org/projects/Projects.aspx?s=California lol -- Loogy says: Conservative = Good Liberal = Bad I agree. John H Probably more than 5000. Lots are not running anymore. They have been replaced by larger, slower turning windmills to reduce the bird deaths. And the early units were pretty crappy. One of the lakes I used to fish 15 years ago was on the edge of a wind farm. Maybe 15% of the towers had fallen over. |
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says... "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:52:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:00:24 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 4, 10:24 pm, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:16:32 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:h1o2f55iekdj4hjoouf9bk3vm2b3ncqh17@4a x.com... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:11:04 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: My home (Florida) has been completely ruined by tourism whereas if our economy had been built on energy we'd still have our beaches and salt marshes. Don't be so sure Have you heard about "Cape Wind"? Another example of envimoronmentalist hyprocrisy. http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer Globe editorials in support. http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gree...26/2_tribes_ob... http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...torials/articl... Fortunately, it looks like it's going to get done. http://www.capewind.org/news1018.htm If Ted Kennedy were alive, it wouldn't be happening. :) There are proposals to turn old near shore drilling platforms in the Gulf of MX in to Wind Turbine supports. The local indians going to object to that also? Dunno... Neighbor, golf and poker buddy, in the energy business, says that the wind turbines are better at self destructing than they are at generating power. The asian and american manufacturers all have the same problems. The can't stop the blades from spinning out of control and ripping the whole unit apart.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, there's places right here in the U.S. that have thousands upon thousands of operational wind turbines. Gosh, with your vast knowledge, it shouldn't be hard for you to show such a place. I'd be very interested. There are something like 4000 near Palm Springs. There are nearly 5000 at Altamont Pass. Did they add a few thousand since July? http://www.awea.org/projects/Projects.aspx?s=California lol -- Loogy says: Conservative = Good Liberal = Bad I agree. John H Probably more than 5000. Lots are not running anymore. They have been replaced by larger, slower turning windmills to reduce the bird deaths. And the early units were pretty crappy. One of the lakes I used to fish 15 years ago was on the edge of a wind farm. Maybe 15% of the towers had fallen over. Geeze, guess that's just great for the environment.. All that spilled oil and stuff? Maybe a ground level drilling platform a quarter acre across, wouldn't be so bad after all... -- Wafa free again. |
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m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Tosk" wrote in message ... In article , says... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:45:38 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 3, 4:37 pm, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:21:37 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: Yes, they ignore the pipeline because it was built so that they COULD walk under them. Many types of tundra animals use the EXACT same route and have for thousands of years. I've been to many many drilling rigs also. They are nasty, stinky, they use a lot of chemicals in the process, and you can't tell me that wildlife would thrive in that environment. Wildlife do fine around people. They have a huge deer problem in downtown Washington DC. I damned near hit two of them on the Whitehurst freeway. (Georgetown) I have also flown at low altitude over arrays of wind turbines and was appalled at how destructive they were to the environment. Each required a road to service the turbine regularly and the turbines were like ugly blotches on the ridges. By contrast, the average producing oil well can barely be noticed even from low altitude and gas wells are even more invisible. So, gas and oilwells don't need servicing? Funny, every one I've ever seen has a road going to it...... The biggest danger to caribou in that situation is getting hit by a truck. Normally the biggest danger to caribou is they get killed by wolves but you folks got mad when the people in Alaska tried to thin out the wolves so I am confused. Do you really give a **** about caribou or is this just another way to demonize oil companies? WHOOOOOSH....... So, let me get this straight. Because nature is what it is, and yes, wolves eat caribou, you think that we should do anything and everything to make sure we kill them all........just because in the wild there is natural selection? Did you get that directly from Rush, because that's just a dumb position. Unfortunately disease kills children. Does that mean that we should stop keeping poison out of their reach? The real point is why do you think a couple hundred acres in a 19 million square mile refuge is going to seriously affect caribou in any way at all? We cut roads through the middle of national parks all over the country and the deer, antelope and bison are as likely to be around the roads as anywhere else. Grazing animals are not particularly afraid of people. ANWAR is not a pristine land. Former military compounds on it, villages. Therefore, we should just trash it? I vote no. Actually, I did that last year, so I don't have to do it again until the next election. -- Nom=de=Plume No, we drill on the couple square miles needed and leave the other couple million acres alone. Right. We can helicopter it out. Sure. Besides, the oil won't have much of an effect on the supply and it would take years before it could be gotten. -- Nom=de=Plume NIMBY. So then we drill off California. No? Better to drill in the desert of the Middle East? Send them the money and control? How about stop thinking that drilling for oil is going to solve our problems. How about alternative energy, including nuclear. Definitely NIMBY. -- Nom=de=Plume I have supported nuclear for as long as there has been nuclear power plants. But you still need oil. Plastic for boats (at least on topic), chemicals, fertilizer and fuel for vehicles until they can come up with a long range, fuel cell boat hauler. Well, the admin just shut down Yukka (sp?) today, there's billions down the tubes and of course could be the end of Nuke power.. Now we will have to buy even more dirty panels, and exploding windmills from China... Who'd a thunk, huh? -- Wafa free again. The Yucca Mountain installation could not, apparently, guarantee proper storage, not to mention the transportation issues. -- Nom=de=Plume Was pure politics. Hell, they truck nuclear weapons, what is so bad about trucking nuclear waste? And most of the waste is low level stuff. Nope. There were genuine concerns about the locale. I'm sure there's a solution, but I don't know what it is. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... In article , says... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Tosk" wrote in message ... In article , says... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:45:38 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 3, 4:37 pm, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:21:37 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: Yes, they ignore the pipeline because it was built so that they COULD walk under them. Many types of tundra animals use the EXACT same route and have for thousands of years. I've been to many many drilling rigs also. They are nasty, stinky, they use a lot of chemicals in the process, and you can't tell me that wildlife would thrive in that environment. Wildlife do fine around people. They have a huge deer problem in downtown Washington DC. I damned near hit two of them on the Whitehurst freeway. (Georgetown) I have also flown at low altitude over arrays of wind turbines and was appalled at how destructive they were to the environment. Each required a road to service the turbine regularly and the turbines were like ugly blotches on the ridges. By contrast, the average producing oil well can barely be noticed even from low altitude and gas wells are even more invisible. So, gas and oilwells don't need servicing? Funny, every one I've ever seen has a road going to it...... The biggest danger to caribou in that situation is getting hit by a truck. Normally the biggest danger to caribou is they get killed by wolves but you folks got mad when the people in Alaska tried to thin out the wolves so I am confused. Do you really give a **** about caribou or is this just another way to demonize oil companies? WHOOOOOSH....... So, let me get this straight. Because nature is what it is, and yes, wolves eat caribou, you think that we should do anything and everything to make sure we kill them all........just because in the wild there is natural selection? Did you get that directly from Rush, because that's just a dumb position. Unfortunately disease kills children. Does that mean that we should stop keeping poison out of their reach? The real point is why do you think a couple hundred acres in a 19 million square mile refuge is going to seriously affect caribou in any way at all? We cut roads through the middle of national parks all over the country and the deer, antelope and bison are as likely to be around the roads as anywhere else. Grazing animals are not particularly afraid of people. ANWAR is not a pristine land. Former military compounds on it, villages. Therefore, we should just trash it? I vote no. Actually, I did that last year, so I don't have to do it again until the next election. -- Nom=de=Plume No, we drill on the couple square miles needed and leave the other couple million acres alone. Right. We can helicopter it out. Sure. Besides, the oil won't have much of an effect on the supply and it would take years before it could be gotten. -- Nom=de=Plume NIMBY. So then we drill off California. No? Better to drill in the desert of the Middle East? Send them the money and control? How about stop thinking that drilling for oil is going to solve our problems. How about alternative energy, including nuclear. Definitely NIMBY. -- Nom=de=Plume I have supported nuclear for as long as there has been nuclear power plants. But you still need oil. Plastic for boats (at least on topic), chemicals, fertilizer and fuel for vehicles until they can come up with a long range, fuel cell boat hauler. Well, the admin just shut down Yukka (sp?) today, there's billions down the tubes and of course could be the end of Nuke power.. Now we will have to buy even more dirty panels, and exploding windmills from China... Who'd a thunk, huh? -- Wafa free again. The Yucca Mountain installation could not, apparently, guarantee proper storage, not to mention the transportation issues. -- Nom=de=Plume Was pure politics. Hell, they truck nuclear weapons, what is so bad about trucking nuclear waste? And most of the waste is low level stuff. Like health care, they just don't want to solve the problem. Then they couldn't skim money off the various scams... -- Wafa free again. Right. Like them guys in DC who put out a plan that insures fewer people and costs more. Quite a solution that. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... In article , says... "Loogypicker" wrote in message ... On Nov 4, 10:24 pm, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:16:32 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:h1o2f55iekdj4hjoouf9bk3vm2b3ncqh17@4a x.com... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:11:04 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: My home (Florida) has been completely ruined by tourism whereas if our economy had been built on energy we'd still have our beaches and salt marshes. Don't be so sure Have you heard about "Cape Wind"? Another example of envimoronmentalist hyprocrisy. http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer Globe editorials in support. http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gree...26/2_tribes_ob... http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...torials/articl... Fortunately, it looks like it's going to get done. http://www.capewind.org/news1018.htm If Ted Kennedy were alive, it wouldn't be happening. :) There are proposals to turn old near shore drilling platforms in the Gulf of MX in to Wind Turbine supports. The local indians going to object to that also? Dunno... Neighbor, golf and poker buddy, in the energy business, says that the wind turbines are better at self destructing than they are at generating power. The asian and american manufacturers all have the same problems. The can't stop the blades from spinning out of control and ripping the whole unit apart.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, there's places right here in the U.S. that have thousands upon thousands of operational wind turbines. And lots of those turbines are broken. Amazing to see how many are not turning in a field of hundreds on Altamont pass. Are they made in China, seems to be who always gets rich in these Al Gore Scams.. Y2K, Global Taxing... -- Wafa free again. Don't know about quantity, but I believe the largest turbines made are done by a German company. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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The Yucca Mountain installation could not, apparently, guarantee proper storage, not to mention the transportation issues. -- Nom=de=Plume Was pure politics. Hell, they truck nuclear weapons, what is so bad about trucking nuclear waste? And most of the waste is low level stuff. One of the problems with Yucca Mountain, it's 30 year old technology. The proposed Generation IV reactors produce much less waste, and with reprocessing may make the whole concept of a nuclear waste repository, such as Yucca Mountain, unnecessary. It's my understanding that Yucca Mountain hasn't been permanently discared, but they are having a blue- ribbon panel look at it with modern day eyes. There may very well be, cheaper, safer, ways to accomplish it's mission. |
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In article , says... "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:52:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:00:24 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 4, 10:24 pm, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:16:32 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:h1o2f55iekdj4hjoouf9bk3vm2b3ncqh17@4ax .com... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:11:04 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: My home (Florida) has been completely ruined by tourism whereas if our economy had been built on energy we'd still have our beaches and salt marshes. Don't be so sure Have you heard about "Cape Wind"? Another example of envimoronmentalist hyprocrisy. http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer Globe editorials in support. http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gree...26/2_tribes_ob... http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...torials/articl... Fortunately, it looks like it's going to get done. http://www.capewind.org/news1018.htm If Ted Kennedy were alive, it wouldn't be happening. :) There are proposals to turn old near shore drilling platforms in the Gulf of MX in to Wind Turbine supports. The local indians going to object to that also? Dunno... Neighbor, golf and poker buddy, in the energy business, says that the wind turbines are better at self destructing than they are at generating power. The asian and american manufacturers all have the same problems. The can't stop the blades from spinning out of control and ripping the whole unit apart.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, there's places right here in the U.S. that have thousands upon thousands of operational wind turbines. Gosh, with your vast knowledge, it shouldn't be hard for you to show such a place. I'd be very interested. There are something like 4000 near Palm Springs. There are nearly 5000 at Altamont Pass. Did they add a few thousand since July? http://www.awea.org/projects/Projects.aspx?s=California lol -- Loogy says: Conservative = Good Liberal = Bad I agree. John H Probably more than 5000. Lots are not running anymore. They have been replaced by larger, slower turning windmills to reduce the bird deaths. And the early units were pretty crappy. One of the lakes I used to fish 15 years ago was on the edge of a wind farm. Maybe 15% of the towers had fallen over. Geeze, guess that's just great for the environment.. All that spilled oil and stuff? Maybe a ground level drilling platform a quarter acre across, wouldn't be so bad after all... Yeah, wouldn't be no spilled oil THERE, huh? |
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says... Tosk wrote: In article , says... "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:52:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:00:24 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 4, 10:24 pm, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:16:32 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:h1o2f55iekdj4hjoouf9bk3vm2b3ncqh17@4ax .com... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:11:04 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: My home (Florida) has been completely ruined by tourism whereas if our economy had been built on energy we'd still have our beaches and salt marshes. Don't be so sure Have you heard about "Cape Wind"? Another example of envimoronmentalist hyprocrisy. http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer Globe editorials in support. http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gree...26/2_tribes_ob... http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...torials/articl... Fortunately, it looks like it's going to get done. http://www.capewind.org/news1018.htm If Ted Kennedy were alive, it wouldn't be happening. :) There are proposals to turn old near shore drilling platforms in the Gulf of MX in to Wind Turbine supports. The local indians going to object to that also? Dunno... Neighbor, golf and poker buddy, in the energy business, says that the wind turbines are better at self destructing than they are at generating power. The asian and american manufacturers all have the same problems. The can't stop the blades from spinning out of control and ripping the whole unit apart.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, there's places right here in the U.S. that have thousands upon thousands of operational wind turbines. Gosh, with your vast knowledge, it shouldn't be hard for you to show such a place. I'd be very interested. There are something like 4000 near Palm Springs. There are nearly 5000 at Altamont Pass. Did they add a few thousand since July? http://www.awea.org/projects/Projects.aspx?s=California lol -- Loogy says: Conservative = Good Liberal = Bad I agree. John H Probably more than 5000. Lots are not running anymore. They have been replaced by larger, slower turning windmills to reduce the bird deaths. And the early units were pretty crappy. One of the lakes I used to fish 15 years ago was on the edge of a wind farm. Maybe 15% of the towers had fallen over. Geeze, guess that's just great for the environment.. All that spilled oil and stuff? Maybe a ground level drilling platform a quarter acre across, wouldn't be so bad after all... Yeah, wouldn't be no spilled oil THERE, huh? Nope, each one comes with a "Mr. Monk"... and a affable blond sidekick...;) -- Wafa free again. |
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:47:43 -0500, Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:19:51 -0600, thunder wrote: One of the problems with Yucca Mountain, it's 30 year old technology. * The proposed Generation IV reactors produce much less waste, and with reprocessing may make the whole concept of a nuclear waste repository, such as Yucca Mountain, unnecessary. *It's my understanding that Yucca Mountain hasn't been permanently discared, but they are having a blue- ribbon panel look at it with modern day eyes. *There may very well be, cheaper, safer, ways to accomplish it's mission. It's sure nice to see a liberal who puts some thought into a topic. I agree with this post and would add, is intellectually honest if not wrong sometimes;) And I concur with that also. Intellectual honesty seems quite rare in that side of the aisle, but it does exist in this case. -- John H Do you mean like "death panels" Or, At the behest of the oil and coal barons, Republican propagandists first attacked the bill as an "energy tax" that would force American consumers into abject poverty. They referred to an independent and reputable study by scientists at MIT in their initial attacks, but a co-author of the study told Congress that they were distorting and misrepresenting its findings. And so they came up with a "study" by some of their own. William W. Beach, David Kreutzer, Karen Campbell and Ben Lieberman - the "experts" cited by Ms. Montes - are all on the payroll of the infamously right-wing American Heritage Foundation, a conservative propaganda machine. This is roughly equivalent to citing Bill O'Reilly as an "expert" on journalism. Or do you mean: As CNN reported, McConnell recently made a speech to the Senate referring to the "bureaucrats who run Canada's health care system" and using the Kingston General Hospital as an example of the horror of Canada's health care. KGH supposedly had waits of 340 days for knee replacement and 196 days for hip replacement. McConnell also fussed that Ontario's wait time for breast cancer surgery is three months. CNN did interview Dr. David Zelt, KGH's chief of staff, who pointed out the wait times are actually 91 days for hip replacement, 109 days for knees, and that these aren't the average wait times, but the time that nine out of 10 people have had the procedure. Many have them done much faster. For breast cancer surgery, the wait time at KGH is 23 days, across Ontario it's 34 days. .. David Drissel's diary :: :: Lie #1: President Obama and Congressional Democrats are seeking to “nationalize” health care, which will result in “socialized medicine.” The Truth: Fear-inducing buzzwords such as “nationalization” and “socialized medicine” are not accurate descriptions of Obama’s health care approach. In reality, Obama and Congressional Democrats are advocating that health care remain primarily in private hands, but that the government should design a "health insurance exchange" and “public option” to cover most of the estimated 46 million uninsured. In addition, Obama is promoting new regulations to reduce escalating health care costs, guarantee the portability of insurance policies, and limit the ability of insurance companies to deny coverage simply because of preexisting conditions. Lie #2: "Universal health care” is overly bureaucratic and results in a “government takeover” of health care. The Truth: The U.S. is the only country in the industrialized world that does not have some form of universal health care. But “universal” is not synonymous with a “government takeover.” Though some countries such as Great Britain and Canada have indeed nationalized major components of their health care systems, other countries such as Germany and the Netherlands have found ways in which to cover everyone while also retaining a strong private insurance system. In this regard, Obama and a majority of Congressional Democrats have endorsed a relatively moderate approach designed to reduce bureaucratic red tape in both private and public health care institutions. Under such a plan, no one will be compelled to switch from his or her insurance company to a public option. Lie #3: Health care reform will result in the rationing of care, thus depriving people of important medical services. The Truth: Insurance companies are actually the ones who are currently rationing health care in the U.S. Every day, countless thousands of Americans are denied payment for needed operations and treatments by health insurance companies. In contrast, there is nothing in any of the major Democratic proposals that would ration care. This is simply another scare tactic designed by conservative special interest groups to forestall any major reform of the system. Lie #4: Health care reform, as proposed by President Obama and Congressional Democrats, will supply illegal immigrants with health care coverage. The Truth: The main House bill, HR 3200, actually bans the coverage of illegal immigrants. According to Section 246 in the bill, any type of health insurance exchange or public option would forbid payments "on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." Lie #5: Health care reform proposals endorsed by President Obama and Congressional Democrats will mandate “death panels” for elderly patients, thus encouraging euthanasia. The Truth: There is absolutely nothing in any of the bills before Congress that would provide for death panels or euthanasia. What HR 3200, Section 1233, actually states is that Medicare would be required to pay doctors for consultations with patients about "advance care planning," such as living wills, hospice care, etc. The American Medical Association, which has endorsed the Democratic approach to health care reform, has noted that such consultations would be strictly voluntary and not result in any type of rationing of care or euthanasia for seniors. Lie #6: Democratic proposals for health care reform include a provision that would allow the U.S. government to access patients’ bank accounts and related financial records. The Truth: Section 163 of HR 3200 entitled "Standards for financial and administrative transactions" requires the government to set "comprehensive, efficient and robust" rules for electronic transactions, thus reducing expensive and duplicative paperwork. This is one of several provisions that are designed to cut administrative costs and red tape in the health care bureaucracy. This provision only covers companies involved in medical billing and not individual patients. Lie #7: The U.S. cannot afford any new, expensive government programs that will fuel the deficit for years to come. The Truth: Currently, the U.S. has the most expensive health care system in the world. Every year, health care costs continue to rise, while insurance companies raise premiums and other out of pocket expenses for average consumers. Health care costs result in sixty percent of all bankruptcies in the US. One major reason why health care is so expensive is due to the approximately 46 million Americans who are uninsured that tend to visit emergency rooms for even minor ailments. As the most expensive place to receive care, ERs drive up the cost of health care in general. With universal health care, ER visits would almost certainly decline, thus saving huge sums of money. Maintaining the status quo will only fuel the federal deficit since health care inflation is having a dramatic impact on the rising costs of Medicare and Medicaid. Besides, Obama has promised not to sign a bill unless it is deficit-neutral. Health care reform is designed to eliminate waste and duplicative procedures, thus actually saving taxpayers money in the long run. Lie #8: The U.S. has the best health care system in the world; thus there is no need for any major changes in government policies and regulations. The Truth: Among 191 countries, the U.S. ranks 37th for performance in health care and 15th in overall attainment of health care needs (according to a 2000 World Health Organization study). The U.S. also ranks 26th in infant mortality rates among industrialized countries, according to recent OECD figures. The OECD found that the U.S. comes in last among industrialized countries in the fairness of financial contributions to health care. As the WHO report states, “the impact of failures is most severe on the poor everywhere, who are driven deeper into poverty by lack of financial protection against ill- health.” The Commonwealth Fund found in 2007 that U.S. health care ranks last compared with five other nations (Canada, Britain, Australia and New Zealand) "on measures of quality, access, efficiency, equity, and outcomes.” Lie #9: Insurance companies would be unable to compete effectively with a government-backed “public option,” thus driving such companies out of business. The Truth: In many countries around the world, a dual system of private insurance effectively co-exists with government-funded health care programs. Such private-public hybrids are the norm in countries such as Germany and the Netherlands. In contrast, the current private insurance system in the U.S. is overly bureaucratic and monopolistic, thus driving up health care costs. A public option would provide a more competitive market for health care, thus pressuring insurance companies to lower their rates. The idea that the private sector cannot compete with the government has been proven wrong in other sectors of the economy such as education (with private schools competing against public schools) and postal services (with FedEx and UPS competing against the U.S. Post Office). Lie #10: Obama’s health care reform proposals will cut Medicare benefits for the elderly. The Truth: Obama and Congressional Democrats are proposing cost- saving measures in Medicare and Medicaid that target waste, fraud, and inefficiency. The plan envisions huge savings in these programs by changing procedures for billing and paperwork, with a particular emphasis on ending overpayments to insurance companies. As many experts have noted, the Obama/Democratic plan will not reduce Medicare benefits in any way, shape, or form |
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:19:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:54:27 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:52:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message om... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:00:24 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 4, 10:24 pm, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:16:32 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:h1o2f55iekdj4hjoouf9bk3vm2b3ncqh17@4a x.com... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:11:04 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: My home (Florida) has been completely ruined by tourism whereas if our economy had been built on energy we'd still have our beaches and salt marshes. Don't be so sure Have you heard about "Cape Wind"? Another example of envimoronmentalist hyprocrisy. http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer Globe editorials in support. http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gree...26/2_tribes_ob... http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...torials/articl... Fortunately, it looks like it's going to get done. http://www.capewind.org/news1018.htm If Ted Kennedy were alive, it wouldn't be happening. :) There are proposals to turn old near shore drilling platforms in the Gulf of MX in to Wind Turbine supports. The local indians going to object to that also? Dunno... Neighbor, golf and poker buddy, in the energy business, says that the wind turbines are better at self destructing than they are at generating power. The asian and american manufacturers all have the same problems. The can't stop the blades from spinning out of control and ripping the whole unit apart.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, there's places right here in the U.S. that have thousands upon thousands of operational wind turbines. Gosh, with your vast knowledge, it shouldn't be hard for you to show such a place. I'd be very interested. There are something like 4000 near Palm Springs. There are nearly 5000 at Altamont Pass. Did they add a few thousand since July? http://www.awea.org/projects/Projects.aspx?s=California What's that got to do with your question of how many and where? It had to do with your bull**** response. -- John H ************************** "That's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus." (Harry Krause truism) So, basically, you don't give a crap about actual facts. You just would prefer to slam someone personally. Bingo! |
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:21:20 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:08:54 -0500, Jim wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:54:27 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:52:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:00:24 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 4, 10:24 pm, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:16:32 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:h1o2f55iekdj4hjoouf9bk3vm2b3ncqh17@4ax .com... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:11:04 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: My home (Florida) has been completely ruined by tourism whereas if our economy had been built on energy we'd still have our beaches and salt marshes. Don't be so sure Have you heard about "Cape Wind"? Another example of envimoronmentalist hyprocrisy. http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer Globe editorials in support. http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gree...26/2_tribes_ob... http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...torials/articl... Fortunately, it looks like it's going to get done. http://www.capewind.org/news1018.htm If Ted Kennedy were alive, it wouldn't be happening. :) There are proposals to turn old near shore drilling platforms in the Gulf of MX in to Wind Turbine supports. The local indians going to object to that also? Dunno... Neighbor, golf and poker buddy, in the energy business, says that the wind turbines are better at self destructing than they are at generating power. The asian and american manufacturers all have the same problems. The can't stop the blades from spinning out of control and ripping the whole unit apart.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, there's places right here in the U.S. that have thousands upon thousands of operational wind turbines. Gosh, with your vast knowledge, it shouldn't be hard for you to show such a place. I'd be very interested. There are something like 4000 near Palm Springs. There are nearly 5000 at Altamont Pass. Did they add a few thousand since July? http://www.awea.org/projects/Projects.aspx?s=California What's that got to do with your question of how many and where? It had to do with your bull**** response. -- John H ************************** "That's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus." (Harry Krause truism) I thought you had the homely one in your trash barrel. That was the day i came home and found about 200 or her posts. I kf'd her to delete them all. She's going back. Geez. -- John H ************************** "That's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus." (Harry Krause truism) I think you're just a liar. More personal attacks, this time from a pea brain who is unable to actually argue a point in a logical way. I can see why you guys are held in such distain in this newsgroup. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!!!! |
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... On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:21:20 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:08:54 -0500, Jim wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:54:27 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:52:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:00:24 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 4, 10:24 pm, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:16:32 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:h1o2f55iekdj4hjoouf9bk3vm2b3ncqh17@4ax .com... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:11:04 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: My home (Florida) has been completely ruined by tourism whereas if our economy had been built on energy we'd still have our beaches and salt marshes. Don't be so sure Have you heard about "Cape Wind"? Another example of envimoronmentalist hyprocrisy. http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer Globe editorials in support. http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gree...26/2_tribes_ob... http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...torials/articl... Fortunately, it looks like it's going to get done. http://www.capewind.org/news1018.htm If Ted Kennedy were alive, it wouldn't be happening. :) There are proposals to turn old near shore drilling platforms in the Gulf of MX in to Wind Turbine supports. The local indians going to object to that also? Dunno... Neighbor, golf and poker buddy, in the energy business, says that the wind turbines are better at self destructing than they are at generating power. The asian and american manufacturers all have the same problems. The can't stop the blades from spinning out of control and ripping the whole unit apart.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, there's places right here in the U.S. that have thousands upon thousands of operational wind turbines. Gosh, with your vast knowledge, it shouldn't be hard for you to show such a place. I'd be very interested. There are something like 4000 near Palm Springs. There are nearly 5000 at Altamont Pass. Did they add a few thousand since July? http://www.awea.org/projects/Projects.aspx?s=California What's that got to do with your question of how many and where? It had to do with your bull**** response. -- John H ************************** "That's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus." (Harry Krause truism) I thought you had the homely one in your trash barrel. That was the day i came home and found about 200 or her posts. I kf'd her to delete them all. She's going back. Geez. -- John H ************************** "That's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus." (Harry Krause truism) I think you're just a liar. More personal attacks, this time from a pea brain who is unable to actually argue a point in a logical way. I can see why you guys are held in such distain in this newsgroup. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!!!! I apologize for using the term pea brain. I guess I got tired of seeing a bunch of lies from someone old enough to be an adult. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:55:58 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:21:20 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:08:54 -0500, Jim wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:54:27 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:52:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:00:24 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 4, 10:24 pm, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:16:32 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:h1o2f55iekdj4hjoouf9bk3vm2b3ncqh17@4ax .com... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:11:04 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: My home (Florida) has been completely ruined by tourism whereas if our economy had been built on energy we'd still have our beaches and salt marshes. Don't be so sure Have you heard about "Cape Wind"? Another example of envimoronmentalist hyprocrisy. http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer Globe editorials in support. http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gree...26/2_tribes_ob... http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...torials/articl... Fortunately, it looks like it's going to get done. http://www.capewind.org/news1018.htm If Ted Kennedy were alive, it wouldn't be happening. :) There are proposals to turn old near shore drilling platforms in the Gulf of MX in to Wind Turbine supports. The local indians going to object to that also? Dunno... Neighbor, golf and poker buddy, in the energy business, says that the wind turbines are better at self destructing than they are at generating power. The asian and american manufacturers all have the same problems. The can't stop the blades from spinning out of control and ripping the whole unit apart.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, there's places right here in the U.S. that have thousands upon thousands of operational wind turbines. Gosh, with your vast knowledge, it shouldn't be hard for you to show such a place. I'd be very interested. There are something like 4000 near Palm Springs. There are nearly 5000 at Altamont Pass. Did they add a few thousand since July? http://www.awea.org/projects/Projects.aspx?s=California What's that got to do with your question of how many and where? It had to do with your bull**** response. -- John H ************************** "That's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus." (Harry Krause truism) I thought you had the homely one in your trash barrel. That was the day i came home and found about 200 or her posts. I kf'd her to delete them all. She's going back. Geez. -- John H ************************** "That's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus." (Harry Krause truism) I think you're just a liar. More personal attacks, this time from a pea brain who is unable to actually argue a point in a logical way. I can see why you guys are held in such distain in this newsgroup. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!!!! I apologize for using the term pea brain. I guess I got tired of seeing a bunch of lies from someone old enough to be an adult. The ding, ding, ding wasn't based on pea brain. If you insert person in place of pea brain, you'd have still earned the enthusiastic endorsement. |
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"thunder" wrote in message t... On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:00:55 -0800, Bill McKee wrote: The Yucca Mountain installation could not, apparently, guarantee proper storage, not to mention the transportation issues. -- Nom=de=Plume Was pure politics. Hell, they truck nuclear weapons, what is so bad about trucking nuclear waste? And most of the waste is low level stuff. One of the problems with Yucca Mountain, it's 30 year old technology. The proposed Generation IV reactors produce much less waste, and with reprocessing may make the whole concept of a nuclear waste repository, such as Yucca Mountain, unnecessary. It's my understanding that Yucca Mountain hasn't been permanently discared, but they are having a blue- ribbon panel look at it with modern day eyes. There may very well be, cheaper, safer, ways to accomplish it's mission. The major storage problem is not the high level waste, it is the tons of low level stuff. That may be radioactive for only a couple hundred years. |
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