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... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:52:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:00:24 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 4, 10:24 pm, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:16:32 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:h1o2f55iekdj4hjoouf9bk3vm2b3ncqh17@4a x.com... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:11:04 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: My home (Florida) has been completely ruined by tourism whereas if our economy had been built on energy we'd still have our beaches and salt marshes. Don't be so sure Have you heard about "Cape Wind"? Another example of envimoronmentalist hyprocrisy. http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer Globe editorials in support. http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gree...26/2_tribes_ob... http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...torials/articl... Fortunately, it looks like it's going to get done. http://www.capewind.org/news1018.htm If Ted Kennedy were alive, it wouldn't be happening. :) There are proposals to turn old near shore drilling platforms in the Gulf of MX in to Wind Turbine supports. The local indians going to object to that also? Dunno... Neighbor, golf and poker buddy, in the energy business, says that the wind turbines are better at self destructing than they are at generating power. The asian and american manufacturers all have the same problems. The can't stop the blades from spinning out of control and ripping the whole unit apart.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, there's places right here in the U.S. that have thousands upon thousands of operational wind turbines. Gosh, with your vast knowledge, it shouldn't be hard for you to show such a place. I'd be very interested. There are something like 4000 near Palm Springs. There are nearly 5000 at Altamont Pass. Did they add a few thousand since July? http://www.awea.org/projects/Projects.aspx?s=California What's that got to do with your question of how many and where? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Loogypicker" wrote in message ... On Nov 4, 10:24 pm, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:16:32 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:h1o2f55iekdj4hjoouf9bk3vm2b3ncqh17@4a x.com... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:11:04 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: My home (Florida) has been completely ruined by tourism whereas if our economy had been built on energy we'd still have our beaches and salt marshes. Don't be so sure Have you heard about "Cape Wind"? Another example of envimoronmentalist hyprocrisy. http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer Globe editorials in support. http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gree...26/2_tribes_ob... http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...torials/articl... Fortunately, it looks like it's going to get done. http://www.capewind.org/news1018.htm If Ted Kennedy were alive, it wouldn't be happening. :) There are proposals to turn old near shore drilling platforms in the Gulf of MX in to Wind Turbine supports. The local indians going to object to that also? Dunno... Neighbor, golf and poker buddy, in the energy business, says that the wind turbines are better at self destructing than they are at generating power. The asian and american manufacturers all have the same problems. The can't stop the blades from spinning out of control and ripping the whole unit apart.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, there's places right here in the U.S. that have thousands upon thousands of operational wind turbines. And lots of those turbines are broken. Amazing to see how many are not turning in a field of hundreds on Altamont pass. |
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says... "Loogypicker" wrote in message ... On Nov 4, 10:24 pm, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:16:32 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:h1o2f55iekdj4hjoouf9bk3vm2b3ncqh17@4a x.com... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:11:04 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: My home (Florida) has been completely ruined by tourism whereas if our economy had been built on energy we'd still have our beaches and salt marshes. Don't be so sure Have you heard about "Cape Wind"? Another example of envimoronmentalist hyprocrisy. http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer Globe editorials in support. http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gree...26/2_tribes_ob... http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...torials/articl... Fortunately, it looks like it's going to get done. http://www.capewind.org/news1018.htm If Ted Kennedy were alive, it wouldn't be happening. :) There are proposals to turn old near shore drilling platforms in the Gulf of MX in to Wind Turbine supports. The local indians going to object to that also? Dunno... Neighbor, golf and poker buddy, in the energy business, says that the wind turbines are better at self destructing than they are at generating power. The asian and american manufacturers all have the same problems. The can't stop the blades from spinning out of control and ripping the whole unit apart.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, there's places right here in the U.S. that have thousands upon thousands of operational wind turbines. And lots of those turbines are broken. Amazing to see how many are not turning in a field of hundreds on Altamont pass. Are they made in China, seems to be who always gets rich in these Al Gore Scams.. Y2K, Global Taxing... -- Wafa free again. |
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says... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Tosk" wrote in message ... In article , says... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:45:38 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 3, 4:37 pm, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:21:37 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: Yes, they ignore the pipeline because it was built so that they COULD walk under them. Many types of tundra animals use the EXACT same route and have for thousands of years. I've been to many many drilling rigs also. They are nasty, stinky, they use a lot of chemicals in the process, and you can't tell me that wildlife would thrive in that environment. Wildlife do fine around people. They have a huge deer problem in downtown Washington DC. I damned near hit two of them on the Whitehurst freeway. (Georgetown) I have also flown at low altitude over arrays of wind turbines and was appalled at how destructive they were to the environment. Each required a road to service the turbine regularly and the turbines were like ugly blotches on the ridges. By contrast, the average producing oil well can barely be noticed even from low altitude and gas wells are even more invisible. So, gas and oilwells don't need servicing? Funny, every one I've ever seen has a road going to it...... The biggest danger to caribou in that situation is getting hit by a truck. Normally the biggest danger to caribou is they get killed by wolves but you folks got mad when the people in Alaska tried to thin out the wolves so I am confused. Do you really give a **** about caribou or is this just another way to demonize oil companies? WHOOOOOSH....... So, let me get this straight. Because nature is what it is, and yes, wolves eat caribou, you think that we should do anything and everything to make sure we kill them all........just because in the wild there is natural selection? Did you get that directly from Rush, because that's just a dumb position. Unfortunately disease kills children. Does that mean that we should stop keeping poison out of their reach? The real point is why do you think a couple hundred acres in a 19 million square mile refuge is going to seriously affect caribou in any way at all? We cut roads through the middle of national parks all over the country and the deer, antelope and bison are as likely to be around the roads as anywhere else. Grazing animals are not particularly afraid of people. ANWAR is not a pristine land. Former military compounds on it, villages. Therefore, we should just trash it? I vote no. Actually, I did that last year, so I don't have to do it again until the next election. -- Nom=de=Plume No, we drill on the couple square miles needed and leave the other couple million acres alone. Right. We can helicopter it out. Sure. Besides, the oil won't have much of an effect on the supply and it would take years before it could be gotten. -- Nom=de=Plume NIMBY. So then we drill off California. No? Better to drill in the desert of the Middle East? Send them the money and control? How about stop thinking that drilling for oil is going to solve our problems. How about alternative energy, including nuclear. Definitely NIMBY. -- Nom=de=Plume I have supported nuclear for as long as there has been nuclear power plants. But you still need oil. Plastic for boats (at least on topic), chemicals, fertilizer and fuel for vehicles until they can come up with a long range, fuel cell boat hauler. Well, the admin just shut down Yukka (sp?) today, there's billions down the tubes and of course could be the end of Nuke power.. Now we will have to buy even more dirty panels, and exploding windmills from China... Who'd a thunk, huh? -- Wafa free again. The Yucca Mountain installation could not, apparently, guarantee proper storage, not to mention the transportation issues. -- Nom=de=Plume Was pure politics. Hell, they truck nuclear weapons, what is so bad about trucking nuclear waste? And most of the waste is low level stuff. Like health care, they just don't want to solve the problem. Then they couldn't skim money off the various scams... -- Wafa free again. |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:52:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:00:24 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 4, 10:24 pm, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:16:32 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:h1o2f55iekdj4hjoouf9bk3vm2b3ncqh17@4a x.com... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:11:04 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: My home (Florida) has been completely ruined by tourism whereas if our economy had been built on energy we'd still have our beaches and salt marshes. Don't be so sure Have you heard about "Cape Wind"? Another example of envimoronmentalist hyprocrisy. http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer Globe editorials in support. http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gree...26/2_tribes_ob... http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...torials/articl... Fortunately, it looks like it's going to get done. http://www.capewind.org/news1018.htm If Ted Kennedy were alive, it wouldn't be happening. :) There are proposals to turn old near shore drilling platforms in the Gulf of MX in to Wind Turbine supports. The local indians going to object to that also? Dunno... Neighbor, golf and poker buddy, in the energy business, says that the wind turbines are better at self destructing than they are at generating power. The asian and american manufacturers all have the same problems. The can't stop the blades from spinning out of control and ripping the whole unit apart.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, there's places right here in the U.S. that have thousands upon thousands of operational wind turbines. Gosh, with your vast knowledge, it shouldn't be hard for you to show such a place. I'd be very interested. There are something like 4000 near Palm Springs. There are nearly 5000 at Altamont Pass. Did they add a few thousand since July? http://www.awea.org/projects/Projects.aspx?s=California lol -- Loogy says: Conservative = Good Liberal = Bad I agree. John H Probably more than 5000. Lots are not running anymore. They have been replaced by larger, slower turning windmills to reduce the bird deaths. And the early units were pretty crappy. One of the lakes I used to fish 15 years ago was on the edge of a wind farm. Maybe 15% of the towers had fallen over. |
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says... "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:52:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:00:24 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 4, 10:24 pm, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:16:32 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:h1o2f55iekdj4hjoouf9bk3vm2b3ncqh17@4a x.com... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:11:04 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: My home (Florida) has been completely ruined by tourism whereas if our economy had been built on energy we'd still have our beaches and salt marshes. Don't be so sure Have you heard about "Cape Wind"? Another example of envimoronmentalist hyprocrisy. http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer Globe editorials in support. http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gree...26/2_tribes_ob... http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...torials/articl... Fortunately, it looks like it's going to get done. http://www.capewind.org/news1018.htm If Ted Kennedy were alive, it wouldn't be happening. :) There are proposals to turn old near shore drilling platforms in the Gulf of MX in to Wind Turbine supports. The local indians going to object to that also? Dunno... Neighbor, golf and poker buddy, in the energy business, says that the wind turbines are better at self destructing than they are at generating power. The asian and american manufacturers all have the same problems. The can't stop the blades from spinning out of control and ripping the whole unit apart.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, there's places right here in the U.S. that have thousands upon thousands of operational wind turbines. Gosh, with your vast knowledge, it shouldn't be hard for you to show such a place. I'd be very interested. There are something like 4000 near Palm Springs. There are nearly 5000 at Altamont Pass. Did they add a few thousand since July? http://www.awea.org/projects/Projects.aspx?s=California lol -- Loogy says: Conservative = Good Liberal = Bad I agree. John H Probably more than 5000. Lots are not running anymore. They have been replaced by larger, slower turning windmills to reduce the bird deaths. And the early units were pretty crappy. One of the lakes I used to fish 15 years ago was on the edge of a wind farm. Maybe 15% of the towers had fallen over. Geeze, guess that's just great for the environment.. All that spilled oil and stuff? Maybe a ground level drilling platform a quarter acre across, wouldn't be so bad after all... -- Wafa free again. |
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m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Tosk" wrote in message ... In article , says... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:45:38 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 3, 4:37 pm, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:21:37 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: Yes, they ignore the pipeline because it was built so that they COULD walk under them. Many types of tundra animals use the EXACT same route and have for thousands of years. I've been to many many drilling rigs also. They are nasty, stinky, they use a lot of chemicals in the process, and you can't tell me that wildlife would thrive in that environment. Wildlife do fine around people. They have a huge deer problem in downtown Washington DC. I damned near hit two of them on the Whitehurst freeway. (Georgetown) I have also flown at low altitude over arrays of wind turbines and was appalled at how destructive they were to the environment. Each required a road to service the turbine regularly and the turbines were like ugly blotches on the ridges. By contrast, the average producing oil well can barely be noticed even from low altitude and gas wells are even more invisible. So, gas and oilwells don't need servicing? Funny, every one I've ever seen has a road going to it...... The biggest danger to caribou in that situation is getting hit by a truck. Normally the biggest danger to caribou is they get killed by wolves but you folks got mad when the people in Alaska tried to thin out the wolves so I am confused. Do you really give a **** about caribou or is this just another way to demonize oil companies? WHOOOOOSH....... So, let me get this straight. Because nature is what it is, and yes, wolves eat caribou, you think that we should do anything and everything to make sure we kill them all........just because in the wild there is natural selection? Did you get that directly from Rush, because that's just a dumb position. Unfortunately disease kills children. Does that mean that we should stop keeping poison out of their reach? The real point is why do you think a couple hundred acres in a 19 million square mile refuge is going to seriously affect caribou in any way at all? We cut roads through the middle of national parks all over the country and the deer, antelope and bison are as likely to be around the roads as anywhere else. Grazing animals are not particularly afraid of people. ANWAR is not a pristine land. Former military compounds on it, villages. Therefore, we should just trash it? I vote no. Actually, I did that last year, so I don't have to do it again until the next election. -- Nom=de=Plume No, we drill on the couple square miles needed and leave the other couple million acres alone. Right. We can helicopter it out. Sure. Besides, the oil won't have much of an effect on the supply and it would take years before it could be gotten. -- Nom=de=Plume NIMBY. So then we drill off California. No? Better to drill in the desert of the Middle East? Send them the money and control? How about stop thinking that drilling for oil is going to solve our problems. How about alternative energy, including nuclear. Definitely NIMBY. -- Nom=de=Plume I have supported nuclear for as long as there has been nuclear power plants. But you still need oil. Plastic for boats (at least on topic), chemicals, fertilizer and fuel for vehicles until they can come up with a long range, fuel cell boat hauler. Well, the admin just shut down Yukka (sp?) today, there's billions down the tubes and of course could be the end of Nuke power.. Now we will have to buy even more dirty panels, and exploding windmills from China... Who'd a thunk, huh? -- Wafa free again. The Yucca Mountain installation could not, apparently, guarantee proper storage, not to mention the transportation issues. -- Nom=de=Plume Was pure politics. Hell, they truck nuclear weapons, what is so bad about trucking nuclear waste? And most of the waste is low level stuff. Nope. There were genuine concerns about the locale. I'm sure there's a solution, but I don't know what it is. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... In article , says... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Tosk" wrote in message ... In article , says... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:45:38 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 3, 4:37 pm, wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:21:37 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: Yes, they ignore the pipeline because it was built so that they COULD walk under them. Many types of tundra animals use the EXACT same route and have for thousands of years. I've been to many many drilling rigs also. They are nasty, stinky, they use a lot of chemicals in the process, and you can't tell me that wildlife would thrive in that environment. Wildlife do fine around people. They have a huge deer problem in downtown Washington DC. I damned near hit two of them on the Whitehurst freeway. (Georgetown) I have also flown at low altitude over arrays of wind turbines and was appalled at how destructive they were to the environment. Each required a road to service the turbine regularly and the turbines were like ugly blotches on the ridges. By contrast, the average producing oil well can barely be noticed even from low altitude and gas wells are even more invisible. So, gas and oilwells don't need servicing? Funny, every one I've ever seen has a road going to it...... The biggest danger to caribou in that situation is getting hit by a truck. Normally the biggest danger to caribou is they get killed by wolves but you folks got mad when the people in Alaska tried to thin out the wolves so I am confused. Do you really give a **** about caribou or is this just another way to demonize oil companies? WHOOOOOSH....... So, let me get this straight. Because nature is what it is, and yes, wolves eat caribou, you think that we should do anything and everything to make sure we kill them all........just because in the wild there is natural selection? Did you get that directly from Rush, because that's just a dumb position. Unfortunately disease kills children. Does that mean that we should stop keeping poison out of their reach? The real point is why do you think a couple hundred acres in a 19 million square mile refuge is going to seriously affect caribou in any way at all? We cut roads through the middle of national parks all over the country and the deer, antelope and bison are as likely to be around the roads as anywhere else. Grazing animals are not particularly afraid of people. ANWAR is not a pristine land. Former military compounds on it, villages. Therefore, we should just trash it? I vote no. Actually, I did that last year, so I don't have to do it again until the next election. -- Nom=de=Plume No, we drill on the couple square miles needed and leave the other couple million acres alone. Right. We can helicopter it out. Sure. Besides, the oil won't have much of an effect on the supply and it would take years before it could be gotten. -- Nom=de=Plume NIMBY. So then we drill off California. No? Better to drill in the desert of the Middle East? Send them the money and control? How about stop thinking that drilling for oil is going to solve our problems. How about alternative energy, including nuclear. Definitely NIMBY. -- Nom=de=Plume I have supported nuclear for as long as there has been nuclear power plants. But you still need oil. Plastic for boats (at least on topic), chemicals, fertilizer and fuel for vehicles until they can come up with a long range, fuel cell boat hauler. Well, the admin just shut down Yukka (sp?) today, there's billions down the tubes and of course could be the end of Nuke power.. Now we will have to buy even more dirty panels, and exploding windmills from China... Who'd a thunk, huh? -- Wafa free again. The Yucca Mountain installation could not, apparently, guarantee proper storage, not to mention the transportation issues. -- Nom=de=Plume Was pure politics. Hell, they truck nuclear weapons, what is so bad about trucking nuclear waste? And most of the waste is low level stuff. Like health care, they just don't want to solve the problem. Then they couldn't skim money off the various scams... -- Wafa free again. Right. Like them guys in DC who put out a plan that insures fewer people and costs more. Quite a solution that. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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