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On 10/24/09 3:32 PM, Tosk wrote:
In om, says... In , says... wrote in message t... On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:56:22 -0700, nom=de=plume wrote: Card check? No idea what you're talking about. You claimed net neutrality was a censorship doctrine. It isn't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_check Hmm... well, I don't know enough about the issue to comment. If management is doing a good job, seems to me you don't need a union. That was why they formed. The union doesn't care if management is good or bad, the union is looking for more members paying dues. With union membership dwindling they are looking for more income and more muscle with which to lobby Congress. Well, now two dems are trying to make it so Fed employees (such as themselves) don't have to pay tax on the so called "Cadillac policies" along with the Union members.. Seems it's just a way to pay off the folks who voted for Obama and further punish anyone who didn't... These guys are unbelievable. Time to bring back the gallows for treason. You can follow limbaugh and beck onto the platform. |
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. .. In article , says... "thunder" wrote in message t... On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:56:22 -0700, nom=de=plume wrote: Card check? No idea what you're talking about. You claimed net neutrality was a censorship doctrine. It isn't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_check Hmm... well, I don't know enough about the issue to comment. If management is doing a good job, seems to me you don't need a union. That was why they formed. The union doesn't care if management is good or bad, the union is looking for more members paying dues. With union membership dwindling they are looking for more income and more muscle with which to lobby Congress. Perhaps, but that's a management issue within the union. That's got nothing to do with why they exist in the first place, which is bad corporate management. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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. .. In article , says... "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:10:48 -0400, Tosk wrote: puleeeeaaseeee. He was and is a joke... Kinda' like calling the pending censorship doctrine, the "fairness" doctrine... Fairness Doctrine or net neutrality? The Fairness Doctrine has been dead for quite a while. However, the FCC is now considering rules to insure net neutrality. What is net neutrality? Did you forget that you entered into a contract with your ISP? If you don't like what one offers you can excercise your right to choose a different ISP. Or, you can negotiate with your ISP to provide you with better quality service. The ISP really isn't the issue. They're a dime a dozen. The issue is the broadband providers. There are just a few of those. They're mostly backbones, such as MCI, Spring, UUNET... MCI no longer exists, see Verizon. Sprin(g)t no longer exists, see AT&T. UUNET no longer exists, see Verizon. Besides UUNet never owned the long lines, the had modems at the POPs. The misnomer of public and private traffic on the Internet blurs the fact that it was all privately owned. Try again. Whatever... it's still the broadband providers not the ISP. Net neutrality Did you agree to terms and conditions when you obtained your Internet connection? You entered into a private contract, at least in the US for now. If you don't like the terms and conditions then don't pay for the service. Access to the Internet is not a right. Buy a newspaper or a magazine. This has nothing to do with my contract with my ISP. This has a lot to do with whether or not ATT charges my ISP based on content, which will of course, trickle down to my cost. I'm not sure how to say it any more simply. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:53:02 -0700, jps wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:31:23 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:19:19 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:35:13 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:23:01 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:04:26 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:47:45 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:36:10 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:33:42 -0700, jps wrote: snipped That woman looked like she was experiencing the onset of an anal outburst. I love Al and I love Alan Grayson. What's with Dems named Al? I love Al Gore too, apart from how he runs campaigns. How is it possible for a person to "love" any politician? (It seems to be a sickening fetish similar to necrophilia.) Love doesn't exist on your end of the political spectrum, unless you count money. You consider that a reasonable declaration? On a primal, nascent level, I suspect that you don't really know what "love" is. You and most others in this NG don't display "love" in any sense of the word. What do you find wrong with it? Even "compassionate conservatives" send fellow citizens to war based on known false information. The only love the conservative movement displays is tough love, as in "pull yourself up by your bootstraps cause there ain't nobody who gives a **** once you're born." I'm sure there's so much love to spread around on Sundays and then Monday it's back to screwing others for your own. Didn't you say you were in the insurance business? I'm in the IT business, too. I also volunteer to help special-needs persons - this, without compensation, reward, or to assauge any speculated, deep-seated feelings of guilt. I have and do assist persons that most other people would avoid by walking on the other side of the street. (Do you do the same?) I'll return to a question I have asked of you before, which you failed to answer in any reasonable manner. Who are you to judge another? (And I'll wager that I'm compensated annually less than you are. I'll also wager that my income stream is less than yours.) Good for you!!! Weren't we talking about love and party affiliation? Are you a compassionate conservative and did you support GW Bush's pre-emptive war of choice? What percentage of the folks who "avoid" your friends do you suppose are Republicans? I'd expect it to be larger by at least the weight of a six pack or two. How much "love" do you have, jps? Do you volunteer your time for the unfortunate, the dispossessed, the disaffected, the pariah of our society? Or do you defer to "government" to do your lovin' for ya? Let's see the love, dude! Changing the subject. I'd be pleased to discuss my efforts towards the benefits of mankind but you haven't favored me with any real answers yet. So why should I invest in your inquiry when you haven't invested in mine? This is how it normally goes with you. I think a review of who first toke the path less relevant would yeild a contrary result. What is apparent to the sensible reader is that your declarations are far removed from reality, are not representative of the truth, and that by design. You are a propagandist and you are a minor one at that. You're traipsing around with your basket of radical blubs in remote newsgroups, far from the big-lights that the more notorious radicals, such as Michael Moore, enjoy. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:41:48 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:53:02 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:31:23 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:19:19 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:35:13 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:23:01 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:04:26 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:47:45 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:36:10 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:33:42 -0700, jps wrote: snipped That woman looked like she was experiencing the onset of an anal outburst. I love Al and I love Alan Grayson. What's with Dems named Al? I love Al Gore too, apart from how he runs campaigns. How is it possible for a person to "love" any politician? (It seems to be a sickening fetish similar to necrophilia.) Love doesn't exist on your end of the political spectrum, unless you count money. You consider that a reasonable declaration? On a primal, nascent level, I suspect that you don't really know what "love" is. You and most others in this NG don't display "love" in any sense of the word. What do you find wrong with it? Even "compassionate conservatives" send fellow citizens to war based on known false information. The only love the conservative movement displays is tough love, as in "pull yourself up by your bootstraps cause there ain't nobody who gives a **** once you're born." I'm sure there's so much love to spread around on Sundays and then Monday it's back to screwing others for your own. Didn't you say you were in the insurance business? I'm in the IT business, too. I also volunteer to help special-needs persons - this, without compensation, reward, or to assauge any speculated, deep-seated feelings of guilt. I have and do assist persons that most other people would avoid by walking on the other side of the street. (Do you do the same?) I'll return to a question I have asked of you before, which you failed to answer in any reasonable manner. Who are you to judge another? (And I'll wager that I'm compensated annually less than you are. I'll also wager that my income stream is less than yours.) Good for you!!! Weren't we talking about love and party affiliation? Are you a compassionate conservative and did you support GW Bush's pre-emptive war of choice? What percentage of the folks who "avoid" your friends do you suppose are Republicans? I'd expect it to be larger by at least the weight of a six pack or two. How much "love" do you have, jps? Do you volunteer your time for the unfortunate, the dispossessed, the disaffected, the pariah of our society? Or do you defer to "government" to do your lovin' for ya? Let's see the love, dude! Changing the subject. I'd be pleased to discuss my efforts towards the benefits of mankind but you haven't favored me with any real answers yet. So why should I invest in your inquiry when you haven't invested in mine? This is how it normally goes with you. I think a review of who first toke the path less relevant would yeild a contrary result. What is apparent to the sensible reader is that your declarations are far removed from reality, are not representative of the truth, and that by design. You are a propagandist and you are a minor one at that. You're traipsing around with your basket of radical blubs in remote newsgroups, far from the big-lights that the more notorious radicals, such as Michael Moore, enjoy. I'm sure your family understands you. |
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On 10/25/09 10:36 PM, jps wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:41:48 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:53:02 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:31:23 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:19:19 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:35:13 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:23:01 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:04:26 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:47:45 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:36:10 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:33:42 -0700, wrote: snipped That woman looked like she was experiencing the onset of an anal outburst. I love Al and I love Alan Grayson. What's with Dems named Al? I love Al Gore too, apart from how he runs campaigns. How is it possible for a person to "love" any politician? (It seems to be a sickening fetish similar to necrophilia.) Love doesn't exist on your end of the political spectrum, unless you count money. You consider that a reasonable declaration? On a primal, nascent level, I suspect that you don't really know what "love" is. You and most others in this NG don't display "love" in any sense of the word. What do you find wrong with it? Even "compassionate conservatives" send fellow citizens to war based on known false information. The only love the conservative movement displays is tough love, as in "pull yourself up by your bootstraps cause there ain't nobody who gives a **** once you're born." I'm sure there's so much love to spread around on Sundays and then Monday it's back to screwing others for your own. Didn't you say you were in the insurance business? I'm in the IT business, too. I also volunteer to help special-needs persons - this, without compensation, reward, or to assauge any speculated, deep-seated feelings of guilt. I have and do assist persons that most other people would avoid by walking on the other side of the street. (Do you do the same?) I'll return to a question I have asked of you before, which you failed to answer in any reasonable manner. Who are you to judge another? (And I'll wager that I'm compensated annually less than you are. I'll also wager that my income stream is less than yours.) Good for you!!! Weren't we talking about love and party affiliation? Are you a compassionate conservative and did you support GW Bush's pre-emptive war of choice? What percentage of the folks who "avoid" your friends do you suppose are Republicans? I'd expect it to be larger by at least the weight of a six pack or two. How much "love" do you have, jps? Do you volunteer your time for the unfortunate, the dispossessed, the disaffected, the pariah of our society? Or do you defer to "government" to do your lovin' for ya? Let's see the love, dude! Changing the subject. I'd be pleased to discuss my efforts towards the benefits of mankind but you haven't favored me with any real answers yet. So why should I invest in your inquiry when you haven't invested in mine? This is how it normally goes with you. I think a review of who first toke the path less relevant would yeild a contrary result. What is apparent to the sensible reader is that your declarations are far removed from reality, are not representative of the truth, and that by design. You are a propagandist and you are a minor one at that. You're traipsing around with your basket of radical blubs in remote newsgroups, far from the big-lights that the more notorious radicals, such as Michael Moore, enjoy. I'm sure your family understands you. You radical propagandist, you! |
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:38:06 -0400, H the K
wrote: On 10/25/09 10:36 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:41:48 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:53:02 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:31:23 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:19:19 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:35:13 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:23:01 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:04:26 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:47:45 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:36:10 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:33:42 -0700, wrote: snipped That woman looked like she was experiencing the onset of an anal outburst. I love Al and I love Alan Grayson. What's with Dems named Al? I love Al Gore too, apart from how he runs campaigns. How is it possible for a person to "love" any politician? (It seems to be a sickening fetish similar to necrophilia.) Love doesn't exist on your end of the political spectrum, unless you count money. You consider that a reasonable declaration? On a primal, nascent level, I suspect that you don't really know what "love" is. You and most others in this NG don't display "love" in any sense of the word. What do you find wrong with it? Even "compassionate conservatives" send fellow citizens to war based on known false information. The only love the conservative movement displays is tough love, as in "pull yourself up by your bootstraps cause there ain't nobody who gives a **** once you're born." I'm sure there's so much love to spread around on Sundays and then Monday it's back to screwing others for your own. Didn't you say you were in the insurance business? I'm in the IT business, too. I also volunteer to help special-needs persons - this, without compensation, reward, or to assauge any speculated, deep-seated feelings of guilt. I have and do assist persons that most other people would avoid by walking on the other side of the street. (Do you do the same?) I'll return to a question I have asked of you before, which you failed to answer in any reasonable manner. Who are you to judge another? (And I'll wager that I'm compensated annually less than you are. I'll also wager that my income stream is less than yours.) Good for you!!! Weren't we talking about love and party affiliation? Are you a compassionate conservative and did you support GW Bush's pre-emptive war of choice? What percentage of the folks who "avoid" your friends do you suppose are Republicans? I'd expect it to be larger by at least the weight of a six pack or two. How much "love" do you have, jps? Do you volunteer your time for the unfortunate, the dispossessed, the disaffected, the pariah of our society? Or do you defer to "government" to do your lovin' for ya? Let's see the love, dude! Changing the subject. I'd be pleased to discuss my efforts towards the benefits of mankind but you haven't favored me with any real answers yet. So why should I invest in your inquiry when you haven't invested in mine? This is how it normally goes with you. I think a review of who first toke the path less relevant would yeild a contrary result. What is apparent to the sensible reader is that your declarations are far removed from reality, are not representative of the truth, and that by design. You are a propagandist and you are a minor one at that. You're traipsing around with your basket of radical blubs in remote newsgroups, far from the big-lights that the more notorious radicals, such as Michael Moore, enjoy. I'm sure your family understands you. You radical propagandist, you! A minor radical propagandist. I'm guessing he's also convinced GW Bush was a compassionate conservative. |
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:36:50 -0700, jps wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:41:48 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:53:02 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:31:23 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:19:19 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:35:13 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:23:01 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:04:26 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:47:45 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:36:10 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:33:42 -0700, jps wrote: snipped That woman looked like she was experiencing the onset of an anal outburst. I love Al and I love Alan Grayson. What's with Dems named Al? I love Al Gore too, apart from how he runs campaigns. How is it possible for a person to "love" any politician? (It seems to be a sickening fetish similar to necrophilia.) Love doesn't exist on your end of the political spectrum, unless you count money. You consider that a reasonable declaration? On a primal, nascent level, I suspect that you don't really know what "love" is. You and most others in this NG don't display "love" in any sense of the word. What do you find wrong with it? Even "compassionate conservatives" send fellow citizens to war based on known false information. The only love the conservative movement displays is tough love, as in "pull yourself up by your bootstraps cause there ain't nobody who gives a **** once you're born." I'm sure there's so much love to spread around on Sundays and then Monday it's back to screwing others for your own. Didn't you say you were in the insurance business? I'm in the IT business, too. I also volunteer to help special-needs persons - this, without compensation, reward, or to assauge any speculated, deep-seated feelings of guilt. I have and do assist persons that most other people would avoid by walking on the other side of the street. (Do you do the same?) I'll return to a question I have asked of you before, which you failed to answer in any reasonable manner. Who are you to judge another? (And I'll wager that I'm compensated annually less than you are. I'll also wager that my income stream is less than yours.) Good for you!!! Weren't we talking about love and party affiliation? Are you a compassionate conservative and did you support GW Bush's pre-emptive war of choice? What percentage of the folks who "avoid" your friends do you suppose are Republicans? I'd expect it to be larger by at least the weight of a six pack or two. How much "love" do you have, jps? Do you volunteer your time for the unfortunate, the dispossessed, the disaffected, the pariah of our society? Or do you defer to "government" to do your lovin' for ya? Let's see the love, dude! Changing the subject. I'd be pleased to discuss my efforts towards the benefits of mankind but you haven't favored me with any real answers yet. So why should I invest in your inquiry when you haven't invested in mine? This is how it normally goes with you. I think a review of who first toke the path less relevant would yeild a contrary result. What is apparent to the sensible reader is that your declarations are far removed from reality, are not representative of the truth, and that by design. You are a propagandist and you are a minor one at that. You're traipsing around with your basket of radical blubs in remote newsgroups, far from the big-lights that the more notorious radicals, such as Michael Moore, enjoy. I'm sure your family understands you. "toke the path"? I was bleary-eyed last night. I would recommend that you avoid reading C.S. Lewis' "The Abolition of Man" if you have problems comprehending what I write. Then again, I suspect that if you or HK were able to comprehend "The Abolition of Man," any acerbic and witty rebuttal that either of you issued against it would fall as short as all of your other lackluster "blurbs." Enjoy. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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On Oct 23, 3:01*pm, H the K wrote:
On 10/23/09 2:59 PM, Tosk wrote: In article2ef106b5-d7e9-4828-b17c-a81867c40438 @l33g2000vbi.googlegroups.com, says... On Oct 23, 2:35 pm, H the *wrote: On 10/23/09 8:00 AM, Don White wrote: * *wrote in message ... * *wrote in message ... In , says... * *wrote in message l-september.org... In , says... * *wrote in message news:ogv1e5daol0mtq4tvk427egoc99h2r4269@4 ax.com... On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:21:19 -0400, H the K * *wrote: On 10/22/09 8:12 PM, Tosk wrote: In , says... "John * * wrote in message news:ohi1e556035gm39m55nal9rf5m9oqln7 ... On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:53:34 -0700, wrote: Senator Al makes the whole room split their guts!!! Damn its great to have a comedian in the Senate... Only a liberal could make such a statement. Here he is again... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M84Q6...eature=related What an ignorant ****... Yes, you are. The Freak is calling Franken an ignorant ****. Franken has more synapses in the dead skin cells under his fingernails... Franken is a pretty smart guy. He's probably one of the smartest if not the smartest senator, of course, that's not saying much.... puleeeeaaseeee. He was and is a joke... Kinda' like calling the pending censorship doctrine, the "fairness" doctrine... Puleeasee.. He's smarter than both of us put together... umm... well, he's smarter. Ohhhh... back to the "fairness" doctrine? Did you run out of rants about healthcare reform being bad for Americans? They voted on the censorship doctrine today, with no debate, and behind closed doors just like Obama swore during the campaign, he wouldn't do... In that case, why are you able to post? -- Nom=de=Plume ~~ Snerk ~~ In a minute he'll be accusing you of hiding under a desk The funny thing is, it's the little **** Scott Ingersoll and his equally idiotic buddy, "Loogy," who are doing the hiding.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'll be seeing you this spring, Harry. Pffftt. Everybody here has been watching the pink army hide for years, not like they are fooling anybody.. Ohhhh. Is loogy planning to break into my house?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey, dumb ass. Where did I ever say such a thing? What a scared fat pussy boy you are! |
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On Oct 26, 10:29*am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Oct 23, 3:01*pm, H the K wrote: On 10/23/09 2:59 PM, Tosk wrote: In article2ef106b5-d7e9-4828-b17c-a81867c40438 @l33g2000vbi.googlegroups.com, says... On Oct 23, 2:35 pm, H the *wrote: On 10/23/09 8:00 AM, Don White wrote: * *wrote in message ... * *wrote in message ... In , says... * *wrote in message l-september.org... In , says... * *wrote in message news:ogv1e5daol0mtq4tvk427egoc99h2r4269@4 ax.com... On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:21:19 -0400, H the K * *wrote: On 10/22/09 8:12 PM, Tosk wrote: In , says... "John * * wrote in message news:ohi1e556035gm39m55nal9rf5m9oqln7 ... On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:53:34 -0700, wrote: Senator Al makes the whole room split their guts!!! Damn its great to have a comedian in the Senate... Only a liberal could make such a statement. Here he is again... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M84Q6...eature=related What an ignorant ****... Yes, you are. The Freak is calling Franken an ignorant ****. Franken has more synapses in the dead skin cells under his fingernails... Franken is a pretty smart guy. He's probably one of the smartest if not the smartest senator, of course, that's not saying much.... puleeeeaaseeee. He was and is a joke... Kinda' like calling the pending censorship doctrine, the "fairness" doctrine... Puleeasee.. He's smarter than both of us put together... umm... well, he's smarter. Ohhhh... back to the "fairness" doctrine? Did you run out of rants about healthcare reform being bad for Americans? They voted on the censorship doctrine today, with no debate, and behind closed doors just like Obama swore during the campaign, he wouldn't do... In that case, why are you able to post? -- Nom=de=Plume ~~ Snerk ~~ In a minute he'll be accusing you of hiding under a desk The funny thing is, it's the little **** Scott Ingersoll and his equally idiotic buddy, "Loogy," who are doing the hiding.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'll be seeing you this spring, Harry. Pffftt. Everybody here has been watching the pink army hide for years, not like they are fooling anybody.. Ohhhh. Is loogy planning to break into my house?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey, dumb ass. Where did I ever say such a thing? What a scared fat pussy boy you are! He is getting scared now.. Bet he won't come to the door. Although I have considered taking him out of my filters so I can watch him cry and shake waiting for you and "that other guy" to find him... |
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On 10/26/09 10:32 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Oct 26, 10:29 am, wrote: On Oct 23, 3:01 pm, H the wrote: On 10/23/09 2:59 PM, Tosk wrote: In article2ef106b5-d7e9-4828-b17c-a81867c40438 @l33g2000vbi.googlegroups.com, says... On Oct 23, 2:35 pm, H the wrote: On 10/23/09 8:00 AM, Don White wrote: wrote in message ... wrote in message ... In , says... wrote in message ... In , says... wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:21:19 -0400, H the K wrote: On 10/22/09 8:12 PM, Tosk wrote: In , says... "John wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:53:34 -0700, wrote: Senator Al makes the whole room split their guts!!! Damn its great to have a comedian in the Senate... Only a liberal could make such a statement. Here he is again... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M84Q6...eature=related What an ignorant ****... Yes, you are. The Freak is calling Franken an ignorant ****. Franken has more synapses in the dead skin cells under his fingernails... Franken is a pretty smart guy. He's probably one of the smartest if not the smartest senator, of course, that's not saying much.... puleeeeaaseeee. He was and is a joke... Kinda' like calling the pending censorship doctrine, the "fairness" doctrine... Puleeasee.. He's smarter than both of us put together... umm... well, he's smarter. Ohhhh... back to the "fairness" doctrine? Did you run out of rants about healthcare reform being bad for Americans? They voted on the censorship doctrine today, with no debate, and behind closed doors just like Obama swore during the campaign, he wouldn't do... In that case, why are you able to post? -- Nom=de=Plume ~~ Snerk ~~ In a minute he'll be accusing you of hiding under a desk The funny thing is, it's the little **** Scott Ingersoll and his equally idiotic buddy, "Loogy," who are doing the hiding.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'll be seeing you this spring, Harry. Pffftt. Everybody here has been watching the pink army hide for years, not like they are fooling anybody.. Ohhhh. Is loogy planning to break into my house?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey, dumb ass. Where did I ever say such a thing? What a scared fat pussy boy you are! He is getting scared now.. Bet he won't come to the door. Although I have considered taking him out of my filters so I can watch him cry and shake waiting for you and "that other guy" to find him... Scared? Of you or your pants-wetting moron butt buddy Loogy? Another funny. What happens when I open the door? Do you or loogy "bust" in? If you do, you'll be dropped in your tracks. |
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... On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:36:50 -0700, jps wrote: On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:41:48 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:53:02 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:31:23 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:19:19 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:35:13 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:23:01 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:04:26 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:47:45 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:36:10 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:33:42 -0700, jps wrote: snipped That woman looked like she was experiencing the onset of an anal outburst. I love Al and I love Alan Grayson. What's with Dems named Al? I love Al Gore too, apart from how he runs campaigns. How is it possible for a person to "love" any politician? (It seems to be a sickening fetish similar to necrophilia.) Love doesn't exist on your end of the political spectrum, unless you count money. You consider that a reasonable declaration? On a primal, nascent level, I suspect that you don't really know what "love" is. You and most others in this NG don't display "love" in any sense of the word. What do you find wrong with it? Even "compassionate conservatives" send fellow citizens to war based on known false information. The only love the conservative movement displays is tough love, as in "pull yourself up by your bootstraps cause there ain't nobody who gives a **** once you're born." I'm sure there's so much love to spread around on Sundays and then Monday it's back to screwing others for your own. Didn't you say you were in the insurance business? I'm in the IT business, too. I also volunteer to help special-needs persons - this, without compensation, reward, or to assauge any speculated, deep-seated feelings of guilt. I have and do assist persons that most other people would avoid by walking on the other side of the street. (Do you do the same?) I'll return to a question I have asked of you before, which you failed to answer in any reasonable manner. Who are you to judge another? (And I'll wager that I'm compensated annually less than you are. I'll also wager that my income stream is less than yours.) Good for you!!! Weren't we talking about love and party affiliation? Are you a compassionate conservative and did you support GW Bush's pre-emptive war of choice? What percentage of the folks who "avoid" your friends do you suppose are Republicans? I'd expect it to be larger by at least the weight of a six pack or two. How much "love" do you have, jps? Do you volunteer your time for the unfortunate, the dispossessed, the disaffected, the pariah of our society? Or do you defer to "government" to do your lovin' for ya? Let's see the love, dude! Changing the subject. I'd be pleased to discuss my efforts towards the benefits of mankind but you haven't favored me with any real answers yet. So why should I invest in your inquiry when you haven't invested in mine? This is how it normally goes with you. I think a review of who first toke the path less relevant would yeild a contrary result. What is apparent to the sensible reader is that your declarations are far removed from reality, are not representative of the truth, and that by design. You are a propagandist and you are a minor one at that. You're traipsing around with your basket of radical blubs in remote newsgroups, far from the big-lights that the more notorious radicals, such as Michael Moore, enjoy. I'm sure your family understands you. "toke the path"? I was bleary-eyed last night. I would recommend that you avoid reading C.S. Lewis' "The Abolition of Man" if you have problems comprehending what I write. Then again, I suspect that if you or HK were able to comprehend "The Abolition of Man," any acerbic and witty rebuttal that either of you issued against it would fall as short as all of your other lackluster "blurbs." I don't recall reading this CS Lewis book, but I really enjoyed the space trilogy, and I most enjoyed (and remember) Out of the Silent Planet (apologies to Harry... it's just a coincidence). EM -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:30:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: snipped for the salvation of bandwidth I'm in the IT business, too. I also volunteer to help special-needs persons - this, without compensation, reward, or to assauge any speculated, deep-seated feelings of guilt. I have and do assist persons that most other people would avoid by walking on the other side of the street. (Do you do the same?) I'll return to a question I have asked of you before, which you failed to answer in any reasonable manner. Who are you to judge another? (And I'll wager that I'm compensated annually less than you are. I'll also wager that my income stream is less than yours.) Good for you!!! Weren't we talking about love and party affiliation? Are you a compassionate conservative and did you support GW Bush's pre-emptive war of choice? What percentage of the folks who "avoid" your friends do you suppose are Republicans? I'd expect it to be larger by at least the weight of a six pack or two. How much "love" do you have, jps? Do you volunteer your time for the unfortunate, the dispossessed, the disaffected, the pariah of our society? Or do you defer to "government" to do your lovin' for ya? Let's see the love, dude! Changing the subject. I'd be pleased to discuss my efforts towards the benefits of mankind but you haven't favored me with any real answers yet. So why should I invest in your inquiry when you haven't invested in mine? This is how it normally goes with you. I think a review of who first toke the path less relevant would yeild a contrary result. What is apparent to the sensible reader is that your declarations are far removed from reality, are not representative of the truth, and that by design. You are a propagandist and you are a minor one at that. You're traipsing around with your basket of radical blubs in remote newsgroups, far from the big-lights that the more notorious radicals, such as Michael Moore, enjoy. I'm sure your family understands you. "toke the path"? I was bleary-eyed last night. I would recommend that you avoid reading C.S. Lewis' "The Abolition of Man" if you have problems comprehending what I write. Then again, I suspect that if you or HK were able to comprehend "The Abolition of Man," any acerbic and witty rebuttal that either of you issued against it would fall as short as all of your other lackluster "blurbs." I don't recall reading this CS Lewis book, but I really enjoyed the space trilogy, and I most enjoyed (and remember) Out of the Silent Planet (apologies to Harry... it's just a coincidence). EM It's more of a philosophical work, em. I haven't read much of C.S. Lewis fiction (one Narnia novel and "The Screwtape Letters," an epistolary). I've read more of his religious and philosophical works, the most difficult to negotiate being "The Abolition of Man," and the most poignant being, imo, "The Problem of Pain." The man was an estimable apologist. And I may be being a bit brutal in this opinion; but, I doubt that either JPS or H the K possess the prowess or acumen to fully absorb it, considering their respectively unremarkable intellectual demonstrations in this NG. That's why the most you'll see from either in a criticism of his work is a "pithy" blurb. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:09:26 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:01:53 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:30:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: snipped for the salvation of bandwidth I'm in the IT business, too. I also volunteer to help special-needs persons - this, without compensation, reward, or to assauge any speculated, deep-seated feelings of guilt. I have and do assist persons that most other people would avoid by walking on the other side of the street. (Do you do the same?) I'll return to a question I have asked of you before, which you failed to answer in any reasonable manner. Who are you to judge another? (And I'll wager that I'm compensated annually less than you are. I'll also wager that my income stream is less than yours.) Good for you!!! Weren't we talking about love and party affiliation? Are you a compassionate conservative and did you support GW Bush's pre-emptive war of choice? What percentage of the folks who "avoid" your friends do you suppose are Republicans? I'd expect it to be larger by at least the weight of a six pack or two. How much "love" do you have, jps? Do you volunteer your time for the unfortunate, the dispossessed, the disaffected, the pariah of our society? Or do you defer to "government" to do your lovin' for ya? Let's see the love, dude! Changing the subject. I'd be pleased to discuss my efforts towards the benefits of mankind but you haven't favored me with any real answers yet. So why should I invest in your inquiry when you haven't invested in mine? This is how it normally goes with you. I think a review of who first toke the path less relevant would yeild a contrary result. What is apparent to the sensible reader is that your declarations are far removed from reality, are not representative of the truth, and that by design. You are a propagandist and you are a minor one at that. You're traipsing around with your basket of radical blubs in remote newsgroups, far from the big-lights that the more notorious radicals, such as Michael Moore, enjoy. I'm sure your family understands you. "toke the path"? I was bleary-eyed last night. I would recommend that you avoid reading C.S. Lewis' "The Abolition of Man" if you have problems comprehending what I write. Then again, I suspect that if you or HK were able to comprehend "The Abolition of Man," any acerbic and witty rebuttal that either of you issued against it would fall as short as all of your other lackluster "blurbs." I don't recall reading this CS Lewis book, but I really enjoyed the space trilogy, and I most enjoyed (and remember) Out of the Silent Planet (apologies to Harry... it's just a coincidence). EM It's more of a philosophical work, em. I haven't read much of C.S. Lewis fiction (one Narnia novel and "The Screwtape Letters," an epistolary). I've read more of his religious and philosophical works, the most difficult to negotiate being "The Abolition of Man," and the most poignant being, imo, "The Problem of Pain." The man was an estimable apologist. And I may be being a bit brutal in this opinion; but, I doubt that either JPS or H the K possess the prowess or acumen to fully absorb it, considering their respectively unremarkable intellectual demonstrations in this NG. That's why the most you'll see from either in a criticism of his work is a "pithy" blurb. I had wanted to add, too, Em, that "The Problem of Pain" is a bit of an exercise in theodicy. It's worth a read, even for those that don't subscribe to any faith in particular. Harry was right when he said overwrought. You need to get over yourself. You're exactly like a young jazz musician who knows how to play a lot of notes but hasn't yet discovered it's the spaces that count. Until then, I expect we'll be seeing more missives from the Ponderosa. Maybe you should ask Hoss to help you pull the stick out. And I'm not talking about the one in your eye. |
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On Oct 26, 10:48*am, H the K wrote:
On 10/26/09 10:32 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On Oct 26, 10:29 am, *wrote: On Oct 23, 3:01 pm, H the *wrote: On 10/23/09 2:59 PM, Tosk wrote: In article2ef106b5-d7e9-4828-b17c-a81867c40438 @l33g2000vbi.googlegroups.com, says... On Oct 23, 2:35 pm, H the * *wrote: On 10/23/09 8:00 AM, Don White wrote: * * *wrote in message ... * * *wrote in message l-september.org... In , says... * * *wrote in message rnal-september.org... In , says... * * *wrote in message news:ogv1e5daol0mtq4tvk427egoc99h2r426 ... On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:21:19 -0400, H the K * * *wrote: On 10/22/09 8:12 PM, Tosk wrote: In , says... "John * * * wrote in message news:ohi1e556035gm39m55nal9rf5m9oq ... On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:53:34 -0700, wrote: Senator Al makes the whole room split their guts!!! Damn its great to have a comedian in the Senate... Only a liberal could make such a statement. Here he is again... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M84Q6...eature=related What an ignorant ****... Yes, you are. The Freak is calling Franken an ignorant ****. Franken has more synapses in the dead skin cells under his fingernails... Franken is a pretty smart guy. He's probably one of the smartest if not the smartest senator, of course, that's not saying much.... puleeeeaaseeee. He was and is a joke... Kinda' like calling the pending censorship doctrine, the "fairness" doctrine... Puleeasee.. He's smarter than both of us put together... umm.... well, he's smarter. Ohhhh... back to the "fairness" doctrine? Did you run out of rants about healthcare reform being bad for Americans? They voted on the censorship doctrine today, with no debate, and behind closed doors just like Obama swore during the campaign, he wouldn't do... In that case, why are you able to post? -- Nom=de=Plume ~~ Snerk ~~ In a minute he'll be accusing you of hiding under a desk The funny thing is, it's the little **** Scott Ingersoll and his equally idiotic buddy, "Loogy," who are doing the hiding.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'll be seeing you this spring, Harry. Pffftt. Everybody here has been watching the pink army hide for years, not like they are fooling anybody.. Ohhhh. Is loogy planning to break into my house?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey, dumb ass. Where did I ever say such a thing? What a scared fat pussy boy you are! He is getting scared now.. Bet he won't come to the door. Although I have considered taking him out of my filters so I can watch him cry and shake waiting for you and "that other guy" to find him... Scared? Of you or your pants-wetting moron butt buddy Loogy? Another funny. What happens when I open the door? Do you or loogy "bust" in? If you do, you'll be dropped in your tracks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We'll see this spring fat boy! "Bust in"? Are you admitting that when I show up at your door that you'll chicken out? I can't WAIT to report to every single person here just how you act when I show up!! |
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... On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:01:53 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:30:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: snipped for the salvation of bandwidth I'm in the IT business, too. I also volunteer to help special-needs persons - this, without compensation, reward, or to assauge any speculated, deep-seated feelings of guilt. I have and do assist persons that most other people would avoid by walking on the other side of the street. (Do you do the same?) I'll return to a question I have asked of you before, which you failed to answer in any reasonable manner. Who are you to judge another? (And I'll wager that I'm compensated annually less than you are. I'll also wager that my income stream is less than yours.) Good for you!!! Weren't we talking about love and party affiliation? Are you a compassionate conservative and did you support GW Bush's pre-emptive war of choice? What percentage of the folks who "avoid" your friends do you suppose are Republicans? I'd expect it to be larger by at least the weight of a six pack or two. How much "love" do you have, jps? Do you volunteer your time for the unfortunate, the dispossessed, the disaffected, the pariah of our society? Or do you defer to "government" to do your lovin' for ya? Let's see the love, dude! Changing the subject. I'd be pleased to discuss my efforts towards the benefits of mankind but you haven't favored me with any real answers yet. So why should I invest in your inquiry when you haven't invested in mine? This is how it normally goes with you. I think a review of who first toke the path less relevant would yeild a contrary result. What is apparent to the sensible reader is that your declarations are far removed from reality, are not representative of the truth, and that by design. You are a propagandist and you are a minor one at that. You're traipsing around with your basket of radical blubs in remote newsgroups, far from the big-lights that the more notorious radicals, such as Michael Moore, enjoy. I'm sure your family understands you. "toke the path"? I was bleary-eyed last night. I would recommend that you avoid reading C.S. Lewis' "The Abolition of Man" if you have problems comprehending what I write. Then again, I suspect that if you or HK were able to comprehend "The Abolition of Man," any acerbic and witty rebuttal that either of you issued against it would fall as short as all of your other lackluster "blurbs." I don't recall reading this CS Lewis book, but I really enjoyed the space trilogy, and I most enjoyed (and remember) Out of the Silent Planet (apologies to Harry... it's just a coincidence). EM It's more of a philosophical work, em. I haven't read much of C.S. Lewis fiction (one Narnia novel and "The Screwtape Letters," an epistolary). I've read more of his religious and philosophical works, the most difficult to negotiate being "The Abolition of Man," and the most poignant being, imo, "The Problem of Pain." The man was an estimable apologist. And I may be being a bit brutal in this opinion; but, I doubt that either JPS or H the K possess the prowess or acumen to fully absorb it, considering their respectively unremarkable intellectual demonstrations in this NG. That's why the most you'll see from either in a criticism of his work is a "pithy" blurb. I had wanted to add, too, Em, that "The Problem of Pain" is a bit of an exercise in theodicy. It's worth a read, even for those that don't subscribe to any faith in particular. Sometimes, I don't mind a pithy response. :) I can understand God's goodness in the face of many things (all things I suppose), but I don't subscribe to the notion of evil (this puts me at odds with lots of religious people of course). I guess I've struggled with this for a long while, but I've concluded that there doesn't have to be the duality of good and evil for good to exist. Bad certainly exists, but I don't believe in evil. Even bad people can be do good in select circumstances. Certainly, the reverse is true. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:28:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:01:53 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:30:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: snipped for the salvation of bandwidth I'm in the IT business, too. I also volunteer to help special-needs persons - this, without compensation, reward, or to assauge any speculated, deep-seated feelings of guilt. I have and do assist persons that most other people would avoid by walking on the other side of the street. (Do you do the same?) I'll return to a question I have asked of you before, which you failed to answer in any reasonable manner. Who are you to judge another? (And I'll wager that I'm compensated annually less than you are. I'll also wager that my income stream is less than yours.) Good for you!!! Weren't we talking about love and party affiliation? Are you a compassionate conservative and did you support GW Bush's pre-emptive war of choice? What percentage of the folks who "avoid" your friends do you suppose are Republicans? I'd expect it to be larger by at least the weight of a six pack or two. How much "love" do you have, jps? Do you volunteer your time for the unfortunate, the dispossessed, the disaffected, the pariah of our society? Or do you defer to "government" to do your lovin' for ya? Let's see the love, dude! Changing the subject. I'd be pleased to discuss my efforts towards the benefits of mankind but you haven't favored me with any real answers yet. So why should I invest in your inquiry when you haven't invested in mine? This is how it normally goes with you. I think a review of who first toke the path less relevant would yeild a contrary result. What is apparent to the sensible reader is that your declarations are far removed from reality, are not representative of the truth, and that by design. You are a propagandist and you are a minor one at that. You're traipsing around with your basket of radical blubs in remote newsgroups, far from the big-lights that the more notorious radicals, such as Michael Moore, enjoy. I'm sure your family understands you. "toke the path"? I was bleary-eyed last night. I would recommend that you avoid reading C.S. Lewis' "The Abolition of Man" if you have problems comprehending what I write. Then again, I suspect that if you or HK were able to comprehend "The Abolition of Man," any acerbic and witty rebuttal that either of you issued against it would fall as short as all of your other lackluster "blurbs." I don't recall reading this CS Lewis book, but I really enjoyed the space trilogy, and I most enjoyed (and remember) Out of the Silent Planet (apologies to Harry... it's just a coincidence). EM It's more of a philosophical work, em. I haven't read much of C.S. Lewis fiction (one Narnia novel and "The Screwtape Letters," an epistolary). I've read more of his religious and philosophical works, the most difficult to negotiate being "The Abolition of Man," and the most poignant being, imo, "The Problem of Pain." The man was an estimable apologist. And I may be being a bit brutal in this opinion; but, I doubt that either JPS or H the K possess the prowess or acumen to fully absorb it, considering their respectively unremarkable intellectual demonstrations in this NG. That's why the most you'll see from either in a criticism of his work is a "pithy" blurb. I had wanted to add, too, Em, that "The Problem of Pain" is a bit of an exercise in theodicy. It's worth a read, even for those that don't subscribe to any faith in particular. Sometimes, I don't mind a pithy response. :) Actually, I don't either :). It's just that some comments feign 'pith' when there is little there to show for it. I can understand God's goodness in the face of many things (all things I suppose), but I don't subscribe to the notion of evil (this puts me at odds with lots of religious people of course). I guess I've struggled with this for a long while, but I've concluded that there doesn't have to be the duality of good and evil for good to exist. Bad certainly exists, but I don't believe in evil. Even bad people can be do good in select circumstances. Certainly, the reverse is true. At least you've invested some thought in the issue. That's more than many others do. I think that when the discussion comes up, the terms need to be clearly defined. It can be asserted that 'good' has no meaning if there isn't 'evil.' The one is defined in some part by the other. I wish I had finished G. E. Moore's "Principia Ethica." I had started it last winter, and I put it down in the middle of his defining "good." Maybe I'll be able to finish it when I retire, if I ever get that far :) -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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Until then, I expect we'll be seeing more missives from the Ponderosa. You're right, guy. I'm deliberately stodgy. And I sincerely don't care. Whether I'm stodgy or casual, you folks will still employ your ad homs, strawmen, red herrings, and assorted fallacies. And you, H the K, and w3f will never be intellectually honest enough to do otherwise. That or you're all intellectually "dilatory." If you're to 'lazy' to look that one up, I'll volunteer to do it for you. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dilatory Enjoy. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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snipped contrarily Until then, I expect we'll be seeing more missives from the Ponderosa. You're right, guy. I'm deliberately stodgy. And I sincerely don't care. Whether I'm stodgy or casual, you folks will still employ your ad homs, strawmen, red herrings, and assorted fallacies. And you, H the K, and w3f will never be intellectually honest enough to do otherwise. That or you're all intellectually "dilatory." If you're to 'lazy' to look that one up, I'll volunteer to do it for you. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dilatory Enjoy. Oh, you should be running Scientology. You're so dang clear! I think you can leave stodgy out. You're deliberately taxing. |
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... On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:28:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:01:53 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:30:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: snipped for the salvation of bandwidth I'm in the IT business, too. I also volunteer to help special-needs persons - this, without compensation, reward, or to assauge any speculated, deep-seated feelings of guilt. I have and do assist persons that most other people would avoid by walking on the other side of the street. (Do you do the same?) I'll return to a question I have asked of you before, which you failed to answer in any reasonable manner. Who are you to judge another? (And I'll wager that I'm compensated annually less than you are. I'll also wager that my income stream is less than yours.) Good for you!!! Weren't we talking about love and party affiliation? Are you a compassionate conservative and did you support GW Bush's pre-emptive war of choice? What percentage of the folks who "avoid" your friends do you suppose are Republicans? I'd expect it to be larger by at least the weight of a six pack or two. How much "love" do you have, jps? Do you volunteer your time for the unfortunate, the dispossessed, the disaffected, the pariah of our society? Or do you defer to "government" to do your lovin' for ya? Let's see the love, dude! Changing the subject. I'd be pleased to discuss my efforts towards the benefits of mankind but you haven't favored me with any real answers yet. So why should I invest in your inquiry when you haven't invested in mine? This is how it normally goes with you. I think a review of who first toke the path less relevant would yeild a contrary result. What is apparent to the sensible reader is that your declarations are far removed from reality, are not representative of the truth, and that by design. You are a propagandist and you are a minor one at that. You're traipsing around with your basket of radical blubs in remote newsgroups, far from the big-lights that the more notorious radicals, such as Michael Moore, enjoy. I'm sure your family understands you. "toke the path"? I was bleary-eyed last night. I would recommend that you avoid reading C.S. Lewis' "The Abolition of Man" if you have problems comprehending what I write. Then again, I suspect that if you or HK were able to comprehend "The Abolition of Man," any acerbic and witty rebuttal that either of you issued against it would fall as short as all of your other lackluster "blurbs." I don't recall reading this CS Lewis book, but I really enjoyed the space trilogy, and I most enjoyed (and remember) Out of the Silent Planet (apologies to Harry... it's just a coincidence). EM It's more of a philosophical work, em. I haven't read much of C.S. Lewis fiction (one Narnia novel and "The Screwtape Letters," an epistolary). I've read more of his religious and philosophical works, the most difficult to negotiate being "The Abolition of Man," and the most poignant being, imo, "The Problem of Pain." The man was an estimable apologist. And I may be being a bit brutal in this opinion; but, I doubt that either JPS or H the K possess the prowess or acumen to fully absorb it, considering their respectively unremarkable intellectual demonstrations in this NG. That's why the most you'll see from either in a criticism of his work is a "pithy" blurb. I had wanted to add, too, Em, that "The Problem of Pain" is a bit of an exercise in theodicy. It's worth a read, even for those that don't subscribe to any faith in particular. Sometimes, I don't mind a pithy response. :) Actually, I don't either :). It's just that some comments feign 'pith' when there is little there to show for it. I can understand God's goodness in the face of many things (all things I suppose), but I don't subscribe to the notion of evil (this puts me at odds with lots of religious people of course). I guess I've struggled with this for a long while, but I've concluded that there doesn't have to be the duality of good and evil for good to exist. Bad certainly exists, but I don't believe in evil. Even bad people can be do good in select circumstances. Certainly, the reverse is true. At least you've invested some thought in the issue. That's more than many others do. I think that when the discussion comes up, the terms need to be clearly defined. It can be asserted that 'good' has no meaning if there isn't 'evil.' The one is defined in some part by the other. I wish I had finished G. E. Moore's "Principia Ethica." I had started it last winter, and I put it down in the middle of his defining "good." Maybe I'll be able to finish it when I retire, if I ever get that far :) That's certainly one way to look at it, but if you believe that God can only be good (to the the tune of Johnny Be Good of course), is all powerful, and all knowing, then how can evil really exist? Not to be too heavy about it, but it's more on par with Plato than Aristotle, the latter of which bores me, so I tend to dislike and discount his arguments. So, if I make a logical argument, but I mis-spell a word, the logical argument is "good," but does that make the mis-spelling evil? I claim it's bad but not evil. Maybe that's a stretch. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 10/26/09 5:09 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:44:39 -0500, wrote: At least you've invested some thought in the issue. That's more than many others do. I think that when the discussion comes up, the terms need to be clearly defined. It can be asserted that 'good' has no meaning if there isn't 'evil.' The one is defined in some part by the other. I wish I had finished G. E. Moore's "Principia Ethica." I had started it last winter, and I put it down in the middle of his defining "good." Maybe I'll be able to finish it when I retire, if I ever get that far :) I'll save you the trouble. "Good" is BBQ baby back ribs. --Vic Eh... "Good" - non-diseased raw cherrystone clams on the half shell but sadly not worth risking one's health over these days. "Almost" as good - cherrystone clam steamers with melted butter and salty clam broth. "Very good" - steamed two pound Maine lobster. "Very good" - real deal Marseille Bouillabaisse "Good" - but a fading memory, terrific barbecue from Arthur Bryant's Barbecue in Kansas City, *especially* when watching Charley Finley's K.C. Athletics play a few blocks away in the old municipal stadium. The K.C. Star's sports team at the game almost always sent a copy boy over the Bryant's during the fifth inning to bring back a huge order for everyone in the press box. If it was a slow news night, I could almost always convince the night city editor to send me to the game to write a crowd color story. |
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... On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:44:39 -0500, wrote: At least you've invested some thought in the issue. That's more than many others do. I think that when the discussion comes up, the terms need to be clearly defined. It can be asserted that 'good' has no meaning if there isn't 'evil.' The one is defined in some part by the other. I wish I had finished G. E. Moore's "Principia Ethica." I had started it last winter, and I put it down in the middle of his defining "good." Maybe I'll be able to finish it when I retire, if I ever get that far :) I'll save you the trouble. "Good" is BBQ baby back ribs. --Vic Heh... I'll take some potato salad with that. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:31:48 -0400, H the K
wrote: "Good" - but a fading memory, terrific barbecue from Arthur Bryant's Barbecue in Kansas City, *especially* when watching Charley Finley's K.C. Athletics play a few blocks away in the old municipal stadium. A really drastic diversion here. One of the best laughs I ever has was when George Brett came on the field out to play with the Royals after his surgery for hemorrhoids.. Think he was vying for the hitting title. Lots of speculation whether he was ready to play or not. He waddled out of the dugout. The announcers kept their cool, but I laughed like hell. Forgot all about that. --Vic |
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On 10/26/09 6:05 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:31:48 -0400, H the K wrote: "Good" - but a fading memory, terrific barbecue from Arthur Bryant's Barbecue in Kansas City, *especially* when watching Charley Finley's K.C. Athletics play a few blocks away in the old municipal stadium. A really drastic diversion here. One of the best laughs I ever has was when George Brett came on the field out to play with the Royals after his surgery for hemorrhoids.. Think he was vying for the hitting title. Lots of speculation whether he was ready to play or not. He waddled out of the dugout. The announcers kept their cool, but I laughed like hell. Forgot all about that. --Vic It was always great fun watching the "A's," even with their crappy w/l record. I was gone from KC by the time the Royals started up. But...and this is a good connection, I did attend get to "cover" the American Royal for a few years as a reporter, and some of my fondest memories were of the table-sized (well, they looked that big) steaks served during the Royal by the American Hereford Assn. Got one of the best stories I ever wrote for The Star at an AHA meeting. |
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:09:30 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:44:39 -0500, wrote: At least you've invested some thought in the issue. That's more than many others do. I think that when the discussion comes up, the terms need to be clearly defined. It can be asserted that 'good' has no meaning if there isn't 'evil.' The one is defined in some part by the other. I wish I had finished G. E. Moore's "Principia Ethica." I had started it last winter, and I put it down in the middle of his defining "good." Maybe I'll be able to finish it when I retire, if I ever get that far :) I'll save you the trouble. "Good" is BBQ baby back ribs. --Vic Nah, that's not good. Good is Tafërtingen Dunkel beer, Jagermiester schnapps, roast chicken, and bratwurst at the Augsburg October fest. Now that's the epitome of "good." Of course a Saturday evening at the Hofbräuhaus in Munich comes close. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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On 10/26/09 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:09:30 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:44:39 -0500, wrote: At least you've invested some thought in the issue. That's more than many others do. I think that when the discussion comes up, the terms need to be clearly defined. It can be asserted that 'good' has no meaning if there isn't 'evil.' The one is defined in some part by the other. I wish I had finished G. E. Moore's "Principia Ethica." I had started it last winter, and I put it down in the middle of his defining "good." Maybe I'll be able to finish it when I retire, if I ever get that far :) I'll save you the trouble. "Good" is BBQ baby back ribs. --Vic Nah, that's not good. Good is Tafërtingen Dunkel beer, Jagermiester schnapps, roast chicken, and bratwurst at the Augsburg October fest. Now that's the epitome of "good." Of course a Saturday evening at the Hofbräuhaus in Munich comes close. Too...German. |
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:59:32 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:28:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:01:53 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:30:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: snipped for the salvation of bandwidth I'm in the IT business, too. I also volunteer to help special-needs persons - this, without compensation, reward, or to assauge any speculated, deep-seated feelings of guilt. I have and do assist persons that most other people would avoid by walking on the other side of the street. (Do you do the same?) I'll return to a question I have asked of you before, which you failed to answer in any reasonable manner. Who are you to judge another? (And I'll wager that I'm compensated annually less than you are. I'll also wager that my income stream is less than yours.) Good for you!!! Weren't we talking about love and party affiliation? Are you a compassionate conservative and did you support GW Bush's pre-emptive war of choice? What percentage of the folks who "avoid" your friends do you suppose are Republicans? I'd expect it to be larger by at least the weight of a six pack or two. How much "love" do you have, jps? Do you volunteer your time for the unfortunate, the dispossessed, the disaffected, the pariah of our society? Or do you defer to "government" to do your lovin' for ya? Let's see the love, dude! Changing the subject. I'd be pleased to discuss my efforts towards the benefits of mankind but you haven't favored me with any real answers yet. So why should I invest in your inquiry when you haven't invested in mine? This is how it normally goes with you. I think a review of who first toke the path less relevant would yeild a contrary result. What is apparent to the sensible reader is that your declarations are far removed from reality, are not representative of the truth, and that by design. You are a propagandist and you are a minor one at that. You're traipsing around with your basket of radical blubs in remote newsgroups, far from the big-lights that the more notorious radicals, such as Michael Moore, enjoy. I'm sure your family understands you. "toke the path"? I was bleary-eyed last night. I would recommend that you avoid reading C.S. Lewis' "The Abolition of Man" if you have problems comprehending what I write. Then again, I suspect that if you or HK were able to comprehend "The Abolition of Man," any acerbic and witty rebuttal that either of you issued against it would fall as short as all of your other lackluster "blurbs." I don't recall reading this CS Lewis book, but I really enjoyed the space trilogy, and I most enjoyed (and remember) Out of the Silent Planet (apologies to Harry... it's just a coincidence). EM It's more of a philosophical work, em. I haven't read much of C.S. Lewis fiction (one Narnia novel and "The Screwtape Letters," an epistolary). I've read more of his religious and philosophical works, the most difficult to negotiate being "The Abolition of Man," and the most poignant being, imo, "The Problem of Pain." The man was an estimable apologist. And I may be being a bit brutal in this opinion; but, I doubt that either JPS or H the K possess the prowess or acumen to fully absorb it, considering their respectively unremarkable intellectual demonstrations in this NG. That's why the most you'll see from either in a criticism of his work is a "pithy" blurb. I had wanted to add, too, Em, that "The Problem of Pain" is a bit of an exercise in theodicy. It's worth a read, even for those that don't subscribe to any faith in particular. Sometimes, I don't mind a pithy response. :) Actually, I don't either :). It's just that some comments feign 'pith' when there is little there to show for it. I can understand God's goodness in the face of many things (all things I suppose), but I don't subscribe to the notion of evil (this puts me at odds with lots of religious people of course). I guess I've struggled with this for a long while, but I've concluded that there doesn't have to be the duality of good and evil for good to exist. Bad certainly exists, but I don't believe in evil. Even bad people can be do good in select circumstances. Certainly, the reverse is true. At least you've invested some thought in the issue. That's more than many others do. I think that when the discussion comes up, the terms need to be clearly defined. It can be asserted that 'good' has no meaning if there isn't 'evil.' The one is defined in some part by the other. I wish I had finished G. E. Moore's "Principia Ethica." I had started it last winter, and I put it down in the middle of his defining "good." Maybe I'll be able to finish it when I retire, if I ever get that far :) That's certainly one way to look at it, but if you believe that God can only be good (to the the tune of Johnny Be Good of course), is all powerful, and all knowing, then how can evil really exist? Not to be too heavy about it, but it's more on par with Plato than Aristotle, the latter of which bores me, so I tend to dislike and discount his arguments. So, if I make a logical argument, but I mis-spell a word, the logical argument is "good," but does that make the mis-spelling evil? I claim it's bad but not evil. Maybe that's a stretch. I had a rum and coke for dinner, Em; so, I'm really in too light of a mood to tackle this heavy stuff this evening. :) Maybe, I'll try to wade my way through your thoughts tomorrow. Until then, I defer to C.S. Lewis in his "The Problem of Pain," when he states that "pain is God's megaphone to a deaf world." (Or something very similar to that.) Too, I think it safe to say that the argument can go to an examination of free will and to the consideration that God endowed us with such. That being the case, if any one free will agent (you or I) stood inimically to God, as a matter of choice, the one who does can be said to be 'evil.' That's only one avenue of thought, though. (And I went farther than I intended.) -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:55:53 -0400, H the K
wrote: On 10/26/09 9:50 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:09:30 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:44:39 -0500, wrote: At least you've invested some thought in the issue. That's more than many others do. I think that when the discussion comes up, the terms need to be clearly defined. It can be asserted that 'good' has no meaning if there isn't 'evil.' The one is defined in some part by the other. I wish I had finished G. E. Moore's "Principia Ethica." I had started it last winter, and I put it down in the middle of his defining "good." Maybe I'll be able to finish it when I retire, if I ever get that far :) I'll save you the trouble. "Good" is BBQ baby back ribs. --Vic Nah, that's not good. Good is Tafërtingen Dunkel beer, Jagermiester schnapps, roast chicken, and bratwurst at the Augsburg October fest. Now that's the epitome of "good." Of course a Saturday evening at the Hofbräuhaus in Munich comes close. Too...German. I'll do German before I'll do Taco Bell. (Come to think of it, I'd do White Castle before I'd do Taco Bell.) -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:50:03 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:09:30 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:44:39 -0500, wrote: At least you've invested some thought in the issue. That's more than many others do. I think that when the discussion comes up, the terms need to be clearly defined. It can be asserted that 'good' has no meaning if there isn't 'evil.' The one is defined in some part by the other. I wish I had finished G. E. Moore's "Principia Ethica." I had started it last winter, and I put it down in the middle of his defining "good." Maybe I'll be able to finish it when I retire, if I ever get that far :) I'll save you the trouble. "Good" is BBQ baby back ribs. --Vic Nah, that's not good. Good is Tafërtingen Dunkel beer, Jagermiester schnapps, roast chicken, and bratwurst at the Augsburg October fest. Now that's the epitome of "good." Of course a Saturday evening at the Hofbräuhaus in Munich comes close. Jagermiester? Have you graduated from college yet? |
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:07:22 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:59:32 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:28:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:01:53 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:30:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: snipped for the salvation of bandwidth I'm in the IT business, too. I also volunteer to help special-needs persons - this, without compensation, reward, or to assauge any speculated, deep-seated feelings of guilt. I have and do assist persons that most other people would avoid by walking on the other side of the street. (Do you do the same?) I'll return to a question I have asked of you before, which you failed to answer in any reasonable manner. Who are you to judge another? (And I'll wager that I'm compensated annually less than you are. I'll also wager that my income stream is less than yours.) Good for you!!! Weren't we talking about love and party affiliation? Are you a compassionate conservative and did you support GW Bush's pre-emptive war of choice? What percentage of the folks who "avoid" your friends do you suppose are Republicans? I'd expect it to be larger by at least the weight of a six pack or two. How much "love" do you have, jps? Do you volunteer your time for the unfortunate, the dispossessed, the disaffected, the pariah of our society? Or do you defer to "government" to do your lovin' for ya? Let's see the love, dude! Changing the subject. I'd be pleased to discuss my efforts towards the benefits of mankind but you haven't favored me with any real answers yet. So why should I invest in your inquiry when you haven't invested in mine? This is how it normally goes with you. I think a review of who first toke the path less relevant would yeild a contrary result. What is apparent to the sensible reader is that your declarations are far removed from reality, are not representative of the truth, and that by design. You are a propagandist and you are a minor one at that. You're traipsing around with your basket of radical blubs in remote newsgroups, far from the big-lights that the more notorious radicals, such as Michael Moore, enjoy. I'm sure your family understands you. "toke the path"? I was bleary-eyed last night. I would recommend that you avoid reading C.S. Lewis' "The Abolition of Man" if you have problems comprehending what I write. Then again, I suspect that if you or HK were able to comprehend "The Abolition of Man," any acerbic and witty rebuttal that either of you issued against it would fall as short as all of your other lackluster "blurbs." I don't recall reading this CS Lewis book, but I really enjoyed the space trilogy, and I most enjoyed (and remember) Out of the Silent Planet (apologies to Harry... it's just a coincidence). EM It's more of a philosophical work, em. I haven't read much of C.S. Lewis fiction (one Narnia novel and "The Screwtape Letters," an epistolary). I've read more of his religious and philosophical works, the most difficult to negotiate being "The Abolition of Man," and the most poignant being, imo, "The Problem of Pain." The man was an estimable apologist. And I may be being a bit brutal in this opinion; but, I doubt that either JPS or H the K possess the prowess or acumen to fully absorb it, considering their respectively unremarkable intellectual demonstrations in this NG. That's why the most you'll see from either in a criticism of his work is a "pithy" blurb. I had wanted to add, too, Em, that "The Problem of Pain" is a bit of an exercise in theodicy. It's worth a read, even for those that don't subscribe to any faith in particular. Sometimes, I don't mind a pithy response. :) Actually, I don't either :). It's just that some comments feign 'pith' when there is little there to show for it. I can understand God's goodness in the face of many things (all things I suppose), but I don't subscribe to the notion of evil (this puts me at odds with lots of religious people of course). I guess I've struggled with this for a long while, but I've concluded that there doesn't have to be the duality of good and evil for good to exist. Bad certainly exists, but I don't believe in evil. Even bad people can be do good in select circumstances. Certainly, the reverse is true. At least you've invested some thought in the issue. That's more than many others do. I think that when the discussion comes up, the terms need to be clearly defined. It can be asserted that 'good' has no meaning if there isn't 'evil.' The one is defined in some part by the other. I wish I had finished G. E. Moore's "Principia Ethica." I had started it last winter, and I put it down in the middle of his defining "good." Maybe I'll be able to finish it when I retire, if I ever get that far :) That's certainly one way to look at it, but if you believe that God can only be good (to the the tune of Johnny Be Good of course), is all powerful, and all knowing, then how can evil really exist? Not to be too heavy about it, but it's more on par with Plato than Aristotle, the latter of which bores me, so I tend to dislike and discount his arguments. So, if I make a logical argument, but I mis-spell a word, the logical argument is "good," but does that make the mis-spelling evil? I claim it's bad but not evil. Maybe that's a stretch. I had a rum and coke for dinner, Em; so, I'm really in too light of a mood to tackle this heavy stuff this evening. :) Maybe, I'll try to wade my way through your thoughts tomorrow. Until then, I defer to C.S. Lewis in his "The Problem of Pain," when he states that "pain is God's megaphone to a deaf world." (Or something very similar to that.) Too, I think it safe to say that the argument can go to an examination of free will and to the consideration that God endowed us with such. That being the case, if any one free will agent (you or I) stood inimically to God, as a matter of choice, the one who does can be said to be 'evil.' That's only one avenue of thought, though. (And I went farther than I intended.) Is that what you say to dinner guests when you're halfway through a bottle of wine and a weighty subject is introduced to the conversation? You abdicate? Retire? Watch TV? Did you ask Hoss if he could help pry that stick out? |
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says... On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:50:03 -0500, wrote: I'll save you the trouble. "Good" is BBQ baby back ribs. --Vic Nah, that's not good. Good is Tafërtingen Dunkel beer, Jagermiester schnapps, roast chicken, and bratwurst at the Augsburg October fest. Now that's the epitome of "good." Of course a Saturday evening at the Hofbräuhaus in Munich comes close. Can't argue with that. Used to frequent Resi's Bier Stube on Irving in Chicago before it got all yuppified. Think the owner was U-boat crew. Know he'd pour me a Jagermeister now and then to follow a beer. Good stuff, and it fits in coffee well too. A buddy in college always carried a flask of it. My preference was Hacker Pschorr Weiss, and I still lean towards that. But I never did an October fest so I'm open to more trial. Kiel and Hamburg is the limit of my experience in Germany. Beer was warm, but I did enjoy the food and trains. --Vic Still can't buy anything like you can make at home... As to beer that is. |
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:19:30 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:50:03 -0500, wrote: I'll save you the trouble. "Good" is BBQ baby back ribs. --Vic Nah, that's not good. Good is Tafërtingen Dunkel beer, Jagermiester schnapps, roast chicken, and bratwurst at the Augsburg October fest. Now that's the epitome of "good." Of course a Saturday evening at the Hofbräuhaus in Munich comes close. Can't argue with that. Used to frequent Resi's Bier Stube on Irving in Chicago before it got all yuppified. Think the owner was U-boat crew. Know he'd pour me a Jagermeister now and then to follow a beer. Good stuff, and it fits in coffee well too. A buddy in college always carried a flask of it. My preference was Hacker Pschorr Weiss, and I still lean towards that. But I never did an October fest so I'm open to more trial. Kiel and Hamburg is the limit of my experience in Germany. Beer was warm, but I did enjoy the food and trains. --Vic One of the reasons I liked the Octoberfest over the other 'fests throughout the year was that the beer would chill in the evening that time of the year. The chilled dark beer was robust and went really well with the brats. The schnapps ladies would make their rounds with buckets of iced schnapps carried by straps around the neck and shoulders. The order was usually for one shot and it was chased with the beer. I wasn't ready for German schnapps when I first arrived in Augsburg, and needless to say, it took me about 36 hours to recover. :) -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:23:35 -0400, Tosk
wrote: Still can't buy anything like you can make at home... As to beer that is. Still got all the beer-making advice I got from you and Loogy. Wait. Decided on this one. Honey Weizen w/ Danstar Munich dry yeast Price: $28.95 Availability: Usually ships in 24-48 hours Catalog Nbr: 730 Ship Weight: 12 Qty: Would pick it up as the place is about a 30-40 minute drive. Figured all the gear would run about $150. Got that all listed too. Still might do it. But for now I'm going to the fridge and see what's there. Glad I got reminded to have a beer. It's good for you. --Vic |
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:32:51 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: Glad I got reminded to have a beer. It's good for you. --Vic This really is a health care issue, though. You have to nurse it. :) -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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