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sailboat vs shotgun
An argument here concerning someone shooting a 12 g shotgun at a
sailboat at various distances. At close range, no argument, 00 buckshot would go right thru the fiberglass. At what range would it not penetrate? What about slugs? |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:51:07 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:32:10 -0400, wrote: I wouldn't bet against a slug going through just about any boat. USCG uses 12 ga rifled slugs to disable fleeing outboards, shooting directly at the blocks. A rifled slug is something different. But you'd still have to be close because of opposing wind resistance. It would do some damage to the engine controls, injectors, carbs - whatever sit's on it, but I doubt the slug will go through or penetrate the block enough to stop it. In particular if the boat is moving at a fairly good clip. |
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On Oct 15, 6:09*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:32:10 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:11:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: An argument here concerning someone shooting a 12 g shotgun at a sailboat at various distances. *At close range, no argument, 00 buckshot would go right thru the fiberglass. *At what range would it not penetrate? What about slugs? I wouldn't bet against a slug going through just about any boat. We had a junk car we used to shoot at in the garbage dump/range where we shot as a kid *If you didn't hit something solid a slug would go in one door and out the other side of the car. The seat back did a fairly good job of stopping the slug,after going through the door, until it came apart. Standard powder load or load yourself? I found a website called "The box of truth " or the "Truthbox" or something like that where they actually did tests like this by firing into a box that had various stopping materials. At 30', the 00 shot penetrated nearly everything. However, I am talking about 300' where I assume the shot is going much slower. |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:10:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: On Oct 15, 6:09*am, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:32:10 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:11:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: An argument here concerning someone shooting a 12 g shotgun at a sailboat at various distances. *At close range, no argument, 00 buckshot would go right thru the fiberglass. *At what range would it not penetrate? What about slugs? I wouldn't bet against a slug going through just about any boat. We had a junk car we used to shoot at in the garbage dump/range where we shot as a kid *If you didn't hit something solid a slug would go in one door and out the other side of the car. The seat back did a fairly good job of stopping the slug,after going through the door, until it came apart. Standard powder load or load yourself? I found a website called "The box of truth " or the "Truthbox" or something like that where they actually did tests like this by firing into a box that had various stopping materials. At 30', the 00 shot penetrated nearly everything. However, I am talking about 300' where I assume the shot is going much slower. 100 yards shooting say six feet off the ground you are already losing half your height due to gravity and that increases exponentially as the shot loses momentum. 00 might not even make 100 yards unless it's some kind of power load. Rifled slug the same issue assuming the same weight as the 00 buckshot - which is why I asked about standard or custom load in the shell. With less weight, you might get an impact point, but it won't have much penetrating power. |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:10:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: I found a website called "The box of truth " or the "Truthbox" or something like that where they actually did tests like this by firing into a box that had various stopping materials. At 30', the 00 shot penetrated nearly everything. However, I am talking about 300' where I assume the shot is going much slower. You really need a rifle to make much of an impact at 300 ft. |
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On Oct 15, 12:27*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:07:45 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:10:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Oct 15, 6:09*am, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:32:10 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:11:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: An argument here concerning someone shooting a 12 g shotgun at a sailboat at various distances. *At close range, no argument, 00 buckshot would go right thru the fiberglass. *At what range would it not penetrate? What about slugs? I wouldn't bet against a slug going through just about any boat. We had a junk car we used to shoot at in the garbage dump/range where we shot as a kid *If you didn't hit something solid a slug would go in one door and out the other side of the car. The seat back did a fairly good job of stopping the slug,after going through the door, until it came apart. Standard powder load or load yourself? I found a website called "The box of truth " or the "Truthbox" or something like that where they actually did tests like this by firing into a box that had various stopping materials. *At 30', the 00 shot penetrated nearly everything. *However, I am talking about 300' where I assume the shot is going much slower. 100 yards shooting say six feet off the ground you are already losing half your height due to gravity and that increases exponentially as the shot loses momentum. 00 might not even make 100 yards unless it's some kind of power load. Rifled slug the same issue assuming the same weight as the 00 buckshot - which is why I asked about standard or custom load in the shell. With less weight, you might get an impact point, but it won't have much penetrating power. Fromhttp://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_slugs.htm Conventional Foster type rifled slugs generally weigh 1 ounce in 12 gauge, 4/5 ounce in 16 gauge, 5/8 ounce in 20 gauge, and 1/5 ounce (or 87 grains) in .410 gauge. The 12 gauge slug has an advertised muzzle velocity (MV) of 1560 fps from a 2 3/4" high-brass shell, 1680 fps from a 2 3/4" Magnum shell, or 1760 fps from a 3" Magnum shell. These are Remington figures from their 2004 catalog. The MV's of the other gauges are similar. The catalog energy figures for the common high-brass ("maximum") 12 gauge slug load are an impressive 2361 ft. lbs. at the muzzle, but only 926 ft. lbs. at 100 yards. This is due to the very poor BC of the slug. Sighted to hit dead on at 50 yards, that slug is 4.8" low at 100 yards. The more powerful 12 gauge slugs are only marginally better, and kick noticeably harder. No matter what, rifled slugs remain a short range proposition. He goes on to say the Brenneke slug is a lot better These resemble Foster type slugs with one important difference: the wad remains attached to the base of the slug. This provides a better BC and stability in flight, a better shuttlecock, if you will. The assembly is heavier than a plain rifled slug due to the weight of the attached wad. The difference in retained energy at 100 yards is considerable. The original design of this type, as far as I know, is the German Brenneke slug, offered by Rottweil. Brenneke rifled slugs still use felt and fiber wads, and are suitable for use in smooth or rifled shotgun barrels. Rottweil offers several slug loads in 12, 20, and .410. Their 2 3/4" 12 gauge slug weighs 1 1/4 ounce, and their 3" Magnum 20 gauge slug weighs a full 1 ounce. A MV of 1476 fps and ME of 2538 are claimed for the 12 gauge 2 3/4" Magnum load. More important is the 100 yard retained energy figure of 1170 ft. lbs. Sounds like "experiment time" to me. Now, I gotta find an old boat cut off some panels, take em in the woods and blast away. |
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On Oct 15, 1:31*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Oct 15, 12:27*pm, wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:07:45 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:10:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Oct 15, 6:09*am, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:32:10 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:11:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: An argument here concerning someone shooting a 12 g shotgun at a sailboat at various distances. *At close range, no argument, 00 buckshot would go right thru the fiberglass. *At what range would it not penetrate? What about slugs? I wouldn't bet against a slug going through just about any boat. We had a junk car we used to shoot at in the garbage dump/range where we shot as a kid *If you didn't hit something solid a slug would go in one door and out the other side of the car. The seat back did a fairly good job of stopping the slug,after going through the door, until it came apart. Standard powder load or load yourself? I found a website called "The box of truth " or the "Truthbox" or something like that where they actually did tests like this by firing into a box that had various stopping materials. *At 30', the 00 shot penetrated nearly everything. *However, I am talking about 300' where I assume the shot is going much slower. 100 yards shooting say six feet off the ground you are already losing half your height due to gravity and that increases exponentially as the shot loses momentum. 00 might not even make 100 yards unless it's some kind of power load. Rifled slug the same issue assuming the same weight as the 00 buckshot - which is why I asked about standard or custom load in the shell. With less weight, you might get an impact point, but it won't have much penetrating power. Fromhttp://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_slugs.htm Conventional Foster type rifled slugs generally weigh 1 ounce in 12 gauge, 4/5 ounce in 16 gauge, 5/8 ounce in 20 gauge, and 1/5 ounce (or 87 grains) in .410 gauge. The 12 gauge slug has an advertised muzzle velocity (MV) of 1560 fps from a 2 3/4" high-brass shell, 1680 fps from a 2 3/4" Magnum shell, or 1760 fps from a 3" Magnum shell. These are Remington figures from their 2004 catalog. The MV's of the other gauges are similar. The catalog energy figures for the common high-brass ("maximum") 12 gauge slug load are an impressive 2361 ft. lbs. at the muzzle, but only 926 ft. lbs. at 100 yards. This is due to the very poor BC of the slug. Sighted to hit dead on at 50 yards, that slug is 4.8" low at 100 yards. The more powerful 12 gauge slugs are only marginally better, and kick noticeably harder. No matter what, rifled slugs remain a short range proposition. He goes on to say the Brenneke slug is a lot better These resemble Foster type slugs with one important difference: the wad remains attached to the base of the slug. This provides a better BC and stability in flight, a better shuttlecock, if you will. The assembly is heavier than a plain rifled slug due to the weight of the attached wad. The difference in retained energy at 100 yards is considerable. The original design of this type, as far as I know, is the German Brenneke slug, offered by Rottweil. Brenneke rifled slugs still use felt and fiber wads, and are suitable for use in smooth or rifled shotgun barrels. Rottweil offers several slug loads in 12, 20, and .410. Their 2 3/4" 12 gauge slug weighs 1 1/4 ounce, and their 3" Magnum 20 gauge slug weighs a full 1 ounce. A MV of 1476 fps and ME of 2538 are claimed for the 12 gauge 2 3/4" Magnum load. More important is the 100 yard retained energy figure of 1170 ft. lbs. Sounds like "experiment time" to me. *Now, I gotta find an old boat cut off some panels, take em in the woods and blast away. OH, our scenario. Sailboat A shooting at Sailboat B at some long range for a shotgun. We assume sailboat A is armed with a 12 g shotgun with 2 3/4" shells either 000 or 00 shot alternating with slugs, store bought loads. Sailboat A ( a catamaran whose engine does not work) initially shooting at stern of Sailboat B (who is unarmed, sloop rigged monohull) at extreme range. Sailboat A speed is 6.5 kts. Sailboat B speed is 6 kts, wind abeam of both. Next, Sailboat B turns toward the wind to sail and motor to within 40 degrees of the wind where A cannot follow. A continues to fire until B is out of range to windward. |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:31:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: On Oct 15, 12:27*pm, wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:07:45 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:10:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Oct 15, 6:09*am, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:32:10 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:11:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: An argument here concerning someone shooting a 12 g shotgun at a sailboat at various distances. *At close range, no argument, 00 buckshot would go right thru the fiberglass. *At what range would it not penetrate? What about slugs? I wouldn't bet against a slug going through just about any boat. We had a junk car we used to shoot at in the garbage dump/range where we shot as a kid *If you didn't hit something solid a slug would go in one door and out the other side of the car. The seat back did a fairly good job of stopping the slug,after going through the door, until it came apart. Standard powder load or load yourself? I found a website called "The box of truth " or the "Truthbox" or something like that where they actually did tests like this by firing into a box that had various stopping materials. *At 30', the 00 shot penetrated nearly everything. *However, I am talking about 300' where I assume the shot is going much slower. 100 yards shooting say six feet off the ground you are already losing half your height due to gravity and that increases exponentially as the shot loses momentum. 00 might not even make 100 yards unless it's some kind of power load. Rifled slug the same issue assuming the same weight as the 00 buckshot - which is why I asked about standard or custom load in the shell. With less weight, you might get an impact point, but it won't have much penetrating power. Fromhttp://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_slugs.htm Conventional Foster type rifled slugs generally weigh 1 ounce in 12 gauge, 4/5 ounce in 16 gauge, 5/8 ounce in 20 gauge, and 1/5 ounce (or 87 grains) in .410 gauge. The 12 gauge slug has an advertised muzzle velocity (MV) of 1560 fps from a 2 3/4" high-brass shell, 1680 fps from a 2 3/4" Magnum shell, or 1760 fps from a 3" Magnum shell. These are Remington figures from their 2004 catalog. The MV's of the other gauges are similar. The catalog energy figures for the common high-brass ("maximum") 12 gauge slug load are an impressive 2361 ft. lbs. at the muzzle, but only 926 ft. lbs. at 100 yards. This is due to the very poor BC of the slug. Sighted to hit dead on at 50 yards, that slug is 4.8" low at 100 yards. The more powerful 12 gauge slugs are only marginally better, and kick noticeably harder. No matter what, rifled slugs remain a short range proposition. He goes on to say the Brenneke slug is a lot better These resemble Foster type slugs with one important difference: the wad remains attached to the base of the slug. This provides a better BC and stability in flight, a better shuttlecock, if you will. The assembly is heavier than a plain rifled slug due to the weight of the attached wad. The difference in retained energy at 100 yards is considerable. The original design of this type, as far as I know, is the German Brenneke slug, offered by Rottweil. Brenneke rifled slugs still use felt and fiber wads, and are suitable for use in smooth or rifled shotgun barrels. Rottweil offers several slug loads in 12, 20, and .410. Their 2 3/4" 12 gauge slug weighs 1 1/4 ounce, and their 3" Magnum 20 gauge slug weighs a full 1 ounce. A MV of 1476 fps and ME of 2538 are claimed for the 12 gauge 2 3/4" Magnum load. More important is the 100 yard retained energy figure of 1170 ft. lbs. Sounds like "experiment time" to me. Now, I gotta find an old boat cut off some panels, take em in the woods and blast away. It's been some time since I've been involved in the technical aspects of shooting, but as I remember it, 920 ft. lbs isn't enough to bring down a deer. 1170 is marginal. Then again, I never took a deer outside of 60 yards with black powder - much longer than that with my ..308. There's something called the Taylor Takedown Value or Taylor Knock Out Factor where you can figure the the impact value of any given bullet, any given powder load and bullet diameter. And wouldn't you know it - somebody programmed it and put it on the web. http://www.beartoothbullets.com/resc...php/taylor.htm Damn - it's true - you can find anything on the innertubes. :) |
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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:51:07 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:32:10 -0400, wrote: I wouldn't bet against a slug going through just about any boat. USCG uses 12 ga rifled slugs to disable fleeing outboards, shooting directly at the blocks. A rifled slug is something different. But you'd still have to be close because of opposing wind resistance. It would do some damage to the engine controls, injectors, carbs - whatever sit's on it, but I doubt the slug will go through or penetrate the block enough to stop it. In particular if the boat is moving at a fairly good clip. So, what kind of motor is this that would stand up to a 12 ga. slug? I want one. Steve |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:28:39 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:51:07 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:32:10 -0400, wrote: I wouldn't bet against a slug going through just about any boat. USCG uses 12 ga rifled slugs to disable fleeing outboards, shooting directly at the blocks. A rifled slug is something different. But you'd still have to be close because of opposing wind resistance. It would do some damage to the engine controls, injectors, carbs - whatever sit's on it, but I doubt the slug will go through or penetrate the block enough to stop it. In particular if the boat is moving at a fairly good clip. So, what kind of motor is this that would stand up to a 12 ga. slug? I want one. I'm pretty sure I said block. I'm sure you could stop an engine running at speed by knocking off some piece of external equipment, but I don't think a 12 guage shot gun slug will penetrate a block to the extent that it will penetrate enough to do internal damage. Maybe they do get that close - I don't know. I'm think more about a standoff shot from over 50 yards. Then again, every video I've seen of them blowing up outboards has been with a .50 cal. |
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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:28:39 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:51:07 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:32:10 -0400, wrote: I wouldn't bet against a slug going through just about any boat. USCG uses 12 ga rifled slugs to disable fleeing outboards, shooting directly at the blocks. A rifled slug is something different. But you'd still have to be close because of opposing wind resistance. It would do some damage to the engine controls, injectors, carbs - whatever sit's on it, but I doubt the slug will go through or penetrate the block enough to stop it. In particular if the boat is moving at a fairly good clip. So, what kind of motor is this that would stand up to a 12 ga. slug? I want one. I'm pretty sure I said block. I'm sure you could stop an engine running at speed by knocking off some piece of external equipment, but I don't think a 12 guage shot gun slug will penetrate a block to the extent that it will penetrate enough to do internal damage. Maybe they do get that close - I don't know. I'm think more about a standoff shot from over 50 yards. Then again, every video I've seen of them blowing up outboards has been with a .50 cal. I'm just thinking of my motor. It's such a birdsnest of wires, gas lines, carburetors, sensors, etc, etc, etc. I sit and look and look and look. I look from this angle. I look from that angle. And I have yet to come up with any angle or location where there is no vital component that would not get damaged from a shotgun slug. And then, it's all covered with water jacket panels. The only thing I can think of is to put a cowling made of armor plate, but then the lower unit would still be exposed, and it would be a dickens to get to plane out. I've had a couple of blocks apart, and I put them back together. In some places, the aluminum was 1/8" to 1/4" thick. I don't think that would stop a slug. There were places where it was thicker, but then again, critical components were all around that area, and an incoming or ricocheting round would take out something vital to the operation of the motor. I don't know about your motor, but mine gets tempermental after sitting in my driveway for a couple of months getting hit by sand particles and moths and tree leaves. I guess I must have a wimpy motor. Steve |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:57:07 -0400, wrote: I bet a slug will punch a hole in any fiberglass boat, as far away as you can hit it from. Take that to the extreme. If you got WAAAAAAAAY away, and did the luckiest long shot you could do, you would have to aim so high that on the way down, the round would be either at 45 degrees or maybe even more. If you took the farthest distance that round would travel, took off fifty feet, and use that as your toe line, how many times do you think you could even hit the boat, and do you think it would penetrate? And are we talking just hitting the boat, or hitting it so as to sink it? Lots of areas on a boat are made of thinner fiberglass above the water line, the cosmetic areas. And consider that most surfaces under the water line are not very vertical, and would be angled away from you. And may be very thick. I'll take that bet. It would be a fun day. Remember, the range is the farthest distance that slug will travel less fifty feet. And holes in plexiglass and fabric and anything other than fiberglass don't count. Hell, I wish I knew where there was such a derelict boat. It would be worth a hundred bucks in shells just for the fun of being a wannabe Mythbuster. We need to send this to them. They invite such projects. Except, we'd have beer. Steve |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:48:53 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote: I'm pretty sure I said block. I'm sure you could stop an engine running at speed by knocking off some piece of external equipment, but I don't think a 12 guage shot gun slug will penetrate a block to the extent that it will penetrate enough to do internal damage. Maybe they do get that close - I don't know. I'm think more about a standoff shot from over 50 yards. Then again, every video I've seen of them blowing up outboards has been with a .50 cal. Somewhere out on YouTube there is a training video where they demonstrate shotgun technique with the shooter laying prone in the front of a RIB, while they chase a target boat with fake outboards on the back. Can't find it at the moment. A shotgun is certainly a lot safer than a machine gun in congested waters. |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:30:30 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote: Hell, I wish I knew where there was such a derelict boat. It would be worth a hundred bucks in shells just for the fun of being a wannabe Mythbuster. There are lots of derelict boats in Florida. They might even pay to have them removed. You'd have to get enviro permits to sink them of course. |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:30:30 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote: Hell, I wish I knew where there was such a derelict boat. It would be worth a hundred bucks in shells just for the fun of being a wannabe Mythbuster. We need to send this to them. They invite such projects. Except, we'd have beer. Maximun range is about a mile. Chances of even one hit with a reasonable number of rounds? How big a target? How big a spotting scope? Ten inch cassegrain? Casady |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:30:30 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: Hell, I wish I knew where there was such a derelict boat. It would be worth a hundred bucks in shells just for the fun of being a wannabe Mythbuster. We need to send this to them. They invite such projects. Except, we'd have beer. Maximun range is about a mile. Chances of even one hit with a reasonable number of rounds? How big a target? How big a spotting scope? Ten inch cassegrain? Casady See what I mean? At maximum distance, it would be hard to just hit the thing, let alone punch a hole below the water line. I think there would be a lot of entry wounds on deck. Steve |
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On Oct 16, 10:00*am, Tosk wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:30:30 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: Hell, I wish I knew where there was such a derelict boat. *It would be worth a hundred bucks in shells just for the fun of being a wannabe Mythbuster. We need to send this to them. *They invite such projects. *Except, we'd have beer. Maximun range is about a mile. Chances of even one hit with a reasonable number of rounds? How big a target? How big a spotting scope? Ten inch cassegrain? Casady I have a 1969 19 foot Colombian in my back yard in Essex if you want it.. Take it away, please;) Thats where he takes his Daughter for "special time" in the boat. He pretends he zooming along as she zooms his pole........ |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:55:06 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: "Richard Casady" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:30:30 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: Hell, I wish I knew where there was such a derelict boat. It would be worth a hundred bucks in shells just for the fun of being a wannabe Mythbuster. We need to send this to them. They invite such projects. Except, we'd have beer. Maximun range is about a mile. Chances of even one hit with a reasonable number of rounds? How big a target? How big a spotting scope? Ten inch cassegrain? Casady See what I mean? At maximum distance, it would be hard to just hit the thing, let alone punch a hole below the water line. I think there would be a lot of entry wounds on deck. Steve The hole under the waterline might be made from the top ;-) As for the CG being able to break an outboard block with a shotgun, nobody said they are using your grand daddy's deer slug. They may be shooting one of those rounds the cops use to break door locks. |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:55:06 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: "Richard Casady" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:30:30 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: Hell, I wish I knew where there was such a derelict boat. It would be worth a hundred bucks in shells just for the fun of being a wannabe Mythbuster. We need to send this to them. They invite such projects. Except, we'd have beer. Maximun range is about a mile. Chances of even one hit with a reasonable number of rounds? How big a target? How big a spotting scope? Ten inch cassegrain? Casady See what I mean? At maximum distance, it would be hard to just hit the thing, let alone punch a hole below the water line. I think there would be a lot of entry wounds on deck. Steve The hole under the waterline might be made from the top ;-) As for the CG being able to break an outboard block with a shotgun, nobody said they are using your grand daddy's deer slug. They may be shooting one of those rounds the cops use to break door locks. You can bet if it is paid for in taxpayer's dollars, it's the latest greatest best thing available, and probably not available to the general public. The A10 depleted uranium shells are an example. Does the CG really use shotguns that much? A lot of footage I have seen has been machine guns. Those 50s with the armor piercing core will surely punch a hole, and the explosive shells will take out everything around whatever it hits. I don't know what these guys are thinking when they try to run from those 50s. Steve Steve |
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