will probably go to Barack Obama for doing nothing on health care
either.

Except make it more expensive for the middle class.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/he...nted=2&_r=1&hp

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:08:13 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

will probably go to Barack Obama for doing nothing on health care
either.

Except make it more expensive for the middle class.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/he...y/11cost.html?
pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

Funny, after reading that article, you find Obama the problem. After
reading that article, I find lobbyists the problem. If we don't get them
in check, we will lose our democracy. The incestuous relationship
between campaign finance and corporate pork, is the biggest threat to our
democracy.

It's a non-partisan issue. Both sides have their hands out, and we have
a Supreme Court that has given First Amendment protections to the money
giving whores, albeit limited protection.

Follow the money:

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=c

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2009...s-of-lobbyist-
giv.html

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:48:38 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:08:13 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

will probably go to Barack Obama for doing nothing on health care
either.

Except make it more expensive for the middle class.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/he...y/11cost.html?
pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

Funny, after reading that article, you find Obama the problem. After
reading that article, I find lobbyists the problem. If we don't get them
in check, we will lose our democracy. The incestuous relationship
between campaign finance and corporate pork, is the biggest threat to our
democracy.

It's a non-partisan issue. Both sides have their hands out, and we have
a Supreme Court that has given First Amendment protections to the money
giving whores, albeit limited protection.

Follow the money:

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=c

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2009...s-of-lobbyist-
giv.html


What has 'Bama done to curb lobbyists? What has 'Bama done against any
of the nefarious activities in which his fellow Democrats are
involved? Has Rangal been punished for anything?

On Oct 11, 5:48*am, thunder wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:08:13 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

will probably go to Barack Obama for doing nothing on health care
either.

Except make it more expensive for the middle class.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/he...y/11cost.html?

pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

Funny, after reading that article, you find Obama the problem. *After
reading that article, I find lobbyists the problem. *If we don't get them
in check, we will lose our democracy. *The incestuous relationship
between campaign finance and corporate pork, is the biggest threat to our
democracy.


Funny you should mention lobbyist:

"Here are former lobbyists Obama has tapped for top jobs:

* Eric Holder, attorney general nominee, was registered to lobby
until 2004 on behalf of clients including Global Crossing, a bankrupt
telecommunications firm [now confirmed].
* Tom Vilsack, secretary of agriculture nominee, was registered to
lobby as recently as last year on behalf of the National Education
Association.
* William Lynn, deputy defense secretary nominee, was registered
to lobby as recently as last year for defense contractor Raytheon,
where he was a top executive.
* William Corr, deputy health and human services secretary
nominee, was registered to lobby until last year for the Campaign for
Tobacco-Free Kids, a non-profit that pushes to limit tobacco use.
* David Hayes, deputy interior secretary nominee, was registered
to lobby until 2006 for clients, including the regional utility San
Diego Gas & Electric.
* Mark Patterson, chief of staff to Treasury Secretary Timothy
Geithner, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for
financial giant Goldman Sachs.
* Ron Klain, chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden, was
registered to lobby until 2005 for clients, including the Coalition
for Asbestos Resolution, U.S. Airways, Airborne Express and drug-maker
ImClone.
* Mona Sutphen, deputy White House chief of staff, was registered
to lobby for clients, including Angliss International in 2003.
* Melody Barnes, domestic policy council director, lobbied in 2003
and 2004 for liberal advocacy groups, including the American Civil
Liberties Union, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the
American Constitution Society and the Center for Reproductive Rights.
* Cecilia Munoz, White House director of intergovernmental
affairs, was a lobbyist as recently as last year for the National
Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group.
* Patrick Gaspard, White House political affairs director, was a
lobbyist for the Service Employees International Union.
* Michael Strautmanis, chief of staff to the president’s assistant
for intergovernmental relations, lobbied for the American Association
of Justice from 2001 until 2005."

On 10/11/09 3:08 AM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
will probably go to Barack Obama for doing nothing on health care
either.

Except make it more expensive for the middle class.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/he...nted=2&_r=1&hp


You righties seem *so* upset about this. I think it is because some of
you realize that no one in your party will ever be awarded a Nobel Peace
Price because all your people in power are warmongering assholes who are
in the pocket of the military and its defense contractors.




--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

Jack wrote:
On Oct 11, 5:48 am, thunder wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:08:13 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

will probably go to Barack Obama for doing nothing on health care
either.
Except make it more expensive for the middle class.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/he...y/11cost.html?
pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

Funny, after reading that article, you find Obama the problem. After
reading that article, I find lobbyists the problem. If we don't get them
in check, we will lose our democracy. The incestuous relationship
between campaign finance and corporate pork, is the biggest threat to our
democracy.


Funny you should mention lobbyist:

"Here are former lobbyists Obama has tapped for top jobs:

* Eric Holder, attorney general nominee, was registered to lobby
until 2004 on behalf of clients including Global Crossing, a bankrupt
telecommunications firm [now confirmed].
* Tom Vilsack, secretary of agriculture nominee, was registered to
lobby as recently as last year on behalf of the National Education
Association.
* William Lynn, deputy defense secretary nominee, was registered
to lobby as recently as last year for defense contractor Raytheon,
where he was a top executive.
* William Corr, deputy health and human services secretary
nominee, was registered to lobby until last year for the Campaign for
Tobacco-Free Kids, a non-profit that pushes to limit tobacco use.
* David Hayes, deputy interior secretary nominee, was registered
to lobby until 2006 for clients, including the regional utility San
Diego Gas & Electric.
* Mark Patterson, chief of staff to Treasury Secretary Timothy
Geithner, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for
financial giant Goldman Sachs.
* Ron Klain, chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden, was
registered to lobby until 2005 for clients, including the Coalition
for Asbestos Resolution, U.S. Airways, Airborne Express and drug-maker
ImClone.
* Mona Sutphen, deputy White House chief of staff, was registered
to lobby for clients, including Angliss International in 2003.
* Melody Barnes, domestic policy council director, lobbied in 2003
and 2004 for liberal advocacy groups, including the American Civil
Liberties Union, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the
American Constitution Society and the Center for Reproductive Rights.
* Cecilia Munoz, White House director of intergovernmental
affairs, was a lobbyist as recently as last year for the National
Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group.
* Patrick Gaspard, White House political affairs director, was a
lobbyist for the Service Employees International Union.
* Michael Strautmanis, chief of staff to the president’s assistant
for intergovernmental relations, lobbied for the American Association
of Justice from 2001 until 2005."

O'Bama's pretty smart. He's rounding up all the top lobbyists and
putting them where he can keep an eye on them and tap their connections;
Just as he did with Ms. Clintoon.
Call this turkey what you want but he's no dummy.

H the K wrote:
On 10/11/09 3:08 AM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
will probably go to Barack Obama for doing nothing on health care
either.

Except make it more expensive for the middle class.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/he...nted=2&_r=1&hp



You righties seem *so* upset about this. I think it is because some of
you realize that no one in your party will ever be awarded a Nobel Peace
Price because all your people in power are warmongering assholes who are
in the pocket of the military and its defense contractors.




Cmon turd blossom. Can't you savor the moment without your lame attacks
on your feared opposition party.

On Oct 11, 10:02*am, Jim wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Oct 11, 5:48 am, thunder wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:08:13 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

will probably go to Barack Obama for doing nothing on health care
either.
Except make it more expensive for the middle class.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/he...y/11cost.html?
pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

Funny, after reading that article, you find Obama the problem. *After
reading that article, I find lobbyists the problem. *If we don't get them
in check, we will lose our democracy. *The incestuous relationship
between campaign finance and corporate pork, is the biggest threat to our
democracy.

Funny you should mention lobbyist:

"Here are former lobbyists Obama has tapped for top jobs:

* * * Eric Holder, attorney general nominee, was registered to lobby
until 2004 on behalf of clients including Global Crossing, a bankrupt
telecommunications firm [now confirmed].
* * * Tom Vilsack, secretary of agriculture nominee, was registered to
lobby as recently as last year on behalf of the National Education
Association.
* * * William Lynn, deputy defense secretary nominee, was registered
to lobby as recently as last year for defense contractor Raytheon,
where he was a top executive.
* * * William Corr, deputy health and human services secretary
nominee, was registered to lobby until last year for the Campaign for
Tobacco-Free Kids, a non-profit that pushes to limit tobacco use.
* * * David Hayes, deputy interior secretary nominee, was registered
to lobby until 2006 for clients, including the regional utility San
Diego Gas & Electric.
* * * Mark Patterson, chief of staff to Treasury Secretary Timothy
Geithner, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for
financial giant Goldman Sachs.
* * * Ron Klain, chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden, was
registered to lobby until 2005 for clients, including the Coalition
for Asbestos Resolution, U.S. Airways, Airborne Express and drug-maker
ImClone.
* * * Mona Sutphen, deputy White House chief of staff, was registered
to lobby for clients, including Angliss International in 2003.
* * * Melody Barnes, domestic policy council director, lobbied in 2003
and 2004 for liberal advocacy groups, including the American Civil
Liberties Union, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the
American Constitution Society and the Center for Reproductive Rights.
* * * Cecilia Munoz, White House director of intergovernmental
affairs, was a lobbyist as recently as last year for the National
Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group.
* * * Patrick Gaspard, White House political affairs director, was a
lobbyist for the Service Employees International Union.
* * * Michael Strautmanis, chief of staff to the president’s assistant
for intergovernmental relations, lobbied for the American Association
of Justice from 2001 until 2005."

O'Bama's pretty smart. He's rounding up all the top lobbyists and
putting them where he can keep an eye on them and tap their connections;
Just as he did with Ms. Clintoon.
Call this turkey what you want but he's no dummy.

Never said he was stupid, just a liar. Remember the promise? "During
the campaign, Obama said many times that lobbyists would not run his
White House, and the campaign delighted in tweaking rival John McCain
for the former lobbyists who worked on McCain's campaign."

How much does a cabinet post cost these days? Blagojevich didn't
invent anything, he was just sloppy.

On Oct 11, 3:08*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
will probably go to Barack Obama for doing nothing on health care
either.

Except make it more expensive for the middle class.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/he...html?pagewante...

mebbe he'll arrange rabies shots for all you right wingers who are
frothing at the mouth like mad dogs over the fact your boy bush
screwed the pooch

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:20:44 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:48:38 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:08:13 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

will probably go to Barack Obama for doing nothing on health care
either.

Except make it more expensive for the middle class.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/he...y/11cost.html?
pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

Funny, after reading that article, you find Obama the problem. After
reading that article, I find lobbyists the problem. If we don't get them
in check, we will lose our democracy. The incestuous relationship
between campaign finance and corporate pork, is the biggest threat to our
democracy.

It's a non-partisan issue. Both sides have their hands out, and we have
a Supreme Court that has given First Amendment protections to the money
giving whores, albeit limited protection.

Follow the money:

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=c

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2009...s-of-lobbyist-
giv.html


We'll see how the final health care bill looks.
Jack posted the lobbyists in the Obama admin.
Don't forget that Daschle is/was a health care lobbyist.
Besides being a tax cheater, ala what's-his-name, the guy from the NY
fed and a bunch of the other pols. Geithner.
Our "leaders."
Here's something nobody even talks about in - in plain language.
And that goes for the Dems in charge too.
A big part of proposed health care solutions from both Dem and Rep
sides is gov subsidies for lower-income folks.
Subsidies to buy for-profit health insurance.
And I've seen "lower-icome" defined up to $70k for a family of 4.
Without a public non-corporate health insurance option, this is simple
corporate communism.
It's so darn stupid it makes me sweat behind the ears.
Corporate commies calling the backers of public-option/revenue neutral
health insurance "socialists."
There are a number of health care models around the world that give
better results than ours, and reduce costs to the national economy.
We're too darn busy throwing political stones here to see the writing
on the wall, and instead reinvent the wheel - but it's a square wheel.
That's why there is ever-increasing speculation that the dollar will
soon go away as the premier international currency.
That won't hurt the leaders of course, because they can arbitrage and
make killings trading goods produced elsewhere.
Greed is good.
The facts about what works and what doesn't are well known.
Everybody who can read should have seen the stats on health care costs
and health results from out competitors by now.
But the Dems and Reps have their followers throwing eggs at each other
while they all suck up corporate money gathered up from the little
folks.
Don't even get me started on why no H1N1 vaccine is produced in the
U.S., but it all has to be imported.

That last is the fault of our beloved President. He's been spending
way too much time in front of the camera and not enough time doing his
friggin' job!