Remember when you could go to RBP and find discussions on boats?
Remember when you could go to RBP and read funny stories from other
paddlers?
Remember when you could go to RBP might find something for sale you
were looking for?
Remember when you could go to RBP and swap put in and take out info as
well as water levels?
Remember when you could go to RBP and find intelligent comments about
paddling?
Remember when you could go to RBP and read about what other paddlers
were doing in the paddling world, like Dancewater, Mothra, and others?

Those were the days.

I paddle 65-70 days a year now and technique and good sense have kept
me from swimming. I am a member of the ACA and the AWA but I never
remember accepting any money from them. I follow their paddling
guidelines as a demonstration of responsible good sense.

People have the right to paddle the boat of their choice, in the
manner they wish, naked if they so choose. That is an expression of
part of the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights.

I have never seen a boat or gear manufacturer attack paddlers for not
purchasing their products. I have never seen a reputable supplier of
paddling gear insult and degrade other paddlers for choosing to
purchase alternate equipment. I have never seen an outfitter display
what polite society would describe as irrational behaviour because
they chose to be outfitted by someone else.

The latest stream of garbage about sponsons is like selling ice cubes
to Eskimos. Don't want 'em, don't need 'em. And there were 39,800
traffic-related fatalities in the U.S. last year, not the twisted data
spewed just recently. And they were happy with only the 39,800
fatalities because it was an 8% improvement over 2007. We keep
driving cars, and we don't buy sponsons. Obviously it isn't very busy
in sponson world because there is lots of time to cut and paste the
same old crap.

I promised myself I would ignore the continued spew of garbage, but my
wife told me to take the trash out....

Jay Hanks, President, Lansing Oar and Paddle Club
"all the rivers run to the ocean, and yet the ocean is not filled":
ECC 1:7

Hello Jay, you wrote:

Remember when you could go to RBP and...

Yes, I remember, and I'm sad to see how RBP has pretty much faded
away. As the few of us reading this know, some of us do still show
symptoms of terminal optimism and pop in now and again; just to see
if something interesting is happening.

Aside from the very occasional flame war, RBP was always one of the
more enjoyable and informative paddling discussion groups around
(amongst newsgroups, email lists, and website message boards). By
the way, has anyone seen any new stories from Ken Strickland? I miss
those too, and I wonder how he's doing, and what he's up to.

--
Melissa

watersprite wrote:
Hello Jay, you wrote:

Remember when you could go to RBP and...

Yes, I remember, and I'm sad to see how RBP has pretty much faded
away. As the few of us reading this know, some of us do still show
symptoms of terminal optimism and pop in now and again; just to see
if something interesting is happening.

Aside from the very occasional flame war, RBP was always one of the
more enjoyable and informative paddling discussion groups around
(amongst newsgroups, email lists, and website message boards). By
the way, has anyone seen any new stories from Ken Strickland? I miss
those too, and I wonder how he's doing, and what he's up to.


Yes, as a 60's singer put it: "Those were the days my friend, we thought
they'd never end...."

RBP was probably in its heighday in 1998. It rapidly went down the hill
after that. I'm glad to have tasted a bit of what it was like, with it
being more like a big family than a simple text based usenet group.

As for Ken Strickland, I think that he posted one or two more stories on
Boatertalk since he left RBP. Maybe they are in the Ken Strickland
collection of Pete Staehling's website?


--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

On Oct 5, 5:46*pm, Wilko wrote:
watersprite wrote:
Hello Jay, you wrote:

Remember when you could go to RBP and...

Yes, I remember, and I'm sad to see how RBP has pretty much faded
away. *As the few of us reading this know, some of us do still show
symptoms of terminal optimism and pop in now and again; just to see
if something interesting is happening.

Aside from the very occasional flame war, RBP was always one of the
more enjoyable and informative paddling discussion groups around
(amongst newsgroups, email lists, and website message boards). *By
the way, has anyone seen any new stories from Ken Strickland? *I miss
those too, and I wonder how he's doing, and what he's up to.

Yes, as a 60's singer put it: "Those were the days my friend, we thought
they'd never end...."

RBP was probably in its heighday in 1998. It rapidly went down the hill
after that. I'm glad to have tasted a bit of what it was like, with it
being more like a big family than a simple text based usenet group.

As for Ken Strickland, I think that he posted one or two more stories on
Boatertalk since he left RBP. Maybe they are in the Ken Strickland
collection of Pete Staehling's website?

--
Wilko van den Bergh * * * * * * * * * * * * *wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
* * *Eindhoven * * * * The Netherlands * * * * * *Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---http://kayaker.nl/- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Rec.Boats Paddle posters are a cult; while not denying that the
Darlington School boys and over 200 other American children died in
terror and agony, being denied the proven means to get out of the
water and stay out, to live, like any two ten year old girls with 50
cent sponsons, enabling anyone without expensive and fraudulent
American Canoe Association instruction to get out of the deadly water
in 5 seconds: http://www.sponsonguy.com

Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly paddling
down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until they
down. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under
any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died
because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and
stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons.

Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe
rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is
pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.)
state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing"
canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency
sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters
will state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes
and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are
deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous
as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with
sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann
1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and
kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on
rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram
experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful,
even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for
the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social
psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of
university labs.

Tim Ingram

Wilko - Kuthe - Jaybird

It's like old home week. Am I in a time warp? Whew. . . .

I'm revising my memoir of the Scott Time (which is how Ken Strickland
referred to the heyday of rbp) and coming on here because everything
is recorded here. Makes writing a memoir much easier, and Oprah
doesn't have to worry about the story being faked!

Anyhow, you're in the book, of course, dear Wilko. I can shoot you a
copy if you care to read it, but I'm doing a major, major revision
(focusing on my sister's fatal illness and the choice she made to
forgo a heart-lung transplant). But the whole thing starts in the
Scott Time.

Anyhow, Timmy, thanks for the chuckle.

Anyone think Timmy and BurntNjall might be one and the same?

Mothra wrote:
Wilko - Kuthe - Jaybird

It's like old home week. Am I in a time warp? Whew. . . .

big grin
Welcome back, Mothra!

I'm revising my memoir of the Scott Time (which is how Ken Strickland
referred to the heyday of rbp) and coming on here because everything
is recorded here. Makes writing a memoir much easier, and Oprah
doesn't have to worry about the story being faked!

Yeah, I think Ken got it right (again :-) ) with that expression.

Anyhow, you're in the book, of course, dear Wilko. I can shoot you a
copy if you care to read it, but I'm doing a major, major revision
(focusing on my sister's fatal illness and the choice she made to
forgo a heart-lung transplant). But the whole thing starts in the
Scott Time.

I look forward to reading it, Kathy! Just finished college (again :-) ),
so in between job-hunting I have plenty of time to read! :-)

Anyhow, Timmy, thanks for the chuckle.

Anyone think Timmy and BurntNjall might be one and the same?

Nah, I think that compared to the Spamsonman, BurntNjall was too
coherent. He knew how to really stick a knife in and twist it when he
wanted to cause mayhem, unlike Timmy, who seems to stumble over his own
(s?)words instead of causing real damage.


--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

On Oct 5, 5:36*pm, watersprite
wrote:
Hello Jay, you wrote:
Remember when you could go to RBP and...

Yes, I remember, and I'm sad to see how RBP has pretty much faded
away. *As the few of us reading this know, some of us do still show
symptoms of terminal optimism and pop in now and again; just to see
if something interesting is happening.

Aside from the very occasional flame war, RBP was always one of the
more enjoyable and informative paddling discussion groups around
(amongst newsgroups, email lists, and website message boards). *By
the way, has anyone seen any new stories from Ken Strickland? *I miss
those too, and I wonder how he's doing, and what he's up to.

--
Melissa

Rec.Boats Paddle posters are a cult; while not denying that the
Darlington School boys and over 200 other American children died in
terror and agony, being denied the proven means to get out of the
water and stay out, to live, like any two ten year old girls with 50
cent sponsons, enabling anyone without expensive and fraudulent
American Canoe Association instruction to get out of the deadly water
in 5 seconds: http://www.sponsonguy.com

Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly paddling
down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until they
down. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under
any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died
because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and
stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons.

Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe
rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is
pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.)
state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing"
canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency
sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters
will state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes
and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are
deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous
as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with
sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann
1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and
kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on
rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram
experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful,
even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for
the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social
psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of
university labs.

Tim Ingram

On Oct 5, 10:07*am, jaybird wrote:
Remember when you could go to RBP and find discussions on boats?
Remember when you could go to RBP and read funny stories from other
paddlers?
Remember when you could go to RBP might find something for sale you
were looking for?
Remember when you could go to RBP and swap put in and take out info as
well as water levels?
Remember when you could go to RBP and find intelligent comments about
paddling?
Remember when you could go to RBP and read about what other paddlers
were doing in the paddling world, like Dancewater, Mothra, and others?

Those were the days.

I paddle 65-70 days a year now and technique and good sense have kept
me from swimming. *I am a member of the ACA and the AWA but I never
remember accepting any money from them. *I follow their paddling
guidelines as a demonstration of responsible good sense.

People have the right to paddle the boat of their choice, in the
manner they wish, naked if they so choose. *That is an expression of
part of the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights.

I have never seen a boat or gear manufacturer attack paddlers for not
purchasing their products. *I have never seen a reputable supplier of
paddling gear insult and degrade other paddlers for choosing to
purchase alternate equipment. *I have never seen an outfitter display
what polite society would describe as irrational behaviour because
they chose to be outfitted by someone else.

The latest stream of garbage about sponsons is like selling ice cubes
to Eskimos. *Don't want 'em, don't need 'em. *And there were 39,800
traffic-related fatalities in the U.S. last year, not the twisted data
spewed just recently. *And they were happy with only the 39,800
fatalities because it was an 8% improvement over 2007. *We keep
driving cars, and we don't buy sponsons. *Obviously it isn't very busy
in sponson world because there is lots of time to cut and paste the
same old crap.

I promised myself I would ignore the continued spew of garbage, but my
wife told me to take the trash out....

Jay Hanks, President, Lansing Oar and Paddle Club
"all the rivers run to the ocean, and yet the ocean is not filled":
ECC 1:7

It is a shame that such a useful medium as Google Groups gets so badly
damaged by spam, this is what it is, just spam. Rec Sport Rowing gets
it's fair share of spam too but it's the more traditional viagra /
insurance / job offer type stuff. Still annoying but at least there
are still excellent posts on it. There are people that I would
describe as "passionate" but as a rule there aren't people just out to
spoil the function of the group.

I take it there is no moderator that can deal with this issue.

Roger
www.virginiarowing.com
Edon Recreational Rowing Boats.

On Oct 6, 7:03*am, wrote:
On Oct 5, 10:07*am, jaybird wrote:





Remember when you could go to RBP and find discussions on boats?
Remember when you could go to RBP and read funny stories from other
paddlers?
Remember when you could go to RBP might find something for sale you
were looking for?
Remember when you could go to RBP and swap put in and take out info as
well as water levels?
Remember when you could go to RBP and find intelligent comments about
paddling?
Remember when you could go to RBP and read about what other paddlers
were doing in the paddling world, like Dancewater, Mothra, and others?

Those were the days.

I paddle 65-70 days a year now and technique and good sense have kept
me from swimming. *I am a member of the ACA and the AWA but I never
remember accepting any money from them. *I follow their paddling
guidelines as a demonstration of responsible good sense.

People have the right to paddle the boat of their choice, in the
manner they wish, naked if they so choose. *That is an expression of
part of the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights.

I have never seen a boat or gear manufacturer attack paddlers for not
purchasing their products. *I have never seen a reputable supplier of
paddling gear insult and degrade other paddlers for choosing to
purchase alternate equipment. *I have never seen an outfitter display
what polite society would describe as irrational behaviour because
they chose to be outfitted by someone else.

The latest stream of garbage about sponsons is like selling ice cubes
to Eskimos. *Don't want 'em, don't need 'em. *And there were 39,800
traffic-related fatalities in the U.S. last year, not the twisted data
spewed just recently. *And they were happy with only the 39,800
fatalities because it was an 8% improvement over 2007. *We keep
driving cars, and we don't buy sponsons. *Obviously it isn't very busy
in sponson world because there is lots of time to cut and paste the
same old crap.

I promised myself I would ignore the continued spew of garbage, but my
wife told me to take the trash out....

Jay Hanks, President, Lansing Oar and Paddle Club
"all the rivers run to the ocean, and yet the ocean is not filled":
ECC 1:7

It is a shame that such a useful medium as Google Groups gets so badly
damaged by spam, this is what it is, just spam. Rec Sport Rowing gets
it's fair share of spam too but it's the more traditional viagra /
insurance / job offer type stuff. Still annoying but at least there
are still excellent posts on it. There are people that I would
describe as "passionate" but as a rule there aren't people just out to
spoil the function of the group.

I take it there is no moderator that can deal with this issue.

Rogerwww.virginiarowing.com
Edon Recreational Rowing Boats.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Rec.Boats Paddle posters are a cult; while not denying that the
Darlington School boys and over 200 other American children died in
terror and agony, being denied the proven means to get out of the
water and stay out, to live, like any two ten year old girls with 50
cent sponsons, enabling anyone without expensive and fraudulent
American Canoe Association instruction to get out of the deadly water
in 5 seconds: http://www.sponsonguy.com

Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly paddling
down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until they
down. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under
any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died
because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and
stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons.

Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe
rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is
pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.)
state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing"
canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency
sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters
will state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes
and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are
deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous
as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with
sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann
1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and
kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on
rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram
experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful,
even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for
the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social
psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of
university labs.

Tim Ingram

wrote:
On Oct 5, 10:07 am, jaybird wrote:
Remember when you could go to RBP and find discussions on boats?
Remember when you could go to RBP and read funny stories from other
paddlers?
Remember when you could go to RBP might find something for sale you
were looking for?
Remember when you could go to RBP and swap put in and take out info as
well as water levels?
Remember when you could go to RBP and find intelligent comments about
paddling?
Remember when you could go to RBP and read about what other paddlers
were doing in the paddling world, like Dancewater, Mothra, and others?

Those were the days.

I paddle 65-70 days a year now and technique and good sense have kept
me from swimming. I am a member of the ACA and the AWA but I never
remember accepting any money from them. I follow their paddling
guidelines as a demonstration of responsible good sense.

People have the right to paddle the boat of their choice, in the
manner they wish, naked if they so choose. That is an expression of
part of the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights.

I have never seen a boat or gear manufacturer attack paddlers for not
purchasing their products. I have never seen a reputable supplier of
paddling gear insult and degrade other paddlers for choosing to
purchase alternate equipment. I have never seen an outfitter display
what polite society would describe as irrational behaviour because
they chose to be outfitted by someone else.

The latest stream of garbage about sponsons is like selling ice cubes
to Eskimos. Don't want 'em, don't need 'em. And there were 39,800
traffic-related fatalities in the U.S. last year, not the twisted data
spewed just recently. And they were happy with only the 39,800
fatalities because it was an 8% improvement over 2007. We keep
driving cars, and we don't buy sponsons. Obviously it isn't very busy
in sponson world because there is lots of time to cut and paste the
same old crap.

I promised myself I would ignore the continued spew of garbage, but my
wife told me to take the trash out....

Jay Hanks, President, Lansing Oar and Paddle Club
"all the rivers run to the ocean, and yet the ocean is not filled":
ECC 1:7

It is a shame that such a useful medium as Google Groups gets so badly
damaged by spam, this is what it is, just spam. Rec Sport Rowing gets
it's fair share of spam too but it's the more traditional viagra /
insurance / job offer type stuff. Still annoying but at least there
are still excellent posts on it. There are people that I would
describe as "passionate" but as a rule there aren't people just out to
spoil the function of the group.

I take it there is no moderator that can deal with this issue.

Roger
www.virginiarowing.com
Edon Recreational Rowing Boats.

Actually, Roger, there is no such thing as a Google groups medium. There
is usenet, which has been around for several decades, and which is the
"medium" that rec.boats.paddle is a part of, and then there is a website
called Google.groups, that just happens to have been in existence for a
couple of years, which catalogs some of the usenet newsgroups and stores
the messages on them. Some of those newsgroups have stored messages that
are from way before Google Groups existed.

Although Google Groups does allow you a graphic interface to post
messages to usenet, it's not the same as usenet itself. There is no real
moderator on RBP, which is one of the main reasons who the group became
the barren wasteland that it is now. As for this braindamaged spammer
who has damaged this group beyond repair, he now has no audience left here.

Even though several old-time RBP'ers still peek from time to time to see
who will finally be the one to turn out the light, the RBP newsgroup
itself is basically dead.

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/