On 10/8/09 4:22 PM, Tosk wrote:
In , says...

H the K wrote:
On 10/8/09 1:15 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:59:42 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:

Let religion put up a
cross, menora, etc on public property. The people own the property.
How would you feel about Muslim or Rastafarian religious symbols in
your town square?

The problem is that once you start you can't say no to the next
group,
and you can't say no to bigger and better.

Since I am an semi agnostic married to a Catholic, I can accept all
religions putting up displays in the town square. I was married by a
Monsignor in a Catholic Church with a JW best man, and a Jewish usher.
Locally the Jewish community puts up a Menorah during their holidays,
and Christians put up Christmas Displays during their holidays, and we
have had different religions also. Seems to work fine. I believe
there
may be a higher power, but not sure what it is. May be the Flying
Spaghetti Monster.



Who gets to decide what symbol gets put up? You can say... oh, let the
locals decided, but how do you deal with the various minority views
that
are inevitable? It can't be a simple majority, because it's the
obligation of the majority to protect the rights of the minority. If
you
put a cross or spire, you're basically promoting a religion, which
without much of a stretch is prohibiting others from doing so. You're
taking sides. The simplest thing to do is to prohibit all symbols.

MINORITY VIEWS DON'T TRANSLATE TO MINORITY RIGHTS. HOW ARE MINORITY
RIGHTS
ANY DIFFERENT FROM MAJORITY RIGHTS. ANSWER THIS SWEETIE. HOW HAS
AFIRMATIVE ACTION AFFECTED THE WHITE MANS RIGHT TO COMPETE FOR A JOB.
You are so full of crap. Majority rules in the Supreme Court. Majority
voted in a president I didn't and don't want. Are there federal laws
prohibiting religeous symbols on private or public property? We let
Congress critters decide major issues by writing laws and voting on
them.
And guess what, majority rules. How well is that going for us? I suppose
that depends on who you ask.


I really don't like your condescending bs. Get a life. If you can't speak
without yelling or trying to put me "in my place," you have no
business in a
rational discussion. It's totally obnoxious.

The majority has the responsibility to protect the rights of the
minority.
If you don't believe that, then you're not much of an American.




Flajim's wife, if he has one, probably beats the crap out of him...thus,
he lashes out at...you.



**** off, Krause

Here is your answer son...

http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/

Then, filter, filter, filter...

if you need a free fast news server to go with that try

eternal-september.org

Both easy to set up. And you really won't miss the bozo's anyway. When
you get fed up with somebodys irrational name calling festivals, you hit
one button and don't see them anymore, it's easy.



Ooooooooh...flajim's wife *does* beat the crap out of him...
And here, "Em" beats the crap out of him.

Love it.




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Idiots All

H the K wrote:
On 10/8/09 4:22 PM, Tosk wrote:
In , says...

H the K wrote:
On 10/8/09 1:15 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
m...
wrote in message
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On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:59:42 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:

Let religion put up a
cross, menora, etc on public property. The people own the
property.
How would you feel about Muslim or Rastafarian religious
symbols in
your town square?

The problem is that once you start you can't say no to the next
group,
and you can't say no to bigger and better.

Since I am an semi agnostic married to a Catholic, I can accept all
religions putting up displays in the town square. I was married
by a
Monsignor in a Catholic Church with a JW best man, and a Jewish
usher.
Locally the Jewish community puts up a Menorah during their
holidays,
and Christians put up Christmas Displays during their holidays,
and we
have had different religions also. Seems to work fine. I believe
there
may be a higher power, but not sure what it is. May be the Flying
Spaghetti Monster.



Who gets to decide what symbol gets put up? You can say... oh,
let the
locals decided, but how do you deal with the various minority views
that
are inevitable? It can't be a simple majority, because it's the
obligation of the majority to protect the rights of the minority. If
you
put a cross or spire, you're basically promoting a religion, which
without much of a stretch is prohibiting others from doing so.
You're
taking sides. The simplest thing to do is to prohibit all symbols.

MINORITY VIEWS DON'T TRANSLATE TO MINORITY RIGHTS. HOW ARE MINORITY
RIGHTS
ANY DIFFERENT FROM MAJORITY RIGHTS. ANSWER THIS SWEETIE. HOW HAS
AFIRMATIVE ACTION AFFECTED THE WHITE MANS RIGHT TO COMPETE FOR A JOB.
You are so full of crap. Majority rules in the Supreme Court.
Majority
voted in a president I didn't and don't want. Are there federal laws
prohibiting religeous symbols on private or public property? We let
Congress critters decide major issues by writing laws and voting on
them.
And guess what, majority rules. How well is that going for us? I
suppose
that depends on who you ask.


I really don't like your condescending bs. Get a life. If you can't
speak
without yelling or trying to put me "in my place," you have no
business in a
rational discussion. It's totally obnoxious.

The majority has the responsibility to protect the rights of the
minority.
If you don't believe that, then you're not much of an American.




Flajim's wife, if he has one, probably beats the crap out of
him...thus,
he lashes out at...you.



**** off, Krause

Here is your answer son...

http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/

Then, filter, filter, filter...

if you need a free fast news server to go with that try

eternal-september.org

Both easy to set up. And you really won't miss the bozo's anyway. When
you get fed up with somebodys irrational name calling festivals, you hit
one button and don't see them anymore, it's easy.



Ooooooooh...flajim's wife *does* beat the crap out of him...
And here, "Em" beats the crap out of him.

Love it.




Think so WAFA. Funny coming from the "cella dwella".

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:26:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 8, 7:14*am, H the K wrote:
On 10/8/09 8:08 AM, Tim wrote:



On Oct 8, 6:49 am, H *wrote:
On 10/8/09 7:43 AM, H K wrote:

On 10/8/09 2:33 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
*wrote in message
news:Ee6dncFb4PIzHlDXnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@earthlin k.com...

*wrote in message
om...
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:59:42 -0700, "CalifBill"
*wrote:

Let religion put up a
cross, menora, etc on public property. The people own the property.

How would you feel about Muslim or Rastafarian religious symbols in
your town square?

The problem is that once you start you can't say no to the next group,
and you can't say no to bigger and better.

Since I am an semi agnostic married to a Catholic, I can accept all
religions putting up displays in the town square. I was married by a
Monsignor in a Catholic Church with a JW best man, and a Jewish usher.
Locally the Jewish community puts up a Menorah during their holidays,
and
Christians put up Christmas Displays during their holidays, and we have
had different religions also. Seems to work fine. I believe there may be
a higher power, but not sure what it is. May be the Flying Spaghetti
Monster.

Who gets to decide what symbol gets put up? You can say... oh, let the
locals decided, but how do you deal with the various minority views
that are
inevitable? It can't be a simple majority, because it's the obligation of
the majority to protect the rights of the minority. If you put a cross or
spire, you're basically promoting a religion, which without much of a
stretch is prohibiting others from doing so. You're taking sides. The
simplest thing to do is to prohibit all symbols.

I think extreme vigilance is necessary to make sure the religious right
doesn't turn this country into the christian theocracy it so fervently
wants.

This is what the religious righties want:

http://tinyurl.com/ybwkffz

Really? Is that what I want? Harry, I'm glad you know more about what
I want than I do.

Somebody needs to.

I read your AOL emails... * * :)

Actually, Tim, you're about the only "religious" rightie here whose
opinions I respect. Go figure.

--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

Thanks Harry.

?;^ )

Just don't ever get on his bad side.

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:07:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"CalifBill" wrote in message
om...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"CalifBill" wrote in message
m...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:59:42 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:

Let religion put up a
cross, menora, etc on public property. The people own the property.

How would you feel about Muslim or Rastafarian religious symbols in
your town square?

The problem is that once you start you can't say no to the next group,
and you can't say no to bigger and better.


Since I am an semi agnostic married to a Catholic, I can accept all
religions putting up displays in the town square. I was married by a
Monsignor in a Catholic Church with a JW best man, and a Jewish usher.
Locally the Jewish community puts up a Menorah during their holidays,
and Christians put up Christmas Displays during their holidays, and we
have had different religions also. Seems to work fine. I believe there
may be a higher power, but not sure what it is. May be the Flying
Spaghetti Monster.



Who gets to decide what symbol gets put up? You can say... oh, let the
locals decided, but how do you deal with the various minority views that
are inevitable? It can't be a simple majority, because it's the
obligation of the majority to protect the rights of the minority. If you
put a cross or spire, you're basically promoting a religion, which
without much of a stretch is prohibiting others from doing so. You're
taking sides. The simplest thing to do is to prohibit all symbols.

--
Nom=de=Plume


You have an established religion, put up your symbols for your holiday.
Simple. Does not matter what religion. As long as it gets a religious
tax ID, go for it. The people own the public lands, not the government!
We own the government. Does not seem that way these days, but maybe if we
get serious and vote out those owned by lobbiests, we will get OUR
governments back.

An established religion? A tax ID? Sounds like it's government promoting
religion by giving tax breaks and determining who can and can't claim to be
part of a religious order.

I'm not in favor of any tax breaks for religions. If they can stand on their
own, fine. If not, too bad.

Actually, Em, your attitude is not too far removed from the concerns
that Thomas Jefferson and James Madison had about government
sponsorship of particular Christian denominations in the granting of
subsidies. This is what lead to the Statute of Virginia for religious
freedom which was authored by Jefferson and was the precurser to the
Constitutional Amendment.

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John H Rant wrote:
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:26:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 8, 7:14 am, H the K wrote:
On 10/8/09 8:08 AM, Tim wrote:



On Oct 8, 6:49 am, H wrote:
On 10/8/09 7:43 AM, H K wrote:
On 10/8/09 2:33 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
m...
wrote in message
...
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:59:42 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:
Let religion put up a
cross, menora, etc on public property. The people own the property.
How would you feel about Muslim or Rastafarian religious symbols in
your town square?
The problem is that once you start you can't say no to the next group,
and you can't say no to bigger and better.
Since I am an semi agnostic married to a Catholic, I can accept all
religions putting up displays in the town square. I was married by a
Monsignor in a Catholic Church with a JW best man, and a Jewish usher.
Locally the Jewish community puts up a Menorah during their holidays,
and
Christians put up Christmas Displays during their holidays, and we have
had different religions also. Seems to work fine. I believe there may be
a higher power, but not sure what it is. May be the Flying Spaghetti
Monster.
Who gets to decide what symbol gets put up? You can say... oh, let the
locals decided, but how do you deal with the various minority views
that are
inevitable? It can't be a simple majority, because it's the obligation of
the majority to protect the rights of the minority. If you put a cross or
spire, you're basically promoting a religion, which without much of a
stretch is prohibiting others from doing so. You're taking sides. The
simplest thing to do is to prohibit all symbols.
I think extreme vigilance is necessary to make sure the religious right
doesn't turn this country into the christian theocracy it so fervently
wants.
This is what the religious righties want:
http://tinyurl.com/ybwkffz
Really? Is that what I want? Harry, I'm glad you know more about what
I want than I do.
Somebody needs to.
I read your AOL emails... :)

Actually, Tim, you're about the only "religious" rightie here whose
opinions I respect. Go figure.

--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All
Thanks Harry.

?;^ )

Just don't ever get on his bad side.

And if he offers you a ride in his parker, you might want to consider
it. You'd be doing him a humongous favor.

"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:07:07 -0700, nom=de=plume wrote:


An established religion? A tax ID? Sounds like it's government promoting
religion by giving tax breaks and determining who can and can't claim to
be part of a religious order.

I'm not in favor of any tax breaks for religions. If they can stand on
their own, fine. If not, too bad.

That will open it's own can of worms, and how does that fit with the
First Amendment's "the free exercise thereof"?

It does not conflict at all. Just says you really are a religion.

"Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

H the K wrote:
On 10/8/09 1:15 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
m...
wrote in message
...
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:59:42 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:

Let religion put up a
cross, menora, etc on public property. The people own the
property.
How would you feel about Muslim or Rastafarian religious symbols
in
your town square?

The problem is that once you start you can't say no to the next
group,
and you can't say no to bigger and better.

Since I am an semi agnostic married to a Catholic, I can accept all
religions putting up displays in the town square. I was married by
a
Monsignor in a Catholic Church with a JW best man, and a Jewish
usher.
Locally the Jewish community puts up a Menorah during their
holidays,
and Christians put up Christmas Displays during their holidays, and
we
have had different religions also. Seems to work fine. I believe
there
may be a higher power, but not sure what it is. May be the Flying
Spaghetti Monster.



Who gets to decide what symbol gets put up? You can say... oh, let
the
locals decided, but how do you deal with the various minority views
that
are inevitable? It can't be a simple majority, because it's the
obligation of the majority to protect the rights of the minority. If
you
put a cross or spire, you're basically promoting a religion, which
without much of a stretch is prohibiting others from doing so.
You're
taking sides. The simplest thing to do is to prohibit all symbols.

MINORITY VIEWS DON'T TRANSLATE TO MINORITY RIGHTS. HOW ARE MINORITY
RIGHTS
ANY DIFFERENT FROM MAJORITY RIGHTS. ANSWER THIS SWEETIE. HOW HAS
AFIRMATIVE ACTION AFFECTED THE WHITE MANS RIGHT TO COMPETE FOR A JOB.
You are so full of crap. Majority rules in the Supreme Court.
Majority
voted in a president I didn't and don't want. Are there federal laws
prohibiting religeous symbols on private or public property? We let
Congress critters decide major issues by writing laws and voting on
them.
And guess what, majority rules. How well is that going for us? I
suppose
that depends on who you ask.


I really don't like your condescending bs. Get a life. If you can't
speak
without yelling or trying to put me "in my place," you have no
business in a
rational discussion. It's totally obnoxious.

The majority has the responsibility to protect the rights of the
minority.
If you don't believe that, then you're not much of an American.




Flajim's wife, if he has one, probably beats the crap out of
him...thus,
he lashes out at...you.



**** off, Krause

Here is your answer son...

http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/

Then, filter, filter, filter...

if you need a free fast news server to go with that try

eternal-september.org

Both easy to set up. And you really won't miss the bozo's anyway. When
you get fed up with somebodys irrational name calling festivals, you hit
one button and don't see them anymore, it's easy.


I strongly suggest you plonk me. Please.


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"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:07:07 -0700, nom=de=plume wrote:


An established religion? A tax ID? Sounds like it's government promoting
religion by giving tax breaks and determining who can and can't claim to
be part of a religious order.

I'm not in favor of any tax breaks for religions. If they can stand on
their own, fine. If not, too bad.

That will open it's own can of worms, and how does that fit with the
First Amendment's "the free exercise thereof"?


Not sure I follow... I don't think any religious organization should be tax
exempt. Did you think I wrote something else?

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wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:07:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"CalifBill" wrote in message
news:PoqdnbCgSJ_Du1PXnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@earthlink. com...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"CalifBill" wrote in message
m...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:59:42 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:

Let religion put up a
cross, menora, etc on public property. The people own the property.

How would you feel about Muslim or Rastafarian religious symbols in
your town square?

The problem is that once you start you can't say no to the next
group,
and you can't say no to bigger and better.


Since I am an semi agnostic married to a Catholic, I can accept all
religions putting up displays in the town square. I was married by a
Monsignor in a Catholic Church with a JW best man, and a Jewish usher.
Locally the Jewish community puts up a Menorah during their holidays,
and Christians put up Christmas Displays during their holidays, and we
have had different religions also. Seems to work fine. I believe
there
may be a higher power, but not sure what it is. May be the Flying
Spaghetti Monster.



Who gets to decide what symbol gets put up? You can say... oh, let the
locals decided, but how do you deal with the various minority views
that
are inevitable? It can't be a simple majority, because it's the
obligation of the majority to protect the rights of the minority. If
you
put a cross or spire, you're basically promoting a religion, which
without much of a stretch is prohibiting others from doing so. You're
taking sides. The simplest thing to do is to prohibit all symbols.

--
Nom=de=Plume


You have an established religion, put up your symbols for your holiday.
Simple. Does not matter what religion. As long as it gets a religious
tax ID, go for it. The people own the public lands, not the government!
We own the government. Does not seem that way these days, but maybe if
we
get serious and vote out those owned by lobbiests, we will get OUR
governments back.

An established religion? A tax ID? Sounds like it's government promoting
religion by giving tax breaks and determining who can and can't claim to
be
part of a religious order.

I'm not in favor of any tax breaks for religions. If they can stand on
their
own, fine. If not, too bad.

Actually, Em, your attitude is not too far removed from the concerns
that Thomas Jefferson and James Madison had about government
sponsorship of particular Christian denominations in the granting of
subsidies. This is what lead to the Statute of Virginia for religious
freedom which was authored by Jefferson and was the precurser to the
Constitutional Amendment.


Nice crowd to be part of... It just urks me that (for example) the Catholic
Church can own whole swaths of buildings, and they don't have to pay a dime
in tax.

--
Nom=de=Plume

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:07:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"CalifBill" wrote in message
news:PoqdnbCgSJ_Du1PXnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@earthlink .com...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"CalifBill" wrote in message
m...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:59:42 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:

Let religion put up a
cross, menora, etc on public property. The people own the property.

How would you feel about Muslim or Rastafarian religious symbols in
your town square?

The problem is that once you start you can't say no to the next
group,
and you can't say no to bigger and better.


Since I am an semi agnostic married to a Catholic, I can accept all
religions putting up displays in the town square. I was married by a
Monsignor in a Catholic Church with a JW best man, and a Jewish
usher.
Locally the Jewish community puts up a Menorah during their holidays,
and Christians put up Christmas Displays during their holidays, and
we
have had different religions also. Seems to work fine. I believe
there
may be a higher power, but not sure what it is. May be the Flying
Spaghetti Monster.



Who gets to decide what symbol gets put up? You can say... oh, let the
locals decided, but how do you deal with the various minority views
that
are inevitable? It can't be a simple majority, because it's the
obligation of the majority to protect the rights of the minority. If
you
put a cross or spire, you're basically promoting a religion, which
without much of a stretch is prohibiting others from doing so. You're
taking sides. The simplest thing to do is to prohibit all symbols.

--
Nom=de=Plume


You have an established religion, put up your symbols for your holiday.
Simple. Does not matter what religion. As long as it gets a religious
tax ID, go for it. The people own the public lands, not the
government!
We own the government. Does not seem that way these days, but maybe if
we
get serious and vote out those owned by lobbiests, we will get OUR
governments back.

An established religion? A tax ID? Sounds like it's government promoting
religion by giving tax breaks and determining who can and can't claim to
be
part of a religious order.

I'm not in favor of any tax breaks for religions. If they can stand on
their
own, fine. If not, too bad.

Actually, Em, your attitude is not too far removed from the concerns
that Thomas Jefferson and James Madison had about government
sponsorship of particular Christian denominations in the granting of
subsidies. This is what lead to the Statute of Virginia for religious
freedom which was authored by Jefferson and was the precurser to the
Constitutional Amendment.


Nice crowd to be part of... It just urks me that (for example) the
Catholic Church can own whole swaths of buildings, and they don't have to
pay a dime in tax.

--
Nom=de=Plume


But they do charitable work.