On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:20:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:46:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

That's one reason why evolution is taught and maintained over
creationism in public schools.

Evolution is science, subject to the usual standards of evidence,
experimental proof and peer review.

Creationism is a faith based belief system that can neither be proved
or disproved, just like any other faith based belief.

Why should public school students be subjected to the faith based
beliefs of others?

Why should students not be told of the beliefs of others?

None of the famous scientists have explained why only one species has
the ability to reason. Please don't compare porpoises to man.

And, you of all people should not be getting into these discussions!

Are we going to see 'WayneRant' next?
--
John H

All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

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says...

On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:51:02 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:36:32 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

The list of luminary thinkers
coming out of Jesuit institutions fills volumes of history and
includes Galileo, Descartes and Mersenne. There are many excellent
histories of that time, which show that much could be said about
nature without causing the religious authorities to get too bothered.

For an intersting perspective on Galileo, science and the church, take
a few minutes and watch this video:

http://www.learner.org/vod/vod_window.html?pid=551

For full screen video, right click the image and select: zoom full
screen.

Very well done. Even some boating related material in there!

Watching the rest of them will keep me off the streets. But you know
what, they didn't answer the airplane question, if it wasn't Jim,
Susan, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, then who built the damn
airplane?

My great, great, great, er, uh, great uncles Orville and Wilbur... uh,
really, not a lobsta' boat thing...

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says...

On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:46:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

That's one reason why evolution is taught and maintained over
creationism in public schools.

Evolution is science, subject to the usual standards of evidence,
experimental proof and peer review.

Creationism is a faith based belief system that can neither be proved
or disproved, just like any other faith based belief.

Why should public school students be subjected to the faith based
beliefs of others?

My kid gets global taxing (warming) stuff at school all the time...

On 10/4/09 8:26 PM, tiny wrote:


My great, great, great, er, uh, great uncles Orville and Wilbur... uh,
really, not a lobsta' boat thing...



If you can recall a great, great, great uncle, he probably was a street
sweeper. There's no evidence of marketable skills in your bloodline.

--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:36:03 -0400, JohnRant
wrote:

Why should public school students be subjected to the faith based
beliefs of others?

Why should students not be told of the beliefs of others?

That's fine if you're teaching a course on religion, not so fine if
you're teaching a course called science.

On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:09:17 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:36:03 -0400, JohnRant
wrote:

Why should public school students be subjected to the faith based
beliefs of others?

Why should students not be told of the beliefs of others?

That's fine if you're teaching a course on religion, not so fine if
you're teaching a course called science.

There's nothing wrong with mentioning the controversy in a science
class.
--
John H

All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

On Oct 4, 5:36*pm, JohnRant wrote:

Why should students not be told of the beliefs of others?

None of the famous scientists have explained why only one species has
the ability to reason. Please don't compare porpoises to man.

sure they have. check out the concept of 'spandrel' that stephen jay
gould and other developed...

On Oct 5, 5:57*am, JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:09:17 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:36:03 -0400, JohnRant
wrote:

Why should public school students be subjected to the faith based
beliefs of others?

Why should students not be told of the beliefs of others?

That's fine if you're teaching a course on religion, not so fine if
you're teaching a course called science.

There's nothing wrong with mentioning the controversy in a science
class.
--


there's no SCIENTIFIC controversy. the 'controversy' is EXCLUSIVELY
political and religious.

On 10/5/09 7:21 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Oct 5, 5:57 am, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:09:17 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:36:03 -0400, JohnRant
wrote:

Why should public school students be subjected to the faith based
beliefs of others?

Why should students not be told of the beliefs of others?

That's fine if you're teaching a course on religion, not so fine if
you're teaching a course called science.

There's nothing wrong with mentioning the controversy in a science
class.
--


there's no SCIENTIFIC controversy. the 'controversy' is EXCLUSIVELY
political and religious.


Precisely. There is no scientific basis or even theory for creationism.
There's nothing behind it but superstition and religious belief.
Creationism deserves no mention in modern science classes.

--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:57:35 -0400, JohnH
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:09:17 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:36:03 -0400, JohnRant
wrote:

Why should public school students be subjected to the faith based
beliefs of others?

Why should students not be told of the beliefs of others?

That's fine if you're teaching a course on religion, not so fine if
you're teaching a course called science.

There's nothing wrong with mentioning the controversy in a science
class.

We'll have to disagree on that. Once you accomodate the faith based
belief of your choice in science class, where do you stop? There are
quite a few different interpretations of the Book of Genesis, not to
mention all the other religions of the world. Science and the
scientific method are about provable facts. Everything else is
religion or philosophy.