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On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:14:34 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:14:30 -0400, Jim wrote:

You go girl.

I give up - I can't follow the thread anymore.

Damn... :)

Jim was just empowering me with self-esteem, as though I need it. :-)

Oh - look - Shiney object!!!


Ok, now I'm not following...

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On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:56:05 -0400, JohnRant
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The origins of man have not been proven. Until they are done so, there
is no harm in presenting what several billion (see, I fixed it)
believe, even if presented only as a belief without proof.

That's fine, just don't present it in a science class because there is
no science to it.

But you would teach evolution which has about as much science behind it
as global taxing...

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On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:43:26 -0500, thunder
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On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:33:59 -0400, JohnH wrote:


Isn't it strange that this mental development happened to only one of
the animals that lived over those hundreds of thousands of years?

Did it? Or are we just now understanding animal development? Hell, even
the lowly crow has been witnessed problem solving and using tools. And
language? Many, many, species communicate both verbally and physically.

Tell me when one of them develops and produces something to increase
its food supply. Guano doesn't count.

I'm not going to argue with your idea that other animals have the
mental reasoning capacity as human. If you believe so, fine. I *will*
agree that some humans seem to have the reasoning capacity of slugs.

We have a couple right here.
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John H

All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

Ants farm. Bring in grass and leaves that symbiotic bacteria grow on,
giving the ants the final food product.

Do they understand the process or is it just instinct?

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:28:09 -0500, thunder
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On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:45:57 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:


Perhaps, if you include all creationist theories, not just the Christian
one, the Greek Chaos, etc. If you limit yourself to one creation
theory, you run right into the establishment clause of the First
Amendment.

Ok - fair enough. Let's take a hypothetical journey.

You're a Middle School science teacher and as part of the biology
section you teach the section on evolution. Two students, solid A honor
roll types tell you that they believe in the New Earth model as part of
their religious upbringing - that it is a tenant of their belief system.

What do you do?

These things do get tricky, don't they? As a school teacher it would be
my job to teach evolution, not discourage their belief system. I would
continue to teach evolution, but, I can't see any positive results from
getting into a discussion of their religious tenants.

Reasonable approach, but it doesn't solve the problem. They believe
in something other than what is being taught. These are active and
engaged students and directly challenge your presentation with what
they believe to be true.

What do you do?

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On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:43:26 -0500, thunder
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On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:33:59 -0400, JohnH wrote:


Isn't it strange that this mental development happened to only one of
the animals that lived over those hundreds of thousands of years?

Did it? Or are we just now understanding animal development? Hell,
even
the lowly crow has been witnessed problem solving and using tools. And
language? Many, many, species communicate both verbally and
physically.

Tell me when one of them develops and produces something to increase
its food supply. Guano doesn't count.

I'm not going to argue with your idea that other animals have the
mental reasoning capacity as human. If you believe so, fine. I *will*
agree that some humans seem to have the reasoning capacity of slugs.

We have a couple right here.
--
John H

All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary
thinking.

Ants farm. Bring in grass and leaves that symbiotic bacteria grow on,
giving the ants the final food product.

Do they understand the process or is it just instinct?

Where did they get the instinct? Even humans have instincts. A baby will
normally not crawl across a clear panel between tables. Where did that
instinct come from. When we lived in trees, and learned not to fall out of
them?

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:45:57 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
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Ok - fair enough. Let's take a hypothetical journey.

You're a Middle School science teacher and as part of the biology
section you teach the section on evolution. Two students, solid A
honor roll types tell you that they believe in the New Earth model as
part of their religious upbringing - that it is a tenant of their
belief system.

What do you do?

I would point out that they are entitled to their belief system, as
are others who believe differently. I would also point out the
differences between a belief system and the scientific method.

Most of the problems arise when one group proclaims that their
particular belief system is the only one that should have standing,
demands that it be taught to everyone, and tries to influence
legistation and other governmental functions to that end.

The founding fathers of this country were very aware of this
phenomenon thanks to ongoing struggles with the Church of England over
the years, and that is why we have constitutional guarantees regarding
the separation of church and state. If you love this country, you
have to love the constitution also. They are inseparable but some
people just don't get it.

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On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:33:59 -0400, JohnH
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Isn't it strange that this mental development happened to only one of
the animals that lived over those hundreds of thousands of years?

Not to me. Standing upright and having an opposable thumb made humans
king of the hill. Then further natural selection developed further
mentality.
I suspect that if homo sapiens were wiped away, one of the other
primates would eventually evolve to take his place.
Just like Planet of the Apes.

You have got to be kidding us....

Either that, or God would take care of it.
What I find strange is that some people have boats, and others don't.

--Vic

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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:21:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim
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On Oct 5, 5:04*pm, Vic Smith wrote:

What I find strange is that some people have boats, and others don't.

I never thought of it that way, Vic.

i suppose I haven't evolved to higher intelligence.

Woe is me....

For a small fee I would be glad to provide you with the essential
inner knowledge to free your mind and increase your intelligence.
that's kind of like asking me to (ask my wife if I can) cut my hair..
I/she would be lost without it

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On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:45:57 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Ok - fair enough. Let's take a hypothetical journey.

You're a Middle School science teacher and as part of the biology
section you teach the section on evolution. Two students, solid A
honor roll types tell you that they believe in the New Earth model as
part of their religious upbringing - that it is a tenant of their
belief system.

What do you do?

I would point out that they are entitled to their belief system, as
are others who believe differently. I would also point out the
differences between a belief system and the scientific method.

Most of the problems arise when one group proclaims that their
particular belief system is the only one that should have standing,
demands that it be taught to everyone, and tries to influence
legistation and other governmental functions to that end.

The founding fathers of this country were very aware of this
phenomenon thanks to ongoing struggles with the Church of England over
the years, and that is why we have constitutional guarantees regarding
the separation of church and state. If you love this country, you
have to love the constitution also. They are inseparable but some
people just don't get it.



Thank you! Well said Wayne.

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On 10/6/09 10:02 PM, tiny wrote:
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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:21:22 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Oct 5, 5:04 pm, Vic wrote:

What I find strange is that some people have boats, and others don't.

I never thought of it that way, Vic.

i suppose I haven't evolved to higher intelligence.

Woe is me....

For a small fee I would be glad to provide you with the essential
inner knowledge to free your mind and increase your intelligence.
that's kind of like asking me to (ask my wife if I can) cut my hair..
I/she would be lost without it



Maybe washing it once a week would be enough for you.


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