On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:08:30 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:45:51 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
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On Oct 1, 9:00*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:28:21 -0700, "nom=de=plume"



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On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:09:30 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
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On Oct 1, 11:56 am, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:32:26 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

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On Oct 1, 10:27 am, Frogwatch wrote:
On Oct 1, 9:38 am, wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OndG4b5M-Q4

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That is impressive.

Watch animals who are good at climbing and you eventually get the
impression that their minds are wired diff. They do not have the fear
of falling we have although logic says they should. Clearly, this guy
has little fear of falling but I wonder how much he has practiced on
these particular rocks. Notice the white chalk on some of the blocks
indicating a lot of use by climbers.

Whether it's familiarity with the terrain, a natural talent, or a lot
of practice, I would have to concede that the backflip on the vertical
wall is unnatural. I would suspect that very few people would be able
to develop that type of skill.

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We should genetically engineer people to have grasping feet. *In fact,
I imagine that generations from now people who live in space will
develop such. *They will have little use for shoes and will need such
feet to keep from drifting around while they use their hands.

That reminds me of a science fiction novel I read years ago, "The Mote
in God's Eye," by David Niven and Jerry Pournelli. *It's been years
since I've read it; but, it seems to me that that in the novel the
human race encounters another life form that was similar to what
you've described.

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I vaguely remember reading this in college... can't remember it though.
Maybe I should get it from the library....

I think that was their first collaboration. *It was my favorite Sci-fi
novel until I read "Dune" by Frank Herbert.

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I didn't like that book... the movie was awful

Do you read Science Fiction, Miss De Plume? *I devoured science
fiction novels when I was young. *I haven't read a science fiction
novel in years, though. *The genre became too...commercial and
gratuitously salacious, as far as I was concerned. *The last good
novel I've read, recently, was actually a humorous work by Leornard
Wibberley, "The Mouse that Roared." *Dune was not a nascently
intellecutal book of the type you might find written by Stanislaw Lem,
Ursula Le Guin, or Phillip K. Dick. *But, Herbert wove a wonderful
tapestry of story, future, distant shores, culture, intrigue and
memorable characters that spawned at least two movies. *I thought the
work was incomparably imaginative. *I have read other works since,
though.

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Yes, I do remember the "Mote in God's Eye". About a race that could
not practice birth control so their civilization kept ending in
extreme overpopulation. I forget how the problem was solved.

I was a teenager when I read the book, and I remember so little about
it. What you described evoked memories of the alien race in that
book. I came across a copy of the book a couple of years ago at a
yard sale. I purchased it to read again, and I started to do that
last winter. For some reason I never got beyond the first few pages.
(I've got too many books going at the same time right now.) All of
this has me reminsicing about favorite books, though. The "High
Crusade" by Poul Anderson was a lighthearted read, and Le Guin's "The
Left Hand of Darkness" was a thought-provoking work. Then there was
"The Forever War"...

You need to read "Old Man's War" by John Scalzi and his companion
works "Ghost Brigades" and "Zoe's War".

On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:47:23 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

snipped for the mere exercise

Yes, I do remember the "Mote in God's Eye". About a race that could
not practice birth control so their civilization kept ending in
extreme overpopulation. I forget how the problem was solved.

I was a teenager when I read the book, and I remember so little about
it. What you described evoked memories of the alien race in that
book. I came across a copy of the book a couple of years ago at a
yard sale. I purchased it to read again, and I started to do that
last winter. For some reason I never got beyond the first few pages.
(I've got too many books going at the same time right now.) All of
this has me reminsicing about favorite books, though. The "High
Crusade" by Poul Anderson was a lighthearted read, and Le Guin's "The
Left Hand of Darkness" was a thought-provoking work. Then there was
"The Forever War"...

You need to read "Old Man's War" by John Scalzi and his companion
works "Ghost Brigades" and "Zoe's War".

Is there a reason why, Tom? I really gave up on Sci-fi years ago. And
my reading list is overwhelming as it is. And I have opened
concurrently; "Hypatia of Alexandria," "World Masterpieces since the
Renaissance," and "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of
Crowds." I have never been an organized reader.

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On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 03:20:59 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:47:23 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

snipped for the mere exercise

Yes, I do remember the "Mote in God's Eye". About a race that could
not practice birth control so their civilization kept ending in
extreme overpopulation. I forget how the problem was solved.

I was a teenager when I read the book, and I remember so little about
it. What you described evoked memories of the alien race in that
book. I came across a copy of the book a couple of years ago at a
yard sale. I purchased it to read again, and I started to do that
last winter. For some reason I never got beyond the first few pages.
(I've got too many books going at the same time right now.) All of
this has me reminsicing about favorite books, though. The "High
Crusade" by Poul Anderson was a lighthearted read, and Le Guin's "The
Left Hand of Darkness" was a thought-provoking work. Then there was
"The Forever War"...

You need to read "Old Man's War" by John Scalzi and his companion
works "Ghost Brigades" and "Zoe's War".

Is there a reason why, Tom? I really gave up on Sci-fi years ago. And
my reading list is overwhelming as it is. And I have opened
concurrently; "Hypatia of Alexandria," "World Masterpieces since the
Renaissance," and "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of
Crowds."

Ah - so you really ARE Harry. Had me fooled there for a while. :)

Yeah - it's the anti-"Forever War". :)

If you are in a non-fiction muse, I got a couple of recommendations
for you then - "Born to Run" by Christopher McDougall.

http://www.amazon.com/Born-Run-Hidde...4477536&sr=1-1

I've Got Things To Do With My Life: Pat Tillman by Mike Towle

http://www.amazon.com/Ive-Got-Things...4477609&sr=1-1

I have some others in case you are interested.

On 10/2/09 4:20 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:47:23 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

snipped for the mere exercise

Yes, I do remember the "Mote in God's Eye". About a race that could
not practice birth control so their civilization kept ending in
extreme overpopulation. I forget how the problem was solved.

I was a teenager when I read the book, and I remember so little about
it. What you described evoked memories of the alien race in that
book. I came across a copy of the book a couple of years ago at a
yard sale. I purchased it to read again, and I started to do that
last winter. For some reason I never got beyond the first few pages.
(I've got too many books going at the same time right now.) All of
this has me reminsicing about favorite books, though. The "High
Crusade" by Poul Anderson was a lighthearted read, and Le Guin's "The
Left Hand of Darkness" was a thought-provoking work. Then there was
"The Forever War"...

You need to read "Old Man's War" by John Scalzi and his companion
works "Ghost Brigades" and "Zoe's War".

Is there a reason why, Tom? I really gave up on Sci-fi years ago. And
my reading list is overwhelming as it is. And I have opened
concurrently; "Hypatia of Alexandria," "World Masterpieces since the
Renaissance," and "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of
Crowds." I have never been an organized reader.



I gave up reading sci-fi for the most part in 1968, after seeing Clarke
and Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey. After seeing that, most sci-fi
novels seemed silly to me. I had grown up reading the masters of sci-fi
and their classics. But after 2001, all I could do was giggle my way
though the few remaining sci-fi books I read. I did like Contact,
though, and a couple of others.





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On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 06:54:04 -0400, H the K
wrote:

On 10/2/09 4:20 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:47:23 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

snipped for the mere exercise

Yes, I do remember the "Mote in God's Eye". About a race that could
not practice birth control so their civilization kept ending in
extreme overpopulation. I forget how the problem was solved.

I was a teenager when I read the book, and I remember so little about
it. What you described evoked memories of the alien race in that
book. I came across a copy of the book a couple of years ago at a
yard sale. I purchased it to read again, and I started to do that
last winter. For some reason I never got beyond the first few pages.
(I've got too many books going at the same time right now.) All of
this has me reminsicing about favorite books, though. The "High
Crusade" by Poul Anderson was a lighthearted read, and Le Guin's "The
Left Hand of Darkness" was a thought-provoking work. Then there was
"The Forever War"...

You need to read "Old Man's War" by John Scalzi and his companion
works "Ghost Brigades" and "Zoe's War".

Is there a reason why, Tom? I really gave up on Sci-fi years ago. And
my reading list is overwhelming as it is. And I have opened
concurrently; "Hypatia of Alexandria," "World Masterpieces since the
Renaissance," and "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of
Crowds." I have never been an organized reader.



I gave up reading sci-fi for the most part in 1968, after seeing Clarke
and Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey. After seeing that, most sci-fi
novels seemed silly to me. I had grown up reading the masters of sci-fi
and their classics. But after 2001, all I could do was giggle my way
though the few remaining sci-fi books I read. I did like Contact,
though, and a couple of others.

It's been years since I've read a sci-fi novel. I think I gave up
reading sci-fi about the same time I gave up smoking Afghan Black. But
that's merely coincidental, right?

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On Oct 2, 3:20*am, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:47:23 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports

wrote:

snipped for the mere exercise





Yes, I do remember the "Mote in God's Eye". *About a race that could
not practice birth control so their civilization kept ending in
extreme overpopulation. *I forget how the problem was solved.

I was a teenager when I read the book, and I remember so little about
it. *What you described evoked memories of the alien race in that
book. *I came across a copy of the book a couple of years ago at a
yard sale. *I purchased it to read again, and I started to do that
last winter. *For some reason I never got beyond the first few pages.
(I've got too many books going at the same time right now.) * All of
this has me reminsicing about favorite books, though. *The "High
Crusade" by Poul Anderson was a lighthearted read, and Le Guin's "The
Left Hand of Darkness" was a thought-provoking work. *Then there was
"The Forever War"... *

You need to read "Old Man's War" by John Scalzi and his companion
works "Ghost Brigades" and "Zoe's War".

Is there a reason why, Tom? *I really gave up on Sci-fi years ago. And
my reading list is overwhelming as it is. * And I have opened
concurrently; "Hypatia of Alexandria," "World Masterpieces since the
Renaissance," and "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of
Crowds." *I have never been an organized reader.

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i gave up on Sci-fi when "Lost in Space" got canceled.

On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 05:52:26 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 2, 3:20*am, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:47:23 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports

wrote:

snipped for the mere exercise





Yes, I do remember the "Mote in God's Eye". *About a race that could
not practice birth control so their civilization kept ending in
extreme overpopulation. *I forget how the problem was solved.

I was a teenager when I read the book, and I remember so little about
it. *What you described evoked memories of the alien race in that
book. *I came across a copy of the book a couple of years ago at a
yard sale. *I purchased it to read again, and I started to do that
last winter. *For some reason I never got beyond the first few pages.
(I've got too many books going at the same time right now.) * All of
this has me reminsicing about favorite books, though. *The "High
Crusade" by Poul Anderson was a lighthearted read, and Le Guin's "The
Left Hand of Darkness" was a thought-provoking work. *Then there was
"The Forever War"... *

You need to read "Old Man's War" by John Scalzi and his companion
works "Ghost Brigades" and "Zoe's War".

Is there a reason why, Tom? *I really gave up on Sci-fi years ago. And
my reading list is overwhelming as it is. * And I have opened
concurrently; "Hypatia of Alexandria," "World Masterpieces since the
Renaissance," and "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of
Crowds." *I have never been an organized reader.

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i gave up on Sci-fi when "Lost in Space" got canceled.

LOL! They made a movie not too long ago, Tim, a great teaser to get
you back in. :)

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On 10/2/09 9:53 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 05:52:26 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Oct 2, 3:20 am, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:47:23 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports

wrote:

snipped for the mere exercise





Yes, I do remember the "Mote in God's Eye". About a race that could
not practice birth control so their civilization kept ending in
extreme overpopulation. I forget how the problem was solved.

I was a teenager when I read the book, and I remember so little about
it. What you described evoked memories of the alien race in that
book. I came across a copy of the book a couple of years ago at a
yard sale. I purchased it to read again, and I started to do that
last winter. For some reason I never got beyond the first few pages.
(I've got too many books going at the same time right now.) All of
this has me reminsicing about favorite books, though. The "High
Crusade" by Poul Anderson was a lighthearted read, and Le Guin's "The
Left Hand of Darkness" was a thought-provoking work. Then there was
"The Forever War"...

You need to read "Old Man's War" by John Scalzi and his companion
works "Ghost Brigades" and "Zoe's War".

Is there a reason why, Tom? I really gave up on Sci-fi years ago. And
my reading list is overwhelming as it is. And I have opened
concurrently; "Hypatia of Alexandria," "World Masterpieces since the
Renaissance," and "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of
Crowds." I have never been an organized reader.

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i gave up on Sci-fi when "Lost in Space" got canceled.

LOL! They made a movie not too long ago, Tim, a great teaser to get
you back in. :)



We still have American Pie:

Oh, and there we were all in one place,
*A generation lost in space*
With no time left to start again.
So come on: jack be nimble, jack be quick!
Jack flash sat on a candlestick
Cause fire is the devil's only friend.

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In article eab6dc58-7fff-4ef6-9c70-db2c8d8df988
@r36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com, says...

On Oct 2, 3:20*am, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:47:23 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports

wrote:

snipped for the mere exercise





Yes, I do remember the "Mote in God's Eye". *About a race that could
not practice birth control so their civilization kept ending in
extreme overpopulation. *I forget how the problem was solved.

I was a teenager when I read the book, and I remember so little about
it. *What you described evoked memories of the alien race in that
book. *I came across a copy of the book a couple of years ago at a
yard sale. *I purchased it to read again, and I started to do that
last winter. *For some reason I never got beyond the first few pages.
(I've got too many books going at the same time right now.) * All of
this has me reminsicing about favorite books, though. *The "High
Crusade" by Poul Anderson was a lighthearted read, and Le Guin's "The
Left Hand of Darkness" was a thought-provoking work. *Then there was
"The Forever War"... *

You need to read "Old Man's War" by John Scalzi and his companion
works "Ghost Brigades" and "Zoe's War".

Is there a reason why, Tom? *I really gave up on Sci-fi years ago. And
my reading list is overwhelming as it is. * And I have opened
concurrently; "Hypatia of Alexandria," "World Masterpieces since the
Renaissance," and "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of
Crowds." *I have never been an organized reader.

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i gave up on Sci-fi when "Lost in Space" got canceled.

It got canceled???